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Title: The GOP's Dangerous and Destructive Brinksmanship Is About to Pay Off
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Published: Nov 1, 2010
Author: http://www.alternet.org/story/148684/the
Post Date: 2010-11-01 10:52:39 by tom007
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Views: 447
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The GOP's Dangerous and Destructive Brinksmanship Is About to Pay Off The GOP has successfully created the meme that 'hopey, changey' politics are dead and that electoral participation doesn't really change anything. October 30, 2010 |

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From outside of Washington, the process of politics appears to be hopelessly broken. After a stunning campaign that energized a new generation of voters, the Obama administration seems as dysfunctional as any that came before it. Hope and change have turned into the same old gridlock.

From inside the Beltway, however, the origins of this political paralysis are clearer. Engineered by Republicans and enabled by Blue Dog Democrats, the plan to obstruct administration policies is expected to pay big dividends for Republicans on Tuesday.

When Barack Obama executed a nearly flawless election campaign in 2008, the Republicans – who just five years prior expected to maintain a “permanent Republican majority” – faced an existential crisis. If Obama delivered on his promises, he could become the Bobby Kennedy who lived. Camelot II could have captured the imagination of a generation of young voters. Stopping Obama’s agenda and extinguishing that spark of hope was the GOP's only hope of long-term political survival.

Their plan took nerve, but by toughing out the short-term criticisms from political pundits, the GOP plan to obstruct virtually every administration initiative – including ones the Republicans themselves had proposed in recent years – has succeeded in making the Democrats look inept (admittedly not an insurmountable objective). While there is certainly much to criticize in Democratic strategy, the Republicans understood that only a minority of American voters actually follow the details of Washington politics enough to lay the blame where it belongs.

Most Americans see Washington as a political black box. They see the head on top of the box and they see what comes out the other end, but few follow the byzantine process by which the political sausage gets made. Many younger first-time voters thought they had changed the “head” atop the box from Bush to Obama so it should be crapping roses out the other end by now. The Republican strategy was to dash their expectations by obstructing the intestines inside the body politic.

The Republican gambit was twofold. First, they mobilized the extremists from their base to make as much noise as possible. They shouted down members of Congress in town hall meetings with accusations of “Obamacare death panels” and other wild claims that terrorized Blue Dog Democrats into siding with the GOP. Second, and more importantly, they now had enough votes in the Senate to block major aspects of Obama’s agenda. It was there that the GOP would become the sphincter of Washington and constipate the political process.

There was an inherent risk in the GOP strategy that the media might call them out and identify them as the source of the dysfunction, but unlike "American Idol" or "Dancing with the Stars," the narrative of politics is long and complicated. Undecided swing voters – the clueless ones who after eight years of Bush policies, still didn’t know which party they supported – were unlikely to follow the arcane procedural obstacles employed by Senate Republicans. They voted for change and Democrats weren’t delivering.

While the political commentariat rightly characterized the GOP as the “party of NO,” the mainstream media did little to analyze the deliberate strategy of blockage and obstruction. Rather, they focused on the horse race aspect of politics by reporting on wins and losses. The Republicans rightly gambled that many voters – especially the new and undecided voters – would blame the head of the body rather than explore the messy and complicated guts.

The GOP has successfully created the meme that “hopey, changey” politics are dead and that electoral participation doesn't really change anything. Many 18- to 30-year-old voters who helped bring Obama to power have become increasingly convinced that Washington will never change and that Obama represents business as usual. While there are many reasons to be cynical about Washington, those who stay home on Election Day will be enabling the ultimate act of cynicism by rewarding the Republican strategy of constipation and dysfunction. By not voting, they will be rewarding the assholes. Sanho Tree is a fellow at the Institute for Policy Studies in Washington, DC. This article expresses his personal opinions.

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#1. To: All (#0)

"Satan / Cheney in "08" Just Foreign Policy Iraqi Death Estimator

tom007  posted on  2010-11-01   10:56:42 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: tom007 (#0)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2010-11-01   11:07:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: ghostdogtxn (#2)

Sanho Tree is a fellow at the Institute for Policy Studies

So nice to see you drooling over an article written by the Institute for Policy Studies

They're a globalist leftwing Soros supported think tank.

Enjoy, your true colors are shining through. Don't forget to vote!

WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)

Flintlock  posted on  2010-11-01   11:14:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Flintlock (#3)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2010-11-01   11:27:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: ghostdogtxn (#4) (Edited)

For about a minute the Tea Party had a libertarian bent, and America had hope,

It still does, but nothing short of full blown revolution will satisfy a burned out loser like you.

So we are all fucked thanks to cocksuckers like you.

I dare you to say that to my face you wetback loving puke.

WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)

Flintlock  posted on  2010-11-01   11:34:20 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Flintlock (#5)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2010-11-01   11:37:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: ghostdogtxn (#6) (Edited)

Anytime, anywhere you wetback loving puke.

Thanks for pointing out you are too stupid to recognize a gauntlet slapped in your face and thrown at your feet.

post edited.

WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)

Flintlock  posted on  2010-11-01   11:44:43 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Flintlock (#7)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2010-11-01   11:56:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: ghostdogtxn (#2)

What they don't understand, and what the American people don't understand, is that the GOP would rather have the country literally burn to ashes than have it run by "Demon-Rats".

You sound like that is a bad thing.

Right now it is either a direct bullet to the heart by the Reps. Or slow poisoning by the Dems.

Chances of survival are higher in the long term in getting shot in the heart, then poisoning.

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-11-01   12:01:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: ghostdogtxn (#2)

What they don't understand, and what the American people don't understand, is that the GOP would rather have the country literally burn to ashes than have it run by "Demon-Rats".

This does seem to be the case. Not by their words but their actions.

"Satan / Cheney in "08" Just Foreign Policy Iraqi Death Estimator

tom007  posted on  2010-11-01   12:02:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: PaulCJ (#9)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2010-11-01   12:05:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: tom007 (#10)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2010-11-01   12:06:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: ghostdogtxn (#8)

So if you want to give me your name and address, I'd be glad to arrange for your tires to be slashed, or pay one of my wetback pals to pay your boyfriend a visit, or maybe your kid just wouldn't make it home from daycare. I won't give you my personal information, because I don't really have any interest in getting caught after I've done something really really vile to you.

Nice threats, you really are a burned out loser with a twisted mind. I feel sorry for you, you're a frustrated revolutionary without a revolution, a wetback lawyer, probably a public defender or one of those guys you see hanging around traffic court.

You're no Gerry Spence or F Lee Bailey, that's for sure.

I'll give you my address but you'll have to promise not to try to peek at me in the shower while you hide in the bushes jerking off.

WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)

Flintlock  posted on  2010-11-01   12:20:52 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Flintlock (#13)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2010-11-01   12:27:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: tom007 (#0) (Edited)

I had somehow hoped, obviously in futility, that we could disagree without being disagreeable.

The Republicans have, I think, been extremely bad sports about the 2008 elections ... made it extremely difficult for the Dems to do much, even to address urgent crises ... and generally followed a "rule or ruin" gameplan. This unfortunately is an omen that, if the Republicans win majorities in the House and Senate, they will essentially block most Obama proposals and Obama will probably refuse to sign most Republican legislation, with the result that the rest of us will suffer, not from inferior solutions but from none at all.

It now is my forelorn hope that the Republicans once in office will be more adult than on the campaign trail and actually devote their talents to moving this country forward.

{PS: I think the voters will figure out the Republican gameplan by 2012 and the Dems will have a resurgence. Even the teapartiers will realize that Republicans throw away teabags once they're used.}

Shoonra  posted on  2010-11-01   12:31:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: ghostdogtxn (#14)

I'm just advising you of how I will respond.

Just go out tomorrow and vote Republican to throw out the supporters of Obama, Reid and Pelosi.

We can have the revolution, duel later.

WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)

Flintlock  posted on  2010-11-01   12:31:48 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: ghostdogtxn (#12)

Honestly, though, the Dems aren't much better.

Roger that.

"Satan / Cheney in "08" Just Foreign Policy Iraqi Death Estimator

tom007  posted on  2010-11-01   12:37:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Flintlock (#16)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2010-11-01   12:38:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Shoonra (#15)

I had somehow hoped, obviously in futility, that we could disagree without being disagreeable.

?????

"Satan / Cheney in "08" Just Foreign Policy Iraqi Death Estimator

tom007  posted on  2010-11-01   12:39:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Shoonra (#15)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2010-11-01   12:40:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Shoonra (#15)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2010-11-01   12:41:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: ghostdogtxn (#20)

this is the reason our only hope (and i'm talking mustard seed size) for change is dumping out establishment elitist scumbags both R & D. let me be clear. i don't expect much. i am looking forward to the angst that this election, should there be a significant number unseated, of my favorite obots. you know of whom i speak.

christine  posted on  2010-11-01   13:23:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: christine (#22)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2010-11-01   13:30:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: ghostdogtxn (#23)

It IS our only hope. And I'm not going to be lead down the garden path of "if we can only elect more Pubbies" or the converse, for that matter.

The Tea Parties getting incumbents booted from the primaries is a good start.

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-11-01   13:46:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Shoonra, tom007, Ghostdogtxn (#15)

... if the Republicans win majorities in the House and Senate, they will essentially block most Obama proposals and Obama will probably refuse to sign most Republican legislation, with the result that the rest of us will suffer, not from inferior solutions but from none at all.

