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Title: John Boehner says NO to earmarks
Source: Wall Street Journal and The Atlantic
URL Source: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100 ... 8.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTop
Published: Nov 6, 2010
Author: John Boehner
Post Date: 2010-11-06 10:34:55 by Jethro Tull
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I felt this needed it's own thread since the noise on GDT Raw Story report would have been impossible to break through.

Raw Story

Below are two articles that contradict his posting. Both are dated 11/5/10, and the first is written by Boehner himself. It's hard to believe he would go on Fox, Thursday, 11/4, state what GDT reports, and then author the WSJ article the next day. Let me say all these "leaders" need close watching, but I suggest we get things right before we jump the gun.

I have no idea what report(s) are correct at this moment, and if Raw Story is indeed more accurate that the WSJ, the Republican Party will blow a large hole in it's foot, thus allowing Tea Party folk to fully separate from the vehicle they used to carry them into congress.

I suggest we read the articles, and put the rope back in the closet until we know more.

I have maintained a no-earmarks policy throughout my time of service in Congress. I believe the House must adopt a moratorium on all earmarks as a signal of our commitment to ending business as usual in the spending process. *******
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-11-06   10:41:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

"Let me say all these "leaders" need close watching, but I suggest we get things right before we jump the gun."

They should "suspect" they're going to be watched closely! Who knows if they do.. But a tally sheet after a year will start showing whether a Third Party is going to have to be started using the TEA Party as the core.

ndcorup  posted on  2010-11-06   10:44:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Let's see what he does, and ignore what they press says he said. (And thanks for posting, Jethro.)

What the Next Speaker Must Do

Secrecy, arrogance, and the abuse of power have shattered the bonds of trust between the people and their elected leaders. Repairing that trust requires sweeping change, beginning with an end to earmarks.

By JOHN BOEHNER

I grew up in a small house on a hill in Cincinnati, Ohio, with 11 brothers and sisters. My dad ran a bar, Andy's Café, that my grandfather Andrew Boehner opened in 1938. We didn't have much but were thankful for what we had. And we didn't think much about Washington.

That changed when I got involved with a small business, which I eventually built into a successful enterprise. I saw firsthand how government throws obstacles in the way of job-creation and stifles our prosperity. It prompted me to get involved in my government, and eventually took me to Congress.

Steve Moore says despite a better than expected October employment report, the economy is still very weak, making it essential to forge a deal to extend all the Bush tax cuts.

Millions of Americans have had a similar experience. They look at Washington and see an arrogance of power. They see a Congress that doesn't listen, that is ruled by leaders who seem out of touch and dismissive, even disdainful, of the anger that Americans feel toward their government and the challenges they face in an economy struggling to create jobs.

The political landscape has been permanently reshaped over the past two years. Overreaching by elected officials—in the form of pork-laden "stimulus" spending, permanent bailouts, and policies that force responsible taxpayers to subsidize irresponsible behavior—has awakened something deep in our national character. This has led to a surge of activism by citizens demanding smaller, more accountable government and a repudiation of Washington in Tuesday's elections.

Tired of politicians who refuse to listen, Americans who previously were not involved or minimally involved in the political process are now helping to drive it. While their backgrounds are as diverse as the country itself, their message to Washington is the same: Government leaders are servants of the people; the people are not servants of their government.

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The members of the 112th Congress must heed this message if there is to be any hope of repairing the shattered bonds of trust between the American people and their elected leaders. And that begins with the speaker of the House, who as leader of the institution must lead by example.

Accordingly, there are several steps I believe the next speaker should be prepared to take immediately. Among them:

• No earmarks. Earmarks have become a symbol of a broken Washington, and an entire lobbying industry has been created around them. The speaker of the House shouldn't use the power of the office to raid the federal Treasury for pork-barrel projects. To the contrary, the speaker should be an advocate for ending the current earmark process, and should adhere to a personal no-earmarks policy that stands as an example for all members of Congress to follow.

I have maintained a no-earmarks policy throughout my time of service in Congress. I believe the House must adopt a moratorium on all earmarks as a signal of our commitment to ending business as usual in the spending process.

• Let Americans read bills before they are brought to a vote. The speaker of the House should not allow any bill to come to a vote that has not been posted publicly online for at least three days. Members of Congress and the American people must have the opportunity to read it.

Similarly, the speaker should insist that every bill include a clause citing where in the Constitution Congress is given the power to pass it. Bills that can't pass this test shouldn't get a vote. House Republicans' new governing agenda, "A Pledge to America," calls for the speaker to implement such reforms immediately.

• No more "comprehensive" bills. The next speaker should put an end to so-called comprehensive bills with thousands of pages of legislative text that make it easy to hide spending projects and job-killing policies. President Obama's massive "stimulus" and health-care bills, written behind closed doors with minimal public scrutiny, were the last straw for many Americans. The American people are not well-served by "comprehensive," and they are rightly suspicious of the adjective.

