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Title: Please Help -Vaccination Issue
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Published: Nov 4, 2010
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Post Date: 2010-11-04 00:14:45 by wudidiz
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Comments: 28

The public health nurse is pressuring us to get our 15 month old vaccinated.

I'm against it. My wife is on the fence. Of course the nurse is all for it.

Does anyone know of any very good, credible, concise, clear, succinct, convincing documents or websites I could download and print to show my wife and ones to show the nurse?

Thank you in advance.

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-11-04   0:36:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

www.healthlinkbc.ca/immunization.stm

Click on the graph partway down the page. He's 15 months and hasn't had any yet. I imagine they'll want to give them all to him. I don't know.

wudidiz  posted on  2010-11-04   0:50:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

There is a good video about vaccines. I'll have to ask a friend for the name. I've seen it twice now and it is pretty powerful. I'll find out about it tomorrow and get back to you.

Tough women come from New York, sweet women from Texas, prissy women from Southern California, but we NORTHERN CALIFORNIA WOMEN have fire & ice in our blood. We can ride 4-wheelers, be a princess, throw a left hook, pack heat, hunt with the men, bake a cake, love with passion, and if we have an opinion, you know you're going to hear it!!

farmfriend  posted on  2010-11-04   0:50:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Dr. Sherri Tenpenney's website: www.sayingnotovaccines.com/

Should have everything you need.

christine  posted on  2010-11-04   1:14:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I'm against it. My wife is on the fence. Of course the nurse is all for it.

The power of indoctrination....

Have you read the book, "The Sanctity of Human Blood" ?

http://www.thedoctorwithin.com/home/Sanctity-Human-Blood

http://www.immunitionltd.com/book/vaccination-is-not-immunization.htm

HighLairEon  posted on  2010-11-04   1:15:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

https://www.storesonlinepro.com/files/2383179/uploaded/Addendum%20P%20%20--%20Sample%20Philosphical%20Exemption%20Form.pdf

Philosophical Exemption Form

christine  posted on  2010-11-04   1:23:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Thank you. So I burned the link frm HLE and christine each along with a few others I found to dvd, but must now run. Meet with the nurse tomorrow and I will give them to her to read after my wife reads them tonight. Love you guys all.

wudidiz  posted on  2010-11-04   1:26:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Dr. Sherri Tenpenney

i'd 2nd that recommendation. also, check out dr. russel blaylock. Christine, do you know what his website is?

I know this info can be overwhelming, but i recently heard an interview by Joyce riley of 'the power hour' radio show interview Sherri Tenpenney. It was so good i want to download it and give it to several women relatives of mine, and friends. two women discussing vaccines and giving true info. better than a ranting angry guy shouting., (more effective for women). (I actually heard this in the car on an actual radio station, by accident. very weird and unusual).

also-- i have someone i know who has a kid who was going into school. the school was pressuring her and said she 'had to' vaccinate. i had told her some time ago that that they would do that, and that it is a lie. she looked up the state waiver and printed it out, signed it and gave it to them. they accepted it no questions. i do not know if canada has similar waiver? i'd imagine they would. be certain, calm and assured of yourself.

"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2010-11-04   1:33:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Canada

HEALTH CANADA STATEMENT ON IMMUNIZATION "Unlike some countries, immunization is not mandatory in Canada; it cannot be made mandatory because of the Canadian Constitution. Only three provinces have legislation or regulations under their health-protection acts to require proof of immunization for school entrance. Ontario and New Brunswick require proof for diphtheria, tetanus, polio, measles, mumps, and rubella immunization. In Manitoba, only measles vaccination is covered. It must be emphasized that, in these three provinces, exceptions are permitted for medical or religious grounds and reasons of conscience; legislation and regulations must not be interpreted to imply compulsory immunization. "

Ontario

Current Statutes & Laws (English): http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/index.html - English and French For additional help with exemptions, birth plan,etc questions: Check our Vaccination Liberation State Chapter and other resource organizations page for help in your state.

