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Title: House GOP leader forsakes Tea Parties, takes earmark ban off the table
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Published: Nov 5, 2010
Author: Stephen C. Webster
Post Date: 2010-11-05 20:28:27 by ghostdogtxn
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#18. To: Lod (#3)
Hello, is anyone home? These people need to pass through a mental sobriety checkpoint. No crap man, that is the amazing quote of the week. John Boehner was the quotee, to be clear (and I may have made up a word here).
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
Country Club Republicans -vs- Country Class Republicans. There are more of us than there are of them. Perhaps Boehner didn't listen to Michael Steele when he declared that the Tea Party put them "on probation". Sounds like its time to hold them in contempt.
Somewhere, Jimmy Carter is laughing and saying, "Finally! I won't be the worst President ever!"
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
This is just like bush when he refused to say whether he would appoint conservative candidates to the supreme court. He said he would appoint "strict constutionalists" to the supreme court and we all know now what some of us did during the campaign he was baffling the voters with bullshit A supreme court with "real conservatives" would have thrown his criminal ass in jail.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin
So much for the "Pledge" and so much for gratitude to the teabaggers.
He said strict constructionists not constitutionalists.
Just ask him a couple of questions (although 911 is the key - I would be willing to bet that he believes the "Official Fairy Tale™" of the 19magicArabswhohateuscuzwe'refree). However, if you really want to force him to think (warning he might explode) ask him any of the following questions. Keep your cool and realize that you will likely get an emotional tirade as he is forced to confront the contradictions. Regardless of what he says just keep asking the question - you can vary it a bit to keep it from sounding repetitive or robotic. However, eventually you'll break through the shell he's built around it. The key is one question at a time and keep asking it until he answers it without repeating back the Nooze Media programming. Ask him: Where are the WMD's? Alternated with: "Why do you believe that?" Why does Osama Bin Laden's FBI most wanted poster NOT list 911 as one of his crimes? Why did Colin Powell get up in front of the U.N. and knowingly lie? How is it that 2 airplanes knocked down 3 buildings? (He is probably unaware or nearly unaware of WTC 7. Show him the video of the collapse if you can.) I could think of others but the point is to keep it to simple questions which show how the official fairy tale is a lie. Don't state your own opinion or your opinion of his opinion. You have to play this tactic with a lot of confront and suppress any urge to laugh, criticize, or condemn. The point is to make him look. Something he likely is very studiously avoiding.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Pretty sure he's just congressman. "It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minori U R Right.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" "Majick carpets" otherwise called hijacked US domestic jet passenger aircraft with Muslim terrorists looking for 72 virgins in paradise?
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
And your proof is? Why is 911 not listed on Osama Bin Laden's FBI Most Wanted Poster? Where are the WMD's? Why kind of aircraft hit WTC7?
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
I need no proof. Your trademarck "Official Fairy Tale™" exemption demands PROOF. Beats me. Maybe the USA ran out of money looking for the cretin. HELL, the USA doesn't even look for illegals crossing the US border anymore. Aren't those locked-upped in GWBush's brain trust with Cheney, Wolfowitz and et al? It fell because of earlier structural issues that were exasperated by the tremendous force of the nearby felled buildings (twin towers) caused by Majick carpets.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
These old school GOPrs need disciplining. Good idea.
I've been encouraging friends both left and right to adopt that tactic because it is how it should be done. I'll sharpen my hatchet and join you on the field.
Somewhere, Jimmy Carter is laughing and saying, "Finally! I won't be the worst President ever!"
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin
Whatever? If he had not lied and appointed justices that were "real conservaties his slimy lying criminal ass would be pacing inside a 4'x 8' cell where it belongs. Things are never going to change until and only if the dumbed down masses literally do a sweeping revolt and use the oak trees in the courtyards and exact justice. The duping goes on and on! .
