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Title: Work Till 70? Yes, if Boehner and Republicans Have Their Way
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Published: Oct 30, 2010
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Post Date: 2010-10-30 09:40:47 by tom007
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Work Till 70? Yes, if Boehner and Republicans Have Their Way by Mike Hall, Oct 26, 2010 Bookmark and Share 426Share If Republicans take over Congress, House Republican Minority Leader John Boehner says he will move to raise the Social Security retirement age to 70. That might not seem to be a big deal to someone who has spent his life in cushy offices with fancy perks, luxury cars, good health care and not much heavy lifting. But for millions of seniors in physically demanding jobs, it’s a big, big deal. A new TV ad from Protecting America’s Retirees, an independent project of the Alliance for Retired Americans, takes a light-hearted look at the very serious subject of forcing seniors to stay on the job until age 70. The ad will air in five closely contested House races in Arizona, Iowa, Ohio and Pennsylvania and in the Pennsylvania Senate race between Rep. Joe Sestak (D), who has vowed to strengthen Social Security, and Rep. Pat Toomey, who wants to raise the retirement age and privatize Social Security. The ad reaches out to seniors who may be voting for Republicans because they want change. You’re hoping things will change? Hope you’re also planning to stay on the job. Because at least one change means seniors will have to work. And work. And keep right on working. Yes—that’s right. The Republican leadership wants to raise your retirement age to 70. The ad shows, among others, a firefighter, construction worker, delivery person and lifeguard struggling on the job in their later years. Alliance Executive Director Edward F. Coyle asks: Can you imagine working until 70? In physically demanding jobs like manufacturing, construction, and the service sector, I just don’t see how you can. In September, The New York Times took an in-depth look at the toll physically demanding jobs take on older workers. Click here. Print This Article | E-Mail This Article |Comments (34) Tags: Alliance for Retired Americans, Joe Sestak, John Boehner, labor, Labor 2010, Pat Toomey, Protecting America’s Retirees, Social Security, union, union blogs, unions, Working Families Vote Channels: Legislation & Politics, Working Families Vote
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#1. To: tom007 (#0)
Krugman, the AFL-CIO. What other leftist garbage are you going to post? Old Chairman Mao or Vladimir Lenin speeches? You forgot to post the article about Republicans starving old people and wanting them to die.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone. - Zhuangzi
So the Rs alone are going to chain the legs of the American workers to their work stations and made to eat gruel until they drop? The AFLCIO? Please. Tom, try again.
Sorry, Tom, but this ain't France. When the longevity of Americans has increased by at least 10 years since the retirement age was established, some adjustment has to be made. Essentially, you need to return to a system like the original SS where at least half the citizens die before collecting SS. SS was to avert abject elderly poverty. It was never meant to be a retirement plan for the masses. If that's what you want, invest wisely.
Bernie Madoff shares your sentiment, no doubt.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" does toomey want to raise the ss age? if so the source, albeit leftwing, did its job
"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13 the criminal government steals ss from everyones checks, by force, all their lives. they should not wait till 70 to get a portion of it back. that is wrong thinking.
"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13 Olde Age Assistance was never meant to be a sole source of retirement income. Somehow people got the foolish notion that .gov was going to take care of them when their working days were over, and are belatedly awakening to reality.
it shouldn't exist, period. they shouldn't steal $ from people every week. but since they do, the notion that the workers have an inproper 'entitlement / dependent mentality' for expecting a small portion of the returns on THEIR OWN $#@ MONEY back is incorrect, & harkens back to a republican establishment mindset.
"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13 You're correct. Like all entitlement programs, it has morphed into a fiscal monster that will prove to be most difficult to ever slay.
that piece of filth pat toomey, gop zionist war on terra' shill who couldn't even beat arlen specter, does not want to abolish the ss system. nor does he not want to abolish the federal reserve. he only wants to keep stealing it & not give it back. typical thug punk bitch.
