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Title: Ex-Jew reveals the evil within Jewry
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Published: Oct 29, 2010
Author: Br Kapner
Post Date: 2010-10-29 11:48:00 by Itistoolate
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Ex-Jew reveals the evil within Jewry

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#1. To: Itistoolate (#0)

It's quite obvious to everyone here that you hate Jews.

Aren't Christians supposed to preach love and peace, not hatred of others?

As I mentioned on a different thread, I find it absolutely hypocritical that those who claim to follow the Jewish Messiah not only hate the Jewish Messiah's religion, but the very people who follow that religion.

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-10-29   11:59:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: FormerLurker (#1)

All your observations are predicate on falsehoods. Christ wasn't a Jew. He was an Israelite. Jews hate Christ. The religion practiced by today's Jews isn't from the Old Testament. Christ warned us against the Jews.

Brian D  posted on  2010-10-29   12:07:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Brian D (#2)

Christ wasn't a Jew. He was an Israelite

Oh, so now the nation of Israel is the religion, not the nation, eh?

Do you know the difference between a religion and a country?

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-10-29   12:10:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: FormerLurker (#3)

Do you know the difference between a religion and a country?

In a theocracy, such as the "Jewish State" of Israel pretending to be a democracy, there is no difference.

abraxas  posted on  2010-10-29   12:47:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: abraxas (#19)

In a theocracy, such as the "Jewish State" of Israel pretending to be a democracy, there is no difference.

Not all Jews are Israeli however, and not all Jews are Zionists. Many are against it in fact.

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-10-29   13:38:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: FormerLurker (#23)

Do you know the difference between a religion and a country?

As to your question, Israel is a "Jewish State" wherein there is no separation between religion and country. Arabs, Christians or any other race/religion are second class citizens at best.

You ask if others know the difference between a religion and a country, but within the country we are discussing there is no differnce. It is a "Jewish state" despite pretending to be a democracy.

abraxas  posted on  2010-10-29   20:59:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: abraxas (#51)

You ask if others know the difference between a religion and a country, but within the country we are discussing there is no differnce. It is a "Jewish state" despite pretending to be a democracy.

And Saudi Arabia and many other Middle Eastern countries are Muslim states, and many European nations are basically Christian states.

So?

What I find odd is that people who I normally find to be level headed get all hateful towards anything concerning the origins of their own religion, ie. there WOULD be no Christianity without the Old Testament and the prophecy of a Messiah.

Yet people link the ancient origins of their own religion to a fairly recently formed country which they don't like, with good reason, but the country does not define the religion, nor does the religion define the country.

Zionism may or may not be classified as a religion, but it certainly isn't Judaism, it's political in nature, and not what constitutes the Jewish faith.

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-10-29   22:14:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: FormerLurker (#55)

And Saudi Arabia and many other Middle Eastern countries are Muslim states

but the country does not define the religion, nor does the religion define the country.

Zionism may or may not be classified as a religion, but it certainly isn't Judaism, it's political in nature, and not what constitutes the Jewish faith.

Yes. The only difference is that these Muslim countries don't pretend to be democracies. They admit and are proud to be Muslim theocracies. Israel, on the other hand, pretends to be a democracy but the Jewish state is yet another ME theocracy.

The religion most definitely does define the Jewish State. There is no argument regarding this fact, save for one you are attempting to make that makes no sense. Israel is a JEWISH state, hence defined by the Jewish religion.

Zionism is the state of Israel and Israel is a Jewish State. It is the political extention of the Jewish religion. You are making some distinctions that defy logic.

abraxas  posted on  2010-10-30   1:33:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: abraxas (#58)

The religion most definitely does define the Jewish State. There is no argument regarding this fact, save for one you are attempting to make that makes no sense. Israel is a JEWISH state, hence defined by the Jewish religion.

Show me where in the Old Testament God orders the Israelis to kill Palestinians in order to occupy the land, and torment them mercilessly.

Does it say that in your Bible?

I can't seem to find it in the versions I've seen.

Show me where in the Old Testament it is ordered that an IDF be created, funded by an American state of so-called Christians.

However, I CAN find references to "God" ordering "his children" to kill all the men, women, children, even the infants of their enemies. Of course their animals were condemned to die as well.

Here's the KJV rendition of the verse (1 Samuel 15:3);

Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.
If anything, the more I read of the Old Testament the more I realize what utter crap it is, where NO loving God would do what is cited.

More than likely the "Israelites" decided they needed "God" to not only approve of what they intended to do, they decided they wanted God to ORDER them to do it. What a convenient way to get away with genocide.

Hence, Christianity is utter crap since the Old Testament IS pure BS, and whatever "New" version that exists is pure BS as well since it was based upon that "Old" which everyone thinks is satanic anyways by their own admission.

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-10-30   1:51:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: FormerLurker (#60)

Show me where in the Old Testament God orders the Israelis to kill Palestinians in order to occupy the land, and torment them mercilessly.

Let us go down after the Philistines by night and spoil them until the mornigh light, and let us not leave a man of them. Samuel, xiv, 36.

The remnant of the Philistines shall perish, saith the Lord God. Amos, i, 8.

The day that cometh to spoil ALL the Philistines. Jeremiah, xlvii, 4.

abraxas  posted on  2010-10-30   1:57:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: abraxas (#61)

Let us go down after the Philistines by night and spoil them until the mornigh light, and let us not leave a man of them. Samuel, xiv, 36.

The remnant of the Philistines shall perish, saith the Lord God. Amos, i, 8.

The day that cometh to spoil ALL the Philistines. Jeremiah, xlvii, 4.

So then you admit that Judaism and Christianity (and Islam by inference) are false religions?

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-10-30   2:02:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: FormerLurker (#63)

So then you admit that Judaism and Christianity (and Islam by inference) are false religions?

You asked where the Biblical teachings were and I provided a few answers.

I do not make that claim that the Abrahamic faiths are false religions because it is disrespectful to people who hold these beliefs as sacred. I think all relgions offer something of value for people and it is not for me to judge. However, I do note the hypocricy and cherry picking of Biblical verses or Koran quotes to justify despicable behavior.

Personally, I think the Christian faith would be lovely if people opted to follow the Sermon on the Mount. Sadly, few do.

abraxas  posted on  2010-10-30   2:25:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#68. To: abraxas (#65)

Personally, I think the Christian faith would be lovely if people opted to follow the Sermon on the Mount. Sadly, few do.

I personally think I should just study Buddism and give up trying to help people who don't want help.

What will happen will happen, no matter what.

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-10-30 03:22:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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