; ) Some one's brainwashed here. And it isn't you.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin
Yes, except I see it all the time.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" Doggy, doggy, doggy I feel sorry for your clients...the non-wetback ones (if you have any) anyway. First - You're an idiot Secondly - Explain how this effects or is bad for the Tea Party? Thirdly - I'd ask you to define "earmark" and tell us why the funding a special project is bad, but I already know the answer. Any funding for special projects proposed by Democrats is good. Any funding for special projects proposed by Republicans is an evil "earmark" that must be stopped or Polar Bears will be drowning in the Amazon, children will go hungry and Pelosi will have to get a real job.
WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin
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Like Hitler's doctrine of the big lie - something repeated long enough, often enough, and from apparent authority figures, contrary evidence aside, the lie becomes the truth, because grasping the horror that is the truth means that our world is ruled by monsters. I suspect that your father believes multiple things that are not true, and those falsehoods he believes are truths are getting in the way of his being able to see, and reach a logical conclusion. Basically, you are hitting up against a wall of lies that he believes to be true. Another question you could ask, which is non-threatening, is simply: "Why do you believe that to be true?" That forces him to look and actually think, and could begin springing him free from the lies. Then you have to be ready to provide true data from sources he can't dispute. He might try but if he relies on the mainstream disinformation media showing him stories from that same media that contradict the other stories he has believed as true will throw him into a confusion if you can get him to LOOK at the contradictions. Another angle would be a clear, concise, time line showing how the Official Fairy Tale has changed. There are other questions Such as: Why did the FBI seize all 32 of the security videos from around the Pentagon, and why are they still held secret today 9 years later? Why was NORAD, the most advanced air monitoring system on the planet, unable to locate, track, and intercept airliners in the air for over an hour after they were known to be hijacked, and yet were able to intercept Payne Stewart's errant aircraft within 30 minutes? If he gives the party lyin' of "they turned off the transponders". You then ask, "does turning off a transponder make an aircraft invisible?" There are lots of simple questions which can serve as time bombs however the main thing to remember is that they have to be fairly short (at least initially) and you have to be able to provide easily accessible information which shows your position to be correct. The short answer of course is that "middle class" fear of anything changing. So, any information that upsets their tidy world view is avoided. It is actually a form of neuroses and moral cowardice. When he gives you that communist line again ask him to explain how they are communists. I guarantee he won't be able to and it will send him spinny as he tries to regurgitate "Rush" or some other media source. There are a lot of tools at your disposal and understanding the mechanisms and automatic responses you are getting have to be understood as "mechanisms of the mind" and they are not "thought". So, the key is to get him actually thinking not regurgitating a programmed response. And the key to that is don't dispute, be agreeable, and then ask simple questions. For example: "You're an engineer. If you have a catastrophic failure in a structure would you expect it to begin at the point of first failure and collapse asymmetrically, or would you expect it to fail simultaneously in 360 degrees?" Handy would be to see if you can first find a youtube or such of famous engineering failures and just pass it on as "interesting". No comment, no references to 911. Then discuss it with him pointing out how it is interesting how they all begin at one point and then collapse asymmetrically from there. At that point you are setting the table for the main course. You might also find others that nibble around the edges but do not specifically refer to 911. After the engineering failures send him one on buildings that have been imploded with controlled demolition and then discuss that. Then the harpoon - the video of the collapse of WTC 7 (which is clearly to the objective eye a controlled demolition). Then simply ask which does it resemble more - the catastrophic natural failure or the controlled demolitions. He'll likely get mad so don't hammer him, just keep asking which does it resemble more? That might begin to break through the wall of disinformation with which he has surrounded himself. Just be aware that someone in the possession of a false datum that they believe to be true will draw some very screwy conclusions. It is the old, "Garbage In = Garbage Out". Just be patient, because he will throw out conclusions based on the false data. Your job is simply to identify the false datum and present the true. The hard part is getting him to have the cognition that the false datum is false. I still remember one guy I used to work with who exploded on me when I said something that did not agree with his main stream media programmed viewpoint. So, instead of getting mad back I just asked questions and then pointed out how that