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Title: WashPost: War with Iran would rescue economy
Source: Raw Story
URL Source: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/10/washpost-war-iran-rescue-economy/
Published: Oct 31, 2010
Author: Daniel Tencer
Post Date: 2010-11-01 00:29:37 by F.A. Hayek Fan
Keywords: None
Views: 208
Comments: 16

Washington Post political correspondent David Broder has kind words for President Barack Obama in in his opinion column Sunday, arguing that it isn't the president's fault the economy is stuck in reverse.

But the four-decade-plus veteran of Washington politics offers a startling solution to the president's political and economic woes: March off to war with Iran.

The president, who is "much smarter" and "more inspirational" than any of his opponents, could benefit from a confrontation with Iran because it would strike up a war machine that would pull the US out of economic stagnation, Broder argues.

He writes that there are "essentially" two ways that an economy can be grown: Through the natural economic cycle, and through war.

Look back at FDR and the Great Depression. What finally resolved that economic crisis? World War II.

Here is where Obama is likely to prevail. With strong Republican support in Congress for challenging Iran's ambition to become a nuclear power, he can spend much of 2011 and 2012 orchestrating a showdown with the mullahs. This will help him politically because the opposition party will be urging him on. And as tensions rise and we accelerate preparations for war, the economy will improve.

"I am not suggesting, of course, that the president incite a war to get reelected," Broder qualifies. "But the nation will rally around Obama because Iran is the greatest threat to the world in the young century."

Broder's column has come in for almost instant criticism from economic and political policy experts. In a blog entry entitled "Has David Broder Lost His Mind?," Foreign Policy managing editor Blake Hounshell writes that Broder's proposal is "crazy for a number of reasons."

One is that markets don't like tensions, and certainly not the kind that jack up oil prices. Second, World War II brought the United States out of the Great Depression because it was a massive economic stimulus program that mobilized entire sectors of society. Today's American military has all the tools it needs to fight Iran, and there isn't going to be any sort of buildup. Hasn't Broder been reading his own newspaper? The Pentagon is looking to find billions in cuts as it confronts the coming world of budget austerity.

Writing at the same magazine, Marc Lynch argues that Broder's column is "an interesting study in how really dumb ideas bounce around Washington DC," and asserts that the Obama administration finds such an idea "ridiculous."

Dean Baker of the Center for Economic and Policy Research argues that Broder's idea for government-driven stimulus isn't wrong, but it doesn't need to be military in nature.

"If spending on war can provide jobs and lift the economy then so can spending on roads, weatherizing homes, or educating our kids. Yes, that's right, all the forms of stimulus spending that Broder derided so much because they add to the deficit will increase GDP and generate jobs just like the war that Broder is advocating (which will also add to the deficit)," Baker writes.

But the harshest criticism comes from Matt Duss at ThinkProgress.

"Especially in light of what has just occurred in Iraq, what kind of moral degenerate seriously suggests we get ready to do it again in neighboring Iran, just as a way to spur job growth?" he asks. "The kind who writes a regular column in the Washington Post, apparently.

Read Broder's full column here.

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#1. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#0)

David Broder Rushed to Hospital for Emergency Craniorectal Procedure

David Broder of the Washington Post has long had his head so far up Washington’s ass that he is incapable of understanding that there are opinions in America beyond the ten Beltway insiders he gets his talking points from. (An affliction from which much of the D.C. press corps suffers, though generally not in as advanced a state as Broder’s.)

bush_is_a_moonie  posted on  2010-11-01   0:54:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#0)

A stupid concoction as a journalistic piece. Even weak as an Organized Jewry propaganda handout. After all it has been the Afghan and Iraq wars, instigated by American-Israeli duals, that have already saddled the country with unpayable debts and distracted the administration from promoting high tech, consumer-oriented industries. That China is working on 500 km/hr high speed rail indicates that it may overtake America in that field like Japan is doing with a 100% electric car:

Production of 100% electric Nissan LEAF begins in Japan

By Tannith Cattermole

October 31, 2010

We've been covering the Nissan LEAF with interest for some time and right on track to meet its previously-stated production deadlines, the 100% electric, Nissan LEAF has gone into manufacture at the Oppama facility in Japan.

