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Title: Guess I Should've Voted
Source: Antiwar.com
URL Source: http://news.antiwar.com/2010/11/03/ ... isavowed-afghan-drawdown-date/
Published: Nov 4, 2010
Author: Jason Ditz
Post Date: 2010-11-04 07:59:16 by Enderby
Keywords: None
Views: 578
Comments: 39

Flush with optimism after major victories in yesterday’s Congressional elections, House Republicans have promised one of their first orders of business is to attack President Obama’s July 2011 drawdown date in Afghanistan, despite the comparative handicap that the president already disavowed that date months ago.

Rep. Buck McKeon (R – CA), seen as a virtual lock to head the House Armed Services Committee, says that the committee’s top priority will be to continue the war in Afghanistan. McKeon pledged to work directly with commander Gen. David Petraeus to commit more equipment and resources to the war effort.

Upon taking office in 2009, President Obama quickly established Afghanistan as his war, dramatically and repeatedly escalating the US presence despite ever worsening conditions. It seems now that he will face challenges from Republicans looking to make it their war instead, and the race may be on to out-hawk one another on the war, despite poll data showing the war is increasingly unpopular among voters.


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"Be sure to vote, now. Voting changes things!" Yes. Slightly. And always for the worse.

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#1. To: Enderby (#0)

Once upon a time when I was in my youth

I found myself wandering into a voting booth

I had to make a choice between a liar and a thief

To lend my name and integrity

in support of a commander in chief

I did my citizen's duty but had to hold my nose

a communist or a fascist, eventually I chose

Not long after that I was headed for Vietnam

The son of a bitch I voted for wanted to drop the bomb

I made it home in one piece while others are still there

POWs and dead men, and the terrible fates they shared

That was last time for me to choose a lying thief

my fellow soldiers families have suffered so much grief

Some say that they feel better and others say they're free

that voting is the medicine that maintains liberty

of course I think that's bullshit some politicians jive

another way of using kids to help corporations thrive

So I think I'll stay home and reject the phoney crap

ignoring all things FEDERAL, it's just a bullshit trap

I'll do it for myself and all my dead comrades

that died for lying bastards when they were only lads.

"Politics and Religion are the building blocks of slavery and oppression. Greed is the mortar that bonds them" and bankers are the masons with trowels in hand !

noone222  posted on  2010-11-04   8:47:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: noone222 (#1)

Quite good!

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Enderby  posted on  2010-11-04   8:48:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Enderby, noone22 (#2)

Quite good!

Yes, very.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2010-11-04   9:03:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: noone222 (#1) (Edited)

P.S. I have to say, though, noone, that surrendering our system to interlopers and vandals and enimical forces is not the proper way, imo, to honor those who were taken from us, suffered, and endured in war. Quite the opposite. Our system is being misued. That's no reason to give it over to the abusers. At least give them some busywork to bog them down by continuing to exercise your right to vote, even if all you do is write-in Mickey Mouse as a candidate or something like that -- or, better yet, someone you'd like to see win, however likely it is that they can't under the hijacked circumstances. Let's have our own transitional elections -- right now. I'm going to vote for Ron Paul to be President, maybe everybody from the Tenth Amendment Center and Nullify Now for the House and Senate, Judge Andrew Napolitano and Edwin Viera, Jr. for Supreme Court nominees. Your turn. We have to stop wasting time on being down in the dumps and start setting things aright. Some might laugh us off or decline to take those positions as substitutes for the rogues who have wreaked havoc from our D.C. offices, but hey, some might accept and that would be so great, wouldn't it? It could happen but probably not if everyone who might want to try gets talked into doing nothing instead.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2010-11-04   10:02:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: GreyLmist, *Obama Blood Dancers* (#4)

I'm going to vote for Ron Paul to be President, maybe everybody from the Tenth Amendment Center and Nullify Now for the House and Senate, Judge Andrew Napolitano and Edwin Viera, Jr. for Supreme Court nominees. Your turn. We have to stop wasting time on being down in the dumps and start setting things aright

Thank you, and when did we begin to take Obama at his word (Re; the Afghanistan drawdown). Where is the "Ya' got to be shitting me" ping list regarding anything the Kenyan has promised? I'll believe this extension to OBAMA's war when I see it.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-11-04   10:11:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: GreyLmist (#4)

We have to stop wasting time on being down in the dumps and start setting things aright.

I'm not down in the dumps at all. I left the system a very long time ago and am in better shape than most.

