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Title: Allen West - Too Extreme
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Published: Oct 21, 2010
Author: Ron Klein
Post Date: 2010-10-21 09:13:57 by Flintlock
Keywords: None
Views: 1977
Comments: 175


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#1. To: Flintlock (#0)

Alan Klein ... another zionazi Jew !

I'm noone222, and I approved this message !

"Politics and Religion are the building blocks of slavery and oppression. Greed is the mortar that bonds them" and bankers are the masons with trowels in hand !

noone222  posted on  2010-10-21   9:21:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: noone222 (#1)

I'm noone222, and I approved this message !

LOL

WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)

Flintlock  posted on  2010-10-21   9:24:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: All (#2)

Allen West: Too Extreme, Too Dangerous!

WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)

Flintlock  posted on  2010-10-21   9:29:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: noone222 (#1)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-10-21   9:56:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Flintlock (#0)

One vote here for the colored guy.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-10-21   10:00:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: noone222 (#1)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-10-21   10:02:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Flintlock (#0)

Wow!

yeah. "WOW!" is right. Who'd have thunk it?

I think I just saw Nessie playing catch with bigfoot in Central Park!

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PSUSA  posted on  2010-10-21   10:03:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Jethro Tull (#5)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-10-21   10:03:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Eric Stratton (#6) (Edited)

He's Tits Palin in a different suit.

Until further notice, I'm with ya on this guy !

I don't know much about him ... like his stance on the wars.

"Politics and Religion are the building blocks of slavery and oppression. Greed is the mortar that bonds them" and bankers are the masons with trowels in hand !

noone222  posted on  2010-10-21   10:04:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Eric Stratton, 4 (#8)

We already know.

While I'm waiting for the FedGov to be ground into dust, and for ZoG to magically disappear, I'll choose the guy who will tax me less, leave my guns alone, ignore hate speech laws & just maybe remain open to the larger issues that cause some of our posters to grind their teeth :)

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-10-21   10:09:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Jethro Tull (#5)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-10-21   10:09:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Jethro Tull (#10)

While I'm waiting for the FedGov to be ground into dust, and for ZoG to magically disappear, I'll choose the guy who will tax me less, leave my guns alone, ignore hate speech laws & just maybe remain open to the larger issues that cause some of our posters to grind their teeth :)

How sensible !

"Politics and Religion are the building blocks of slavery and oppression. Greed is the mortar that bonds them" and bankers are the masons with trowels in hand !

noone222  posted on  2010-10-21   10:10:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: noone222 (#9)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-10-21   10:13:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Eric Stratton, 4 (#11)

Hey, light the torch and begin the march. If not you, who? If not now, why?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-10-21   10:14:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Flintlock (#0)

Part of the Dems' strategy of painting GOP candidates as "too extreme".

Polls show it isn't working, that voters don't care about the extreme label this year.

Maybe because the government under Dems has been pretty extreme itself.

TooConservative  posted on  2010-10-21   10:15:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Jethro Tull, All (#10)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-10-21   10:15:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Eric Stratton, 4 (#16)

and/or forcibly remove you from your home and relocate you to a location of their choosing during the next "national emergency."

Again, great choice!

Thanks, and I won't be leaving my home.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-10-21   10:20:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Jethro Tull, All (#14)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-10-21   10:23:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Flintlock (#0)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2010-10-21   10:25:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Jethro Tull (#17)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-10-21   10:28:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: ghostdogtxn (#19) (Edited)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-10-21   10:30:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: ghostdogtxn (#19)

Just send Klein a check and STFU

I'd like to see the Democrats lose their strangelhold on the American people, you want????

You ain't gonna get it.

WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)

Flintlock  posted on  2010-10-21   10:30:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Flintlock (#22)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2010-10-21   10:33:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Flintlock (#22)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2010-10-21   10:35:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Eric Stratton, 4 (#18)

You seem to have difficulty in determining how the final nails will be put into the coffin of your liberties.

Eric, not to be argumentative here, but some of us have been kicking around these issues long before you have. I won't bore you with my personal story, but let me say this; you haven't a monopoly on understanding the issues nor their critical nature. We disagree on how to step back off the edge of the cliff, and for me at least, I'm no longer going to walk around like Marley's ghost covered with chains. I have a life to live and if and when the perfect candidate appears on the scene, perhaps we can both work for h/she.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-10-21   10:35:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Flintlock (#0)

West is ahead.

In Florida: “Republican Allen West narrowly leads U.S. Rep. Ron Klein in a bruising battle for South Florida’s 22nd Congressional District, a new Sunshine State News Poll shows. West leads Klein 47-44 in the survey of likely voters conducted Oct. 17-19. Nine percent of respondents are undecided.West, a retired Army lieutenant colonel, lost by 10 points to Klein in 2008, a strong year for Democrats. But with Republicans surging this fall, West is picking up more independents, along with solid tea party support. “West has to be the slight favorite here simply because of the turnout differential,” said Jim Lee, president of Voter Survey Service, which conducted the poll for Sunshine State News. Lee reported that West’s 3-point lead grows to 5 points among respondents who say their chances of voting are “excellent” (49-44) and 4 points among “2x” voters, or those who cast ballots in both the ’08 and ’06 general elections (48-44).”

TooConservative  posted on  2010-10-21   10:35:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Eric Stratton (#21)

Yet, people like JT and Flint support it.

You talk about me without pinging me? Why you ignorant no class loser!

There are some people here who'd like to see the democrats loose their stranglehold on Congress, obviously you're not one of them. Why do you keep obstructing? You think you're being funny? You're fucking with my country!

Do the country a favor and stay the F off my threads. Everybody here knows you're a useless RAT sympathizer.

WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)

Flintlock  posted on  2010-10-21   10:36:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: TooConservative (#26)

West is ahead.

Great news!

Thank you for posting it.

WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)

Flintlock  posted on  2010-10-21   10:37:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Jethro Tull (#25)

if and when the perfect candidate appears on the scene, perhaps we can both work for h/she.