contradicts the mainstream explanation. It is like the collapse of the WTC Towers 1 and 2 - the initial explanation was jet fuel, and then as that was shown to be impossible, which now even NIST admits, the story has continued to morph from there with the "Official Explanation" being "fine tuned" to try to stay ahead of the observed facts. Another very real part of the problem is that most people have been conditioned by the media to not see the big picture. To really get it someone has to really get that the media is heavily controlled and censored, and that contrary viewpoints are not allowed. Further, that the media is pretty much owned in totality by a very small group of hyper-wealthy who are beyond money - what they want is control. Most people are not willing to allow themselves to think big enough to really envision how big this is. The simple explanation of a madman with a cellphone in a cave they can envision, but not a multi-generational crime family of banksters headquartered in London and pulling strings world wide. The media says it is a "conspiracy theory" so it can't be true. Right? Kook. One final note. If you can get him to read this one article it might start springing him free from the shackles that hold his mind: Why Americans Will Believe Almost Anything. I decided to post it here because I would like to get everyone to read this article. I do not necessarily agree with Doctor O'Shea's politics or health prescriptions, but this article is top notch and well worth reading. You might even go so far as to print it and hand it to him in hard copy. For some reason, which I cannot explain, some people will believe a printed copy whereas if you just give them a link they will not look.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
If any of this is unclear to you, that's your problem, not mine. Sure I do, you're 4um's own Eddie Haskell, a pain in the ass loser who never has a solution only a complaint.. If any of this is unclear to you, that's your problem, not mine.
"The person who agrees with you 80 percent of the time is a friend and an ally — not a 20 percent traitor" - Ronald Reagan
Earmarks require transparency. Without earmarks, there is no transparency.
"If ever this vast country is brought under a single government, it will be one of the most extensive corruption, indifferent and incapable of a wholesome care over so wide a spread of surface. This will not be borne, and you will have to choose between reform and revolution. If I know the spirit of this country, the one or the other is inevitable." - Thomas Jefferson
He gave himself a Hummer you know.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin
Here is one which will test his ability to deny contradictions in the Official Fairy Tale® 9/11 Commission Report Questioned by Over 100 Professors. I would suggest familiarizing yourself with it before trying to spring it on him. Here is another: Incredible inconsistencies and bizarre coincidences of the 9/11 fairy tale I haven't been able to find one that is basically a bullet point executive summary. The problem of course, and something that the real conspirators count on, is that unless someone spots some of the inconsistencies on their own and has the intellectual curiosity, and willingness to LOOK, the resolution of the inconsistencies requires real thought. For those unwilling to look, think, and go where the FACTS lead it is easy to throw up a cloud of smoke and dust and convince them to begin accepting some very unpleasant and unpalatable truths. Not the least of which is that all of the evidence when examined objectively with a willingness to accept the truth of the picture painted by the actual evidence clearly screams 911 WAS AN INSIDE JOB. Another reference which I like because one of the first things that sent me on alert was the apparent failure of NORAD to respond to the loose aircraft. I'm ex-military and worked in operations in the U.S. Navy. Screw-ups like appeared to have occurred at NORAD just do not happen, and if they do the people responsible for the screw-up are raked over the coals, and severely reprimanded if not Courts Martialed. NO MILITARY PERSONNEL HAVE EVER been disciplined for their failures on the morning of 911 in any way, manner, shape, or form. Having said that here is the reference: www.standdown.net/
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
He'd simply site "the official evidence." He's done that repeatedly. That's fine. In fact it could be quite amusing, because, and you have to do some homework to be ready and primed (make notes, print stuff out, and have it handy if it is a phone call. Write your own summaries of the facts.) you simply respond with an indisputable fact based on actual observation of the event, and scientific principles if applicable, that offers a direct contradiction if not outright refutation. The most likely response is that he'll sputter and spit as he tries to retreat back into his comfortable cocoon of media lies and disinformation. However, it will set there festering, and in that confusion he is forced to look at what he believes, compare it to the facts, in order to try to refute you. Whether he likes it or not he will end up looking and once he does that he stands a chance of convincing himself.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin
So, why a reversal on the earmark ban? "Only because some things that people call earmarks here, uh, wouldn't classify as an earmark to the American people," he explained to Fox News host Bret Baiir..