If your state specific help is not available, Contact us.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Available Exemptions Medical & Religious

Medical, Religious & Philosophical

Vaccine exemption forms can be obtained from your local health department. Ask for form #2. This needs to be filled out, and notarized and given to your child's school. Parents are advised to retain a copy for their own files, as schools often lose the forms, and the process then has to be repeated. Form #2 can be accessed in PDF format at: (.pdf) http://www.vran.org/docs/form-2.pdf

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etc etc at link http://www.vaclib.org/exempt/cana da.htm

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i also agree with what someone said above. don't argue w/ the nurse and make it personal, . that gives her power. know your rights, know what you want, and 'inform' her. not ask. not doubt. be sure not to let them know that your wife is undecided. they love playing families against each other.

"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2010-11-04   1:42:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

For one a 15 month old baby does not yet have a developed immune system. Vaccines rely upon immune reactions for their effect. A fifteen month old baby does not have enough of an immune system to react with and so it bypasses the defenses. That is one of the reasons you see children, particularly very young ones, have an onset of autism because their body does not have the defenses to deal with the vaccine.

A couple more links for your arsenal:

Dr. David Horowitz I don't agree with some of his philosophy but he does good research. This was probably the source of the video that FF was talking about.

Historical facts about the dangers (and failures) of vaccines

The Health Ranger Vaccine Zombie Song

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-11-04   1:48:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

http://www.blaylockreport.com/

www.russellblaylockmd.com/

christine  posted on  2010-11-04   1:51:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

HEALTH CANADA STATEMENT ON IMMUNIZATION "Unlike some countries, immunization is not mandatory in Canada; it cannot be made mandatory because of the Canadian Constitution. Only three provinces have legislation or regulations under their health-protection acts to require proof of immunization for school entrance. Ontario and New Brunswick require proof for diphtheria, tetanus, polio, measles, mumps, and rubella immunization. In Manitoba, only measles vaccination is covered. It must be emphasized that, in these three provinces, exceptions are permitted for medical or religious grounds and reasons of conscience; legislation and regulations must not be interpreted to imply compulsory immunization. "

good find!

christine  posted on  2010-11-04   1:54:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Dr. Sherri Tenpenney's website: www.sayingnotovaccines.com/

I think that is the gal that does the DVD I was talking about.

Tough women come from New York, sweet women from Texas, prissy women from Southern California, but we NORTHERN CALIFORNIA WOMEN have fire & ice in our blood. We can ride 4-wheelers, be a princess, throw a left hook, pack heat, hunt with the men, bake a cake, love with passion, and if we have an opinion, you know you're going to hear it!!

farmfriend  posted on  2010-11-04   2:15:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I did look at the website and she does have a DVD on vaccines.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-11-04   2:31:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

If you choose to vaccinate you should ask your GP to order single dose vials for your child and instruct the doctor that no cluster of shots be given in a single day. There is no medical reason to give a child multiple vaccines in a single visit, and the added expense of *single dose versus multi dose vials is no more than .50 per shot. The added safety and peace of mind of ordering single dose vials and single shots each office visit far outweigh the added expense and inconvenience of separate office visits for shots not given in a single visit.

I trust my GP and I would simply ask him to research the history and to administer the shots the same way they would have been given 40 years ago. If certain vaccines didn't exist then, I would ask the doctor to exercise extreme caution and administer each individually, even if I'm billed for separate office visits. It's not good enough if "only one in a million infants" react to shot clusters. Even those extreme odds aren't good enough when my child or yours is at issue.

On an ancillary note, when I lived in Davenport, IA some of the young doctors in training at Palmer Chiropractic sported bumper stickers that read "STOP BLOOD POLLUTION". If you are committed to this as a lifestyle choice and you're prepared to home school your children and/or move to a state where such choices are still legal for parents, then there is a network of parents, doctors, etc., who eschew all "blood pollution" and you won't be alone.

But, if your wife isn't a true believer you will inevitably lose that argument, so you'll be better served by a GP who will understand your concerns and administer the vaccines as safely as humanly possible.

