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Title: Ex-Jew reveals the evil within Jewry
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Published: Oct 29, 2010
Author: Br Kapner
Post Date: 2010-10-29 11:48:00 by Itistoolate
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Ex-Jew reveals the evil within Jewry
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#1. To: Itistoolate (#0)
It's quite obvious to everyone here that you hate Jews. Aren't Christians supposed to preach love and peace, not hatred of others? As I mentioned on a different thread, I find it absolutely hypocritical that those who claim to follow the Jewish Messiah not only hate the Jewish Messiah's religion, but the very people who follow that religion.
All your observations are predicate on falsehoods. Christ wasn't a Jew. He was an Israelite. Jews hate Christ. The religion practiced by today's Jews isn't from the Old Testament. Christ warned us against the Jews.
Oh, so now the nation of Israel is the religion, not the nation, eh? Do you know the difference between a religion and a country?
A) You have no idea what Jesus said because what he may or may not have said certainly wasn't recorded by those who killed him, ie. the Romans. B) Jesus was a Jew. An Essene Jew, not a Pharisee, but a Jew nonetheless. You see, Judaism is the religion of the Old Testament (Tanakh). The Protestant Church didn't write the Old Testament, the Hebrews did, and they called their religion Judaism.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin
And who wrote all those words you just posted?
According ot the bible, Jesus was born jewish, but became an apostate and a heretic. For Jesus apostasy and heresy, he was killed by the Romans, at the request of the pharisees.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin
I haven't found too many who are willing to do that.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin
Writers who lived at least a century after his death. Roman writers, under authority of the emperor.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin
I think there's actual historical evidence, whether it be circumstantial or literal, that Jesus was an Essene whose teachings were far different than those formulated by the Roman Catholic Church and the "apostle" Paul. If you're interested, here's some info on that... Jesus was not a Jew. There were no "Jews" in that day. The evidence is that he was a Pharisee.
"If ever this vast country is brought under a single government, it will be one of the most extensive corruption, indifferent and incapable of a wholesome care over so wide a spread of surface. This will not be borne, and you will have to choose between reform and revolution. If I know the spirit of this country, the one or the other is inevitable." - Thomas Jefferson
In a theocracy, such as the "Jewish State" of Israel pretending to be a democracy, there is no difference.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
You realize of course that "Judaism" is a latinate English word. I would be pleased to know both the ancient and contemporary words for that term in Hebrew.
I would like to direct this to the distinguished members of the panel: You lousy cork-soakers. You have violated my farging rights. Dis somanumbatching country was founded so that the liberties of common patriotic citizens like me could not be taken away by a bunch of fargin iceholes... like yourselves. Thank you. - Roman Moroni
Pharisees were Jews. But evidence indicates he was NOT a Pharisee, he was a Nazarene, or Essene Jew. Look up the word Pharisee if you don't believe me, I'm not making this up. Saying that he was not a Jew, he was a Pharisee, is like saying a particular person is not a Christian, he's a Protestant.
Yes of course it's an English word, but it means the religion of the Old Testament.
Not all Jews are Israeli however, and not all Jews are Zionists. Many are against it in fact.
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
Yes, but that's not what I asked you. In the times of which we speak, there was no Old Testament either as it constituted today. What are the contemporary and ancient words for "Judaism" in Hebrew?
I would like to direct this to the distinguished members of the panel: You lousy cork-soakers. You have violated my farging rights. Dis somanumbatching country was founded so that the liberties of common patriotic citizens like me could not be taken away by a bunch of fargin iceholes... like yourselves. Thank you. - Roman Moroni
So the God who gave Moses those 10 Commandments was Satan?
In the times of which we speak, there was no Old Testament either as it constituted today. The Tanakh is what Christians call the Old Testament, the first 5 books of which are called the Torah. What are the contemporary and ancient words for "Judaism" in Hebrew? Well here's the exact answser... From Origin of the Word "Judaism" Why is the religion called "Judaism" as opposed to "Jewism" since we are called Jews (compared to Hindus and Hinduism or Christians and Christianity)? Answer The words Jews and Judaism are English words derived from the Hebrew words, respectively of "Yehudim" and "Yahadut." Yehudim (Jews) practice Yahadut (Judaism), which refers to the body of Jewish religious thought, customs, symbols, rituals and laws. In the early 1st millennium BCE, Judaism got its name from "Judah", the land of the Hebrews. We find the term “Judaism” used in the first century CE by Greek- speaking Jews. References include the Second Book of Maccabees 2:21 and 8:1. “Yahadut” or “dat Yahadut” is used infrequently in medieval commentaries, e.g. Ibn Ezra, but it is used extensively in modern Jewish history. Thank you for the reference. 23 Now as he left off speaking these words, there came a certain Jew in the sight of all to sacrifice to the idols upon the altar in the city of Modin, according to the king's commandment. I would like to direct this to the distinguished members of the panel: You lousy cork-soakers. You have violated my farging rights. Dis somanumbatching country was founded so that the liberties of common patriotic citizens like me could not be taken away by a bunch of fargin iceholes... like yourselves. Thank you. - Roman Moroni
Uh, who do you suppose lived in Israel back then? Were they Muslim in your opinion? Perhaps Jesus prayed to Allah?
No one that treats the subject seriously calls the Hebrews Jews. As you know, this word refers to the tribe of Judah who constitute but one of the Twelve Tribes. The term Jew is properly applied to the people of largely Hebrew extraction who returned to Palestine after the Captivity. Judaism refers to the religion that emerged from the time of the Captivity and which had incorporated a number of Babylonian elements.
I would like to direct this to the distinguished members of the panel: You lousy cork-soakers. You have violated my farging rights. Dis somanumbatching country was founded so that the liberties of common patriotic citizens like me could not be taken away by a bunch of fargin iceholes... like yourselves. Thank you. - Roman Moroni
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
Exposing the cult of Judaism is not hate, it is proclaiming the truth. If you think exposing the truth of Judaism is equal to hate then you should feel welcome with those that practice Judaism today, they think the same thing.
God is always good!
Very well put.
Do you know that Israel is a religious state? Without the cult of Judaism Israel wouldn't exist today.
God is always good!
Hear, hear! The truth is not hate.
Great comment also.
Well I'm sorry I'm not so picky in my definition. Anyone who follows the Torah and who follows the faith defined by the Tanakh is following Judaism in not just my own opinion, but that of most people. If you wish to speak of the time 200 years after the birth of Jesus (as defined by the Romans), then yes, they picked up the Babylonian Talmud as well as the Palestinian Talmud. You can't even think of a word which defines the religion of the Old Testament can you. Go ahead and tell me what it is if it's not Judaism.
So by inference, that means without Christianity there would be no Rome? Zionism is not defined in the Old Testament, and those who practice Judaism are not necessarily Zionists. Do you think all Christians look forward to a "rapture", and are trying to bring it about, just because SOME of them are? There IS no rapture in the original religion, that's something some TV evangelists tacked on for their own benefit, sort of like how some Rabbis dreamed up the Talmud.
Apparently you have no clue as to what Judaism is about. Have you ever heard of the Old Testament? It was written by those of the Jewish faith, as THAT is their religion. Thing is, most Christians can't conceive of a God that isn't in human form, so anything other than the concept of a man dying on a cross is satanic to them.
I think people who get caught up in words written by men as if they were written by the Creator of this Universe are not all there, especially when they apply those notions to breed hatred against those with similar beliefs, but use a different name for the same subset of books they each identify with.
