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Title: Work Till 70? Yes, if Boehner and Republicans Have Their Way
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Published: Oct 30, 2010
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Post Date: 2010-10-30 09:40:47 by tom007
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Work Till 70? Yes, if Boehner and Republicans Have Their Way by Mike Hall, Oct 26, 2010 Bookmark and Share 426Share If Republicans take over Congress, House Republican Minority Leader John Boehner says he will move to raise the Social Security retirement age to 70. That might not seem to be a big deal to someone who has spent his life in cushy offices with fancy perks, luxury cars, good health care and not much heavy lifting. But for millions of seniors in physically demanding jobs, it’s a big, big deal. A new TV ad from Protecting America’s Retirees, an independent project of the Alliance for Retired Americans, takes a light-hearted look at the very serious subject of forcing seniors to stay on the job until age 70. The ad will air in five closely contested House races in Arizona, Iowa, Ohio and Pennsylvania and in the Pennsylvania Senate race between Rep. Joe Sestak (D), who has vowed to strengthen Social Security, and Rep. Pat Toomey, who wants to raise the retirement age and privatize Social Security. The ad reaches out to seniors who may be voting for Republicans because they want change. You’re hoping things will change? Hope you’re also planning to stay on the job. Because at least one change means seniors will have to work. And work. And keep right on working. Yes—that’s right. The Republican leadership wants to raise your retirement age to 70. The ad shows, among others, a firefighter, construction worker, delivery person and lifeguard struggling on the job in their later years. Alliance Executive Director Edward F. Coyle asks: Can you imagine working until 70? In physically demanding jobs like manufacturing, construction, and the service sector, I just don’t see how you can. In September, The New York Times took an in-depth look at the toll physically demanding jobs take on older workers. Click here. Print This Article | E-Mail This Article |Comments (34) Tags: Alliance for Retired Americans, Joe Sestak, John Boehner, labor, Labor 2010, Pat Toomey, Protecting America’s Retirees, Social Security, union, union blogs, unions, Working Families Vote Channels: Legislation & Politics, Working Families Vote
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#1. To: tom007 (#0)
Krugman, the AFL-CIO. What other leftist garbage are you going to post? Old Chairman Mao or Vladimir Lenin speeches? You forgot to post the article about Republicans starving old people and wanting them to die.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone. - Zhuangzi
So the Rs alone are going to chain the legs of the American workers to their work stations and made to eat gruel until they drop? The AFLCIO? Please. Tom, try again.
Sorry, Tom, but this ain't France. When the longevity of Americans has increased by at least 10 years since the retirement age was established, some adjustment has to be made. Essentially, you need to return to a system like the original SS where at least half the citizens die before collecting SS. SS was to avert abject elderly poverty. It was never meant to be a retirement plan for the masses. If that's what you want, invest wisely.
Bernie Madoff shares your sentiment, no doubt.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" does toomey want to raise the ss age? if so the source, albeit leftwing, did its job
"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13 the criminal government steals ss from everyones checks, by force, all their lives. they should not wait till 70 to get a portion of it back. that is wrong thinking.
"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13 Olde Age Assistance was never meant to be a sole source of retirement income. Somehow people got the foolish notion that .gov was going to take care of them when their working days were over, and are belatedly awakening to reality.
it shouldn't exist, period. they shouldn't steal $ from people every week. but since they do, the notion that the workers have an inproper 'entitlement / dependent mentality' for expecting a small portion of the returns on THEIR OWN $#@ MONEY back is incorrect, & harkens back to a republican establishment mindset.
"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13 You're correct. Like all entitlement programs, it has morphed into a fiscal monster that will prove to be most difficult to ever slay.
that piece of filth pat toomey, gop zionist war on terra' shill who couldn't even beat arlen specter, does not want to abolish the ss system. nor does he not want to abolish the federal reserve. he only wants to keep stealing it & not give it back. typical thug punk bitch.
"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13 see post # 10
"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13 Starve to death! Yes, if Obama and Democrats Have Their Way So, when do you plan to start the revolt?
And where would you "invest wisely" right now? All the markets and banks are rigged right now to bankrupt consumers. Outside of guns and ammo, I see no place to put money in right now for the long term, as in decades.