Your GP should be happy to accommodate your wishes and not argue or otherwise make you feel uneasy because of your requests.

Remember you have Indiana Congressman Dan Burton on your side, and he has been the flag bearer for hearings on vaccines/autism after his two healthy twin grandsons received "shotgun blast vaccinations" and both were stricken with autism. Just because BIG PHARMA denies responsibility doesn't make it true. And they won't remove Thimerosal now for the same reason that Big Tobacco won't advertise a safe cigarette-how can they without admitting that the others aren't safe?

Also, Big Pharma has already been immunized against lawsuits for any vaccine related illnesses or consequences thanks to Clinton and Bush. SO, if every 100,000 children are stricken and Big Pharma cannot be sued and they continue to shower congress with "precious ingots" to prevent any serious studies or hearings about a pandemic that didn't exist 30 years ago, then it's up to you to protect your children while balancing your wife's fears about "walking on the wild side with radicals".

*Thimerosal or mercury is a preservative that's added to multi dose vials to kill any bacteria, virus or fungus that could be introduced through multiple needle sticks. Single dose vials require no such preservatives. Most doctors with fairly busy practices as well as clinics that vaccinate many children save a few pennies by ordering the large vials. If you specify Thimerosal-free single dose vials and ask to watch as the syringes are filled, and you direct your physician to space the vaccines out including the MMR vaccine (measles, mumps and rubella) shot, then you've taken all the precautions you can.

FYI, In Japan, the MMR vaccination has been discontinued, with single vaccines being used for each disease. Needless to say the Big Pharma criminals insist that Rates of autism diagnosis have continued to increase, showing no correlation with the change.[41] (wiki) (They don't study patients who are vaccinated with single dose or Thimerosal-free vaccines and I suspect that not enough Japanese parents are demanding it yet.)

If you read wiki and other shill literature they've never heard of anything so absurd as vaccines causing childhood autism but for G_D's sake don't ever give those lying bastards the benefit of the doubt, because if they're wrong they sacrifice nothing.

If your GP gives you any grief and suggests that "if every parent demanded separate visits for each vaccine" that it would unduly burden his practice, then it may be time to change doctors.

And, I'd like to suggest that you do the research and find the most compelling evidence and then sit Wifey down to read it. This should include the words of heartbroken parents describing the indifference of the medical establishment when their children were inexplicably stricken. It's important to let her see examples of the people we've been conditioned to trust suddenly turning into hunker down save asses who lawyer up and turn to ice when lives are destroyed and families are devastated....

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2010-11-04   2:38:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

As you know I'm not sold on the Thimerosal link to autism. I will agree there is a correlation. As we are oft to say in AGW debates, correlations is not causation. I have my reasons for disagreeing on that issue but I won't go into them here. I was intrigued by that one study that looked at the correlation and came up with another cause. I think that or something similar is much more likely.

Scientific Link to Autism Identified

Tough women come from New York, sweet women from Texas, prissy women from Southern California, but we NORTHERN CALIFORNIA WOMEN have fire & ice in our blood. We can ride 4-wheelers, be a princess, throw a left hook, pack heat, hunt with the men, bake a cake, love with passion, and if we have an opinion, you know you're going to hear it!!

farmfriend  posted on  2010-11-04   3:10:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Does anyone know of any very good, credible, concise, clear, succinct, convincing documents or websites I could download and print to show my wife and ones to show the nurse?

What State are you in ?

Every state has LEGAL exemptions for religious or conscience reasons.

Dr. Rebecca Carly ... www.republicbroadcastin http://g.org/r_carley.html

Her son was brain damaged as a direct result of vaccines. I don't share her religious views but you can see her website for great vaccine info.

"Politics and Religion are the building blocks of slavery and oppression. Greed is the mortar that bonds them" and bankers are the masons with trowels in hand !

noone222  posted on  2010-11-04   4:42:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The series of vaccines he's about to have is what usually causes Autism. Look up the cases of vaccine induced Autism, it all happens at about that age and that series of shots.