BTW, not all Hebrews followed Judaism, just as not all Romans followed Christianity, at least not back then (those who didn't agree to the new Roman state religion were put to death BTW). Again, it's the difference between the name of a group of people by region or race, as opposed to which religion they followed. Hebrew is not a religion, it's a language and a group of people named for their origins and race, not their religion.
That's old school "liberal" Christianity man! Today's "real" Christians know that Jesus was a God of War and that Christians have a duty to kill Muslim's and wipe them off of the face of the Earth while making the world safe for Democracy! Jesus was a Republican. And a Democrat. He can do that because he is God! Love and peace are nothing more than Marxist code words for slavery man! Get with the program. No one who's anyone believes that rot-gut anymore. If God wanted us to love them he would have made them Jew's or Americans!
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone. - Zhuangzi
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
So you're claiming that the disciples did not write it? There is an abundance of evidence that they did not. In fact, many scholarly theological works themselves indicate that the names of the Gospel authors may not refer to the actual apostles, but pen names used by some later authors. Remember it was the Romans who created the book known as the New Testament, it didn't exist till at least 400 years after the death of Jesus as defined by those writing the book. Allow me to ask, do you see what the Jews are doing today, namely those that claim to be jews, as "good" as Christ would define it? Or not? And I'm talking on a global scale here, not in minutae at the civil level here and there, which is irrelevant. I see misery and suffering caused by BOTH the Jewish and Christian religions, as well as that caused by the Islamic religion. I'd say the Christians have on a whole caused more suffering than the Jews have, when you consider the various Inquisitions, witch trials, Crusades, and other such matters. Not many Christians are close to being "good" as described by their own religion.
didn't you post once that you practice kabbalah?
"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13 I don't recall saying that I did. I said the Essenes (the spiritual sect of the Jewish faith, notably that of Jesus the Navarene if you follow the historical evidence) more than likely did in that it pertains to esoteric spiritual matters. The Kabbalah is said to provide a person with the means of becoming one with God. That should be the goal of any spiritual person, as opposed to a religious person who simply follows the doctrine of that which he is told to believe in.
it sounds now like you're favorable to it, & i had thought you had posted that you had dabbled in it. i point this out because that would indicate your bias & defensiveness regarding the jews. no?
"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13 Hmmmmm... Double Speak? Jesus must have been speaking in code. "Peace" = War.
~~~~~~~ Paul put together a religion about his Mastor Jesus Christ with much of his own derivative of the truth. We should study the religion OF Jesus rather than the religion ABOUT Jesus. Of all human knowledge, that which is of greatest value is to know the religious life of Jesus a how He lived it. ooops
~~~~~~~ Have you been paying attention for the past 10 years or so? I've posted about the "dancing Israelis", the treachery involved in the bombing of the Marine barracks over in Lebanon and how Israel was more than likely behind it, the horror of what is being inflicted on the Palestinian people, along with countless other things. I'm not a Jew, yet I have no inbred hatred of them. I am against what the NATION of Israel does in terms of evil deeds, what ZIONISTS CHRISTIANS have done in support of those deeds, as well as what Israeli Jews have done in carrying out those deeds. Thing is some of you folks feel that it's either "you're with us or against us". If someone has a different point of view in terms of religion, then they must be satanic or some shit, yet so-called Christians have caused more horror on this earth in the name of Christ than most of the world's other religions combined. Sure the Jews and the Muslims have done their share of horrible things, and continue to do so. Thing is, they don't have a monopoly on it. That I've studied spiritual matters derived from the foundations of your own religion should not scare you or cause you to view me differently, if anything, you should try to understand things beyond the veil, and find truth on your own rather than being told to accept whatever is fed to you or you'll "burn in hell". No caring and loving God would do such a thing as damn people to eternal suffering, and that is part of the problem, many of you folks think that he would and help "him" do exactly that using your own methods and forms of punishment. Do you even know ANYTHING at all about the Kabbalah? If anything, it touches upon a fountain of spiritual knowledge that has been known for eons of time, where those who followed it were peaceful people who only wished to co-exist peacefully with Nature and live in harmony with that which exists within and beyond our material world. That it has been twisted and distorted into other things is human nature. Yet any person can find the truth in it if he or she wants to, and by so doing, finds there is more to this Universe than what is written in books.
Do you know the difference between a religion and a country? As to your question, Israel is a "Jewish State" wherein there is no separation between religion and country. Arabs, Christians or any other race/religion are second class citizens at best. You ask if others know the difference between a religion and a country, but within the country we are discussing there is no differnce. It is a "Jewish state" despite pretending to be a democracy.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
"Does not their Talmud say, and do not their rabbis write, that it is no sin to kill if a Jew kills a heathen, but it is a sin if he kills a brother in Israel? It is no sin if he does not keep his oath to a heathen. Therefore, to steal and rob, as they do with their usury, from a heathen is a divine service. For they hold that they cannot be too hard on us nor sin against us, because they are of the noble blood and circumcised saints; we, however, are cursed goyim. And they are the masters of the world, and we are their servants, yea, their cattle... Jewish History, Jewish Religion The Weight of Three Thousand Years by Professor Israel Shahak
"There is no compulsion in religion," – Holy Qur'an ----------- Muhammad (swt) reportedly said: * He, who is a parasite to others, shall be condemned in the eyes of God, the Almighty.--------------------- " It’s immoral and cowardice to ask Muslims not to resist foreign aggression. ---------------- If Muslims leave the Zionist Jews alone - they would destroy Islamic culture as they did with Judaism and Christianity - Henry Makow, PhD. -------------------- Talmud is the most hateful religious literature in the world - professor Israel Shahak
yes it does still formerlurker thinks they are G_d's "chosen people" go figure
Should we be surprised that Jews lie about the racist and anti-Christian statements in the Talmud in lieu of the above Talmud citation? Absolutely not. They are commanded to mislead and lie to Christians when a Christian asks if the Talmud contains anything against them. Zohar (1, 160a): Jews MUST ALWAYS try to deceive Christians. "The heirs of the Pharisees often deny the existence of the Talmud passages here cited, in order to brazenly claim that such passages are the 'fabrications of anti-semites.'" - Michael Hoffman II "Judaism's Strange gods," p.72 "In 1994, Rabbi Tzvi Marx, director of Applied Education at the Shalom Hartman Institute in Jerusalem, made a remarkable admission concerning how Jewish rabbis in the past have issued two sets of texts: the authentic Talmudic texts with which they instruct their own youth in the Talmud schools (yeshiviot) and "censured and amended" versions which they disseminate to gullible non-Jews for public consumption." Michael Hoffman II, "Judaism's Strange gods," pg.71
"There is no compulsion in religion," – Holy Qur'an ----------- Muhammad (swt) reportedly said: * He, who is a parasite to others, shall be condemned in the eyes of God, the Almighty.--------------------- " It’s immoral and cowardice to ask Muslims not to resist foreign aggression. ---------------- If Muslims leave the Zionist Jews alone - they would destroy Islamic culture as they did with Judaism and Christianity - Henry Makow, PhD. -------------------- Talmud is the most hateful religious literature in the world - professor Israel Shahak
And Saudi Arabia and many other Middle Eastern countries are Muslim states, and many European nations are basically Christian states. So? What I find odd is that people who I normally find to be level headed get all hateful towards anything concerning the origins of their own religion, ie. there WOULD be no Christianity without the Old Testament and the prophecy of a Messiah. Yet people link the ancient origins of their own religion to a fairly recently formed country which they don't like, with good reason, but the country does not define the religion, nor does the religion define the country. Zionism may or may not be classified as a religion, but it certainly isn't Judaism, it's political in nature, and not what constitutes the Jewish faith.