Thats it. You are certifiably insane.

Saints do not fight wars nor become politicians.

Try to remember that.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-10-21   10:37:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Cynicom, 4 (#29)

Thats it. You are certifiably insane.

Saints do not fight wars nor become politicians.

Try to remember that.

LOLOLOLOLOL

If Christ reappeared some would remind him he was once a Jew bastard and walk away :P

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-10-21   10:41:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: ghostdogtxn (#23)

Go away, don't you have some wetbacks you need to spring from jail?

WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)

Flintlock  posted on  2010-10-21   10:44:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Eric Stratton (#21)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2010-10-21   10:44:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Jethro Tull (#30)

If Christ reappeared some would remind him he was once a Jew bastard and walk away :P

Now that is true, sadly true.

One segment in the citizens behalf, we must remember that for a very long time there have been few honest, dedicated politicians, that stand up and be counted, do their term and walk away.

Those types of Americans no longer exist. Once the taste of power tempts them, they ALL grow a lust for a lifetime of power, until the Grim Reaper calls them for other duty.

For instance, now we will shift to a "republican" Congress...the debt will deepen, the wars will continue, the corruption will go on unabated.

There will be no change until we have a man spouting hellfire and brimstone for true Americans, OR UNTIL CHAOS AND INSURRECTION REIGNS.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-10-21   10:48:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: ghostdogtxn (#19)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-10-21   10:49:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Flintlock (#27)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2010-10-21   10:49:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: ghostdogtxn, 4 (#32)

I don't mind if JT and Flint want to support Pubbies no matter what

That isn't my position and never was. I'll repeat it should anyone care; The Kenyan (and you think he's a citizen, ha!) is far more dangerous to this nation that anyone who proceeded him. That said I'm voting for gridlock ONCE - that would be this cycle. If the TP movement offers no change, I'll resume my position on the sofa come next election day.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-10-21   10:50:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Flintlock (#28)

If incumbent Klein can't break 45% two weeks out against an opponent with a few negatives of his own, then Klein can't win in 2010. The GOP tidal surge will wash Klein out. IMO.

TooConservative  posted on  2010-10-21   10:50:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: ghostdogtxn (#32)

Those are the people who got us into this mess,

No, wetback loving lawyers like you got us into this mess.

I'm sure your inability to understand politics translates into your court work too.

WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)

Flintlock  posted on  2010-10-21   10:50:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Flintlock (#31)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2010-10-21   10:51:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: ghostdogtxn, All (#19)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-10-21   10:52:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: TooConservative (#37)

The GOP tidal surge will wash Klein out. IMO.

Klein needs to be flushed down the sewer of history. Of course, there are those here who'd like to see him get reelected.

WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)

Flintlock  posted on  2010-10-21   10:52:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Cynicom, flintlock (#33)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2010-10-21   10:53:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Flintlock (#38)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2010-10-21   10:53:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: ghostdogtxn (#39)

Maybe you should try some original material.

Maybe you should do something to help unseat the Democratic majority in Congress.....unless you like it.

WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)

Flintlock  posted on  2010-10-21   10:54:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: ghostdogtxn (#35)

You seem to be of the impression that a statist, Zionist warmongering Pubbie is an improvement over a statist, Zionist warmongering Democrat. Either way the same people maintain their stranglehold over the country.

You are stating the obvious counselor.

A KNOWN fact, something that is of no recent appearance.

On the negative side, there are far too many "voters" that have not a clue.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-10-21   10:54:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Flintlock (#41)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2010-10-21   10:55:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Cynicom (#33)

For instance, now we will shift to a "republican" Congress...the debt will deepen, the wars will continue, the corruption will go on unabated.

There will be no change until we have a man spouting hellfire and brimstone for true Americans, OR UNTIL CHAOS AND INSURRECTION REIGNS.

I tend to agree, and I'm prepared as i can be for chaos - in fact I welcome it. I thought it would come years ago, but there's no accounting for what White Guilters will swallow. When the bite from Big Brother digs into the asses of their lilly white kids, all huddled on the back of the unemployment line because of their color, maybe they will then understand yet another critical issue they are now either unaware of, or choosing to ignore.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-10-21   10:56:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: ghostdogtxn, flintlock, Too Conservative, Jethro tull, All (#42)

Might we contain our bile this morning????

Our frustration is showing in our language and our posts???

Cynicom  posted on  2010-10-21   10:56:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: ghostdogtxn (#43)

Shift to ad hominem attacks

You offer nothing to this thread except constantly repeating West is not YOUR perfect candidate. That make you a defacto Klein supporter.

That makes you a defacto supporter of the Democratic Party's stranglehold on America!

You're a traitor!

WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)

Flintlock  posted on  2010-10-21   10:59:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Jethro Tull (#14)

I think a series of Foreclosure "torches" would provoke an onslaught of similar acts capable of re-lighting the construction Industry and thereby rejuvenate employment.

The only drawback being the hazard to fire fighters.

"Politics and Religion are the building blocks of slavery and oppression. Greed is the mortar that bonds them" and bankers are the masons with trowels in hand !

noone222  posted on  2010-10-21   10:59:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Cynicom (#48)

Might we contain our bile this morning????

Huh? What bile? I have no bile on this thread, just a bit of polling and my own opinion on the horse race in question.

TooConservative  posted on  2010-10-21   11:01:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: TooConservative (#51)

Huh? What bile? I have no bile on this thread, just a bit of polling and my own opinion on the horse race in question.

Ha.

I could charge you with inciting to riot but will give you a pass this one time.

A little humor, a little patience, tells us we are ALL in the same sinking boat, wetting in others cherrios is of no value.

Besides I read all of the posts, even yours. hehehehehehe

Cynicom  posted on  2010-10-21   11:05:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Flintlock (#44)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2010-10-21   11:05:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Eric Stratton (#34)

Seems to me this guy's a John Hagee Republican.