I have a wonderful way to begin to perserve ss. LETS KICK ILLEGALS OFF THE DOLE, AND THEN OUT OF THE COUNTRY. Once they're gone, lets see what has to be done to save these programs for American citizens.
Great idea, may I also suggest we revoke the citizenship of all anchor babies and deport them too?
WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)
I am already revolting.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" A very sane idea, one that every other nation on the planet adheres to.
I believe I read that there is pending legislation to clarify the 14th to state that if your parents, or mother, is here illegally, you will be considered an illegal alien also. I don't know how, or when, the anchor baby insanity started, but we must stop it immediately.
No the is apathetic and extremely conditioned Americans roll over for the governement on a daily basis. Frenchies have some nads to stand up for what they have been promised and what they have paid into. Not here. You will be promoting people working into their 90's and making lame justifications for this while ignoring the government stealing every dime over what is paid out in the "tust fund" for wars and governement largess that the lot of us don't want or need. Any person in the US who is 40 or younger with an iota of a brain cell knows there will be no SS for them and those who don't know this are sheep. Yet, you go on and promote this BS raising the age again and again and again and you will be expecting the younger workers to support your SS when it comes time to collect. Oh, but they should work longer than you and for much less. This nation is impotent compared to the Frenchies.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Somehow people got the foolish notion that .gov was going to take care of them when their working days were over, and are belatedly awakening to reality. However, given that the government takes 15+ percent of most workers income for 45+ years, soundly managed and invested, that should yield an indefinite stipend upon which to live in one's waning years. The problem is not the workers who have paid into this "fund" all of their lives but the malfeasance of Congress; that the money was stolen, used imprudently and managed in such a fashion that would land the trustee of an equivalently managed private retirement fund in prison for fraud for the rest of their life.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
.gov - the ultimate criminal enterprise.
exactly- the notion that so called conservatives would resent those who were fleeced for daring to expect a meager return, & not want to work into their 70s(!!) is mind-bogglingly obscene.
"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13 And it is not solely a Republican creation, although the stone hearts of mainstream Rockefeller Republicanism of "let them eat cake" is not to be left without comment. It was LBJ - that little pustule from a corrupt Machine Run system - a Demoncrat, who first breached the wall. The looting of Social Security has been done willingly and with the assent and aid of both of the ruling halves of the one party Demoncrat, and Republocon alike.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
I agree with O_I. and I add that the nature of our job market for many people is that they will not be allowed by the employers to work until 70. Already, people up over 55 have an extremely difficult time of finding a job. The whole thing is a bad joke.
Psalms 137:1 By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion.
Both parties helped steal it. They stole the money, spent it, now they complain that SS costs too much. But it costs too much in large part because they stole it and spent it and now have to borrow money from China to pay out the checks. Many of us warned about this for many years. People refused to listen. It was not some great secret no one knew about.
In recent years, gold has done well. Also stocks of the too-big-to-fails. Some of the Asian stocks are terrific performers, many still undervalued. You can follow Peter Schiff's stock picks that have performed quite well.
I advocate nothing of the sort. As for the total innocence of the young people, it is true that they didn't vote for their forbears' debt but they did benefit from it. And it is obvious they aren't much smarter in the wake of electing Obongo, no? Then you have the unionized cops and firefighters, taking pensions after twenty years and getting other jobs after "retiring" so they can get SS as well as a fat union pension. And you have people like railroaders who like to start little side businesses while they're working so they can get both railroad retirement pension and SS. I oppose and reject all of it. Bunch of greedy bastards.
Oh please, do tell how.......how will all future generations benefit from stealing all the "trust fund" monies to waste on today's balony spending? The pensions and the rest are beyond the scope of the discussion, TC. We are talking about SS and Medicare which will go broke even sooner. My point in the discussion wasn't today's generation of retirees who will actually see some of what they put into it........my point is the 40 and younger who won't see the benefit and who are expected to keep on paying until they are in their 70's anyway. Boner had no problem skimming a trillion off the excess to war in Iraq and on terror.....that doesn't help any future generations of Americans one iota, in fact they will be less free and have less liberty and have no stinking retirement from all the SS extortion they have had to pay for decades.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
As if these wars have no effect on our economy, but nobody can mention it in polite company - the social brainwashing has been very effective.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" Gold is just as hyper-inflated as the currency markets. It is primed for a dump by the big holders, which will sink the price of gold over night. That is not even mentioning the major gold scandals, fraud by banks over gold not being in their vaults, and fake gold plated tungsten bars. It should be noted that the major supplier of tungsten in the world is China. Which is probably when it publicly came out about the fake bars, that China falsely accused the U.S. of what China was guilty of.