Did you get that off a Jew hate board? The Zohar has NOTHING to do with crap like that, and any person who cares about truth would know that. The more I read here, the more sickened I am. Sometimes I wonder if I should just stand back and let everyone fight it out and kill each other, thing is, you folks ALWAYS drag the innocent down with you, just as in Iraq, Afghanistan, and a myraid number of other spots around the world throughout history where the ignorant have led the way to the slaughter of millions of innocent people.
You know what I REALLY think? I think religious zealots such as you are the cause of most of the evil on this earth. The Jews lied, the Christians lied, and the Muslims lied. They are ALL fucking crazy, and prefer death and suffering over life and peace. Go at it, do yourselves in. You most certainly deserve each other. In fact, isn't it your sort of "pastor" who calls the Jews "God's chosen"? Aren't you a Hagee worshipper? Myself, I think we are all children of the Creator, yet most are obviously his bastard children from some failed attempt at creating something special.
but the country does not define the religion, nor does the religion define the country. Zionism may or may not be classified as a religion, but it certainly isn't Judaism, it's political in nature, and not what constitutes the Jewish faith. Yes. The only difference is that these Muslim countries don't pretend to be democracies. They admit and are proud to be Muslim theocracies. Israel, on the other hand, pretends to be a democracy but the Jewish state is yet another ME theocracy. The religion most definitely does define the Jewish State. There is no argument regarding this fact, save for one you are attempting to make that makes no sense. Israel is a JEWISH state, hence defined by the Jewish religion. Zionism is the state of Israel and Israel is a Jewish State. It is the political extention of the Jewish religion. You are making some distinctions that defy logic.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
The Zohar is doesn't state that. However, the Talmud most definitely does teach that.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Show me where in the Old Testament God orders the Israelis to kill Palestinians in order to occupy the land, and torment them mercilessly. Does it say that in your Bible? I can't seem to find it in the versions I've seen. Show me where in the Old Testament it is ordered that an IDF be created, funded by an American state of so-called Christians. However, I CAN find references to "God" ordering "his children" to kill all the men, women, children, even the infants of their enemies. Of course their animals were condemned to die as well. Here's the KJV rendition of the verse (1 Samuel 15:3); More than likely the "Israelites" decided they needed "God" to not only approve of what they intended to do, they decided they wanted God to ORDER them to do it. What a convenient way to get away with genocide. Hence, Christianity is utter crap since the Old Testament IS pure BS, and whatever "New" version that exists is pure BS as well since it was based upon that "Old" which everyone thinks is satanic anyways by their own admission.
Let us go down after the Philistines by night and spoil them until the mornigh light, and let us not leave a man of them. Samuel, xiv, 36. The remnant of the Philistines shall perish, saith the Lord God. Amos, i, 8. The day that cometh to spoil ALL the Philistines. Jeremiah, xlvii, 4.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
I've heard many Internet rumors which make that claim, but have not seen any definitive proof that it's true. I'm sure the fact the books are written in Hebrew (or Aramic) doesn't help clarify anything, and at this point it's clear that mainstream religions are false belief systems anyways, so anything is possible.
The remnant of the Philistines shall perish, saith the Lord God. Amos, i, 8. The day that cometh to spoil ALL the Philistines. Jeremiah, xlvii, 4. So then you admit that Judaism and Christianity (and Islam by inference) are false religions?
Research it. You can find accounts written by multiple Christian teachings, from Catholic to Methodist, detailing exactly what is stated in the Talmud. There was a great deal written about the topic at the turn at the Century and during WWI by from numerous sources. The Talmud became a topic of interest as Christians churches were burned by the thousands in Russia while Synagogues were increasing in numbers, also as the 2% Jewish population held 40% of all government jobs as communism was implemented. Where do you think that Rabbi in Israel gets his ideas that the goyim are just slaves for Jews and that they should have a long life, like a donkey, to do the heavy lifting for the Jewish people? Do you think the Rabbi just came up with a new teaching? It's all in the Talmud and to any person who has an iota of knowledge about the Talmud the Rabbi's comments aren't even surprising.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
You asked where the Biblical teachings were and I provided a few answers. I do not make that claim that the Abrahamic faiths are false religions because it is disrespectful to people who hold these beliefs as sacred. I think all relgions offer something of value for people and it is not for me to judge. However, I do note the hypocricy and cherry picking of Biblical verses or Koran quotes to justify despicable behavior. Personally, I think the Christian faith would be lovely if people opted to follow the Sermon on the Mount. Sadly, few do.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
actually, i do. i always encourage dialogue & am one of the most diplomatic peacemaking posters here, if i can say so myself :-) i dont know about kaballah, other than its some sort of jewish mysticism taught in public schools in los angeles. & i knew you were into it, which doesn't mean i was accusing you of being a zionist jew, The broader note - peoples religion here, or lack thereof doesn't really concern me. i understand youre offended when you constantly see 'jew bashing' posts at 4um. you remind that Christians should be loving. That's a good point. However- when you constantly couple that point with your 'Religion is superstitious garbage, Christianity is a controlling farce, the bible is fictional nonsense' rhetoric, your previously valid points will be immediately rejected, as you attack the personal faith of your target audience. not an effective tactic at all.
"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13 I bash those who bash others, and find that there is much hypocrisy going around. At this point I can just shake my head and see why this world will never be peaceful, as most would rather just love to hate and use whatever excuse they can find to focus and target that hate. My first words here on this thread were that I found it " absolutely hypocritical that those who claim to follow the Jewish Messiah not only hate the Jewish Messiah's religion, but the very people who follow that religion. " That people over time corrupted that religion and made it something it was not is besides the point, as not all people of that faith believe in the mainstream faith, and some even believe that Jesus is the Messiah, but in the form of a prophet. Many here hold the false belief that Judaism in general is about hating Christians. There WOULD be no Jesus Christ if it were not for the foundation of Judaism, since Judaism predicates the fact that Jesus is said to be the Son of the Father, and that Father is the God of the Old Testament. Folks can believe whatever they want to believe that they find in books or make up themselves, but the thing is, many then use those beliefs as a basis for their hatred, and actually launch wars and kill people over it. That is where the line is crossed, and where I no longer hold my tongue. The majority of the reason we are killing people in Iraq and Afghanistan isn't because Israel wants it done, but because "Christians" here in THIS country believe it HAS to be done. Must kill those nasty Mooselum sand niggers ya know.
I personally think I should just study Buddism and give up trying to help people who don't want help. What will happen will happen, no matter what.
but the people here who focus on the 'evil jews' are not by any means among the pro war side. that is why i thought your remark above about worshiping Hagee was odd. if the poster doesn't like zionist jews, they certainly dont like hagee, & they arent scared of muslims, etc. They have looked for the man behind the curtain, & found a 'jew scoundrel' behind many of the world's problems.
"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13 in closing i will just reiterate that i acknowledge & concede your point that broadbrushing all jews & constantly obsessing on them is not proper .