You kin turn up the steam on the hard right rhetoric as high as you want as long as you talk up Izzy and "national security." You are guaranteed that somebody will open the money spigots for you if you do.

If a politician takes a traditional stand on values and a constitutionalist position on the issues that face us without genuflecting to Israel, he will quickly find that there is no cash for "kooks" and "right wingers."

I would like to direct this to the distinguished members of the panel: You lousy cork-soakers. You have violated my farging rights. Dis somanumbatching country was founded so that the liberties of common patriotic citizens like me could not be taken away by a bunch of fargin iceholes... like yourselves. Thank you. - Roman Moroni

randge  posted on  2010-10-21   11:05:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: ghostdogtxn, All (#32)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-10-21   11:06:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Cynicom, flintlock, too conservative, jethrotull, all (#48)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2010-10-21   11:07:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: Flintlock (#49)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2010-10-21   11:08:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: ghostdogtxn (#53)

My son is 6. When he's 18, I don't want to worry about a draft to fight some misbegotten war in some oil-drenched desert because Israel can't get along with it's neighbors.

Do you think either of these Israel loving candidates is going to help keep my son out of that situation?

Now you have bared the heart of this tragedy, something many do not see UNTIL it is their son or other loved one drafted to fight someone elses war.

Having been thru that very doorway to hell, it is not nice, it is not patriotic, it not doing ones duty. It was a war in some place I had never heard of. I risked my worthless life time and again for something I had no interest in.

The "state" said go and go I did. Those that resisted, went in irons and chains, to do their patriotic duty, to bleed and die, FOR WHAT????

Cynicom  posted on  2010-10-21   11:12:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: Flintlock (#49)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2010-10-21   11:13:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: ghostdogtxn (#53)

Neither one of them is worth a good goddamn.

Yawn

West is a strong advocate of stopping illegal immigration, I'm sure that's the real reason you hate him.

But once again, you fail to see the big picture, I'm not surprised. I wonder how many of your precious wetback clients are behind bars because of your ineptitude?

keep up the good work, Abogado, keep up the good work.

My son is 6.

Who's the mother? A Mexican?

WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)

Flintlock  posted on  2010-10-21   11:15:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: ghostdogtxn (#56)

That's kinda the point.

Not at all.

When we are all in the same sinking boat, barking at each other and pointing fingers is NOT productive. It ticks people off. I prefer civil discourse.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-10-21   11:15:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: Eric Stratton, 4, *Dopey White Folk* (#55)

That's what JT and Flintlock are supporting!

Ah, no, I'm not supporting that, and at the risk of repeating myself x 100 times, foreign policy is going to be the SAME regardless of who you support. What you CAN CHANGE is domestic policy. I hope this helps, but you seem intent on badgering people until they agree with you. Good luck with that and I can assure you it won't work with me.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-10-21   11:16:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: ghostdogtxn (#57)

I'm a "traitor?"

What else do you call someone who gives aid and comfort to illegal aliens?

WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)

Flintlock  posted on  2010-10-21   11:16:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: Jethro Tull, All (#25)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-10-21   11:17:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: Jethro Tull (#25)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-10-21   11:18:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: Eric Stratton (#65)

I see little to argue over except the extents to which Zionism has ruined this nation, ... more than tax hikes.

Thats cutting right to the chase, we all need to remember that and use it to awaken Americans.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-10-21   11:20:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: randge (#54)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-10-21   11:22:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: Flintlock (#60)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2010-10-21   11:22:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: ghostdogtxn (#59)

I'm saying that West is a BAD candidate

I'm saying you're an idiot.

Anyone who calls the Fedgov "Tyrannical" is a good candidate

Anyone who tells citizens to "Arm Themselves Against The Federal Government" is a good candidate.

Anyone who wants to stop illegal immigration is a good candidate.

But that's your real beef with West isn't it, his stand on illegal immigration. Don't worry, we all know you're a wetback lover.

WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)

Flintlock  posted on  2010-10-21   11:23:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: ghostdogtxn (#68)

No, the real reason I don't like West is because he's a stated, open Ziobot.

That's not good. The zionists while limited numerically are the most vociferous and deadly parasite on earth !

"Politics and Religion are the building blocks of slavery and oppression. Greed is the mortar that bonds them" and bankers are the masons with trowels in hand !

noone222  posted on  2010-10-21   11:25:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: Jethro Tull (#62)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2010-10-21   11:25:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: Jethro Tull (#62) (Edited)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-10-21   11:26:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: Cynicom (#66)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-10-21   11:29:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: Flintlock (#69)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2010-10-21   11:30:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: Eric Stratton (#67)

But honestly, there should be no reason why anyone gets off the sofa for that.

Well, I voted early and voted for gridlock. I went to the polls partly because it just destroys my dear wife when I say, "It's no good; I'm done with it. The system is doomed, etc. I am finished with voting."

She gets all upset although she knows, and I think she understands why I feel the way I do. I think she is slowly coming around to an understanding of the seriousness of our current situation in this country.

So, I split my votes between Ls and Rs mostly, and I'm hoping for the most difficult of all possible outcomes for Zero to deal with when the new Congress is sworn in in January.

I would like to direct this to the distinguished members of the panel: You lousy cork-soakers. You have violated my farging rights. Dis somanumbatching country was founded so that the liberties of common patriotic citizens like me could not be taken away by a bunch of fargin iceholes... like yourselves. Thank you. - Roman Moroni

randge  posted on  2010-10-21   11:33:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: randge (#75)

So, I split my votes between Ls and Rs mostly, and I'm hoping for the most difficult of all possible outcomes for Zero to deal with when the new Congress is sworn in in January.

Damn.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-10-21   11:37:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: randge (#75)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-10-21   11:40:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: Cynicom, randge (#76)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-10-21   11:40:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: ghostdogtxn, Eric Stratton, (#74)

Sorry girls/comrades, I have to go. Unlike you two losers, I'm doing something to break the stranglehold Obama & Pelosi have on my (not your) country.

WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)

Flintlock  posted on  2010-10-21   11:42:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: Eric Stratton (#78)

Damn.

Now you got Cyni all worked up.

I am going to pay for this post, I know.

I would like to direct this to the distinguished members of the panel: You lousy cork-soakers. You have violated my farging rights. Dis somanumbatching country was founded so that the liberties of common patriotic citizens like me could not be taken away by a bunch of fargin iceholes... like yourselves. Thank you. - Roman Moroni

randge  posted on  2010-10-21   11:45:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: Cynicom (#52)

I could charge you with inciting to riot but will give you a pass this one time.

Your forbearance is humbling, Obi Wan.

TooConservative  posted on  2010-10-21   11:47:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: Eric Stratton (#73)

Point being, that tax cuts are moot.

Isn't that all just code for how much we're borrowing from China and how much we are devaluing the dollar (primarily to rob retirees)?

TooConservative  posted on  2010-10-21   11:49:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: randge (#75)

and I'm hoping for the most difficult of all possible outcomes for Zero to deal with when the new Congress is sworn in in January.

yeah, that's really about it except that i'm hoping for the disposal of a record number of incumbents.

christine  posted on  2010-10-21   11:49:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: randge, Eric Stratton (#80)

I am going to pay for this post, I know.

Eric...

I was thinking of taking randge to the woodshed for a polite conversation, however he is on the good guy list, so I am being patient and understanding.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-10-21   11:49:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: Flintlock (#79)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2010-10-21   11:51:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: christine (#83)

yeah, that's really about it except that i'm hoping for the disposal of a record number of incumbents.

Incumbents by 90 per cent or larger, a tenner bet???????????

Once the newbies are given a key to the mens room, they nearly all morph into lifetime professional politicians, EVEN RON PAUL IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE...

Death grip on the power of office.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-10-21   11:53:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: Eric Stratton, 4, christine (#64)

Klein may be a Zionist too, but I don't see the expenses for the wars being pushed nearly as hard from the left.

Yeah, lets bag this since nothing either of us will say is going to change minds or opinion regarding this election cycle. I will say this about wars. christine once posted a great flow chart regarding them, and under which administration - a D or an R - the war(s) began. maybe she can find it. Also, my first presidential vote was for Nixon who ran as a "end the war with honor" candidate. Vietnam was JFKs & JBJs baby.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-10-21   11:58:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: Jethro Tull (#87)

Vietnam was JFKs & JBJs baby.

And today we are holding naval maneuvers with Vietnam as potential allies...against China.

War is a very profitable business.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-10-21   12:06:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: Cynicom, 4 (#88)

And today we are holding naval maneuvers with Vietnam as potential allies...against China.

War is a very profitable business.

You got that right, and that extends back to our Revolution when the French lent us a hand. Let's hop into the real world for a moment; the last guy who hinted at peace from a position of power was JFK. The most recent civilian was a guy named Ritter {sp}? Toss in Cindy Sheehan for comic relief. So, as I see it, the problem is war is in our collective DNA. I have no doubt it will handed down to my children & g'children, as it was to us. How to end the cycle? Isn't that what the trash who surrounds Obama tried to do in the 60s? Well hot damn if the Woodstock generation who now steers the ship hasn't had a collective change of heart. Add to them all the leftist crap who infest our universities - peaceniks turned warmongers. What else to conclude except war is the way things are, the way things were and the way things will be. I don't much like it, but again, my head hurts from banging it against a wall hoping someone will emerge and lead us.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-10-21   12:19:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: Jethro Tull (#89)

my head hurts from banging it against a wall hoping someone will emerge and lead us.

No one in sight.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-10-21   12:30:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: Jethro Tull, Wars Started Under Democrats (#87)

www.jaymeblackmon.com/wars-started-under-democrats

Here’s a little insight to those that love to paint Republicans as war mongers. Anyone remember that unpopular little war in Southeast Asia called Vietnam? According to wikipedia, John F. Kennedy (D) escalated our involvement in the Vietnam conflict by committing our armed forces to duty for a war in which we were never attacked. Sounds like some familiar talking points huh? By the time the Vietnam War ended, over 8 million servicemen and women had served. EIGHT MILLION. Over 58,000 were killed and nearly 2,000 missing.

Let’s step back a few years to 1917 when Woodrow Wilson (D) declared war on Germany and marked our entrance into World War I. The USA suffered nearly 117,000 casualties. The US homeland was never attacked, but rather some US merchant ships had been attacked in international waters by Germany. Supposedly that was enough for Wilson to declare war after running a no-war policy to get elected.

Onward to World War II. In 1941, Franklin D. Roosevelt (D) declared war on Japan (and rightly so) after Japan bombed Pearl Harbor. So why did we attack Germany, after all – they hadn’t attacked us? The US suffered nearly 417,000 casualties in World War II.

In 1950, Harry S. Truman (D) led the United States into a proxy war against Communist ideals (Soviet Union) via North Korea. The United Nations authorized force under US commanders. Once again, the United States was never attacked and how coincidental that the UN authorized such a measure. The USA lost approximately 390,000 service members in the Korean conflict.

William Jefferson Clinton (D) appointed use of the US military to stop the bloodshed in Yugoslavia which was brokered by NATO. Supposedly there was genocide taking place in Yugoslavia, which was found to be untrue after the war had ended. The USA was never attacked and none of its interests were in jeopardy. Many saw this as a diversion from the Monica Lewinsky scandal to dominate the news cycle. I’d also like to throw in this tidbit for our beloved Human Shield, Sean Penn of Hollywood. President Clinton, “Together we must also confront the new hazards of chemical and biological weapons, and the outlaw states, terrorists and organized criminals seeking to acquire them. Saddam Hussein has spent the better part of this decade, and much of his nation’s wealth, not on providing for the Iraqi people, but on developing nuclear, chemical and biological weapons and the missiles to deliver them. The United Nations weapons inspectors have done a truly remarkable job, finding and destroying more of Iraq’s arsenal than was destroyed during the entire gulf war. Now, Saddam Hussein wants to stop them from completing their mission. I know I speak for everyone in this chamber, Republicans and Democrats, when I say to Saddam Hussein, “You cannot defy the will of the world,” and when I say to him, “You have used weapons of mass destruction before; we are determined to deny you the capacity to use them again.” Even Al Gore (D) as Senator ridiculed George H. W. Bush for not taking out Saddam in Operation Desert Storm. Yes, that’s the same guy that called us going into Iraq a miscalculated blunder by George Bush.

