Tim Turner et al claim to have taken the republic back to 1860, the last time we had a Constitutional government [this republic will supposedly cover non-whites and women, which the first Constitution, of course, did not.]
**** [caveat: I believe our "founders" where in cahoots with the British "Crown", trying to bring the nation into tax-paying bondage ( http://www.apfn.org/apfn/queen.htm ) and that our true founding was in 1607 with a cross at Cape Henry ( www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55421 ....Christ's kingdom is in the world now - bible.cc/matthew/12-28.htm - , birth into His kingdom is by "being born again of the Spirit", and the children of this King do not pay taxes...discharging them as Jesus did, by taking the money from the "fish" or via www.real-debt-elimination...imination_and_HJR-192.htm could accomplish the same thing, however, so as "not to offend them".)....so we'll have to see how this all plays out...He who does not build His house on the Rock, builds it in vain...Turner purports to be a Christian, and says he believes America is a Christian nation. However, I saw something on one of his sites a couple of months ago which causes me to think he might also be a dispensationalist, although he is also on the SPLC's list of Sovereign Citizen extremists. ("Sovereign Citizen" is an oxymoron, btw.) I THINK he's sincere...some people think he is still working for FEMA.... but I still do not know for sure. However I shall soon get a first-hand look at whether his process works or not when one comes up against the Beast.]