The Federal system that people vote in today is not related to the original. It's a separate system developed for socialists. I'm not one of those in any way, shape, or form.

The centralized power structure makes those supporting it participants in the Empire Building agenda that murders people all over the world.

All of the phoney-bologna about the candidates and their concern for the country makes me ill. It's 100% bullshit and I'm not a bullshitter.

The only means of setting things right is to remove ourselves from the socialist mobocracy and re-populate the organic and Constitutional Government. All of the rest is mediocrity and a plain waste of time.

"Politics and Religion are the building blocks of slavery and oppression. Greed is the mortar that bonds them" and bankers are the masons with trowels in hand !

noone222  posted on  2010-11-04   10:27:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: noone222 (#1)

that's excellent

christine  posted on  2010-11-04   10:34:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Enderby (#0)

Rep. Buck McKeon (R – CA), seen as a virtual lock to head the House Armed Services Committee, says that the committee’s top priority will be to continue the war in Afghanistan. McKeon pledged to work directly with commander Gen. David Petraeus to commit more equipment and resources to the war effort.

there are no anti-war politicians. period.

christine  posted on  2010-11-04   10:39:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: christine (#8)

there are no anti-war politicians. period.

I don't think you are right. There has to be some. What about the dork from Cleveland Kucinich (did I spell it right?)

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-11-04   10:43:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Enderby (#0)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-11-04   11:02:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: noone222 (#1)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-11-04   11:03:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: noone222 (#6)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-11-04   11:08:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: noone222 (#1)

Not long after that I was headed for Vietnam

During that disgraceful debacle , I worked for the FAA at a regional airport. Nearly all of us were WW2 and Korean veterans. Hardly a week passed by but what some young kid made his last flight home. We watched, week after week, year after year. There was never any discussion, just stone cold silence as we watched the unloadings.

Tears yes, profane under the breath language, yes. All of us had been there before.

It became so common place that they would hide the hearse and honor guard until the last moment.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-11-04   11:12:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: noone222 (#1)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2010-11-04   11:27:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: A K A Stone (#9)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2010-11-04   11:29:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Eric Stratton (#12)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2010-11-04   11:30:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: ghostdogtxn (#15)

Kucinich and Ron Paul and ...

Well, I guess that's it.

Ron Paul voted for war in Afghanistan. When I was against it. I guess I'm wiser then Ron Paul.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-11-04   11:32:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Enderby (#0)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2010-11-04   11:35:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: A K A Stone (#17)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2010-11-04   11:43:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: ghostdogtxn (#19)

Don't get me wrong. I like Ron Paul. But he did vote to authorize force which is to authorize war. Also that was a blank check tied to the US code that any future president could envoke to enforce UN orders. I may be incorrect and that was the Iraq "war" vote.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-11-04   11:47:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Cynicom (#13)

It became so common place that they would hide the hearse and honor guard until the last moment.

Now they arrive in the dark of night at Dover with no press allowed.

Nice support for the troops.

Lod  posted on  2010-11-04   11:52:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: A K A Stone, 4 (#20)

RP explains why he opposes invading Iraq back in 2002 -

Lod  posted on  2010-11-04   11:57:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: A K A Stone (#20)

Don't get me wrong. I like Ron Paul. But he did vote to authorize force which is to authorize war.

He cited the similar action against the Barbary pirates who operated out of the Barbary states but were not part of the Barbary armed forces. In Af-Pak, the Taliban were not al-Qaeda but they did shelter them and received money from them.

There are many similarities between the two situations. I think it does pass constitutional muster.

Ron Paul also offered a full declaration of war and wanted to revive letters of marque and reprisal to hire mercs/turncoats to kill Osama and his henchmen.

TooConservative  posted on  2010-11-04   12:14:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: ghostdogtxn (#16) (Edited)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-11-04   12:22:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Eric Stratton (#10)

Secondly, as if there ever was a real drawdown to this shit!

you got that right. again, foreign policy and national security policy is the same with both parties. we know that they get their marching orders from the same PTB.

the difference is this time is that the new people voted in are not establishment politicians. they've already been maligned by the establishment pols within their own party. from what i've heard Rand Paul say, they have no intention of capitulating and, in fact, he intends to form a Tea Party caucus.

they're not in til January. let's give them a chance to see what they can do.

christine  posted on  2010-11-04   13:00:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Enderby, 4 (#0)

House Republicans have promised one of their first orders of business is to attack President Obama’s July 2011 drawdown date in Afghanistan

Enderby, about this "attack" on Obama's July 2011 drawdown date in Afghanistan, do you believe Obama will follow through on this?