The President’s job above all else is to protect the American people, but I guess that’s only true if you’re a Democrat President? High ranking US Senators and Representatives all saw the same intelligence that the President saw and the majority of them voted for the war. Saddam Hussein broke one UN resolution after another with no penalty from the UN and committed PROVEN genocide among his people where he DID have WMDs where he gassed his own people. Where’s the outrage from bleeding heart compassionate liberals? Where’s the outrage when Saddam’s sons both marveled at TORTURING (yes the same torture that almost every liberal on Capitol Hill is against) members of Iraq’s Olympic Team when they failed to medal.

Ok let’s play politics. What if George W. Bush never sent us into the Iraq that Bill Clinton touted as a rogue nation? What if everyone followed Barack Obama’s lead? Let’s say that Saddam Hussein did have WMDs and handed them off to terrorists to use in the form of a suitcase nuke in NYC and scores were killed. What then? Who would be blamed? Not Obama. Don’t be so quick to jump on the Beat-up Bush Bandwagon until you have walked in his shoes.

Operation Iraqi Freedom resulted in just over 4,000 US casualties vs nearly 1 MILLION that were killed in all the other wars combined. Wow, I think I can stop now.

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this isn't the list i had posted before. i couldn't find it and this was written by a Bush acolyte. still, the point is that D politicians are as responsible for the involvement in this country's wars as Rs, if not moreso.

christine  posted on  2010-10-21   12:33:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: christine (#91)

The people of America no longer enjoy "any" benefit by having a FEDERAL Government. As a matter of fact they've only become addicted to the FEDS because of the continuous beatings and abuses the FEDS serve up.

Whoever said that we are born to be the FEDS butt babies ?

"Politics and Religion are the building blocks of slavery and oppression. Greed is the mortar that bonds them" and bankers are the masons with trowels in hand !

noone222  posted on  2010-10-21   12:42:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: noone222 (#92)

When you sit down and really analyze it, you quickly realize that there is no way that the U.S. government can be extricated from the U.S. economy now. Instead of the free enterprise system that we once had in this country, today we have a situation where the U.S. government has become the very core of the economy. It is the hub around which everything else in the economy revolves.

freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=118206

christine  posted on  2010-10-21   12:51:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: christine (#93)

When you sit down and really analyze it, you quickly realize that there is no way that the U.S. government can be extricated from the U.S. economy now.

The U.S. Economy is drowning and the U.S. Govt. is an anchor chained around the people's neck.

The rest of the world is decoupling from America's FEDERAL Fascist-Corporate GOVERNMENT.

It ain't gonna be pretty either.

"Politics and Religion are the building blocks of slavery and oppression. Greed is the mortar that bonds them" and bankers are the masons with trowels in hand !

noone222  posted on  2010-10-21   13:10:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: randge (#80)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-10-21   13:18:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: Cynicom (#84)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-10-21   13:18:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: christine (#93)

America is headed for an unprecedented economic collapse, and the U.S. government is leading the way. If you can get financially independent, now is the time to try to do that, but the reality is that we will all feel massive economic pain when this thing comes crashing down.

This is the last part of http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi? ArtNum=118206

and on the mark. It's really sad that so many are reliant upon the FED.

"Politics and Religion are the building blocks of slavery and oppression. Greed is the mortar that bonds them" and bankers are the masons with trowels in hand !

noone222  posted on  2010-10-21   13:28:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: noone222, christine (#97)

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Please verify the link to this page is correct!


No Planes. Think about it. ................. Guaranteed Penetration (no it's not porn)

wudidiz  posted on  2010-10-21   13:33:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: wudidiz (#98)

No such Article number: ""

Go to Christine's post at #93 ... I viewed it by clicking on the url there.

"Politics and Religion are the building blocks of slavery and oppression. Greed is the mortar that bonds them" and bankers are the masons with trowels in hand !

noone222  posted on  2010-10-21   13:39:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: Jethro Tull, All (#87)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-10-21   13:53:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: Jethro Tull (#87)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-10-21   13:53:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: Cynicom (#90)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-10-21   13:54:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: christine, All (#91)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-10-21   13:55:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#104. To: Eric Stratton (#100) (Edited)

the democrat politicians are every bit the warmongers and every bit in the pocket of Israel as are the republicans. War is the Health of the State. that's the principle they govern by. and, take into consideration this fact.

When you sit down and really analyze it, you quickly realize that there is no way that the U.S. government can be extricated from the U.S. economy now. Instead of the free enterprise system that we once had in this country, today we have a situation where the U.S. government has become the very core of the economy. It is the hub around which everything else in the economy revolves.

none of this is going to change short term, so it simply comes down to some degree of gridlock on issues of lesser importance for this election. i admit that for some, maybe even myself, it might just be a desire to get rid of personalities that are the most despicable to us. and it's never good when either Rs or Ds have control of all branches of government.

christine  posted on  2010-10-21   14:34:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#105. To: Eric Stratton (#100)

Did you ever stop to think that the reason why our FedGov has in essence given up on the 2A rights agenda, or perhaps rather the evidence of it, is this militarized domestic police state buildup???

What good is a handgun or shotgun, or even a rifle, if the people armed against you have a hundred times the firepower and infinitely more license to use them?!

Honestly, please answer that, then reconsider your position here!