"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13 Jesus himself proclaimed the Pharisees to be "of their father, the devil" ... was Jesus using rhetoric and hyperbole ? [Today's Rabbis claim to be the result of an unbroken chain that can be traced back to these Pharisees.] Try this. Look to the Bible for the Promises God made to Abraham (or google it) where the notion of a chosen people occurred. If God makes a promise and doesn't keep it is he still God ? Or, is it possible that God made a promise and kept it but most aren't perceptive enough to see past the dogma or doctrine that like most propaganda has a way of obscuring the truth. (Which, by the way, God describes Himself as "The Truth"). If you research the many promises made to Abraham regarding his descendants THROUGH ISAAC, JACOB (AKA - ISRAEL) you'll find that those calling themselves Jews today cannot demonstrate having received EVEN ONE of the promises. God made numerous promises that have been fulfilled but not by those calling themselves Jews. I propose that the proof is in the pudding. It's also relevant to keep in mind several factors. There were 12 Tribes receiving these promises, not just the tribe of Judah. One promise was that the heirs of the promise would become many nations. Another was that they'd be so numerous you couldn't count them. (We've been counting every single Jew on earth for 100 plus years). They were promised to be a blessing to all nations on earth. What we call Jews today have been expelled from every country they have been allowed into for criminal acts of oppression. These are just a few things to look at. If you want to see those that have fulfilled the promises made to Abraham's descendants ... look at the International Quality of Life Index for the Top 12 Countries with the highest quality of life.
"Politics and Religion are the building blocks of slavery and oppression. Greed is the mortar that bonds them" and bankers are the masons with trowels in hand !
All jews in good standing are political victim cultists. Victim cultism is the philosophical infrastructure of zionism, along with bible myths.
Buddhism is a wonderful study. I highly recommend it. Compassion is central, which includes helping even those who don't want help. : ) However, Buddhism will help you offer a greater depth into what it means to "help" which may be contrary to prior considerations. This comes through the practice of mindfulness. I am especially fond of the koans becasue they are mental puzzles to ponder on for an extended period of time. The Dhammapada begins: We are what we think. All that we are arises with our thoughts. With our thoughts we make the world. PS Buddhism is more of a philosophy and way of life than a religion.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin
Judaism is founded on the Talmud. Ask any Jew, they will tell you the Talmud is their most holy book. So you see, you don't have a clue what you are talking about, but that doesn't stop you does it? Seen any UFOs lately? LOL!
God is always good!
So what is the Torah Ricky? Is it the satanic bible? Guess what. The Torah is the 1st five books of the Old Testament. You see, the Old Testament is a Jew thing, and since Jesus was the Messiah of the religion of the Old Testament, well, guess where that leaves you and what you believe.
Do you think Jesus was a Southern Baptist?
Got any YouTube videos of Jesus walking on water? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
One last thing Ricky. When the SHTF, and there ARE lights in the sky and you don't know what they are, just cling to your Bible and ask Jesus for help. I'm sure that'll do you a bunch of good.
MODERN Zionist Jews and those who are not that bright might say the Talmud is the most Holy Book. Any TRUE religious Jew would say the TORAH is THE HOLIEST of BOOKS, since it is the word of Moses, who is the prophet who brought the people out of Egypt and received the 10 Commandments. Or, at least that's how the story goes. Embedded within the Hebrew of the Torah are entire bodies of knowledge using numerical codes, and those codes open the doors to the ORIGINAL TORAH, which was hidden from those who would misuse the knowledge contained therein.
The Roman Catholic Church defined Christianity. They wrote the New Testament. However, there is historical fact which disputes what they wrote. What do you think you know of Paul? Short story is, he had Jesus' followers rounded up and executed. Claiming to be an apostle, he wrote his version of the events, or someone writing under his name did. Those same authors or others, under supervision and authority of Rome, authored the OTHER Gospels as well.
LOL!! The infamous "when TSHTF" scenario is the always refereed to and eagerly looked for doomsday by the hysterics of both sides of the ideological aisle. You are right on only one thing, though. At the end of the age Christ will preserve His remnant. Guaranteed. Regardless of your 'TSHTF' bogyman.
Just keep believing that.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin
The Talmud ("instruction, learning", from a root "teach, study") is a central text of mainstream Judaism, in the form of a record of rabbinic discussions pertaining to Jewish law, ethics, philosophy, customs and history.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
In order for there to be true peace, which I define as a lack of a threat and not as a mere absence of conflict, then people need to have their right to be left alone honored and respected. That is what is keeping peace from being achieved. The abrahamic "faiths" do not respect or honor that right to be left alone. They're always butting in where they are not welcome. Their being butt-in-skis is a doctrinal imperative. This is why I have become a Satanist, or rather I always was one and didn't know it until recently. Satanism is (ideally) a religion of individualism. We go our own way. But as a grouping even that has its problems. Too many want to be a big fish in a very small pond. .
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#2. To: FormerLurker (#1)
#3. To: Brian D (#2)
Christ wasn't a Jew. He was an Israelite
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#4. To: Brian D (#2)
Christ warned us against the Jews.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#5. To: FormerLurker (#1)
#6. To: FormerLurker (#4)
#7. To: FormerLurker (#4)
#8. To: Eric Stratton (#5)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#9. To: FormerLurker (#4)
Jesus was a Jew. An Essene Jew, not a Pharisee, but a Jew nonetheless
#10. To: FormerLurker (#8)
#11. To: Eric Stratton (#5)
Christians need to consider what's truthful!
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#12. To: FormerLurker (#8)
#13. To: Eric Stratton (#10)
You tell me?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#14. To: FormerLurker (#11)
#15. To: FormerLurker (#13)
#16. To: FormerLurker (#13)
#17. To: Eric Stratton (#7)
As well FL, Christ spoke of spiritual things. Eph. 6:12 was part of that.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#18. To: Googolplex (#9)
#19. To: FormerLurker (#3)
Do you know the difference between a religion and a country?
#20. To: FormerLurker (#4)
and they called their religion Judaism.
#21. To: Turtle (#18)
(Edited)
Jesus was not a Jew. There were no "Jews" in that day. The evidence is that he was a Pharisee.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#22. To: randge (#20)
You realize of course that "Judaism" is a latinate English word.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#23. To: abraxas (#19)
In a theocracy, such as the "Jewish State" of Israel pretending to be a democracy, there is no difference.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#24. To: FormerLurker (#1)
#25. To: FormerLurker (#22)
You realize of course that "Judaism" is a latinate English word.
Yes of course it's an English word, but it means the religion of the Old Testament.
#26. To: ghostdogtxn (#24)
Our messiah accurately termed his "religion" the synagogue of satan.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#27. To: randge (#25)
Question
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#28. To: FormerLurker (#27)
In the early 1st millennium BCE, Judaism got its name from "Judah", the land of the Hebrews. We find the term “Judaism” used in the first century CE by Greek- speaking Jews. References include the Second Book of Maccabees 2:21 and 8:1. “Yahadut” or “dat Yahadut” is used infrequently in medieval commentaries, e.g. Ibn Ezra, but it is used extensively in modern Jewish history.
Well, that takes us back to the 2nd Century BC, I guess. That well postdates the time of the Hebrews who I don't believe you can document to have ever called themselves Jews or to have called their religion Judaism.
#29. To: randge (#28)
That well postdates the time of the Hebrews who I don't believe you can document to have ever called themselves Jews or to have called their religion Judaism.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#30. To: FormerLurker (#29)
#31. To: FormerLurker (#26)
#32. To: FormerLurker (#1)
Aren't Christians supposed to preach love and peace, not hatred of others?
#33. To: RickyJ (#32)
#34. To: FormerLurker (#3)
Do you know the difference between a religion and a country?