I'd like to know how many people in this country don't even know that our troops are overseas, killing and being killed, every day.
Sheesh, for 15 out out the past 24 months the government has borrowed just to pay out SS benefits promised current retirees. Truth be told, Boner and the rest of the idiots in DC have benrupted the "trust fund" and continue to get away with no accountability for the sorry shape it's in today.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Yes the no accountable position is just breath taking considering what the Dems have done, but seems to me that the, easily, the bigger culprit are the Repubs.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" And far as I can tell, the wars have attracted very little debate during this election cycle. Amazing - and depressing.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" I agree Tom. Sigh.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
I don't expect to collect it. Boner? You mean Boehner? How do you think he did that?
Then we can send you back to Iran.
You act as though this situation has been unknown until recently. In the later part of the Reagan years, maybe 1987, they insisted that SS was in trouble and that they needed to raise taxes to save it. You may recall that Senator Moynihan was kind of the leader. He held all these meetings and the Congress finally became a little more familiar with computers because they used spreadsheets (the old Microsoft Multiplan, not Lotus 1-2-3). So they raised the SS taxes, assuring us that SS would be safe up through 2050. Then they started just borrowing all the huge piles of money that came pouring in and spending it like general funds, "loaning" themselves the SS fund to spend however they wanted. It was the secret cookie jar that both parties would plunder. And many of the pols who stole the SS fund and spent it wildly are now safely dead or retired though some of these idiots are still in Congress. Moynihan was betrayed because his objective was to actually save SS, not loot it. So he introduced legislation to repeal the SS tax increases, saying he wasn't going to let them steal it and spend it. He failed. And this has been the pattern since. Even Ross Perot, with his bar charts and big ears and wailing over some giant sucking sound, made it pretty clear that this day would come. 2050, 2030, 2017, the date of bankruptcy has steadily advanced. It's both parties but the Dims have been worse. And now they spent all the money and have to pay off the IOUs that they wrote to the SS trust fund. That's all it is, just an accounting journal of IOUs at a dusty obscure SS office in rural Virginia. I've seen video of the ledger they keep. It's like evidence in the shabbiest theft in human history. Yeah, these are our leaders. Makes you feel real good about voting.
That is what really makes me mad! If the filthy thieves in government would not put the money collected for Social Security in the General Fund and spend it on all kind of others things that it was not meant for our seniors would be living high on the hog! But instead the corrupt politicians took the money and spent it or gave it away for other things rather than holding it for the seniors or investing it specifically for that purpose.
Well, the food sure would be better, not sure about any improvement in liquor store hours But Hey, I'll go to Iran if you'll come with me...We'll have to go via South America. I personally guarantee your safety....deal?
WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)
I think we should also eject fifth columnists whose first loyalty is to a foreign power and are perfectly willing to see young Americans slaughtered to slake their thirst for innocent blood in support of their bloodstained idol - or hang them from the village oak. Your preference. Of course there is always the French "solution": "One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Do you have paypal?
That is only true if you have a double-standard and you think it's fine for Dems to be totally irresponsible and that it is somehow the job of Republicans to be the tax collector for the welfare state and the loony liberal ideas of hucksters like Obongo that manage to get elected. Sorry, we aren't interested in any comebacks for Bob Dole and his ilk who thought that it was their job to do cleanup for the liberal establishment. The Dems pushed for the bubble policies and rammed them through in the early Nineties through the housing commission. Even after the 9/11 recession (yes, we had one but they didn't allow it develop by printing money wildly, the first recession in world history where building construction didn't even dip during the recession). Then by 2004, it was clear to anyone that Fannie/Freddie and the construction boom was already in a huge bubble, fueled by the Fed. Bush and McStain tried to rein it in and was blocked by the Dems, Frank in the House but more effectively by Dodd in the Senate. Dodd is the one person most responsible for it though there were plenty of others including a small number of Republicans. Then once the Dims took the House in 2006, the party really roared on until the bubble burst in 2008. Now you want to pretend it was all such a surprise, some dirty Republican trick. It's no wonder the voters are just waiting to beat the brains out of you Dems on Tuesday. Stupid is as stupid does, I guess.