Gridlock! Gridlock! WE WANT GRIDLOCK!

"Nobody's Life, Liberty, or Happiness is safe while the Congress is in session." ~ Unk.

I don't care for the D's or the R's and a pox on both their houses, and the rat that followed them.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-11-01   13:49:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: PaulCJ, ghostdogtxn (#24)

The Tea Parties getting incumbents booted from the primaries is a good start.

That fits my current view - vote against the incumbent regardless of party (except Ron Paul).

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-11-01   13:51:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: PaulCJ (#24)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2010-11-01   15:41:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Original_Intent (#25)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2010-11-01   15:43:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Original_Intent (#26)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2010-11-01   15:43:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: ghostdogtxn (#28)

Under the circumstances gridlock is the best possible outcome. I did not say it was a desirable outcome - other than it will act, to some small degree, as a brake on the world control agenda of the Alpha Banksters and Psychiatrists who wish to establish total, and I do mean TOTAL, control down to what people are "allowed" to think.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-11-01   16:01:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: ghostdogtxn (#29)

We definitely need more Ron Pauls.

Amen.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-11-01   16:02:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: ghostdogtxn (#27)

The problem is that the Tea Parties seem to have been co-opted by the establishment GOP.

Nope. The Tea Parties have put their money where their mouth is.

There has been major problems between the Tea Parties and the beltway party, not just in the primaries.

You and others like to say that those in the D.C. beltway are just one party. Finally when a new group of people stand up, has shown to have vast amount of political power, and start getting the incumbents thrown out, you attack the new group.

You are a puppet for the beltway.

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-11-02   1:39:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: PaulCJ (#32)

Finally when a new group of people stand up, has shown to have vast amount of political power, and start getting the incumbents thrown out, you attack the new group.

Well said, thank you.

WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)

Flintlock  posted on  2010-11-02   1:49:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Flintlock (#33)

Well said, thank you.

You're welcome.

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-11-02   2:33:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: ghostdogtxn (#4)

For about a minute the Tea Party had a libertarian bent, and America had hope, but the Tea Party jumped into bed with the GOP

Its the other way around.

Somewhere, Jimmy Carter is laughing and saying, "Finally! I won't be the worst President ever!"

mirage  posted on  2010-11-02   4:40:29 ET  (4 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: mirage (#35)

First three are funny. The forth I am not so sure. It could have a couple of different means.

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-11-02   5:51:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: PaulCJ (#32)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2010-11-02   9:48:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: ghostdogtxn (#37)

When the Tea Party stood for non-interventionism, a reduction in foreign aid, a reduction in the size and scope of the federal gummint, an audit of the Federal Reserve, bringing the troops home and securing our borders, I was all for it.

You are asking for rightfully angry population to be pacifists. You are a fool for asking so.

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-11-02   10:06:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: PaulCJ (#38)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2010-11-02   11:18:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: ghostdogtxn (#39)

So the Tea Party is gonna take it's "rightful anger" out on US soldiers, our budget, a bunch of arabs and some cavemen in the Middle East?

No, that is what you are doing. You take you anger out on everyone but the government.

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-11-02   11:52:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: PaulCJ (#40)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2010-11-02   11:59:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: ghostdogtxn (#41)

Hey, at least I am not desperately trying to legitimize a non-mainstream movement by moving it into the mainstream.

You prove your a plant by stated a catch-22. If they are not part of the "mainstream", you say the Tea Party is not legitimate. And if the Tea Party is part of the "mainstream", you say the Tea Party is no legitimate.

What happened for you to hate Americans this much, did the local chapter of the Tea Party throw you out of their meeting?

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-11-02   12:17:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: PaulCJ, ghostdogtxn (#40)

No, that is what you are doing. You take you anger out on everyone but the government.

ghostdogtxn,

Have you ever noticed that anytime someone posts an article which shows the government in a negative light that PaulCJ shows up to defend the government? Yet now here he is, whining because you aren't attacking the government. He's playing some sort of game here.

I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. - Benjamin Franklin

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-11-02   12:20:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: PaulCJ (#42)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2010-11-02   12:26:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: PaulCJ (#42)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2010-11-02   12:30:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#43)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2010-11-02   12:31:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: ghostdogtxn (#46)

I'm not "not attacking the government".

I'm just questioning whether the Tea Party movement has been taken over by neocons.

Apparently it has.

I never claimed you were attacking the government. You missed my point. Nevermind.

I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. - Benjamin Franklin

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-11-02   12:37:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#47)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2010-11-02   12:45:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: PaulCJ (#36)

The forth I am not so sure. It could have a couple of different means.

To me it says that the GOP has been trying to issue orders to the Tea Party to go after the Dems. The Tea Party declined.

