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Title: Allen West - Too Extreme
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Published: Oct 21, 2010
Author: Ron Klein
Post Date: 2010-10-21 09:13:57 by Flintlock
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-10-21   20:00:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-10-21   20:01:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

one man can do a LOT of damage and get away to do some more.

Bingo, X-15. Men will always act like men, each in his individual way. Others, not so much.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-10-21   20:05:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

OK, it's quite obvious that you don't understand anything that I said.

Oh, I understand it. I simply disagree.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-10-21   20:07:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-10-21   20:08:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Frankly, I'm not sure it makes a huge difference since there will always be more than enough rah-rah gung-ho Rambo types like West, Tits, and McCucaracha to keep the horror scenario looming.

You forgot to mention "pills_boy_Limbaugh" ... another faux conservative.

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-10-21   20:12:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

No, your post clearly implies that you don't.

The tax post? It's elementary. The LESS money central government confiscates, the SMALLER it becomes. The SMALLER it becomes, the more your liberty will grow.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-10-21   20:18:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-10-21   20:21:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-10-21   20:22:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-10-21   20:24:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

ok, i understand and agree with pretty much everything you said except that the democrat politicians were fully aware of the agenda and were complicit. otherwise, why didn't they raise holy hell enmasse? the same argument could be said of legislation that the dems (when it's their turn) push through with hardly any opposition from the republicans. they take turns playing good guy/bad guy. that's the reason we need to get rid of the incumbents. that's got to begin somewhere. if it's a failure (i expect it will be), what have we lost by trying this cycle when so many are up?

christine  posted on  2010-10-21   20:25:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Pretty soon they won't have to pass legislation to take your money, they'll just steal it at "gunpoint."

Well I pray for that moment because then even the most tepid souls among us will fight.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-10-21   20:35:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Well I pray for that moment because then even the most tepid souls among us will fight.

Not LACUMO. His whole survival depends upon the federal government he spent his whole adult life working for. Food, housing, medicine. Instead of fighting he will be naming names to the government in order to ensure they continue taking care of him. It's all he knows.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone. - Zhuangzi

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-10-21   20:53:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

You still have never answered my question as to why the Germans c. 1940s didn't simply oust Hitler.

Ahhhhh.......maybe because they liked his pitch? Me? Had I been around in the late 30s, I would have stood with Charles Lindbergh and the American First Committee. I assume you would have too.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-10-21   20:57:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

You still have never answered my question as to why the Germans c. 1940s didn't simply oust Hitler.

Ahhhhh.......maybe because they liked his pitch? Me? Had I been around in the late 30s, I would have stood with Charles Lindbergh and the American First Committee. I assume you would have too.

The Germans did not attempt to oust Hitler for the same reason the Russians did not try to oust Stalin...IT IS CALLED THE RULE OF THE GUN...

Oust was NOT possible in either case by civil means, oust was possible only thru assassination.

Akin to 1940 and now. Americans were in love with Roosevelt, he was our savior...until the day he sprung the draft on us, then millions of people knew they had been swindled, that war was coming.

Which will come first now, war or the draft???? I put huge odds on a draft, then and only then will Americans wake the hell up.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-10-21   21:04:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I do NOT recall in my time a President that actually sought a smaller government. As for the most inept President, the laurels go to Obama, a man totally in over his head, made president solely because he is black.

Apparently Obama was happy with all that tyrannical stuff Bush got passed because he hasn't said anything about dispensing with any of it. Only things that have been dispensed with is the rule of law, American pride and place in the world. Now we have a dictator instead of a president. Make no mistake, when any man has the power to have another man arrested and put in prison indefinitely without a trial that is beyond the legitimate powers of the president.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-10-21   21:05:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Apparently Obama was happy with all that tyrannical stuff Bush got passed because he hasn't said anything about dispensing with any of it.

That is the same reason that if pubs take Congress, not a thing will change.

They will huff and puff and we will continue downhill into chaos.

This government is a runaway freight train with no brakes.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-10-21   21:10:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The Germans did not attempt to oust Hitler for the same reason the Russians did not try to oust Stalin...IT IS CALLED THE RULE OF THE GUN...

Thanks. So it's safe to say the very last thing we need is additional rounds of gun control here in the States.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-10-21   21:13:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

So it's safe to say the very last thing we need is additional rounds of gun control here in the States.

There will be more.

My Father was anti Roosevelt from day one. Few would discuss politics with him, until the draft and war came into being, then it was amazing how so many people had been anti Roosevelt from day one.