I'll give ya a hundred bux if you take the little jew-fellator bobbing for boat anchors.
Well, at least it wouldn't be broke and they'd be getting a few COLA increases. But Congress took COLA. And look at Obongo's trip this week to India. He's taking the entire WH staff with him including his own cooks on both Air Force One jets. He's taking his big Cadillac armored limo with 4.5" armor. He's taking three of the big Navy helicopters (disassembled and reassembled). He's taking a few dozen more armored SUV's. They are repositioning at least one of our major spy satellites to keep an eye on India while he is there. And they are flying all these helicopters and planes over there on 40 Air Force jets in addition to the two WH jets. And besides that, they will have U.S. Navy ships off the coast. You almost wonder if it's a setup for a false-flag, like a fake assassination attempt on Obama to improve his ratings with the public. You recall how much the public softened toward Reagan after Hinkley shot him. Well, a close call would at least help a little bit. Anyway, it's insanely extravagant and bound to drive his approval even lower so you have to wonder if he has a political motive or maybe has some slimy deal in the works that he wants to sell to India like trade concessions or weapons sales or whatnot. That might at least explain why he would spend such an insane amount. I do hope he doesn't get too worn out from all the work with TOTUS addressing the Indian parliament. Maybe he can finally get a little time for golf.
You almost wonder if it's a setup for a false-flag, like a fake assassination attempt on Obama to improve his ratings with the public. hmmmmmm....the timing is odd. day after election. his and his wookie's extravagance, btw, is nauseating.
This will drive his approval down another 10% or so even with Dems. The only way it makes sense is if he gets a big trade deal or defense contract out of them. This is so huge a trip, it is about something, not just a state visit.
They are hoping people will die before they ever get any social security it appears. I am against social security, but for people who have paid into it most of their life, they should expect it to be there for them in retirement and not at an ever increasing age, but the one specified when they started paying into it.
God is always good!
That adjustment should only apply to those that start paying into social security after the possible new law goes into effect. It should not be applied to those before it in any way.
God is always good!
Yes, it is a very, very bad joke. Soon those contemplating suicide will say to heck with it and take out some elite with themselves. I can see that happening in the not too distant future if things don't begin to change fast.
God is always good!
You reject people trying to make money and you call yourself a conservative? WTH?
God is always good!
Yeah, it is kind of unsettling that this trip is planned for such a time. I really hope and pray that nothing really bad happens to America soon, but this doesn't look good at all.
God is always good!
Actually, the inability to pay current benefits and get those checks in the mail, which was the comment you quoted, is a very recent thing. It was only a matter of time anyway. Sigh. The bankruptcy of SS has been underway for decades. But, you know, the projections were that there would be money to pay folks up until 2017. In fact, the MSM isn't even reporting that the government has been borrowing to pay benefits in the past 15 of 24 months. I found that tidbit outside the MSM. Wouldn't want the peoples getting upset before elections. Uuuuhhhhggg!! David Walker, our last head government accountant, spent a decade trying to get the idiots in DC to do something about the sinking SS and Medi ships, but the asswipes only care about the next election cycle and none of them want to tell the people how they wasted the "trust fund".......
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Lol.......because he was all about passing Bushies "budgets" that skimmed a trillion off of SS to pay for the wars. Can't actually ask the people to pay for the wars they want to rage in DC, you know, it has to be funded by taking it from the entitlement cookie jar and leaving future generations buried under massive mountains of debt. Sheesh, have you forgotten the the idiot republicans were spending like drunken sailors under Bush? Are you actually falling for this new contract with America, TC? If so, I have this nice bridge to nowhere I'd like to sell you. : ) Ol' perma tan Boner has yet to meet a budget he refuses to fund, even if it requires skimming of the "trust funds" but he has not problem raising the retirement age.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Did you forget this? Boehner, along with Newt Gingrich and several other Republican lawmakers, was one of the engineers of the Contract with America in 1994. Now he has new contract for the lot of us. What a pantload!! And don't forget Boner's proudest achievement. He was also a major force in the passage of No Child Left Behind, saying it was his “proudest achievement” in two decades of public service. He fried his brain cells in the tanning bed.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
So we should....what....give up? What's your alternative plan that has traction? If Boener is what you say, and I'm not questioning that, then what's your solution? Straight up.
