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Title: Allen West - Too Extreme
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Published: Oct 21, 2010
Author: Ron Klein
Post Date: 2010-10-21 09:13:57 by Flintlock
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#57. To: Flintlock (#49)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2010-10-21   11:08:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: ghostdogtxn (#53)

My son is 6. When he's 18, I don't want to worry about a draft to fight some misbegotten war in some oil-drenched desert because Israel can't get along with it's neighbors.

Do you think either of these Israel loving candidates is going to help keep my son out of that situation?

Now you have bared the heart of this tragedy, something many do not see UNTIL it is their son or other loved one drafted to fight someone elses war.

Having been thru that very doorway to hell, it is not nice, it is not patriotic, it not doing ones duty. It was a war in some place I had never heard of. I risked my worthless life time and again for something I had no interest in.

The "state" said go and go I did. Those that resisted, went in irons and chains, to do their patriotic duty, to bleed and die, FOR WHAT????

Cynicom  posted on  2010-10-21   11:12:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: Flintlock (#49)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2010-10-21   11:13:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: ghostdogtxn (#53)

Neither one of them is worth a good goddamn.

Yawn

West is a strong advocate of stopping illegal immigration, I'm sure that's the real reason you hate him.

But once again, you fail to see the big picture, I'm not surprised. I wonder how many of your precious wetback clients are behind bars because of your ineptitude?

keep up the good work, Abogado, keep up the good work.

My son is 6.

Who's the mother? A Mexican?

WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)

Flintlock  posted on  2010-10-21   11:15:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: ghostdogtxn (#56)

That's kinda the point.

Not at all.

When we are all in the same sinking boat, barking at each other and pointing fingers is NOT productive. It ticks people off. I prefer civil discourse.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-10-21   11:15:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: Eric Stratton, 4, *Dopey White Folk* (#55)

That's what JT and Flintlock are supporting!

Ah, no, I'm not supporting that, and at the risk of repeating myself x 100 times, foreign policy is going to be the SAME regardless of who you support. What you CAN CHANGE is domestic policy. I hope this helps, but you seem intent on badgering people until they agree with you. Good luck with that and I can assure you it won't work with me.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-10-21   11:16:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: ghostdogtxn (#57)

I'm a "traitor?"

What else do you call someone who gives aid and comfort to illegal aliens?

WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)

Flintlock  posted on  2010-10-21   11:16:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: Jethro Tull, All (#25)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-10-21   11:17:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: Jethro Tull (#25)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-10-21   11:18:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: Eric Stratton (#65)

I see little to argue over except the extents to which Zionism has ruined this nation, ... more than tax hikes.

Thats cutting right to the chase, we all need to remember that and use it to awaken Americans.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-10-21   11:20:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: randge (#54)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-10-21   11:22:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: Flintlock (#60)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2010-10-21   11:22:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: ghostdogtxn (#59)

I'm saying that West is a BAD candidate

I'm saying you're an idiot.

Anyone who calls the Fedgov "Tyrannical" is a good candidate

Anyone who tells citizens to "Arm Themselves Against The Federal Government" is a good candidate.

Anyone who wants to stop illegal immigration is a good candidate.

But that's your real beef with West isn't it, his stand on illegal immigration. Don't worry, we all know you're a wetback lover.

WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)

Flintlock  posted on  2010-10-21   11:23:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: ghostdogtxn (#68)

No, the real reason I don't like West is because he's a stated, open Ziobot.

That's not good. The zionists while limited numerically are the most vociferous and deadly parasite on earth !

"Politics and Religion are the building blocks of slavery and oppression. Greed is the mortar that bonds them" and bankers are the masons with trowels in hand !

noone222  posted on  2010-10-21   11:25:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: Jethro Tull (#62)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2010-10-21   11:25:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: Jethro Tull (#62) (Edited)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-10-21   11:26:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: Cynicom (#66)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-10-21   11:29:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: Flintlock (#69)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2010-10-21   11:30:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: Eric Stratton (#67)

But honestly, there should be no reason why anyone gets off the sofa for that.

Well, I voted early and voted for gridlock. I went to the polls partly because it just destroys my dear wife when I say, "It's no good; I'm done with it. The system is doomed, etc. I am finished with voting."

She gets all upset although she knows, and I think she understands why I feel the way I do. I think she is slowly coming around to an understanding of the seriousness of our current situation in this country.

So, I split my votes between Ls and Rs mostly, and I'm hoping for the most difficult of all possible outcomes for Zero to deal with when the new Congress is sworn in in January.

I would like to direct this to the distinguished members of the panel: You lousy cork-soakers. You have violated my farging rights. Dis somanumbatching country was founded so that the liberties of common patriotic citizens like me could not be taken away by a bunch of fargin iceholes... like yourselves. Thank you. - Roman Moroni

randge  posted on  2010-10-21   11:33:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: randge (#75)

So, I split my votes between Ls and Rs mostly, and I'm hoping for the most difficult of all possible outcomes for Zero to deal with when the new Congress is sworn in in January.