A simple yes or no would work fine for me.

Thanks.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-11-04   13:03:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: christine (#25)

the difference is this time is that the new people voted in are not establishment politicians. they've already been maligned by the establishment pols within their own party. from what i've heard Rand Paul say, they have no intention of capitulating and, in fact, he intends to form a Tea Party caucus.

they're not in til January. let's give them a chance to see what they can do.

Hopefully the R leadership will learn that it is wise to back conservatives for office and conservative ideas for government. If for no other reasonn then they are popular and it will keep them in office.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-11-04   13:03:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Eric Stratton (#24)

If I ever see a "budge," then I may "join in" again. Otherwise I'll stick by my most recently developed opinion, namely that the thing they fear the most is apathy in the voting process b/c they A, cannot call us complicit, and B, know that we realize that the gig is up.

No. Not voting encourages them to listen to the other side that did vote for them. They don't listen to the fence sitters. They think you guys don't give a shit. They aren't sitting there scratching their heads with worry that you aren't going to vote again.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-11-04   13:06:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: christine (#25)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-11-04   13:26:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Eric Stratton (#12)

It finally hit me, thanks largely to you, why they force people to go out and vote in tyrannical governments.

Well, I'm totally flattered, thanks.

"Politics and Religion are the building blocks of slavery and oppression. Greed is the mortar that bonds them" and bankers are the masons with trowels in hand !

noone222  posted on  2010-11-04   13:35:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: christine (#7)

Thanks for the nice comment!

"Politics and Religion are the building blocks of slavery and oppression. Greed is the mortar that bonds them" and bankers are the masons with trowels in hand !

noone222  posted on  2010-11-04   13:37:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Cynicom (#13)

During that disgraceful debacle , I worked for the FAA at a regional airport. Nearly all of us were WW2 and Korean veterans. Hardly a week passed by but what some young kid made his last flight home.

The sweetest sound I ever heard was the landing gear being stowed as we departed Da Nang !

"Politics and Religion are the building blocks of slavery and oppression. Greed is the mortar that bonds them" and bankers are the masons with trowels in hand !

noone222  posted on  2010-11-04   13:39:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: ghostdogtxn (#14)

Thank you !!!

"Politics and Religion are the building blocks of slavery and oppression. Greed is the mortar that bonds them" and bankers are the masons with trowels in hand !

noone222  posted on  2010-11-04   13:40:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: noone222 (#30)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-11-04   13:42:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: A K A Stone (#20)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2010-11-04   13:51:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Jethro Tull (#5)

Thank you, and when did we begin to take Obama at his word (Re; the Afghanistan drawdown). Where is the "Ya' got to be shitting me" ping list regarding anything the Kenyan has promised?

You're welcome. :) I haven't taken him at his word and didn't realize there was such a ping list until a few hours ago. I probably will add it to my list and some others.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2010-11-05   6:51:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: noone222 (#6)

The Federal system that people vote in today is not related to the original. It's a separate system developed for socialists. I'm not one of those in any way, shape, or form.

I'm glad you're not one of them. :)

The only means of setting things right is to remove ourselves from the socialist mobocracy and re-populate the organic and Constitutional Government.

I'm with ya on that.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2010-11-05   6:56:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: GreyLmist (#37)

The only means of setting things right is to remove ourselves from the socialist mobocracy and re-populate the organic and Constitutional Government.

I'm with ya on that.

Great, now we need about 100,000,000 more !!!

"Politics and Religion are the building blocks of slavery and oppression. Greed is the mortar that bonds them" and bankers are the masons with trowels in hand !

noone222  posted on  2010-11-05   8:22:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Jethro Tull (#26)

To: Enderby, 4

House Republicans have promised one of their first orders of business is to attack President Obama’s July 2011 drawdown date in Afghanistan

Enderby, about this "attack" on Obama's July 2011 drawdown date in Afghanistan, do you believe Obama will follow through on this?

A simple yes or no would work fine for me.

Thanks.

Sorry not to reply sooner -- I was camping and got home just a little while ago. I do not know what sort of "drawdown" the Obummer was allegedly talking about, so I can't give a yes-or-no on "do I think he'll follow through." If the "drawdown" was anything significant, then "no." If it's some cosmetic thing that doesn't matter a damn, then maybe "yes."

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Enderby  posted on  2010-11-06   22:30:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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