#35. To: RickyJ (#32)
#36. To: Brian D (#2)
#37. To: randge (#30)
No one that treats the subject seriously calls the Hebrews Jews. As you know, this word refers to the tribe of Judah who constitute but one of the Twelve Tribes. The term Jew is properly applied to the people of largely Hebrew extraction who returned to Palestine after the Captivity. Judaism refers to the religion that emerged from the time of the Captivity and which had incorporated a number of Babylonian elements.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#38. To: RickyJ (#34)
Without the cult of Judaism Israel wouldn't exist today.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#39. To: ghostdogtxn (#31)
What makes you think the Jews worship God?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#40. To: RickyJ (#32)
Exposing the cult of Judaism is not hate, it is proclaiming the truth. If you think exposing the truth of Judaism is equal to hate then you should feel welcome with those that practice Judaism today, they think the same thing.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#41. To: randge (#30)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#42. To: FormerLurker (#1)
Aren't Christians supposed to preach love and peace, not hatred of others?
#43. To: FormerLurker (#39)
#44. To: Eric Stratton (#15)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#45. To: FormerLurker (#1)
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#46. To: Artisan (#45)
didn't you post once that you practice kabbalah?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#47. To: FormerLurker (#46)
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#48. To: Eric Stratton (#14)
Funny though, I don't recall Christ sponsoring such things, even in his most distant indirect references. I do recall him calling for peace.
Best Movie Monologue
#49. To: FormerLurker (#17)
(Edited)
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...teachings were far different than those formulated by the Roman Catholic Church and the "apostle" Paul. Of all human knowledge, that which is of greatest value is to know the religious life of Jesus and how He lived it.
Best Movie Monologue
#50. To: Artisan (#47)
it sounds now like you're favorable to it, & i had thought you had posted that you had dabbled in it. i point this out because that would indicate your bias & defensiveness regarding the jews. no?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#51. To: FormerLurker (#23)
#52. To: Itistoolate (#0)
#53. To: Max (#52)
#54. To: Itistoolate (#0)
#55. To: abraxas (#51)
You ask if others know the difference between a religion and a country, but within the country we are discussing there is no differnce. It is a "Jewish state" despite pretending to be a democracy.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#56. To: Max (#54)
Zohar (1, 160a): Jews MUST ALWAYS try to deceive Christians.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#57. To: Itistoolate, Max (#53)
still formerlurker thinks they are G_d's "chosen people"
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#58. To: FormerLurker (#55)
And Saudi Arabia and many other Middle Eastern countries are Muslim states
#59. To: FormerLurker (#56)
The Zohar has NOTHING to do with crap like that
#60. To: abraxas (#58)
The religion most definitely does define the Jewish State. There is no argument regarding this fact, save for one you are attempting to make that makes no sense. Israel is a JEWISH state, hence defined by the Jewish religion.
Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.
If anything, the more I read of the Old Testament the more I realize what utter crap it is, where NO loving God would do what is cited.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#61. To: FormerLurker (#60)
Show me where in the Old Testament God orders the Israelis to kill Palestinians in order to occupy the land, and torment them mercilessly.
#62. To: abraxas (#59)
However, the Talmud most definitely does teach that.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#63. To: abraxas (#61)
Let us go down after the Philistines by night and spoil them until the mornigh light, and let us not leave a man of them. Samuel, xiv, 36.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#64. To: FormerLurker (#62)
I've heard many Internet rumors which make that claim, but have not seen any definitive proof that it's true.
#65. To: FormerLurker (#63)
So then you admit that Judaism and Christianity (and Islam by inference) are false religions?
#66. To: FormerLurker (#50)
you should try to understand things
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#67. To: Artisan (#66)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#68. To: abraxas (#65)
Personally, I think the Christian faith would be lovely if people opted to follow the Sermon on the Mount. Sadly, few do.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#69. To: FormerLurker (#67)
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#70. To: FormerLurker (#67)
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#71. To: FormerLurker (#67)
(Edited)
Many here hold the false belief that Judaism in general is about hating Christians. There WOULD be no Jesus Christ if it were not for the foundation of Judaism, since Judaism predicates the fact that Jesus is said to be the Son of the Father, and that Father is the God of the Old Testament.
#72. To: FormerLurker (#23)
and not all Jews are Zionists
#73. To: FormerLurker (#68)
(Edited)
I personally think I should just study Buddhism and give up trying to help people who don't want help.
#74. To: FormerLurker (#17)
#75. To: FormerLurker (#44)
#76. To: FormerLurker (#4)
(Edited)
You see, Judaism is the religion of the Old Testament
#77. To: RickyJ (#76)
So you see, you don't have a clue what you are talking about, but that doesn't stop you does it? Seen any UFOs lately? LOL!
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#78. To: RickyJ (#76)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#79. To: RickyJ (#76)
Seen any UFOs lately? LOL!
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#80. To: RickyJ (#76)
(Edited)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#81. To: RickyJ (#76)
Judaism is founded on the Talmud. Ask any Jew, they will tell you the Talmud is their most holy book.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#82. To: Eric Stratton (#74)
The Roman Catholic Church's teachings are so far off what those of Christ are and the reality of the situation that it's folly for me to even consider that premise.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#83. To: FormerLurker (#80)
#84. To: Brian D (#83)
You are right on only one thing, though. At the end of the age Christ will preserve His remnant. Guaranteed. Regardless of your 'TSHTF' bogyman.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#85. To: FormerLurker (#82)
#86. To: FormerLurker (#81)
Any TRUE religious Jew would say the TORAH is THE HOLIEST of BOOKS, since it is the word of Moses, who is the prophet who brought the people out of Egypt and received the 10 Commandments.
#87. To: FormerLurker, abraxas, artisan, all (#67)
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At this point I can just shake my head and see why this world will never be peaceful, as most would rather just love to hate and use whatever excuse they can find to focus and target that hate.
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#88. To: randge (#25)
I don't know, but Hebrew is related to Arabic for Whadi, or gully or drainage probably relating to the region of southern Yemen where the tribe appears to have originated. According to Arabic tradition, this tribe was the one to domesticate the camel, 2000 bc or so.
in Hebrew?
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#89. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#42)
Thanks for clearing that up. I was wondering.
That's old school "liberal" Christianity man! Today's "real" Christians know that Jesus was a God of War and that Christians have a duty to kill Muslim's and wipe them off of the face of the Earth while making the world safe for Democracy! Jesus was a Republican.