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-11-04   5:43:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-11-04   10:55:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

http://www.babiestoday.com/articles/immunizations-and-health/the-pros-and-cons-of-infant-vaccines-3293/4/

http://www.everydayhealth.com/infant-immunization/alternative-schedules-for-vaccines.aspx

Point out that the child, if home with her, won't be exposed to much of anything.

Point out that that in a free world, the vaccination rate would not be 100%, because however small the risk might be it's not ZERO.

Point out that vaccines are given in infancy not because it's better for the child (the child is home with mum, remember), but because infants complain less and cannot tell you in words how they feel.

If there is a reaction, wouldn't it be nice if your child was old enough to TELL you?

Especially with a first child, the first few times they get sick -- from anything -- can be very worrying and distressing. It would be nice if they could talk.

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Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2010-11-04   11:04:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

one more -

www.vaclib.org/legal/donotsign.htm

Do let us know how it goes, or doesn't.

Good luck.

Lod  posted on  2010-11-04   11:16:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Dr Sears Website on Vaccines. I know not everyone is going to agree with me or Dr Sears about what he says. But if you have a spouse who is dead set on a vaccine schedule, this might offer you some compromise. An amended schedule was the only way I could work out any compromise with my wife. I have thus far successfully been able to persuade my wife away from giving our child the H1N1 and flu last season and perhaps for this season as well (we'll see).

If the religious/moral issue of abortion applies to you, talk with your spouse about a handful of these vaccines having their origins with aborted fetal tissue. The MMR is chief among these.

As someone who has gone down this road before you, remember to talk to your spouse and surround everything in love and mercy. Anything done in anger won't get you very far. Dr Sears is pretty mainstream and sometimes that helps with the credibility factor.

"What began in Russia will end in America."- 1930, Elder Ignatius of Harbin, Manchuria.

scooter  posted on  2010-11-04   11:35:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I did look at the website and she does have a DVD on vaccines.

I double checked with my friend who shows us videos and she was the gal I was thinking of. I was pretty sure but I'm so bad with names.

Tough women come from New York, sweet women from Texas, prissy women from Southern California, but we NORTHERN CALIFORNIA WOMEN have fire & ice in our blood. We can ride 4-wheelers, be a princess, throw a left hook, pack heat, hunt with the men, bake a cake, love with passion, and if we have an opinion, you know you're going to hear it!!

farmfriend  posted on  2010-11-05   2:00:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Lot's of good advice here. I'd just like to mention that I've heard there is a retardation danger to the unborn if their mothers are exposed to Ruebella during pregnancy. There is a risk of febrile convulsions from vaccinations that I heard is maybe linked to something in the "P" part of the Whooping Cough vaccine. Keep babies and children cool and try cool baths if they get feverish.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2010-11-05   6:11:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

As you know I'm not sold on the Thimerosal link to autism. I will agree there is a correlation. As we are oft to say in AGW debates, correlations is not causation. I have my reasons for disagreeing on that issue but I won't go into them here. I was intrigued by that one study that looked at the correlation and came up with another cause. I think that or something similar is much more likely.

Understood.

If I tend to pounce on indictments of BIG PHARMA from any source it's because the American people are stonewalled by drug companies and the sold out congress and regulators.

Would you agree that because our children are at risk and the consequences are so devastating that all precautions should be taken instead of none?

For instance, what if our govt or the drug companies decided that in the name of minimizing variables and eliminating possible causes they removed all preservatives and recommended that all vaccines be given individually and at least 72 hrs apart?

Can you imagine what would happen if the inexplicable pandemic of autism suddenly disappeared?

And THAT is why BIG PHARMA won't remove the Thimerosal, and why a US Congressman has gotten nowhere in his campaign to end a quite likely preventable affliction of our nation's young.

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"It's a far piece from the horse-and-buggies of Lancaster County, Pa., to the cars and freeways of Cook County, Ill.