When their kids had to march off to war, they paid attention, but only after it was too late.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-10-21   21:17:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

If a politician takes a traditional stand on values and a constitutionalist position on the issues that face us without genuflecting to Israel, he will quickly find that there is no cash for "kooks" and "right wingers."

that is so true only it's not exclusive to rightwingers as far as Israel goes. i don't recall hearing any leftwingers/dems speaking out agains Israel either.

christine  posted on  2010-10-21   21:22:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

From Politico...

"On this day in 1940, President Franklin D. Roosevelt signed a selective service act that required men between the ages of 21 and 30 to register with their local draft boards. The legislation, which Congress had approved two days earlier, marked the first peacetime conscription in U.S. history."

My Grandfather was pro Roosevelt, until the age limit was raised to 65 and he had to register for the draft. He turned anti FDR that day.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-10-21   21:22:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The liberals just fear a strong black man.

"Fear of death is form of stasis horrors. The dead weight of time." - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2010-10-21   21:25:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

My Grandfather was pro Roosevelt, until the age limit was raised to 65

i didn't know the age limit was raised to 65. how many older men were actually drafted?

christine  posted on  2010-10-21   21:36:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

i didn't know the age limit was raised to 65. how many older men were actually drafted?

Men were drafted up to age 39 before the end of the war. I had two Uncles that were just shy of 39 that were drafted.

The age was raised to 65 for two reasons, flush out more bodies and if need be men would be drafted to work in factories. However so many women were willing to work that it did not become necessary. My Grandfather was born in 1878 and had to register

One could volunteer at 16. Some lied their age, the youngest being 12 years olde.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-10-21   21:46:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

FDR did a lot to promote a war didn't he? Do you remember his pervasive WAR POWERS ACT eliminating private sector controls by mandating authority to restrict goods and services and Census Suspension of revealing individual data?

These tyrants, once in POWER, do anything they want.

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-10-21   21:55:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Roosevelt did one great thing, that was to end child labor once and for all time, that was in 1938.

Prior to that the Supreme Court had ruled twice it was unconstitutional to forbid hiring of children.

So much for those learned bastards.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-10-21   22:12:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The liberals just fear a strong black man.

They fear an honest man who still believes in the Constitution.

WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)

Flintlock  posted on  2010-10-21   22:22:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Roosevelt did one great thing, that was to end child labor once and for all time, that was in 1938.

He more than made up for one good thing with tons of bad things.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-10-21   22:25:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

He more than made up for one good thing with tons of bad things.

That was the only good thing I could recall.

He had a young mistress, married, catholic, that lived in Virginia. He traveled by train and use to stop and see her when passing by.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-10-21   22:32:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Roosevelt did one great thing, that was to end child labor once and for all time, that was in 1938.

He did no such thing. He just spread the practice around the world.

What he did was create [within] the international global companies that have, from the USA, created child labor around the world. And contemporary politics in America further endorses the practice: the goal is cheap labour for capitalist PIGS, while enhancing a fine appearance about the USA, the land of opportunity and the home of the brave.

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-10-21   22:33:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I was thinking more about how the ol' commie bastard screwed the country, not so much about him running around on that hag he was married to.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-10-21   22:35:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-10-21   23:58:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-10-22   0:05:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

:P

Now you did it!

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-10-22   5:02:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Right, just like the Germans did.

And your underlying assumption that if they fight we'll win is seriously flawed. Against that kind of state millions would get wiped out and they would think nothing of it

No fight is guaranteed, but I think you’ll have a hard time selling citizen inactivity - related to fear - should the government confiscate our pay checks at gunpoint as you suggest in your #140. We're not the disarmed peoples of the former Third Reich. As for yourself, feel free to behave as you like in that, or any other situation this government places you in.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-10-22   5:08:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-10-22   9:51:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Again however JT, given your apparent hitting of a wall of some sort in terms of being able to process only x number of data points as it relates to this and thereby preventing you from seeing the greater point that I'm making

The wall I'm hitting is one of pomposity and political arrogance, built by a young man who admittedly has no answers to our nations problems. I wish you luck in your continuing search for the one, right answer.

Peace.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-10-22   10:06:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-10-22   10:12:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-10-22   10:50:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Well, the more heavily armed that they are, and we've seen the budget line items for weaponry for the IRS even,

i think there's one piece you're missing here, Eric, and that is the anti-gun left is doing its part to make sure that we-the-people are less armed.

christine  posted on  2010-10-22   11:33:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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