"The more artificial taboos and restrictions there are in the world, the more the people are impoverished.... The more that laws and regulations are given prominence, the more thieves and robbers there will be." - Lao Tzu, 6th century BC
It failed. He's no longer so proud. He's admitted the failures of the Gingrich years as well. Don't get me wrong. I know they'd love to follow their usual scheming big-government ways. But they are more afraid of us now than they are of the Dems. They think we're ready to dump them too. They're right. You know, 10% of the population unemployed and angry is not a good situation. Once they're in power, they will have to do something. People will watch closely. For them, the best thing they can do is to revive the economy somehow and get people back to work so they'll forget to keep an eye on the District of Criminals.
GAO is the only federal agency that really is still trustworthy.
Your veiled threats are getting old. Lets just put it this way. Threaten me in person and you will have brand new holes that leak red in your forehead. Get it pedophile firster.
Oh, wah. You should know me well enough by now to know, hyperbole aside, that I hate no one. Not even you. I do take strong issue with some of your positions and find them in the range of odious to repugnant, but not even you do I hate. Hate is a poison, and it poisons first he or she who allows themselves to hate. However, as long as you continue to support evil, while trying to name it good, I will continue to name it for what it is. If it makes you uncomfortable perhaps you might consider taking an honest look at what it is you claim to support.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
#2. To: tom007 (#0)
www.aflcio.org/
#3. To: tom007 (#0)
#4. To: TooConservative (#3)
If that's what you want, invest wisely.
#5. To: Jethro Tull (#2)
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#6. To: TooConservative (#3)
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#7. To: tom007 (#0)
#8. To: Lod (#7)
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#9. To: Artisan (#8)
#10. To: tom007 (#0)
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#11. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#1)
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#12. To: tom007 (#0)
Work Till 70? Yes, if Boehner and Republicans Have Their Way
#13. To: TooConservative (#3)
If that's what you want, invest wisely.
#14. To: Artisan, 4 (#5)
does toomey want to raise the ss age? if so the source, albeit leftwing, did its job
#15. To: Jethro Tull (#14)
LETS KICK ILLEGALS OFF THE DOLE, AND THEN OUT OF THE COUNTRY.
#16. To: PaulCJ (#12)
So, when do you plan to start the revolt?
#17. To: Flintlock, 4 (#15)
Great idea, may I also suggest we revoke the citizenship of all anchor babies and deport them too?
#18. To: Jethro Tull, tom007, 4 (#17)
#19. To: TooConservative (#3)
Sorry, Tom, but this ain't France.
#20. To: Lod, tom007, abraxas, all (#7)
Olde Age Assistance was never meant to be a sole source of retirement income.
#21. To: Original_Intent (#20)
The problem is not the workers who have paid into this "fund" all of their lives but the malfeasance of Congress; that the money was stolen, used imprudently and managed in such a fashion that would land the trustee of an equivalently managed private retirement fund in prison for fraud for the rest of their life.
#22. To: Original_Intent (#20)
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#23. To: Artisan (#22)
exactly- the notion that so called conservatives would resent those who were fleeced for daring to expect a meager return, & not want to work into their 70s(!!) is mind-bogglingly obscene.
#24. To: Original_Intent, Artisan (#23)
#25. To: Artisan (#6)
the criminal government steals ss from everyones checks, by force, all their lives. they should not wait till 70 to get a portion of it back. that is wrong thinking.
#26. To: PaulCJ (#13)
And where would you "invest wisely" right now?
#27. To: abraxas (#19)
You will be promoting people working into their 90's and making lame justifications for this while ignoring the government stealing every dime over what is paid out in the "tust fund" for wars and governement largess that the lot of us don't want or need. Any person in the US who is 40 or younger with an iota of a brain cell knows there will be no SS for them and those who don't know this are sheep. Yet, you go on and promote this BS raising the age again and again and again and you will be expecting the younger workers to support your SS when it comes time to collect. Oh, but they should work longer than you and for much less.