But thousands of children cared for by Homefirst Health Services in metropolitan Chicago have at least two things in common with thousands of Amish children in rural Lancaster: They have never been vaccinated. And they don't have autism." link

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Of course if we could make this much happen then we could also do actual studies to prove the (in)effectiveness of vaccines. The fact is there have never been any honest to goodness studies of vaccines.

People may find it hard to believe but doctors have to have something to offer patients, which is why there are so many antibiotic resistant strains of bugs these days. Doctors prescribed ABs for viral attacks knowing that they were useless, but they wanted to make patients feel better and to trigger the placebo effect which would have cured patients had they been prescribed sugar pills instead.

You may also recall the ancient wisdom of deliberately exposing children to chicken pox in order to avoid the greater risks if they contracted the disease as adults.

We now know that people cannot contract Herpes unless they've already had chickenpox. So, is it better to avoid the possibility of adult chicken pox by intentional exposure or to be immune to Herpes and shingles as adults?

As with fluoride in public water supplies once they are committed they'll never admit they were wrong, even if evidence begins to point to fluoridation as causation for the increases in some or all types of cancers.

I won't ask why you trust any source enough to decide one way or the other on the Thimerosal link to autism. I will ask if you trust them enough to side with those who would resist removing Thimerosal and changing the policy of multi shots in a single day?

If the problem of vial contamination can be eliminated by single dose packaging then there is no medical or public health reason not to implement this precaution. Because so much is at stake there is only one reason why BIG PHARMA would oppose it. (any concern about the added cost can be ignored-drug companies charge Americans more for the same drugs they sell overseas at a fraction of the prices we pay)

You're an experienced activist, and I challenge you to try and publicly energize a campaign for this purpose. Once you realize that there's an organized effort to keep you invisible and therefore ineffective you may reevaluate your reliance upon any studies that purport to eliminate mercury as the culprit. It may be true but that would be incidental because the drug criminals would never allow any serious studies to be published by researchers beyond their control our outside their influence. Remember, if they back a researcher whose findings are agreeable this month they can't very well discredit her or him next month if he finds something the BIG PHARMA doesn't want found.

There are known stats that should keep people from lining up for flu shots, such as, there are many different strains and no one knows before the flu season which strains will manifest or which vaccines should be mass produced.

AND, there have been no studies to determine who dies and who lives regardless of the flu shots or how many people die because they were vaccinated.

And last, if you side with those who are hiding the truth then they will use your support to push for mandatory vaccinations. Once that becomes reality then they can wipe out millions of worthless eaters in a single flu season with another "whoopsie" vaccine. In the past when they inoculated and killed people with live flu strains no one went to jail. In fact I doubt that anyone lost their jobs. And if someone "accidentally" lightens the SS and Medicare rolls they may receive the Presidential Medal Of Freedom instead of punishment.

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HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2010-11-09   9:57:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Oh I think Thimerosal should be removed from vaccines. They removed it from contact solution for safety reasons, how stupid to continue to use it in vaccines. I see no reason for mercury in any form to be in vaccines. I also think we need to re examine our vaccination policies.

I agree with everything you said. I just disagree that the correlation between vaccines and autism if solely because of Thimerosal. Correlation is not causation. I see it much like blaming CO2 for global warming. I have valid scientific reasons for believing Thimerosal is not the reason but that does not mean I discount the correlation entirely.

Tough women come from New York, sweet women from Texas, prissy women from Southern California, but we NORTHERN CALIFORNIA WOMEN have fire & ice in our blood. We can ride 4-wheelers, be a princess, throw a left hook, pack heat, hunt with the men, bake a cake, love with passion, and if we have an opinion, you know you're going to hear it!!

farmfriend  posted on  2010-11-09   11:07:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Thank you all so much for the advice and suggestions. It is both helpful and reassuring. I'm quite busy now, but regret not replying sooner so I am now. Still no shots yet anyway. Thank you again.

wudidiz  posted on  2010-11-18   23:26:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Thanks for taking the time to check back in and let us know how you're doing.

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GreyLmist  posted on  2010-11-19   0:44:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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