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Title: House GOP leader forsakes Tea Parties, takes earmark ban off the table
Source: Raw Story
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Published: Nov 5, 2010
Author: Stephen C. Webster
Post Date: 2010-11-05 20:28:27 by ghostdogtxn
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Views: 544
Comments: 57

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#3. To: ghostdogtxn, 4 (#0)

So, why a reversal on the earmark ban? "Only because some things that people call earmarks here, uh, wouldn't classify as an earmark to the American people," he explained to Fox News host Bret Baier.

Hello, is anyone home?

These people need to pass through a mental sobriety checkpoint.

Lod  posted on  2010-11-05   20:40:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2010-11-05   20:48:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2010-11-05   20:50:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

We need to squash this quick.

Hell, maybe pay for a full page ad in his hometown paper soliciting applications for a Tea Party conservative to run against him.

ANYONE ELSE HERE WANT TO PUT THEIR MONEY WHERE THEIR MOUTH IS????

I will.

Ghost has an excellent idea.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-11-05   21:05:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2010-11-05   21:10:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-11-05   21:27:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

In fact, just got off an aggravating phonecon with dad earlier today in which he reiterated his support for our military exploits and called me a kook.

Just ask him a couple of questions (although 911 is the key - I would be willing to bet that he believes the "Official Fairy Tale™" of the 19magicArabswhohateuscuzwe'refree).

However, if you really want to force him to think (warning he might explode) ask him any of the following questions. Keep your cool and realize that you will likely get an emotional tirade as he is forced to confront the contradictions. Regardless of what he says just keep asking the question - you can vary it a bit to keep it from sounding repetitive or robotic. However, eventually you'll break through the shell he's built around it. The key is one question at a time and keep asking it until he answers it without repeating back the Nooze Media programming.

Ask him:

Where are the WMD's?

Alternated with: "Why do you believe that?"

Why does Osama Bin Laden's FBI most wanted poster NOT list 911 as one of his crimes?

Why did Colin Powell get up in front of the U.N. and knowingly lie?

How is it that 2 airplanes knocked down 3 buildings? (He is probably unaware or nearly unaware of WTC 7. Show him the video of the collapse if you can.)

I could think of others but the point is to keep it to simple questions which show how the official fairy tale is a lie. Don't state your own opinion or your opinion of his opinion. You have to play this tactic with a lot of confront and suppress any urge to laugh, criticize, or condemn. The point is to make him look. Something he likely is very studiously avoiding.

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-11-06   8:25:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#47. To: Eric Stratton (#39)

Like Hitler's doctrine of the big lie - something repeated long enough, often enough, and from apparent authority figures, contrary evidence aside, the lie becomes the truth, because grasping the horror that is the truth means that our world is ruled by monsters.

I suspect that your father believes multiple things that are not true, and those falsehoods he believes are truths are getting in the way of his being able to see, and reach a logical conclusion.

Basically, you are hitting up against a wall of lies that he believes to be true.

Another question you could ask, which is non-threatening, is simply: "Why do you believe that to be true?" That forces him to look and actually think, and could begin springing him free from the lies.

Then you have to be ready to provide true data from sources he can't dispute. He might try but if he relies on the mainstream disinformation media showing him stories from that same media that contradict the other stories he has believed as true will throw him into a confusion if you can get him to LOOK at the contradictions.

Another angle would be a clear, concise, time line showing how the Official Fairy Tale has changed.

There are other questions Such as:

Why did the FBI seize all 32 of the security videos from around the Pentagon, and why are they still held secret today 9 years later?

Why was NORAD, the most advanced air monitoring system on the planet, unable to locate, track, and intercept airliners in the air for over an hour after they were known to be hijacked, and yet were able to intercept Payne Stewart's errant aircraft within 30 minutes?

If he gives the party lyin' of "they turned off the transponders". You then ask, "does turning off a transponder make an aircraft invisible?"

There are lots of simple questions which can serve as time bombs however the main thing to remember is that they have to be fairly short (at least initially) and you have to be able to provide easily accessible information which shows your position to be correct.

...which they'll dismiss if the writer is a "kook" or a "flaming lib," but then when I send articles by "conservatives" that they've typically respected, saying similar things, they refuse to read them.

The short answer of course is that "middle class" fear of anything changing. So, any information that upsets their tidy world view is avoided. It is actually a form of neuroses and moral cowardice.

When he gives you that communist line again ask him to explain how they are communists. I guarantee he won't be able to and it will send him spinny as he tries to regurgitate "Rush" or some other media source.

There are a lot of tools at your disposal and understanding the mechanisms and automatic responses you are getting have to be understood as "mechanisms of the mind" and they are not "thought". So, the key is to get him actually thinking not regurgitating a programmed response. And the key to that is don't dispute, be agreeable, and then ask simple questions.

For example: "You're an engineer. If you have a catastrophic failure in a structure would you expect it to begin at the point of first failure and collapse asymmetrically, or would you expect it to fail simultaneously in 360 degrees?" Handy would be to see if you can first find a youtube or such of famous engineering failures and just pass it on as "interesting". No comment, no references to 911. Then discuss it with him pointing out how it is interesting how they all begin at one point and then collapse asymmetrically from there. At that point you are setting the table for the main course. You might also find others that nibble around the edges but do not specifically refer to 911. After the engineering failures send him one on buildings that have been imploded with controlled demolition and then discuss that. Then the harpoon - the video of the collapse of WTC 7 (which is clearly to the objective eye a controlled demolition). Then simply ask which does it resemble more - the catastrophic natural failure or the controlled demolitions. He'll likely get mad so don't hammer him, just keep asking which does it resemble more? That might begin to break through the wall of disinformation with which he has surrounded himself. Just be aware that someone in the possession of a false datum that they believe to be true will draw some very screwy conclusions. It is the old, "Garbage In = Garbage Out". Just be patient, because he will throw out conclusions based on the false data. Your job is simply to identify the false datum and present the true. The hard part is getting him to have the cognition that the false datum is false.

I still remember one guy I used to work with who exploded on me when I said something that did not agree with his main stream media programmed viewpoint. So, instead of getting mad back I just asked questions and then pointed out how that contradicts the mainstream explanation.

It is like the collapse of the WTC Towers 1 and 2 - the initial explanation was jet fuel, and then as that was shown to be impossible, which now even NIST admits, the story has continued to morph from there with the "Official Explanation" being "fine tuned" to try to stay ahead of the observed facts.

Another very real part of the problem is that most people have been conditioned by the media to not see the big picture. To really get it someone has to really get that the media is heavily controlled and censored, and that contrary viewpoints are not allowed. Further, that the media is pretty much owned in totality by a very small group of hyper-wealthy who are beyond money - what they want is control. Most people are not willing to allow themselves to think big enough to really envision how big this is. The simple explanation of a madman with a cellphone in a cave they can envision, but not a multi-generational crime family of banksters headquartered in London and pulling strings world wide. The media says it is a "conspiracy theory" so it can't be true. Right? Kook.

One final note. If you can get him to read this one article it might start springing him free from the shackles that hold his mind: Why Americans Will Believe Almost Anything. I decided to post it here because I would like to get everyone to read this article. I do not necessarily agree with Doctor O'Shea's politics or health prescriptions, but this article is top notch and well worth reading. You might even go so far as to print it and hand it to him in hard copy. For some reason, which I cannot explain, some people will believe a printed copy whereas if you just give them a link they will not look.

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