Eric, it's possible for one, very motivated man to take down an entire precinct in a major city. Not that I know anyone that would, I'm just saying.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-10-21   14:34:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: Jethro Tull (#105)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-10-21   14:41:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#107. To: Jethro Tull (#105)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-10-21   14:42:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#108. To: christine (#104)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-10-21   14:45:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#109. To: Eric Stratton, 4, *Obama Reality Check* (#106)

Sure, and when you sober up, take off the Spiderman leotards, and take a gander through the annuls of history sometime.

LOL

You're rolling off the rails, kiddo. Why don't you stop worrying about ZoG, FoG and SmoG and smell the roses (or in your case the cages THEY are constructing for us :))

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-10-21   14:47:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#110. To: Eric Stratton (#102)

Nor will one emerge in this system.

The one with a slight chance of survival was Traficant, he has gone mute and faded into the woodwork.

No way is the system going to allow itself to be taken down, within or without.

The rule of the gun will come first.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-10-21   15:03:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#111. To: Jethro Tull (#109)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-10-21   15:46:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#112. To: Eric Stratton (#108)

But they never installed A, the military on our soil, B, created the DHS/HOSE, C, revoked Posse Comitatus and Habeus Corpus, D, drafted the Patriot Act, etc., etc., et al., and etc.

you think that republicans did this all on their own? wasn't the PA drafted when clinton was in office? it had been prepared in advance of 9/11 which was a planned event for how long? also, can you elaborate on A?

christine  posted on  2010-10-21   15:48:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#113. To: christine (#112)

The chimperor started the ball rolling with his' it's just a gd piece of paper; this regime has picked up said ball and is running with it very nicely indeed.

The gutless/complicit/corrupt congress goes along with it.

Lod  posted on  2010-10-21   15:54:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#114. To: Cynicom, All (#110)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-10-21   15:55:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#115. To: Eric Stratton (#114)

What I find is funny is JT, Flintlock, and christine's arguments in favor of voting for a clown like West while simultaneously telling me out of the other side that it's all the same as the FedGov acts as one when that's been my primary point forever and a day here.

We all have to do as our conscience dictates.

I did my civic duty for untold years, to no avail.

What is right, the best, or moral becomes meaningless, when the candidates are preselected for you, by the same people.

I use to think the 80 million that did not vote were shirking their duties, however, for whatever reason, the fact they do NOT vote speaks volumes.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-10-21   16:04:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#116. To: Eric Stratton (#100)

And BTW, I'd like to see you go ask West, and please do, whether he favors the public purchasing the same caliber and magnitude of weaponry that our FedGov has for use against "civil unrest?" Go ahead, ask him and see what he says!

I think the people who support West should ask him if he believes that American citizens have the right to any weapon that any soldier can carry in the field. Of course he will say no (at least I think he will) and that will prove that he is no fan of the second amendment.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-10-21   16:09:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#117. To: Eric Stratton, 4 (#111)

Otherwise, seriously, while I don't give a s**t about myself, I am worried about my kids and the future that they'll have, perhaps without me. That's definitely worth considering

Yes, and consider where we'd all be if we lose the right to communicate freely? As ridiculous as that once sounded to me, the PC code has never been more powerful, and our 1st Amendment right never more endangered.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-10-21   16:13:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#118. To: christine (#112) (Edited)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-10-21   16:35:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#119. To: Cynicom (#115)

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"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-10-21   16:38:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#120. To: Jethro Tull (#117)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-10-21   16:44:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#121. To: Eric Stratton (#118)

i have to get going here. i'll read your link when i get back.

i was thinking. am i correct when i conclude that you think the Ds are the lesser of the two evils and that your opinion is that we're better off with Ds in control of the house and the presidency?

christine  posted on  2010-10-21   16:46:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#122. To: Eric Stratton (#120)

I have to tell you I feel like banging my head against a commode.

Relax comrade. #1, the Ds could still pull it out. #2, if we get gridlock, Obama the commie coon just might be slowed down, and #3, should the Rs take the House, whites will be vilified as racists which always delights me because each time the insult is hurled, it becomes less potent thus causing more dopey whites to wake up. I simply don't get why you give a flying fig about how I'm planning to spend 5 minutes of my time on 11/2. It's my business, just as what you do is your business. If I'm right, you lose nothing since your Doom & Gloom flag is waving on high. If I'm wrong, it does nothing to halt the progress of those wicked imps I'm suppose to fear from the dreaded FedGov. As I said previously, f**k 'em and the Black suburban they rode in on.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-10-21   16:56:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#123. To: Eric Stratton (#118) (Edited)

It had to be sold to the American People christine

another quick response...Obama - the Nobel Peace Prize recipient. look at the conflicts he's escalating - the good little puppet boy..so we have all the same shit as we had with bush plus lots more of leftist shit including multiculturalism and political correctness gone wild along with it.

christine  posted on  2010-10-21   17:00:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#124. To: christine (#123) (Edited)

Yeah, Obama is worse than Bush. I used to think that whatever president we had been saddled with that it couldn't get any worse. The next (s)election just about invariably proved me wrong, they get worse every time. While I thought we had surely hit the bottom of the barrel with Bush it seems that Obama knocked the bottom out of the barrel and Congress threw him a shovel and he started digging. Only actual work he's done in his life is destroying America.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-10-21   17:05:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#125. To: James Deffenbach, Christine (#124)

The next (s)election just about invariably proved me wrong, they get worse every time.

To my recall, Bush Jr. presided over more laws being enacted to enchain American citizens than any other of my time. All in the name of "security" of course and Americans accepted them without a whimper.

I do NOT recall in my time a President that actually sought a smaller government. As for the most inept President, the laurels go to Obama, a man totally in over his head, made president solely because he is black.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-10-21   17:50:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#126. To: TooConservative (#15)

Part of the Dems' strategy of painting GOP candidates as "too extreme".


Anything other than UNIVERSAL DOOM is too extreme.