"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13 see post # 10
"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13 Starve to death! Yes, if Obama and Democrats Have Their Way So, when do you plan to start the revolt?
And where would you "invest wisely" right now? All the markets and banks are rigged right now to bankrupt consumers. Outside of guns and ammo, I see no place to put money in right now for the long term, as in decades.
I have a wonderful way to begin to perserve ss. LETS KICK ILLEGALS OFF THE DOLE, AND THEN OUT OF THE COUNTRY. Once they're gone, lets see what has to be done to save these programs for American citizens.
Great idea, may I also suggest we revoke the citizenship of all anchor babies and deport them too?
WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)
I am already revolting.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" A very sane idea, one that every other nation on the planet adheres to.
I believe I read that there is pending legislation to clarify the 14th to state that if your parents, or mother, is here illegally, you will be considered an illegal alien also. I don't know how, or when, the anchor baby insanity started, but we must stop it immediately.
No the is apathetic and extremely conditioned Americans roll over for the governement on a daily basis. Frenchies have some nads to stand up for what they have been promised and what they have paid into. Not here. You will be promoting people working into their 90's and making lame justifications for this while ignoring the government stealing every dime over what is paid out in the "tust fund" for wars and governement largess that the lot of us don't want or need. Any person in the US who is 40 or younger with an iota of a brain cell knows there will be no SS for them and those who don't know this are sheep. Yet, you go on and promote this BS raising the age again and again and again and you will be expecting the younger workers to support your SS when it comes time to collect. Oh, but they should work longer than you and for much less. This nation is impotent compared to the Frenchies.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Somehow people got the foolish notion that .gov was going to take care of them when their working days were over, and are belatedly awakening to reality. However, given that the government takes 15+ percent of most workers income for 45+ years, soundly managed and invested, that should yield an indefinite stipend upon which to live in one's waning years. The problem is not the workers who have paid into this "fund" all of their lives but the malfeasance of Congress; that the money was stolen, used imprudently and managed in such a fashion that would land the trustee of an equivalently managed private retirement fund in prison for fraud for the rest of their life.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
.gov - the ultimate criminal enterprise.
exactly- the notion that so called conservatives would resent those who were fleeced for daring to expect a meager return, & not want to work into their 70s(!!) is mind-bogglingly obscene.
"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13 And it is not solely a Republican creation, although the stone hearts of mainstream Rockefeller Republicanism of "let them eat cake" is not to be left without comment. It was LBJ - that little pustule from a corrupt Machine Run system - a Demoncrat, who first breached the wall. The looting of Social Security has been done willingly and with the assent and aid of both of the ruling halves of the one party Demoncrat, and Republocon alike.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
I agree with O_I. and I add that the nature of our job market for many people is that they will not be allowed by the employers to work until 70. Already, people up over 55 have an extremely difficult time of finding a job. The whole thing is a bad joke.
Psalms 137:1 By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion.
Both parties helped steal it. They stole the money, spent it, now they complain that SS costs too much. But it costs too much in large part because they stole it and spent it and now have to borrow money from China to pay out the checks. Many of us warned about this for many years. People refused to listen. It was not some great secret no one knew about.
In recent years, gold has done well. Also stocks of the too-big-to-fails. Some of the Asian stocks are terrific performers, many still undervalued. You can follow Peter Schiff's stock picks that have performed quite well.
I advocate nothing of the sort. As for the total innocence of the young people, it is true that they didn't vote for their forbears' debt but they did benefit from it. And it is obvious they aren't much smarter in the wake of electing Obongo, no? Then you have the unionized cops and firefighters, taking pensions after twenty years and getting other jobs after "retiring" so they can get SS as well as a fat union pension. And you have people like railroaders who like to start little side businesses while they're working so they can get both railroad retirement pension and SS. I oppose and reject all of it. Bunch of greedy bastards.