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#20. To: tom007 (#18)
#21. To: ghostdogtxn (#5)
These old school GOPrs need disciplining.
#22. To: ghostdogtxn (#12)
#23. To: mirage (#21)
#24. To: Eric Stratton (#22)
#25. To: Eric Stratton (#22)
#26. To: ghostdogtxn (#0)
The refusal to ban earmarks should not come as a surprise to media savvy tea party Republicans. Appearing on Fox News just days before the elections, Boehner repeatedly refused to answer whether or not the party would end the practice, saying instead that a GOP-run House would not conduct "business as usual."
#27. To: ghostdogtxn (#24)
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#29. To: LACUMO (#26)
#30. To: ghostdogtxn (#0)
#31. To: LACUMO (#26)
#32. To: Eric Stratton (#22)
In fact, just got off an aggravating phonecon with dad earlier today in which he reiterated his support for our military exploits and called me a kook.
#33. To: ghostdogtxn (#13)
He's a Senator, I guess the map here is the house districts.
#34. To: Original_Intent (#32)
"Official Fairy Tale™" of the 19magicArabswhohateuscuzwe'refree.
#35. To: buckeroo (#34)
#36. To: Original_Intent (#35)
And your proof is?
Why is 911 not listed on Osama Bin Laden's FBI Most Wanted Poster?
Where are the WMD's?
Why kind of aircraft hit WTC7?
#37. To: ghostdogtxn (#5)
This is a slap in the face of the Tea Party. A throwing down of the gauntlet, as it were. We need to squash this quick. A money bomb to fund an exploratory committee to find a Tea Party candidate in his district would be a nice push back.
#38. To: ghostdogtxn (#23)
Let's take some scalps in primary season 2012.
#39. To: Original_Intent (#32)
#40. To: A K A Stone (#31)
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He said strict constructionists not constitutionalists.
#41. To: Eric Stratton (#22)
In fact, just got off an aggravating phonecon with dad earlier today in which he reiterated his support for our military exploits and called me a kook.
#42. To: tom007 (#41)
#43. To: Eric Stratton (#42)
It's truly unbelievable.
#44. To: ghostdogtxn, Lod, (#0)
Now he says there will be a "moratorium," but has not said for how long and refuses to hold fellow Republicans to his own standard of never bringing tax dollars back to constituents.
#45. To: tom007 (#43)
#46. To: ghostdogtxn, *libertarians*, *Humor-Weird News*, *Sarah Palin 2012* (#0)
#47. To: Eric Stratton (#39)
...which they'll dismiss if the writer is a "kook" or a "flaming lib," but then when I send articles by "conservatives" that they've typically respected, saying similar things, they refuse to read them.
#48. To: Flintlock (#44)
#49. To: ghostdogtxn (#48)
First, you don't have a clue what I'm about.
#50. To: ghostdogtxn (#0)
#51. To: JRiggs (#11)
There's an unemployed businessman with a Hummer and a lot of time on his hands who might be interested.
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
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#53. To: Original_Intent (#47)
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#55. To: Eric Stratton (#54)
And BTW, he'd challenge the source of that too and claim that it's people twisting the "official details."
#56. To: Eric Stratton (#53)
Another question you could ask, which is non-threatening, is simply: "Why do you believe that to be true?" That forces him to look and actually think, and could begin springing him free from the lies.
#57. To: Original_Intent (#55)
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