Pricing and availability for The Nissan LEAF were announced in April and the first exports to United States in November and Europe in December will be in time to meet first sales set for December in Japan and the United States, and in selected European markets from early 2011.

The Oppama plant has an annual production capacity of 50,000 units but new facilities are planned for Smyrna, Tennessee in late 2012, and Sunderland, UK in early 2013. Once under-way these will have the capacity for an annual production capacity of 150,000 and 50,000 units respectively.

The Oppama plant also produces gasoline models such as Nissan Juke and Nissan Cube but part of the assembly line has been modified to mount battery modules at the stage of production where fuel tanks are traditionally installed. Motors and inverters are mounted at the point where engines are installed in gasoline-powered vehicles.

Nissan LEAF is the first 100% electric, zero--local-emission vehicle to be produced for the Renault-Nissan Alliance. To date the company says 80 partnerships have been signed with governments, municipalities and companies worldwide.

"This is a significant milestone, not only for Nissan and the Renault-Nissan Alliance, but also for the entire automotive industry," said Nissan President and CEO Carlos Ghosn at the Nissan LEAF offline ceremony. "Consumers are clear. They want sustainable and affordable mobility...and the Alliance is leading the way with cars that deliver exactly that, with the reliability, excitement and performance that consumers demand. The high-quality, innovative Nissan LEAF will radically transform what consumers expect from automobile manufacturers worldwide."

www.gizmag.com/nissan-leaf-manufacture-japan/16782/

(Price: about $30,000; range on a charge: 180 KM)

Tatarewicz  posted on  2010-11-01   1:48:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#0)

WashPost: War with Iran would rescue economy

No it won't. the WP overlooks one important fact. When Germany and later the U.S. climbed out of the depression in WWII, the factories were already still in place, just shutdown during the depression. And these factories were reopened and retooled.

That is not the case now. The local factories in the U.S. have been torn down.

There is no domestic infrastructure for a war economy in the U.S. And the government issuing war bonds would just hyper-inflate the U.S. dollar even more.

Because of the anti-americanism tearing down this nation to it's foundations, if the U.S. gets into a conventional war with nation that can match us blow for blow, the U.S. will be forced to use it's nukes to win, or at least survive.

Think about that. By you anti-war/anti-americans tearing down the U.S., you may have doomed the world to a nuclear world war within a decade, because the U.S. will have nothing else, but it's nukes, to fall back on to defend itself.

That, or the D.C. government may just nuke our own nation to maintain control of the population, or what is left of the population. (I based the beginning the book I wrote and got published on that premise.)

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-11-01   5:20:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: PaulCJ (#3)

because the U.S. will have nothing else, but it's nukes, to fall back on to defend itself.

Or because our .mil have been wasted on wars of choice. Who made that choice? It wasn't us.

**you anti-war/anti-americans**

We're not responsible for this mess. We are anti-war for a reason. That reason is: none of these current wars were necessary.

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PSUSA  posted on  2010-11-01   5:44:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: PSUSA (#4)

Or because our .mil have been wasted on wars of choice.

The rest of the world has been at war with the U.S. as some level for half a century. Usually at the economic level.

There was never a choice.

As such, you completely ignore my point.

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-11-01   6:26:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: PaulCJ (#5)

As such, you completely ignore my point.

No I didn't. I agreed with you up to that point in your post.

I just don't accept the blame.

I don't equate economic competition with warfare. But it does lead to warfare when the "elites" toes get stepped on too hard.

In case you haven't noticed, none of us here can be considered to be one of the "elites". We're the bullet catchers and cannon fodder.

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PSUSA  posted on  2010-11-01   6:54:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: PSUSA (#6)

I don't equate economic competition with warfare.

It is all warfare. Have you even heard of the trade wars?