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
#90. To: Eric Stratton (#85)
Who do you think wiped out the Essenes? BTW, what makes you think Paul was a "believer"? From ESSENE CHRISTIANITY VERSUS PAULIANITY In The Story of Christian Origins, Martin Larson writes: "Paul declares that... the Elect may even eat meat sacrificed to idols.... Whereas Jesus honored women and found in them His most devoted followers, Paul never tires of proclaiming their inferiority. He declares that, man is the head of the woman and she must always submit to his will.... Whereas the Essenes proclaimed equality among the Brethren [the Essenes were the first people on earth to condemn and forbid the practice of slavery], Paul repeatedly declares that Christian slaves must be obedient to their Christian masters." In one of the best books on early Christianity, Those Incredible Christians, Dr. Hugh Schonfield reports: "For the Apostolic Church much that Paul taught was grievous error not at all in accord with the mind and message of the Messiah. The original Apostles could urge that the truth was known by them. But Paul had never companied with Jesus or heard what he said day after day [remember: Paul had never even met Jesus], and Paul's visions were the delusions of this own misguided mind.... "It was not only the teaching and activities of Paul which made him obnoxious to the Christian leaders: but their awareness that he set his revelations above their authority and claimed an intimacy with the mind of Jesus, greater than that of those who had companied with him on earth and had been chosen by him.... It was an abomination, especially as his ideas were so contrary to what they knew of Jesus, that he should pose as the embodiment of the Messiah's will.... Paul was seen as the demon-driven enemy of the Messiah.... For the legitimate Church, Paul was a dangerous and disruptive influence, bent on enlisting a large following among the Gentiles in order to provide himself with a numerical superiority with the support of which he could set at defiance the Elders at Jerusalem. Paul had been the enemy from the beginning, and because he failed in his former open hostility he had craftily insinuated himself into the fold to destroy it from within." Paul did round up christians and kill them, before becoming a believer himself. Or have you got some other relatively concrete evidence to the contrary.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#91. To: abraxas (#86)
A Jew who wishes to claim he is religious might simply listen to a rabbi wail about the Talmud. Spiritual Jews know that the Torah is the path to true awareness of God, and Kabbalah is the map for that path. Remember, the Talmud is just the words of rabbis from 1800 years ago or so, with more being added over time. The words of rabbis certainly don't carry more weight than the proclaimed words of the Prophets.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#92. To: FormerLurker (#90)
Schonfield was a Jew who termed himself a "Nazarene", meaning that he believed, as a Jew, that the Messiah, as predicted in Judaism's Hebrew Bible, had come in the person of Jesus. Schonfield wrote The Passover Plot, a book whose thesis is that the Crucifixion was part of a larger, conscious attempt by Jesus to fulfill the Messianic expectations rampant in his time, and that the plan went unexpectedly wrong. Schonfield not only read between the lines, but between the lines was the only place he did read. He did not even know the lines were there. His description of Christ and the New Testament is as old as Jewish opposition to the faith in Jesus as the Messiah and God's Son. It goes back as far as the first proclamation of the hope of Israel to the Greek world. He claims thinks that Jesus did not rise from the dead, but that the grief-stricken followers only imagined that they had seen and spoken with someone whom they later assumed to be the Master. His idea was to make the followers of Jesus merely another sect within the Jewish fold, where sectarianism was not looked upon with disfavor at all. Those who wished to recognize Jesus as the Messiah could become proselytes by being circumcised and promising allegiance to the Torah. The fact is that Paul labored constantly and tirelessly to avoid a division between Jewish and non-Jewish believers. He declared that the gospel he proclaimed was "the power of God unto salvation," to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. He affirmed that in Christ Jesus there is neither Jew nor Greek, but all are one in Christ. What heretics like Schonfield brand as fanaticism results because they will not accept Jesus as the true Messiah. His bias against the resurrection of Christ shapes his thinking. It is he who must make unjustifiable deductions to sustain a theory that would be laughed out of court, if it were not for its serious consequences in the hearts and lives of carnal and uninformed readers. The day will come, and it is not too far distant, when books by Schonfield will not be remembered or recognized. One day you will search for it in vain in the bookstores of our land. It will go out of print and disappear with its author, leaving no permanent mark upon the earth. The "shocker" of today will shock no one tomorrow. But the writings of the one-time Jewish rabbinical student who met Jesus on the Damascus road will live on. His poignant statement made after this momentous event, "He which persecuted us...now preacheth the faith which once he destroyed" (Galatians 1:23) will give courage to the hearts of millions yet to come, if Jesus does not return first. W. Carl Ketcherside
#93. To: FormerLurker (#91)
Actually, for Talmudic Jews, the Talmud is more important than the Torah. Most of the Israeli settlers are Talmudic Jews. All Rabbis are schooled in Talmud, so it does carry a lot of weight because the belief is that one cannot understand the Torah without the Talmud teachings. The Kabbalah has a mixed acceptance within the Jewish Faith. This is because there was a Kabbalist who was deemed to be the long awaited Messiah. However, he was captured by the Sultan and offered his life or conversion to Muslim Islam. He and five of his followers converted and many Jewish folks blamed Kabbalah. Shortly after this the Kabbalah was, once again, only taught to the select few. Only recently has it come to be "Kabbalah for all" and even that isn't the entire teaching. Many Rabbis aren't happy about this new Kabbalah resurgence.
The words of rabbis certainly don't carry more weight than the proclaimed words of the Prophets.
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#94. To: FormerLurker (#17)
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin
#95. To: Eric Stratton (#94) (Edited)
The New Testament is the teachings of Paul, not Jesus. You'd have to dig up Essene teachings in order to find out what Jesus would have taught. Basically, their teachings promote non-violence, prohibit the consumption of animal flesh, and involve spiritual work and meditation. Google should help you find what you're looking for.
So answer me, where do those lines break?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#96. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#92)
If you look, there is an abundance of evidence that the New Testament was not written by the original apostles, and/or rewritten using some of the original documents as a guide. Have you ever heard of the Council of Nicea? It occured in 325 AD, quite some time after Jesus died. That is where the NT texts were actually written. As far as Paul, his teachings differ from what Jesus would have taught, and the rest of the NT follow HIS teachings not that of the historical Jesus, since Jesus would have taught Nazarene doctrine, which were in many ways opposite that taught by Paul who had never even met Jesus.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#97. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#92)
Here's something you might want to check out...
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#98. To: FormerLurker (#95)
You don't have a clue. Lie after lie is all you know because you follow your father the devil. That's why you defend the devil worshiping Jews.
The New Testament is the teachings of Paul, not Jesus.
God is always good!
#99. To: RickyJ (#98)
If you want to know who's lying here Ricky, just follow the link to how the New Testament came about. I'm sure it's not the story your pastor will give you, if he even talks about it all. The article I linked is based upon mountains of historical evidence, indisputable evidence in fact. Did you know that the earliest known form of the New Testament, the Sinai Bible, is drastically different from later editions? You base your life on lies, then have the audacity to call someone who is trying to steer people away from pure hatred a liar. If anything, it is your own belief system that is of the devil.
You don't have a clue. Lie after lie is all you know because you follow your father the devil. That's why you defend the devil worshiping Jews.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#100. To: RickyJ (#98)
And oh yeah, supposedly your man god called that Jewish god his father.
That's why you defend the devil worshiping Jews.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#101. To: RickyJ (#98) (Edited)
What it comes down to is that most religions on earth have been responsible for the suffering and misery that have plagued Mankind since the dawn of civilization. It is has been a tool for the elite to control the masses of people over the eons of time, and serves its purpose to this day quite well. No proof of anything is needed, just a guy with a pedestal to preach from and a stack of paper and ink in his hands written by authors who were told to create what they created by the king, emperor, or pope. It most certainly wasn't "God" who influenced them. Hell, some have even made stuff up themselves out of thin air to suit whatever purpose matched their own personal agendas.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#102. To: FormerLurker, All (#95)
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin
#103. To: FormerLurker, RickyJ (#101)
Zionists Nixon & Graham Flabbergasted by the Jews
#104. To: Eric Stratton (#102)
I'm not even sure if all of the Essene stuff is true, it just would seem that a lot of it probably is. In terms of what actual history reveals, have you read the link in post #97?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#105. To: Itistoolate (#103)
What it all comes down to is that ALL religions are corrupt, and all point fingers at each other as to who is evil. They are ALL evil for the most part.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#106. To: FormerLurker (#105) (Edited)
all religions are gov't controlled (501c3) Nixon's Secret Tapes re. Jewish Dominion Over US Media
#107. To: FormerLurker (#104)
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin
#108. To: FormerLurker (#105) (Edited)
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin
#109. To: Eric Stratton (#108)
It is, since he more than likely never existed. In fact, even if he did, God wouldn't need to embody himself into a man and die on the cross to make a point. He could just speak from the clouds if He wanted to. In fact, it's against the 10 Commandments to worship an idol or false god. I guess that's why "christians" wish to condemn Judaism as satanic, since to obey the 10 Commandments would mean to stop worshipping Jesus. It depends if you want to remove Jesus from the origins of the faith and claim all that counts is what he said, even though what "he said" was fabricated by those at the Council of Nicea and appended, changed, modified, and otherwise spun for the next 1000 years before ever making it into an English bible.