Democrats don't mind war as long as they can have big government. Republicans don't mind big government as long as they can have war.
If you believe in small government, then you shouldn't be in the White House.

PnbC  posted on  2010-10-21   18:10:45 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#127. To: Eric Stratton, Jethro Tull (#100)

What good is a handgun or shotgun, or even a rifle, if the people armed against you have a hundred times the firepower and infinitely more license to use them?!

It's fun and challenging to beat the JBT's at their own game, especially when they are over-confident. Jethro Tull is right, one man can do a LOT of damage and get away to do some more.

__________________________________________________________
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?"

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2010-10-21   19:27:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#128. To: christine (#121)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-10-21   19:49:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#129. To: Jethro Tull (#122)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-10-21   19:51:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#130. To: Eric Stratton, 4 (#129)

I am somewhat disturbed when I see people putting money (tax cuts) ahead of liberty however.

It's OUR money and you actually lose liberty faster when it's gobbled up by big government. Hope that helps.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-10-21   19:58:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#131. To: christine (#123)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-10-21   20:00:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#132. To: Jethro Tull (#130)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-10-21   20:01:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#133. To: X-15, 4 (#127)

one man can do a LOT of damage and get away to do some more.

Bingo, X-15. Men will always act like men, each in his individual way. Others, not so much.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-10-21   20:05:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#134. To: Eric Stratton (#132)

OK, it's quite obvious that you don't understand anything that I said.

Oh, I understand it. I simply disagree.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-10-21   20:07:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#135. To: Jethro Tull (#134)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-10-21   20:08:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#136. To: Eric Stratton (#131)

Frankly, I'm not sure it makes a huge difference since there will always be more than enough rah-rah gung-ho Rambo types like West, Tits, and McCucaracha to keep the horror scenario looming.

You forgot to mention "pills_boy_Limbaugh" ... another faux conservative.

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-10-21   20:12:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#137. To: Eric Stratton, 4 (#135)

No, your post clearly implies that you don't.

The tax post? It's elementary. The LESS money central government confiscates, the SMALLER it becomes. The SMALLER it becomes, the more your liberty will grow.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-10-21   20:18:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#138. To: buckeroo (#136)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-10-21   20:21:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#139. To: Jethro Tull (#137)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-10-21   20:22:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#140. To: Jethro Tull (#137)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-10-21   20:24:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#141. To: Eric Stratton (#128)

ok, i understand and agree with pretty much everything you said except that the democrat politicians were fully aware of the agenda and were complicit. otherwise, why didn't they raise holy hell enmasse? the same argument could be said of legislation that the dems (when it's their turn) push through with hardly any opposition from the republicans. they take turns playing good guy/bad guy. that's the reason we need to get rid of the incumbents. that's got to begin somewhere. if it's a failure (i expect it will be), what have we lost by trying this cycle when so many are up?

christine  posted on  2010-10-21   20:25:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#142. To: Eric Stratton (#140)

Pretty soon they won't have to pass legislation to take your money, they'll just steal it at "gunpoint."

Well I pray for that moment because then even the most tepid souls among us will fight.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-10-21   20:35:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#143. To: Jethro Tull, LACUMO (#142)

Well I pray for that moment because then even the most tepid souls among us will fight.

Not LACUMO. His whole survival depends upon the federal government he spent his whole adult life working for. Food, housing, medicine. Instead of fighting he will be naming names to the government in order to ensure they continue taking care of him. It's all he knows.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone. - Zhuangzi

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-10-21   20:53:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#144. To: Eric Stratton, Cynicom, 4 (#140)

You still have never answered my question as to why the Germans c. 1940s didn't simply oust Hitler.

Ahhhhh.......maybe because they liked his pitch? Me? Had I been around in the late 30s, I would have stood with Charles Lindbergh and the American First Committee. I assume you would have too.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-10-21   20:57:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#145. To: Jethro Tull (#144)

You still have never answered my question as to why the Germans c. 1940s didn't simply oust Hitler.

Ahhhhh.......maybe because they liked his pitch? Me? Had I been around in the late 30s, I would have stood with Charles Lindbergh and the American First Committee. I assume you would have too.

The Germans did not attempt to oust Hitler for the same reason the Russians did not try to oust Stalin...IT IS CALLED THE RULE OF THE GUN...

Oust was NOT possible in either case by civil means, oust was possible only thru assassination.

Akin to 1940 and now. Americans were in love with Roosevelt, he was our savior...until the day he sprung the draft on us, then millions of people knew they had been swindled, that war was coming.

Which will come first now, war or the draft???? I put huge odds on a draft, then and only then will Americans wake the hell up.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-10-21   21:04:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#146. To: Cynicom (#125)

I do NOT recall in my time a President that actually sought a smaller government. As for the most inept President, the laurels go to Obama, a man totally in over his head, made president solely because he is black.

Apparently Obama was happy with all that tyrannical stuff Bush got passed because he hasn't said anything about dispensing with any of it. Only things that have been dispensed with is the rule of law, American pride and place in the world. Now we have a dictator instead of a president. Make no mistake, when any man has the power to have another man arrested and put in prison indefinitely without a trial that is beyond the legitimate powers of the president.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-10-21   21:05:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#147. To: James Deffenbach (#146)

Apparently Obama was happy with all that tyrannical stuff Bush got passed because he hasn't said anything about dispensing with any of it.

That is the same reason that if pubs take Congress, not a thing will change.

They will huff and puff and we will continue downhill into chaos.

This government is a runaway freight train with no brakes.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-10-21   21:10:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#148. To: Cynicom (#145)

The Germans did not attempt to oust Hitler for the same reason the Russians did not try to oust Stalin...IT IS CALLED THE RULE OF THE GUN...

Thanks. So it's safe to say the very last thing we need is additional rounds of gun control here in the States.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-10-21   21:13:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#149. To: Jethro Tull (#148)

So it's safe to say the very last thing we need is additional rounds of gun control here in the States.

There will be more.