Damn.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-10-21   11:37:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: randge (#75)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-10-21   11:40:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: Cynicom, randge (#76)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-10-21   11:40:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: ghostdogtxn, Eric Stratton, (#74)

Sorry girls/comrades, I have to go. Unlike you two losers, I'm doing something to break the stranglehold Obama & Pelosi have on my (not your) country.

WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)

Flintlock  posted on  2010-10-21   11:42:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: Eric Stratton (#78)

Damn.

Now you got Cyni all worked up.

I am going to pay for this post, I know.

I would like to direct this to the distinguished members of the panel: You lousy cork-soakers. You have violated my farging rights. Dis somanumbatching country was founded so that the liberties of common patriotic citizens like me could not be taken away by a bunch of fargin iceholes... like yourselves. Thank you. - Roman Moroni

randge  posted on  2010-10-21   11:45:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: Cynicom (#52)

I could charge you with inciting to riot but will give you a pass this one time.

Your forbearance is humbling, Obi Wan.

TooConservative  posted on  2010-10-21   11:47:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: Eric Stratton (#73)

Point being, that tax cuts are moot.

Isn't that all just code for how much we're borrowing from China and how much we are devaluing the dollar (primarily to rob retirees)?

TooConservative  posted on  2010-10-21   11:49:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: randge (#75)

and I'm hoping for the most difficult of all possible outcomes for Zero to deal with when the new Congress is sworn in in January.

yeah, that's really about it except that i'm hoping for the disposal of a record number of incumbents.

christine  posted on  2010-10-21   11:49:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: randge, Eric Stratton (#80)

I am going to pay for this post, I know.

Eric...

I was thinking of taking randge to the woodshed for a polite conversation, however he is on the good guy list, so I am being patient and understanding.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-10-21   11:49:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: Flintlock (#79)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2010-10-21   11:51:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: christine (#83)

yeah, that's really about it except that i'm hoping for the disposal of a record number of incumbents.

Incumbents by 90 per cent or larger, a tenner bet???????????

Once the newbies are given a key to the mens room, they nearly all morph into lifetime professional politicians, EVEN RON PAUL IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE...

Death grip on the power of office.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-10-21   11:53:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: Eric Stratton, 4, christine (#64)

Klein may be a Zionist too, but I don't see the expenses for the wars being pushed nearly as hard from the left.

Yeah, lets bag this since nothing either of us will say is going to change minds or opinion regarding this election cycle. I will say this about wars. christine once posted a great flow chart regarding them, and under which administration - a D or an R - the war(s) began. maybe she can find it. Also, my first presidential vote was for Nixon who ran as a "end the war with honor" candidate. Vietnam was JFKs & JBJs baby.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-10-21   11:58:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: Jethro Tull (#87)

Vietnam was JFKs & JBJs baby.

And today we are holding naval maneuvers with Vietnam as potential allies...against China.

War is a very profitable business.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-10-21   12:06:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: Cynicom, 4 (#88)

And today we are holding naval maneuvers with Vietnam as potential allies...against China.

War is a very profitable business.

You got that right, and that extends back to our Revolution when the French lent us a hand. Let's hop into the real world for a moment; the last guy who hinted at peace from a position of power was JFK. The most recent civilian was a guy named Ritter {sp}? Toss in Cindy Sheehan for comic relief. So, as I see it, the problem is war is in our collective DNA. I have no doubt it will handed down to my children & g'children, as it was to us. How to end the cycle? Isn't that what the trash who surrounds Obama tried to do in the 60s? Well hot damn if the Woodstock generation who now steers the ship hasn't had a collective change of heart. Add to them all the leftist crap who infest our universities - peaceniks turned warmongers. What else to conclude except war is the way things are, the way things were and the way things will be. I don't much like it, but again, my head hurts from banging it against a wall hoping someone will emerge and lead us.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-10-21   12:19:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: Jethro Tull (#89)

my head hurts from banging it against a wall hoping someone will emerge and lead us.

No one in sight.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-10-21   12:30:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: Jethro Tull, Wars Started Under Democrats (#87)

www.jaymeblackmon.com/wars-started-under-democrats

Here’s a little insight to those that love to paint Republicans as war mongers. Anyone remember that unpopular little war in Southeast Asia called Vietnam? According to wikipedia, John F. Kennedy (D) escalated our involvement in the Vietnam conflict by committing our armed forces to duty for a war in which we were never attacked. Sounds like some familiar talking points huh? By the time the Vietnam War ended, over 8 million servicemen and women had served. EIGHT MILLION. Over 58,000 were killed and nearly 2,000 missing.

Let’s step back a few years to 1917 when Woodrow Wilson (D) declared war on Germany and marked our entrance into World War I. The USA suffered nearly 117,000 casualties. The US homeland was never attacked, but rather some US merchant ships had been attacked in international waters by Germany. Supposedly that was enough for Wilson to declare war after running a no-war policy to get elected.

Onward to World War II. In 1941, Franklin D. Roosevelt (D) declared war on Japan (and rightly so) after Japan bombed Pearl Harbor. So why did we attack Germany, after all – they hadn’t attacked us? The US suffered nearly 417,000 casualties in World War II.