Oh please, do tell how.......how will all future generations benefit from stealing all the "trust fund" monies to waste on today's balony spending? The pensions and the rest are beyond the scope of the discussion, TC. We are talking about SS and Medicare which will go broke even sooner. My point in the discussion wasn't today's generation of retirees who will actually see some of what they put into it........my point is the 40 and younger who won't see the benefit and who are expected to keep on paying until they are in their 70's anyway. Boner had no problem skimming a trillion off the excess to war in Iraq and on terror.....that doesn't help any future generations of Americans one iota, in fact they will be less free and have less liberty and have no stinking retirement from all the SS extortion they have had to pay for decades.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
As if these wars have no effect on our economy, but nobody can mention it in polite company - the social brainwashing has been very effective.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" Gold is just as hyper-inflated as the currency markets. It is primed for a dump by the big holders, which will sink the price of gold over night. That is not even mentioning the major gold scandals, fraud by banks over gold not being in their vaults, and fake gold plated tungsten bars. It should be noted that the major supplier of tungsten in the world is China. Which is probably when it publicly came out about the fake bars, that China falsely accused the U.S. of what China was guilty of.
I'd like to know how many people in this country don't even know that our troops are overseas, killing and being killed, every day.
Sheesh, for 15 out out the past 24 months the government has borrowed just to pay out SS benefits promised current retirees. Truth be told, Boner and the rest of the idiots in DC have benrupted the "trust fund" and continue to get away with no accountability for the sorry shape it's in today.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Yes the no accountable position is just breath taking considering what the Dems have done, but seems to me that the, easily, the bigger culprit are the Repubs.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" And far as I can tell, the wars have attracted very little debate during this election cycle. Amazing - and depressing.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" I agree Tom. Sigh.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
I don't expect to collect it. Boner? You mean Boehner? How do you think he did that?
Then we can send you back to Iran.
You act as though this situation has been unknown until recently. In the later part of the Reagan years, maybe 1987, they insisted that SS was in trouble and that they needed to raise taxes to save it. You may recall that Senator Moynihan was kind of the leader. He held all these meetings and the Congress finally became a little more familiar with computers because they used spreadsheets (the old Microsoft Multiplan, not Lotus 1-2-3). So they raised the SS taxes, assuring us that SS would be safe up through 2050. Then they started just borrowing all the huge piles of money that came pouring in and spending it like general funds, "loaning" themselves the SS fund to spend however they wanted. It was the secret cookie jar that both parties would plunder. And many of the pols who stole the SS fund and spent it wildly are now safely dead or retired though some of these idiots are still in Congress. Moynihan was betrayed because his objective was to actually save SS, not loot it. So he introduced legislation to repeal the SS tax increases, saying he wasn't going to let them steal it and spend it. He failed. And this has been the pattern since. Even Ross Perot, with his bar charts and big ears and wailing over some giant sucking sound, made it pretty clear that this day would come. 2050, 2030, 2017, the date of bankruptcy has steadily advanced. It's both parties but the Dims have been worse. And now they spent all the money and have to pay off the IOUs that they wrote to the SS trust fund. That's all it is, just an accounting journal of IOUs at a dusty obscure SS office in rural Virginia. I've seen video of the ledger they keep. It's like evidence in the shabbiest theft in human history. Yeah, these are our leaders. Makes you feel real good about voting.
That is what really makes me mad! If the filthy thieves in government would not put the money collected for Social Security in the General Fund and spend it on all kind of others things that it was not meant for our seniors would be living high on the hog! But instead the corrupt politicians took the money and spent it or gave it away for other things rather than holding it for the seniors or investing it specifically for that purpose.
Well, the food sure would be better, not sure about any improvement in liquor store hours But Hey, I'll go to Iran if you'll come with me...We'll have to go via South America. I personally guarantee your safety....deal?
WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)
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#2. To: tom007 (#0)
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#4. To: TooConservative (#3)
If that's what you want, invest wisely.