GOP establishment HATES the Tea Party because the establishment thinks they can use the Tea Party to go after the Democrats.

The Tea Party will not go. Keep in mind, its a decentralized organization made of small groups. ANYONE can set up a group can call themselves the "South City Tea Party".

Appropriately, as a collective consciousness, the Tea Party movement has decided its best bet is to seize the GOP and rattle it.

Around here the message from Tea Party groups is simple.

"Do as the PEOPLE say. Listen to the PEOPLE or in two years, we will replace you again. GOT IT?"

Ignore the BS and fluff.

Somewhere, Jimmy Carter is laughing and saying, "Finally! I won't be the worst President ever!"

mirage  posted on  2010-11-02   13:07:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: ghostdogtxn (#46)

I'm just questioning whether the Tea Party movement has been taken over by neocons.
Apparently it has.

A leaderless movement cannot be taken over. Please, show me the National Tea Party Headquarters and their fearless leader.

You can't.

ANYONE can start a group and call it the "South City Tea Party" or the "West Redneck Tea Party".

That is the entire problem with the perception. The Media assumes there is someone behind it pulling strings. EVERYONE assumes there is a centralized something-or-other.

There isn't. Maybe in a couple of the Tea Party GROUPS, but as a whole there is no central organization and there is no leader.

Thus, even the DC establishment GOP hacks are putting out propaganda.

...and the sheeple are buying it hook, line, and sinker...

Somewhere, Jimmy Carter is laughing and saying, "Finally! I won't be the worst President ever!"

mirage  posted on  2010-11-02   13:10:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: mirage (#50)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2010-11-02   13:17:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: ghostdogtxn (#51)

And by not clearly setting out what they stood for, the Tea Party folks practically invited every opportunistic pol from Maine to California to join the "movement/non-movement"

Hazard of how the thing is put together with no central organization. Even Democrats are starting their own faux-tea-parties to run independent candidates.

From hanging out with local Tea Party groups, I can distill their demands to three.

1) STOP THE SPENDING. They wrote letters when Bush started. They were ignored.
2) LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE. Many of them went to Town Hall meetings to have the politicians blow them off.
3) OBEY THE CONSTITUTION.

Its really not difficult to do once you talk to them. Now, HOW they want that done is another matter (rabble rabble) and isn't likely to be resolved anytime within the next century.

Somewhere, Jimmy Carter is laughing and saying, "Finally! I won't be the worst President ever!"

mirage  posted on  2010-11-02   13:22:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: mirage, cynicom (#52)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2010-11-02   13:34:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: ghostdogtxn, cynicom (#53)

But then the war comes up, and they split up into camps.

That's fine. No two people are going to absolutely agree on everything.

The key is to tie this back to "Stop the Spending". Even the most rabid war monger will grudgingly give it up when the country is going broke.

Personally, I see a new wave of classic Ron Paul style "isolation" coming in the not so distant future.

Keep with the economic/finance theme and you win because even the most rabid neocon responds when the purse is empty.

The "Generational Theft" argument that the neocons use applies directly to them in this case. Remember, it is easier to use someone's own argument against them than it is to think about how to convince them using your own.

I'm jazzed over this because for the first time, I can use someone's own rhetoric against them to get exactly what I want and there is no way they can dismiss it.

It is a historic opportunity. Ride the wave.

Somewhere, Jimmy Carter is laughing and saying, "Finally! I won't be the worst President ever!"

mirage  posted on  2010-11-02   13:50:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: mirage (#54)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2010-11-02   15:08:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: mirage (#54)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2010-11-02   15:09:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: ghostdogtxn (#56)

I think the only way we are going to take their toys away is to thrash the spenders on all fronts, which means nothing is off limits.

It is the only way to win. Hammer the economic issues and don't let up the pressure.

Remind the Republicans that they serve at OUR pleasure and that should they choose to make us unhappy, they will be replaced.

What we have going for us is that, front and center in the media, lies the Debt, the Deficit, and Unemployment. That is not likely to change.

Even 60 Minutes is doing specials on people who are PISSED at the economic mess we are in.

Its a wave to be ridden and it is a beautiful thing. The only answer is to cut spending and cut taxes. Raising taxes will murder what is left of the economy and turn Obama into Nixon overnight.

I hope I'm right in all of this; what I do know is that if the direction is not changed, we will be doing this again in 2012 and every two years after that until things get pulled in the right direction.

It may become a process; I am hopeful it gets sorted out today -- but regardless, it is a GOOD THING to scare the living daylights out of the politicians. If nothing else, causing them to freak out every time they look at We The People is an outstanding result.

Somewhere, Jimmy Carter is laughing and saying, "Finally! I won't be the worst President ever!"

mirage  posted on  2010-11-02   15:26:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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