In 1950, Harry S. Truman (D) led the United States into a proxy war against Communist ideals (Soviet Union) via North Korea. The United Nations authorized force under US commanders. Once again, the United States was never attacked and how coincidental that the UN authorized such a measure. The USA lost approximately 390,000 service members in the Korean conflict.

William Jefferson Clinton (D) appointed use of the US military to stop the bloodshed in Yugoslavia which was brokered by NATO. Supposedly there was genocide taking place in Yugoslavia, which was found to be untrue after the war had ended. The USA was never attacked and none of its interests were in jeopardy. Many saw this as a diversion from the Monica Lewinsky scandal to dominate the news cycle. I’d also like to throw in this tidbit for our beloved Human Shield, Sean Penn of Hollywood. President Clinton, “Together we must also confront the new hazards of chemical and biological weapons, and the outlaw states, terrorists and organized criminals seeking to acquire them. Saddam Hussein has spent the better part of this decade, and much of his nation’s wealth, not on providing for the Iraqi people, but on developing nuclear, chemical and biological weapons and the missiles to deliver them. The United Nations weapons inspectors have done a truly remarkable job, finding and destroying more of Iraq’s arsenal than was destroyed during the entire gulf war. Now, Saddam Hussein wants to stop them from completing their mission. I know I speak for everyone in this chamber, Republicans and Democrats, when I say to Saddam Hussein, “You cannot defy the will of the world,” and when I say to him, “You have used weapons of mass destruction before; we are determined to deny you the capacity to use them again.” Even Al Gore (D) as Senator ridiculed George H. W. Bush for not taking out Saddam in Operation Desert Storm. Yes, that’s the same guy that called us going into Iraq a miscalculated blunder by George Bush.

The President’s job above all else is to protect the American people, but I guess that’s only true if you’re a Democrat President? High ranking US Senators and Representatives all saw the same intelligence that the President saw and the majority of them voted for the war. Saddam Hussein broke one UN resolution after another with no penalty from the UN and committed PROVEN genocide among his people where he DID have WMDs where he gassed his own people. Where’s the outrage from bleeding heart compassionate liberals? Where’s the outrage when Saddam’s sons both marveled at TORTURING (yes the same torture that almost every liberal on Capitol Hill is against) members of Iraq’s Olympic Team when they failed to medal.

Ok let’s play politics. What if George W. Bush never sent us into the Iraq that Bill Clinton touted as a rogue nation? What if everyone followed Barack Obama’s lead? Let’s say that Saddam Hussein did have WMDs and handed them off to terrorists to use in the form of a suitcase nuke in NYC and scores were killed. What then? Who would be blamed? Not Obama. Don’t be so quick to jump on the Beat-up Bush Bandwagon until you have walked in his shoes.

Operation Iraqi Freedom resulted in just over 4,000 US casualties vs nearly 1 MILLION that were killed in all the other wars combined. Wow, I think I can stop now.

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this isn't the list i had posted before. i couldn't find it and this was written by a Bush acolyte. still, the point is that D politicians are as responsible for the involvement in this country's wars as Rs, if not moreso.

christine  posted on  2010-10-21   12:33:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: christine (#91)

The people of America no longer enjoy "any" benefit by having a FEDERAL Government. As a matter of fact they've only become addicted to the FEDS because of the continuous beatings and abuses the FEDS serve up.

Whoever said that we are born to be the FEDS butt babies ?

"Politics and Religion are the building blocks of slavery and oppression. Greed is the mortar that bonds them" and bankers are the masons with trowels in hand !

noone222  posted on  2010-10-21   12:42:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: noone222 (#92)

When you sit down and really analyze it, you quickly realize that there is no way that the U.S. government can be extricated from the U.S. economy now. Instead of the free enterprise system that we once had in this country, today we have a situation where the U.S. government has become the very core of the economy. It is the hub around which everything else in the economy revolves.

freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=118206

christine  posted on  2010-10-21   12:51:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: christine (#93)

When you sit down and really analyze it, you quickly realize that there is no way that the U.S. government can be extricated from the U.S. economy now.

The U.S. Economy is drowning and the U.S. Govt. is an anchor chained around the people's neck.

The rest of the world is decoupling from America's FEDERAL Fascist-Corporate GOVERNMENT.

It ain't gonna be pretty either.

"Politics and Religion are the building blocks of slavery and oppression. Greed is the mortar that bonds them" and bankers are the masons with trowels in hand !

noone222  posted on  2010-10-21   13:10:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: randge (#80)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-10-21   13:18:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: Cynicom (#84)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-10-21   13:18:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: christine (#93)

America is headed for an unprecedented economic collapse, and the U.S. government is leading the way. If you can get financially independent, now is the time to try to do that, but the reality is that we will all feel massive economic pain when this thing comes crashing down.

This is the last part of http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi? ArtNum=118206

and on the mark. It's really sad that so many are reliant upon the FED.

"Politics and Religion are the building blocks of slavery and oppression. Greed is the mortar that bonds them" and bankers are the masons with trowels in hand !

noone222  posted on  2010-10-21   13:28:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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