#5. To: Jethro Tull (#2)
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#6. To: TooConservative (#3)
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#7. To: tom007 (#0)
#8. To: Lod (#7)
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#9. To: Artisan (#8)
#10. To: tom007 (#0)
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#11. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#1)
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#12. To: tom007 (#0)
Work Till 70? Yes, if Boehner and Republicans Have Their Way
#13. To: TooConservative (#3)
If that's what you want, invest wisely.
#14. To: Artisan, 4 (#5)
does toomey want to raise the ss age? if so the source, albeit leftwing, did its job
#15. To: Jethro Tull (#14)
LETS KICK ILLEGALS OFF THE DOLE, AND THEN OUT OF THE COUNTRY.
#16. To: PaulCJ (#12)
So, when do you plan to start the revolt?
#17. To: Flintlock, 4 (#15)
Great idea, may I also suggest we revoke the citizenship of all anchor babies and deport them too?
#18. To: Jethro Tull, tom007, 4 (#17)
#19. To: TooConservative (#3)
Sorry, Tom, but this ain't France.
#20. To: Lod, tom007, abraxas, all (#7)
Olde Age Assistance was never meant to be a sole source of retirement income.
#21. To: Original_Intent (#20)
The problem is not the workers who have paid into this "fund" all of their lives but the malfeasance of Congress; that the money was stolen, used imprudently and managed in such a fashion that would land the trustee of an equivalently managed private retirement fund in prison for fraud for the rest of their life.
#22. To: Original_Intent (#20)
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#23. To: Artisan (#22)
exactly- the notion that so called conservatives would resent those who were fleeced for daring to expect a meager return, & not want to work into their 70s(!!) is mind-bogglingly obscene.
#24. To: Original_Intent, Artisan (#23)
#25. To: Artisan (#6)
the criminal government steals ss from everyones checks, by force, all their lives. they should not wait till 70 to get a portion of it back. that is wrong thinking.
#26. To: PaulCJ (#13)
And where would you "invest wisely" right now?
#27. To: abraxas (#19)
You will be promoting people working into their 90's and making lame justifications for this while ignoring the government stealing every dime over what is paid out in the "tust fund" for wars and governement largess that the lot of us don't want or need. Any person in the US who is 40 or younger with an iota of a brain cell knows there will be no SS for them and those who don't know this are sheep. Yet, you go on and promote this BS raising the age again and again and again and you will be expecting the younger workers to support your SS when it comes time to collect. Oh, but they should work longer than you and for much less.
#28. To: TooConservative (#27)
but they did benefit from
#29. To: abraxas (#28)
Boner had no problem skimming a trillion off the excess to war in Iraq and on terror...
#30. To: TooConservative (#26)
In recent years, gold has done well.
#31. To: tom007, 4 (#29)
As if these wars have no effect on our economy, but nobody can mention it in polite company - the social brainwashing has been very effective.
#32. To: tom007 (#29)
#33. To: abraxas (#32)
and continue to get away with no accountability for the sorry shape it's in today.
#34. To: abraxas (#32)
#35. To: tom007 (#34)
Amazing - and depressing.
#36. To: abraxas (#28)
My point in the discussion wasn't today's generation of retirees who will actually see some of what they put into it........my point is the 40 and younger who won't see the benefit and who are expected to keep on paying until they are in their 70's anyway.
Boner had no problem skimming a trillion off the excess to war in Iraq and on terror.....that doesn't help any future generations of Americans one iota, in fact they will be less free and have less liberty and have no stinking retirement from all the SS extortion they have had to pay for decades.
#37. To: Flintlock (#15)
#38. To: abraxas (#32)
Sheesh, for 15 out out the past 24 months the government has borrowed just to pay out SS benefits promised current retirees. Truth be told, Boner and the rest of the idiots in DC have benrupted the "trust fund" and continue to get away with no accountability for the sorry shape it's in today.
#39. To: TooConservative (#38)
#40. To: A K A Stone, A K A Smeg Breath (#37)
Then we can send you back to Iran.
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