Christ however is not a religion. To follow him is not a religion.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#110. To: Eric Stratton (#108) (Edited)
If anything I'd take the Essene side of the story, since if Jesus DID exist, he WOULD have been an Essene due to not only his place of birth, but the fact that there are historical claims that he WAS an Essene, they really did exist, and they were a peaceful and spiritual people. I have not heard of ONE war they were involved in. In fact, most if not all of the original Essenes were wiped out by Rome due to their failure to defend themselves through violence. Like you said, I haven't seen too many people like that walking around these days.
I know so very few people that simply follow Christ in the ultimate of simplicity that it is, and none that walk into church doors on Sundays.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#111. To: Eric Stratton (#107)
Tony Bushby The research the man did and the references to respected sources cannot be denied. Have you looked up anything he listed as evidence, such as the Sinai Bible, or the actual historical references to the Council of Nicea?
Have you seen this one;
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#112. To: Itistoolate (#106)
Well finally we agree on something.
all religions are gov't controlled (501c3)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#113. To: FormerLurker (#109) (Edited)
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin
#114. To: FormerLurker (#110)
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin
#115. To: FormerLurker (#111)
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin
#116. To: FormerLurker (#111)
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin
#117. To: Eric Stratton (#113)
Two words. Hesus Krishna
I also don't think that you're aware of the history of the Council of Nicea as it relates to Christ? I don't see much to link the two frankly
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#118. To: Eric Stratton (#114)
I don't have "a site". Which link are you referring to?
That's not exactly what your site says.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#119. To: Eric Stratton (#116)
Which question?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#120. To: Eric Stratton (#115)
The existence of that which is God doesn't depend on the existence of any man.
You then have absolutely no frame of reference for God.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#121. To: FormerLurker (#44)
I'd say the Christians have on a whole caused more suffering than the Jews have, when you consider the various Inquisitions, witch trials, Crusades, and other such matters. Show me the math.
I see misery and suffering caused by BOTH the Jewish and Christian religions, as well as that caused by the Islamic religion.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#122. To: FormerLurker (#109) (Edited)
He could just speak from the clouds if He wanted to. So, He didn't need Hebrews/Jews either to write down their oral traditions and Chosenite dogma and market it as the Word of God? You are aware, aren't you, that Jews have 72 names for God to represent His various manifestations?
God wouldn't need to embody himself into a man and die on the cross to make a point.
In fact, it's against the 10 Commandments to worship an idol or false god. [sic] to obey the 10 Commandments would mean to stop worshipping Jesus.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#123. To: GreyLmist (#121)
Well for an example, how many Christians don't wholeheartedly support the killing going on over there in Iraq and Afghanistan? But not even including that, how many people were hidiously tortured to death by the Church itself in the first 1000 years of its history? How many were killed by the various Crusades? I don't recall reading about any religious persecution perpetrated by the Jews back then. In fact, they were among the ones being persecuted.
Show me the math.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#124. To: GreyLmist (#122)
Correct. In fact, much of what's in the Old Testament is derived from earlier legends from other civilizations, such as the Sumerian Epic of Gilgamesh. There are MANY earlier "Sons of God" across various civilizations as well, such as Mithras, Krishna, Buddha, and quite a few others.
So, He didn't need Hebrews/Jews either to write down their oral traditions and Chosenite dogma and market it as the Word of God
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#125. To: GreyLmist (#122)
They all convey a different aspect of the same God.
You are aware, aren't you, that Jews have 72 names for God to represent His various manifestations?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#126. To: FormerLurker (#123) (Edited)
How many Jews don't? Moreover, how many percentagewise of their group? How many by the Hebrews in the Old Testament, and without so much as any offer to convert? How many by Jewish led Communism? Back when? After the Old Testament slaughters by their forebears? Even the New Testament speaks of Jews as persecutors.
Well for an example, how many Christians don't wholeheartedly support the killing going on over there in Iraq and Afghanistan?
But not even including that, how many people were hidiously tortured to death by the Church itself in the first 1000 years of its history?
How many were killed by the various Crusades?
I don't recall reading about any religious persecution perpetrated by the Jews back then. In fact, they were among the ones being persecuted.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#127. To: FormerLurker (#125)
Elaborate on why you are seemingly ok with that but not with Jesus as a manifestation of God.
They all convey a different aspect of the same God.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#128. To: GreyLmist (#127)
The various names of the one God, such as Lord God, I Am, etc., all relate to the One God. Jesus was a man, a human being who walked the earth (if he actually did that is). It's like calling a tree a star. You can call it that, but it doesn't mean it is one.
Elaborate on why you are seemingly ok with that but not with Jesus as a manifestation of God.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#129. To: GreyLmist (#126)
You don't need to convince me that both Christianity and Judaism are bogus and evil. I already know. No loving God would order the murder of innocent men, women, and children (including infants). See 1 Samuel 15:3 In fact, a true God who created the Universe and all within it would not need to order his "children" to do anything of the sort. In the blink of an eye he could devastate a nation or the entire planet, and would not need the help of humans to accomplish his wishes. Thus, since Christianity is based upon the Jewish Scriptures, and more than likely was created out of various religions with similar man gods, it is equally false.
Back when? After the Old Testament slaughters by their forebears? Even the New Testament speaks of Jews as persecutors.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#130. To: FormerLurker (#129)
I already know. I'm not trying to convince you of that. You argued that Christianity had caused more suffering and I contested that calculation. But let's discuss which has endeavored the most historically to ease suffering -- not monetarily but doctrinally and, more importantly, hands-on ministerially to the downtrodden and afflicted. Or, we could return to the original topic and discuss Brother Kapner's interview. In fact, a true God who created the Universe and all within it would not need to order his "children" to do anything of the sort. In the blink of an eye he could devastate a nation or the entire planet, and would not need the help of humans to accomplish his wishes. No argument from me but you seem to be of the opinion that the Creator of the universe and life itself couldn't manifest in human form if He wanted to do that. What's the rationale behind limiting Him so? Long story short, Christianity is like the expression of the Creator's command: Let there be Light. Sure, humans have not been perfect examples of that but let's talk about Judaism. Or is it Jew-Deism? Or maybe Jew-Daism, with kind of a focus on Nature?
You don't need to convince me that both Christianity and Judaism are bogus and evil.
No loving God would order the murder of innocent men, women, and children (including infants). See 1 Samuel 15:3
Thus, since Christianity is based upon the Jewish Scriptures, and more than likely was created out of various religions with similar man gods, it is equally false.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#131. To: FormerLurker (#123)
On the subject of the Crusades, it seems that you then want to disassociate Christianity from Jewish scriptures but there is evidence that a big motive of the Crusades was to re-enthrone a Davidic bloodline in the Holy Land. Do you agree or disagree? I'd also like to hear what you think of Br. Kapner's assessment that if you put two Jews in a room for a week, by the end of the week they'll have formed 25 groups -- all of them Jewish oriented. I thought it was funny but probably not a big exaggeration. How about you?
How many were killed by the various Crusades?
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#132. To: GreyLmist (#130)
You could argue that He or She (or It) could manifest as a cockroach or a bat, but that doesn't mean He or She would. The very people whom you distrust so much are the same people who supposedly delivered a Messiah to the world. I find it odd that you trust them with that sort of story, yet distrust them in anything else. If you delve into the origins of the New Testament, you'll find some extremely dubious history there, and if you follow the known trail of it's existing editions, you'll find words, verses, and entire chapters inserted, omitted, or otherwise modified over time. Look up Codex Sinaiticus, that might be a good start.