Foreign nations have bribed traitors in DC to ship jobs to their nations without firing a shot. Driving a population to homelessness and starvation is an act of war.

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-11-01   7:07:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: PaulCJ (#7)

Foreign nations have bribed traitors in DC to ship jobs to their nations without firing a shot. Driving a population to homelessness and starvation is an act of war.

Foreign nations have not bribed DC to send jobs there. If you say they did, then how did they bribe them?

IMO it's all about cheap labor. Corporations made their own decisions to move there. But DC doesn't penalize that behavior, or reward those that keep their jobs here, like the .gov should.

Its the globalized merging of .gov and corporations that is the problem, not other nations peoples that benefit. They didn't do anything wrong. The only people that would die in a real war are the common people, not the elites. We're all in the same boat here, no matter where we live.

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PSUSA  posted on  2010-11-01   7:28:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: PSUSA (#8) (Edited)

1. Foreign nations have not bribed DC to send jobs there.

2. If you say they did, then how did they bribe them?

1. Yes, they have.

2. Campaign donations, kickbacks, insider trading, outright bribery, high paying jobs or money for family members... The list goes on and on...

The EPA, ATF, IRS, and all the other alphabet government agencies were secretly funded in creation, for over a century, by foreign interests to destroy the U.S.

This is globalism, the destruction of nations by foreign interests.

All, and I mean ALL, of the problems americans are facing now are the fault, and caused by foreign interests.

It is no surprise that those in D.C. are quislings that values the desires of foreign interests of the domestic needs of the american population.

Look at most of those in D.C. right now, they don't give a damn about the american population, only how they look towards foreigners.

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-11-01   8:12:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: PaulCJ, all (#3)

No it won't. the WP overlooks one important fact. When Germany and later the U.S. climbed out of the depression in WWII, the factories were already still in place, just shutdown during the depression. And these factories were reopened and retooled.

That is not the case now. The local factories in the U.S. have been torn down.

There is no domestic infrastructure for a war economy in the U.S. And the government issuing war bonds would just hyper-inflate the U.S. dollar even more.

Because of the anti-americanism tearing down this nation to it's foundations, if the U.S. gets into a conventional war with nation that can match us blow for blow, the U.S. will be forced to use it's nukes to win, or at least survive.

Think about that. By you anti-war/anti-americans tearing down the U.S., you may have doomed the world to a nuclear world war within a decade, because the U.S. will have nothing else, but it's nukes, to fall back on to defend itself.

That, or the D.C. government may just nuke our own nation to maintain control of the population, or what is left of the population. (I based the beginning the book I wrote and got published on that premise.)

Once again you show your cowardice just as you do by refusing to serve your country in the wars you claim are so necessary for our survival. You call me anti-American because I do not dance in the blood of dead GI's like you do, all the while having me on your bozo list because of your inability to refute my comments to you.

No it won't. the WP overlooks one important fact. When Germany and later the U.S. climbed out of the depression in WWII, the factories were already still in place, just shutdown during the depression. And these factories were reopened and retooled.

That is not the case now. The local factories in the U.S. have been torn down.

You keep making up these outright and easily refutable lies in order to try and bolster your point. Actually I don't know if they are lies or you are just grossly uninformed. You did the same thing yesterday when you claimed there was no where in the market to invest when in fact there are multiple dozens of mutual funds whose returns are and have been in the double digits.

The United States is the largest manufacturing country in the world - by far. A simple internet search will prove this. The only way anyone comes close is by pooling all of Europe together. China isn't even close to having out manufacturing might.

Go spread your lies somewhere else ass wipe. You need a less informed audience to get away with your bullshit and this site isn't is.

I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. - Benjamin Franklin

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-11-01   8:30:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: PaulCJ (#9)

2. Campaign donations, kickbacks, insider trading, outright bribery, high paying jobs or money for family members... The list goes on and on...

All true.

China did this with klinton to either get or maintain MFN trading status. But that does not mean that corporations did not move offshore for more profits, apart from anything that our .gov did. But imo it is more than likely that our domestic corporations continue to bribe our own .gov to keep them from being penalized from moving offshore.

