It's quite obvious to everyone here that you hate Jews.
Aren't Christians supposed to preach love and peace, not hatred of others?
As I mentioned on a different thread, I find it absolutely hypocritical that those who claim to follow the Jewish Messiah not only hate the Jewish Messiah's religion, but the very people who follow that religion.
I don't recall saying that I did. I said the Essenes (the spiritual sect of the Jewish faith, notably that of Jesus the Navarene if you follow the historical evidence) more than likely did in that it pertains to esoteric spiritual matters.
The Kabbalah is said to provide a person with the means of becoming one with God. That should be the goal of any spiritual person, as opposed to a religious person who simply follows the doctrine of that which he is told to believe in.
it sounds now like you're favorable to it, & i had thought you had posted that you had dabbled in it. i point this out because that would indicate your bias & defensiveness regarding the jews. no?
it sounds now like you're favorable to it, & i had thought you had posted that you had dabbled in it. i point this out because that would indicate your bias & defensiveness regarding the jews. no?
Have you been paying attention for the past 10 years or so? I've posted about the "dancing Israelis", the treachery involved in the bombing of the Marine barracks over in Lebanon and how Israel was more than likely behind it, the horror of what is being inflicted on the Palestinian people, along with countless other things.
I'm not a Jew, yet I have no inbred hatred of them. I am against what the NATION of Israel does in terms of evil deeds, what ZIONISTS CHRISTIANS have done in support of those deeds, as well as what Israeli Jews have done in carrying out those deeds.
Thing is some of you folks feel that it's either "you're with us or against us". If someone has a different point of view in terms of religion, then they must be satanic or some shit, yet so-called Christians have caused more horror on this earth in the name of Christ than most of the world's other religions combined.
Sure the Jews and the Muslims have done their share of horrible things, and continue to do so. Thing is, they don't have a monopoly on it.
That I've studied spiritual matters derived from the foundations of your own religion should not scare you or cause you to view me differently, if anything, you should try to understand things beyond the veil, and find truth on your own rather than being told to accept whatever is fed to you or you'll "burn in hell".
No caring and loving God would do such a thing as damn people to eternal suffering, and that is part of the problem, many of you folks think that he would and help "him" do exactly that using your own methods and forms of punishment.
Do you even know ANYTHING at all about the Kabbalah? If anything, it touches upon a fountain of spiritual knowledge that has been known for eons of time, where those who followed it were peaceful people who only wished to co-exist peacefully with Nature and live in harmony with that which exists within and beyond our material world.
That it has been twisted and distorted into other things is human nature. Yet any person can find the truth in it if he or she wants to, and by so doing, finds there is more to this Universe than what is written in books.
actually, i do. i always encourage dialogue & am one of the most diplomatic peacemaking posters here, if i can say so myself :-) i dont know about kaballah, other than its some sort of jewish mysticism taught in public schools in los angeles. & i knew you were into it, which doesn't mean i was accusing you of being a zionist jew, The broader note - peoples religion here, or lack thereof doesn't really concern me. i understand youre offended when you constantly see 'jew bashing' posts at 4um. you remind that Christians should be loving. That's a good point. However- when you constantly couple that point with your 'Religion is superstitious garbage, Christianity is a controlling farce, the bible is fictional nonsense' rhetoric, your previously valid points will be immediately rejected, as you attack the personal faith of your target audience. not an effective tactic at all.
I bash those who bash others, and find that there is much hypocrisy going around.
At this point I can just shake my head and see why this world will never be peaceful, as most would rather just love to hate and use whatever excuse they can find to focus and target that hate.
My first words here on this thread were that I found it " absolutely hypocritical that those who claim to follow the Jewish Messiah not only hate the Jewish Messiah's religion, but the very people who follow that religion. "
That people over time corrupted that religion and made it something it was not is besides the point, as not all people of that faith believe in the mainstream faith, and some even believe that Jesus is the Messiah, but in the form of a prophet.
Many here hold the false belief that Judaism in general is about hating Christians. There WOULD be no Jesus Christ if it were not for the foundation of Judaism, since Judaism predicates the fact that Jesus is said to be the Son of the Father, and that Father is the God of the Old Testament.
Folks can believe whatever they want to believe that they find in books or make up themselves, but the thing is, many then use those beliefs as a basis for their hatred, and actually launch wars and kill people over it.
That is where the line is crossed, and where I no longer hold my tongue.
The majority of the reason we are killing people in Iraq and Afghanistan isn't because Israel wants it done, but because "Christians" here in THIS country believe it HAS to be done. Must kill those nasty Mooselum sand niggers ya know.
but the people here who focus on the 'evil jews' are not by any means among the pro war side. that is why i thought your remark above about worshiping Hagee was odd. if the poster doesn't like zionist jews, they certainly dont like hagee, & they arent scared of muslims, etc. They have looked for the man behind the curtain, & found a 'jew scoundrel' behind many of the world's problems.
Many here hold the false belief that Judaism in general is about hating Christians. There WOULD be no Jesus Christ if it were not for the foundation of Judaism, since Judaism predicates the fact that Jesus is said to be the Son of the Father, and that Father is the God of the Old Testament.
Jesus himself proclaimed the Pharisees to be "of their father, the devil" ... was Jesus using rhetoric and hyperbole ? [Today's Rabbis claim to be the result of an unbroken chain that can be traced back to these Pharisees.]
Try this. Look to the Bible for the Promises God made to Abraham (or google it) where the notion of a chosen people occurred. If God makes a promise and doesn't keep it is he still God ? Or, is it possible that God made a promise and kept it but most aren't perceptive enough to see past the dogma or doctrine that like most propaganda has a way of obscuring the truth. (Which, by the way, God describes Himself as "The Truth").
If you research the many promises made to Abraham regarding his descendants THROUGH ISAAC, JACOB (AKA - ISRAEL) you'll find that those calling themselves Jews today cannot demonstrate having received EVEN ONE of the promises.
God made numerous promises that have been fulfilled but not by those calling themselves Jews.
I propose that the proof is in the pudding. It's also relevant to keep in mind several factors. There were 12 Tribes receiving these promises, not just the tribe of Judah.
One promise was that the heirs of the promise would become many nations. Another was that they'd be so numerous you couldn't count them. (We've been counting every single Jew on earth for 100 plus years). They were promised to be a blessing to all nations on earth. What we call Jews today have been expelled from every country they have been allowed into for criminal acts of oppression.
These are just a few things to look at. If you want to see those that have fulfilled the promises made to Abraham's descendants ... look at the International Quality of Life Index for the Top 12 Countries with the highest quality of life.
#87. To: FormerLurker, abraxas, artisan, all (#67)(Edited)
At this point I can just shake my head and see why this world will never be peaceful, as most would rather just love to hate and use whatever excuse they can find to focus and target that hate.
In order for there to be true peace, which I define as a lack of a threat and not as a mere absence of conflict, then people need to have their right to be left alone honored and respected. That is what is keeping peace from being achieved. The abrahamic "faiths" do not respect or honor that right to be left alone. They're always butting in where they are not welcome. Their being butt-in-skis is a doctrinal imperative.
This is why I have become a Satanist, or rather I always was one and didn't know it until recently. Satanism is (ideally) a religion of individualism. We go our own way. But as a grouping even that has its problems. Too many want to be a big fish in a very small pond.