#28. To: TooConservative (#27)
but they did benefit from
#29. To: abraxas (#28)
Boner had no problem skimming a trillion off the excess to war in Iraq and on terror...
#30. To: TooConservative (#26)
In recent years, gold has done well.
#31. To: tom007, 4 (#29)
As if these wars have no effect on our economy, but nobody can mention it in polite company - the social brainwashing has been very effective.
#32. To: tom007 (#29)
#33. To: abraxas (#32)
and continue to get away with no accountability for the sorry shape it's in today.
#34. To: abraxas (#32)
#35. To: tom007 (#34)
Amazing - and depressing.
#36. To: abraxas (#28)
My point in the discussion wasn't today's generation of retirees who will actually see some of what they put into it........my point is the 40 and younger who won't see the benefit and who are expected to keep on paying until they are in their 70's anyway.
Boner had no problem skimming a trillion off the excess to war in Iraq and on terror.....that doesn't help any future generations of Americans one iota, in fact they will be less free and have less liberty and have no stinking retirement from all the SS extortion they have had to pay for decades.
#37. To: Flintlock (#15)
#38. To: abraxas (#32)
Sheesh, for 15 out out the past 24 months the government has borrowed just to pay out SS benefits promised current retirees. Truth be told, Boner and the rest of the idiots in DC have benrupted the "trust fund" and continue to get away with no accountability for the sorry shape it's in today.
#39. To: TooConservative (#38)
#40. To: A K A Stone, A K A Smeg Breath (#37)
Then we can send you back to Iran.
#41. To: Flintlock, A K A Swine, A K A Traitor, A K A Quisling, A K A Benedict Arnold, A K A Slime, A K A Ghoul, A K A Old Fiend, A K A Stone, all (#37)
#42. To: Flintlock (#40)
#43. To: tom007 (#33)
Yes the no accountable position is just breath taking considering what the Dems have done, but seems to me that the, easily, the bigger culprit are the Repubs.
#44. To: Original_Intent, A K A Stone (#41)
#45. To: Flintlock (#40)
I personally guarantee your safety....
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
#46. To: MiracleRose7 (#39)
If the filthy thieves in government would not put the money collected for Social Security in the General Fund and spend it on all kind of others things that it was not meant for our seniors would be living high on the hog!
I find this trip to be the most insanely extravagant of any president. It will probably cost $200M dollars. I'm not kidding.
#47. To: TooConservative (#46)
I find this trip to be the most insanely extravagant of any president. It will probably cost $200M dollars. I'm not kidding.
#48. To: christine (#47)
#49. To: tom007 (#0)
Can you imagine working until 70? In physically demanding jobs like manufacturing, construction, and the service sector, I just don’t see how you can.
#50. To: TooConservative (#3)
When the longevity of Americans has increased by at least 10 years since the retirement age was established, some adjustment has to be made.
#51. To: Red Jones (#24)
I agree with O_I. and I add that the nature of our job market for many people is that they will not be allowed by the employers to work until 70. Already, people up over 55 have an extremely difficult time of finding a job. The whole thing is a bad joke.
#52. To: TooConservative (#27)
I oppose and reject all of it. Bunch of greedy bastards.
#53. To: christine (#47)
hmmmmmm....the timing is odd. day after election. his and his wookie's extravagance, btw, is nauseating.
#54. To: TooConservative (#38)
You act as though this situation has been unknown until recently.
#55. To: TooConservative (#36)
Boner? You mean Boehner? How do you think he did that?
#56. To: TooConservative (#36)
#57. To: abraxas (#56)
#58. To: abraxas (#56)
He was also a major force in the passage of No Child Left Behind, saying it was his “proudest achievement” in two decades of public service.
#59. To: abraxas (#54)
David Walker, our last head government accountant, spent a decade trying to get the idiots in DC to do something about the sinking SS and Medi ships, but the asswipes only care about the next election cycle and none of them want to tell the people how they wasted the "trust fund".......
#60. To: Original_Intent (#41)
#61. To: A K A Stone (#60)
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