No argument from me but you seem to be of the opinion that the Creator of the universe and life itself couldn't manifest in human form if He wanted to do that. What's the rationale behind limiting Him so?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#133. To: GreyLmist (#131)
Whatever the motive, how does this fit in with a religion formulated to worship and follow a "Prince of Peace"?
On the subject of the Crusades, it seems that you then want to disassociate Christianity from Jewish scriptures but there is evidence that a big motive of the Crusades was to re-enthrone a Davidic bloodline in the Holy Land. Do you agree or disagree?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#134. To: GreyLmist (#131)
BTW, what sort of peaceful and holy people would inflict the sick sadistic forms of torture imposed upon those who refused to believe the state mandated religion of christianty, or were even just accused of an infraction against it? The Inquisitions victims included men, women, children, and even babies. 10 Most Frightening Torture Techniques from the Middle Ages From INQUISITION With pope innocent v111 issuance of his papal bull against witches in 1484, the torture of people accused of being a witch reached fanatical proportions. The worst tortures of the inquisition occured in Germany and France. Millions of innocent people were tortured and murdered during the inquisition. The inquisitors followed procedures set forth by the dominican monks of pope innocent v111. At first the poor accused were told to confess. They were then stripped naked, shaved, pricked with needles for insensitive spots and then examined for marks of the devil. Before the torture started, the victim was told what was about to happen and in many cases this forced the accused to commit to whatever the inquisitors wanted. It was noted that a person who refused to talk even under torture was being aided by the devil. While the poor victim was being tortured a clerk recorded what was said. In many cases the clerk recorded things that were not even said. Each subsequent round of torture was much worse than the one before. The torturer was paid out of seized funds belonging to the victim. If the victim had no money then the relatives were made to pay. While the poor victims screamed with pain the childish tortures carried on like sadistic maniacs. They sprayed there instruments with so called holy water, wore amulets, herbs and crossed themselves. The exact method of torture varied from place to place. The rack was well used in France during the inquisition. Some victims were horsewhipped. A sharp iron fork was used to mangle breasts. Red hot pincers were used to tear off flesh. Red hot irons were inserted up vaginas and rectums. A device named the turcas was used to tear out fingernails. After the nails were ripped out needles were shoved into the quicks. Boots called bootikens were used to lacerate flesh and crush bone. Thumbscrews were used to crush the fingers and toes. Acid was poured on victims and hands were immersed into pots of boiling oil and water. Eyes were gouged out by irons. Alcohol was poured on the head of the poor victim and set alight. Water was poured down the victims throat with a notted cloth. The cloth was then jerked out tearing up the victims bowels. There was no limit to the types and cruelty of the tortures. The inquisition meant anything was allowed. The inquisitors were sadistic and mentally disturbered. Even after the poor victims confessed to things they never did more torture was to follow. On the way to the stake or gallows victims were flogged, burned, branded and had their hands and tongues hacked off. By the 17th century as the catholic church began to loose power the inquisition began to collapse. Millions had died as a result of the inquisition, including men, women, children and babys. In 1320 the inquisition added witchcraft to its list of heresies. Many styles of torture had been invented during the inquisition so as to inflict the most horrific pain on the poor victim without killing them. The worst of these were turned upon those accused of witchcraft.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#135. To: GreyLmist (#131)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#136. To: FormerLurker (#132)
You: You could argue that He or She (or It) could manifest as a cockroach or a bat, but that doesn't mean He or She would. How about a burning bush? Doesn't seem a big stretch of the imagination from there to me that He would think a human form might be a step for Him after the plantlife experience.
Me: you seem to be of the opinion that the Creator of the universe and life itself couldn't manifest in human form if He wanted to do that. What's the rationale behind limiting Him so?
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#137. To: FormerLurker (#133)
Well, that's one of His titles from Isaiah 9:6 -- towards the end of the list, though. Since we're talking about Catholics, I'm going to reference the Douay- Rheims version of the Bible: For a CHILD IS BORN to us, and a son is given to us, and the government is upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called, Wonderful, Counsellor, God the Mighty, the Father of the world to come, the Prince of Peace. Matthew 10:34 says: Do not think that I came to send peace upon earth: I came not to send peace, but the sword. Personally, I think of it as the sword of Truth, which is divisive but can lead to a spiritual peace, if not an earthly peace due to the obstinance of others who reject the Truth. But in the age of the Crusaders, people might have been more apt to see it as a weapon of war for God the Mighty. It was a very long time ago and diplomacy probably wasn't as much of a priority back then. Even these days it's still not as high a priority as it should be to prevent war. Wouldn't it be Wonderful if the world could wise up enough soon through the teachings and examples He reflects for everyone to live here in Peace? I think so.
how does this [the Crusades] fit in with a religion formulated to worship and follow a "Prince of Peace"?
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#138. To: GreyLmist (#137)
Yaba yaba doo, bible bible bible. You have anything more authoritive?
Well, that's one of His titles from Isaiah 9:6
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#139. To: GreyLmist (#137)
to see they are being fed bullshit. Yes, it would.
Wouldn't it be Wonderful if the world could wise up enough
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#140. To: GreyLmist (#137)
You see GreyLmist, the bible to me is not authoritive, and as much as some people like to think it is, I'm not one of those people.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#141. To: FormerLurker (#134) (Edited)
The Inquisitions victims included men, women, children, and even babies. 10 Most Frightening Torture Techniques from the Middle Ages From INQUISITION You really don't want to discuss Br. Kapner's interview for some reason, do ya? I can't imagine why. He does profess to be a Christian but was born a Jew, so you might be somewhat more receptive to his wavelength than a Christian Gentile's. He's even kind of humorous sometimes. We could debate why the Church was so barbarically primitive hundreds of years ago or milleniums ago and why people in it still aren't models of perfection; why they might have taken literally Old Testament dictats not to suffer witches to live, therefore the Inquistion was not merely a question of tyrants being intolerant of other belief systems; how much stock they may have put in the influences of merciless, Jewish scriptural models or covert Marrano Jews in their midst maybe advising them in those directions to make the Church into an object of scorn; what they considered their duty in battles against what they considered demonic; how Jews and other religions weren't subject to the Inquision's jurisdiction, just people who professed to be Catholics; and on and on. I got the impression, though, from your earlier posts here that even the suggestion of some Marrano Jews perhaps having less than angelic motives and influences within the power structure of the Church and its governance might annoy you as an adjudicator of verdicts like "You hate the Jews," or not. I'd much rather discuss the timelier Kapner interview than tortured histories. I'm thinking that would be the polite thing to do, FL -- at least some small commentary on your part as to the context of it, other than a dismissal out-of- hand as anti-semitic -- since his views as an insider are what the thread was intended to be about. If you don't want to listen to it but could give an opinion on the bit I cited that I thought was funny and probably not far off- base, that would suffice.
BTW, what sort of peaceful and holy people would inflict the sick sadistic forms of torture imposed upon those who refused to believe the state mandated religion of christianty, or were even just accused of an infraction against it?
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#142. To: FormerLurker (#138) (Edited)
Jumpin' Jehoshaphat, FL! You're the one who referenced the Biblical title, "Prince of Peace". What would you prefer me to reference in response as more authoritative about that? The New York Times? I hope not. It's not what I consider a trusty source, like you don't think the Bible is.
Yaba yaba doo, bible bible bible. You have anything more authoritive?
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
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