My Father was anti Roosevelt from day one. Few would discuss politics with him, until the draft and war came into being, then it was amazing how so many people had been anti Roosevelt from day one.

When their kids had to march off to war, they paid attention, but only after it was too late.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-10-21   21:17:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#150. To: randge (#54)

If a politician takes a traditional stand on values and a constitutionalist position on the issues that face us without genuflecting to Israel, he will quickly find that there is no cash for "kooks" and "right wingers."

that is so true only it's not exclusive to rightwingers as far as Israel goes. i don't recall hearing any leftwingers/dems speaking out agains Israel either.

christine  posted on  2010-10-21   21:22:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#151. To: Jethro Tull (#148)

From Politico...

"On this day in 1940, President Franklin D. Roosevelt signed a selective service act that required men between the ages of 21 and 30 to register with their local draft boards. The legislation, which Congress had approved two days earlier, marked the first peacetime conscription in U.S. history."

My Grandfather was pro Roosevelt, until the age limit was raised to 65 and he had to register for the draft. He turned anti FDR that day.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-10-21   21:22:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#152. To: Flintlock (#0)

The liberals just fear a strong black man.

"Fear of death is form of stasis horrors. The dead weight of time." - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2010-10-21   21:25:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#153. To: Cynicom (#151)

My Grandfather was pro Roosevelt, until the age limit was raised to 65

i didn't know the age limit was raised to 65. how many older men were actually drafted?

christine  posted on  2010-10-21   21:36:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#154. To: christine (#153)

i didn't know the age limit was raised to 65. how many older men were actually drafted?

Men were drafted up to age 39 before the end of the war. I had two Uncles that were just shy of 39 that were drafted.

The age was raised to 65 for two reasons, flush out more bodies and if need be men would be drafted to work in factories. However so many women were willing to work that it did not become necessary. My Grandfather was born in 1878 and had to register

One could volunteer at 16. Some lied their age, the youngest being 12 years olde.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-10-21   21:46:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#155. To: Cynicom (#154)

FDR did a lot to promote a war didn't he? Do you remember his pervasive WAR POWERS ACT eliminating private sector controls by mandating authority to restrict goods and services and Census Suspension of revealing individual data?

These tyrants, once in POWER, do anything they want.

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-10-21   21:55:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#156. To: buckeroo (#155)

Roosevelt did one great thing, that was to end child labor once and for all time, that was in 1938.

Prior to that the Supreme Court had ruled twice it was unconstitutional to forbid hiring of children.

So much for those learned bastards.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-10-21   22:12:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#157. To: Dakmar (#152)

The liberals just fear a strong black man.

They fear an honest man who still believes in the Constitution.

WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)

Flintlock  posted on  2010-10-21   22:22:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#158. To: Cynicom (#156)

Roosevelt did one great thing, that was to end child labor once and for all time, that was in 1938.

He more than made up for one good thing with tons of bad things.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-10-21   22:25:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#159. To: James Deffenbach (#158)

He more than made up for one good thing with tons of bad things.

That was the only good thing I could recall.

He had a young mistress, married, catholic, that lived in Virginia. He traveled by train and use to stop and see her when passing by.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-10-21   22:32:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#160. To: Cynicom (#156) (Edited)

Roosevelt did one great thing, that was to end child labor once and for all time, that was in 1938.

He did no such thing. He just spread the practice around the world.

What he did was create [within] the international global companies that have, from the USA, created child labor around the world. And contemporary politics in America further endorses the practice: the goal is cheap labour for capitalist PIGS, while enhancing a fine appearance about the USA, the land of opportunity and the home of the brave.

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-10-21   22:33:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#161. To: Cynicom (#159)

I was thinking more about how the ol' commie bastard screwed the country, not so much about him running around on that hag he was married to.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-10-21   22:35:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#162. To: Jethro Tull (#142) (Edited)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-10-21   23:58:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#163. To: christine (#141)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-10-22   0:05:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#164. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#143)

:P

Now you did it!

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-10-22   5:02:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#165. To: Eric Stratton (#162)

Right, just like the Germans did.

And your underlying assumption that if they fight we'll win is seriously flawed. Against that kind of state millions would get wiped out and they would think nothing of it

No fight is guaranteed, but I think you’ll have a hard time selling citizen inactivity - related to fear - should the government confiscate our pay checks at gunpoint as you suggest in your #140. We're not the disarmed peoples of the former Third Reich. As for yourself, feel free to behave as you like in that, or any other situation this government places you in.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-10-22   5:08:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#166. To: Jethro Tull (#165)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-10-22   9:51:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#167. To: Eric Stratton, 4 (#166)

Again however JT, given your apparent hitting of a wall of some sort in terms of being able to process only x number of data points as it relates to this and thereby preventing you from seeing the greater point that I'm making

The wall I'm hitting is one of pomposity and political arrogance, built by a young man who admittedly has no answers to our nations problems. I wish you luck in your continuing search for the one, right answer.

Peace.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-10-22   10:06:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#168. To: Jethro Tull (#167)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-10-22   10:12:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#169. To: christine (#141)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-10-22   10:50:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#170. To: Eric Stratton (#169)

Well, the more heavily armed that they are, and we've seen the budget line items for weaponry for the IRS even,

i think there's one piece you're missing here, Eric, and that is the anti-gun left is doing its part to make sure that we-the-people are less armed.

christine  posted on  2010-10-22   11:33:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#171. To: christine (#170)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-10-22   11:52:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#172. To: Eric Stratton (#171)

what are your thoughts then on a method for stopping this?

christine  posted on  2010-10-22   12:09:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#173. To: christine (#172)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-10-22   12:49:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#174. To: Eric Stratton (#173)

As I see it, anything that accomplishes the goals is the solution.

This is NOT good, Eric. Basically, you are following an old political axiom that manifests, "the ends justifies the means." This leads to warped political philosophies that encourage social barbarism.

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-10-22   13:04:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#175. To: buckeroo (#174)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-10-22   14:15:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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