IMO our enemy is our own .gov. They are the traitors that sold us out. Foreign governments aren't responsible for our protection; our .gov is. And the sooner they hang by their necks until they are dead, the better I will like it.

This is why I hope republipukes win. I dont give a flying fuck about repubs. A win will add to the chaos. Governments demand stability in order to remain in power. Remove that stability and they crash. And imo we are very close to a crash right now. I am in favor of anything that will hasten that crash. A true revolution wont happen until all other options are exhausted. And there are still perceived options for the sheep to exercise. When they no longer even have the perception of an option any longer, then we can go to work on changing things.

** Look at most of those in D.C. right now, they don't give a damn about the american population, only how they look towards foreigners. **

If that was the case, the US would not be so hated right now. IMO they only care about feathering their own nests. And they will sell out their own mothers to do it.

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PSUSA  posted on  2010-11-01   8:49:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: PSUSA (#11) (Edited)

All true.

China did this with klinton to either get or maintain MFN trading status. But that does not mean that corporations did not move offshore for more profits, apart from anything that our .gov did. But imo it is more than likely that our domestic corporations continue to bribe our own .gov to keep them from being penalized from moving offshore.

IMO our enemy is our own .gov. They are the traitors that sold us out. Foreign governments aren't responsible for our protection; our .gov is. And the sooner they hang by their necks until they are dead, the better I will like it.

This is why I hope republipukes win. I dont give a flying fuck about repubs. A win will add to the chaos. Governments demand stability in order to remain in power. Remove that stability and they crash. And imo we are very close to a crash right now. I am in favor of anything that will hasten that crash. A true revolution wont happen until all other options are exhausted. And there are still perceived options for the sheep to exercise. When they no longer even have the perception of an option any longer, then we can go to work on changing things.

** Look at most of those in D.C. right now, they don't give a damn about the american population, only how they look towards foreigners. **

If that was the case, the US would not be so hated right now. IMO they only care about feathering their own nests. And they will sell out their own mothers to do it.

I am glad you agree with me.

Since you will admit that those in D.C. are controlled by foreign nations. You need to take the next logical step.

Please, also don't blame the U.S. as nation, for the actions taken by the traitors in D.C., and their foreign masters that use the U.S. as proxy to fight THEIR wars.

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-11-01   9:30:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#0)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2010-11-01   9:31:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: PaulCJ (#12)

Since you will admit that those in D.C. are controlled by foreign nations. You need to take the next logical step.

I would say that they are controlled by israel and israel alone. No one gets to high office without kissing the kikes ass first. No one. Even a fuckwit like Palin knows this.

**Since you will admit that those in D.C. are controlled by foreign nations.**

israel plays on our politicians greed. It's the greed that controls them. Without that greed and lust for power, israel would have no hold on them.

** Please, also don't blame the U.S. as nation, for the actions taken by the traitors in D.C., and their foreign masters that use the U.S. as proxy to fight THEIR wars. **

I blame those citizens that are willfully ignorant and dont give a damn until it affects them personally. If it wasn't for them, the mess would have been cleaned up long ago without any bloodshed. Now, bloodshed is imminent imho. I just hope that the sheep figure out who the real wolves are. My fear is that they won't. Give people a week once a real revolution starts and this government is kaput. It's what comes after that that is the big question and the one I worry about.

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PSUSA  posted on  2010-11-01   9:55:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: PSUSA (#14)

I would say that they are controlled by israel and israel alone.

I would say that D.C. is whoring itself out to the highest bidder. For example, sometimes China, sometimes the Saudis, etc...

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-11-01   11:59:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: PaulCJ (#15)

I can see that.

But imo before they can trick themselves out to other countries, they first need to give their very best mind-blowing knee-buckling blowjobs to the kikes. Otherwise they dont even get the chance to reap from other countries.

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PSUSA  posted on  2010-11-01   12:17:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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