• No more bills written behind closed doors in the speaker's office. Bills should be written by legislators in committee in plain public view. Issues should be advanced one at a time, and the speaker should place an emphasis on smaller, more focused legislation that is properly scrutinized, constitutionally sound, and consistent with Americans' demand for a less-costly, less-intrusive government.

The speaker of the House, like all members of Congress, is a servant of the American people. The individual entrusted with that high honor and responsibility should act accordingly. A speaker's mission should not be to consolidate power in the speaker's office, but rather to ensure that elected officials uphold their oath to defend the Constitution and the American people we serve. If a speaker carries out that mission successfully, the result should be legislation that better reflects the considerable challenges we face as a nation.

The American people deserve a majority in Congress that listens to the people, focuses on their priorities and honors their demands for smaller, more accountable government. Accountability starts at the top, in the office of the speaker.

Mr. Boehner, a congressman representing Ohio's Eighth District since 1991, is the House Republican leader.

I would like to direct this to the distinguished members of the panel: You lousy cork-soakers. You have violated my farging rights. Dis somanumbatching country was founded so that the liberties of common patriotic citizens like me could not be taken away by a bunch of fargin iceholes... like yourselves. Thank you. - Roman Moroni

randge  posted on  2010-11-06   10:45:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I say we all pitch in and get JT a GOP tie for Christmas.

That's uncalled for.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-11-06   10:47:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Let's see what he does, and ignore what they press says he said. (And thanks for posting, Jethro.)

You're welcome randge. Some here are so filled with rage that Pelosi is gone they can't think straight.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-11-06   10:51:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-11-06   10:53:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

That's uncalled for. LOL

So is this thread.

So sorry these articles don't fit your template, but nevertheless, you'd be wise to hold your fire until you know the facts.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-11-06   10:59:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I say we all pitch in and get JT a GOP tie for Christmas.

What?

Good heavens.

Were you thinking of a "hemp" tie????

Good heavens.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-11-06   11:03:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

They should "suspect" they're going to be watched closely! Who knows if they do.. But a tally sheet after a year will start showing whether a Third Party is going to have to be started using the TEA Party as the core.

Agree. They're on a very tight probation. It won't take much for the Tea Party folk to gather, split, and leave them in the dust. Since they don't take office until January, I think it's a bit premature to begin to declare a victory a failure, but as you say, we will be watching.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-11-06   11:10:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Gentlemen...

We are ALL on the Titanic.

The lifeboats will be reserved for the elite, the rest of us can sink or swim on our own.

As for Boner and the newbies, we have to face the facts of history, a change of power has never altered the course of politics and the future in this country. Never.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-11-06   11:19:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Agree. They're on a very tight probation. It won't take much for the Tea Party folk to gather, split, and leave them in the dust. Since they don't take office until January, I think it's a bit premature to begin to declare a victory a failure, but as you say, we will be watching.

Jerthro, some of those here are doing everything they can to attack the Tea Party. Facts be damned for them.

And this last election the third party/write-in ballots were rinos.

For decades the rinos used the excuse that rank and file republicans should not use third parties, and instead work within the party. Then, last primary, when the Tea Party did just that and won, it showed the hypocrisy of the rinos.

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-11-06   11:20:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

We are ALL on the Titanic.

The lifeboats will be reserved for the elite, the rest of us can sink or swim on our own.

Unlike the Titanic, we have guns, and if we can not hijack the lifeboats, we will sink them instead.

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-11-06   11:22:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Jerthro, some of those here are doing everything they can to attack the Tea Party. Facts be damned for them.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who sees the obvious, Paul. These folks won't arrive in Washington until January, yet the demonetization has begun. No more. Lets see what develops, and when and if they eff up, we'll be their harshest critics.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-11-06   11:24:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Unlike the Titanic, we have guns, and if we can not hijack the lifeboats, we will sink them instead.

We cannot overlook the fact that the elite have hired goons with guns to make sure only the elite are safe, that the unwashed go down with the Titanic.

When the government Federalizes all law enforcement, nation wide, we may bet a few but they will get all of us.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-11-06   11:27:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

"...Government leaders are servants of the people; the people are not servants of their government..."

Words that every "public servant" should have on a plaque on their desks, one nailed to the desk and facing them. Or maybe even tattooed on their arms.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-11-06   11:29:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

When the government Federalizes all law enforcement, nation wide, we may bet a few but they will get all of us.

Very possible, but as of now, the military & the police departments are a solid vote against the Kenyan. I don't see that changing before '12.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-11-06   11:29:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

There is but one reason DHS was birthed, to be the controlling civilian law enforcement of this country when the government takes total control.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-11-06   11:32:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

We cannot overlook the fact that the elite have hired goons with guns to make sure only the elite are safe, that the unwashed go down with the Titanic.

So, after the first wave, the goons and elitists are taken care of in the second wave.

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-11-06   11:35:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

PaulCJ - some of those here are doing everything they can to attack the Tea Party. Facts be damned for them.

JT - I'm glad I'm not the only one who sees the obvious,

This forum has become a sounding board for democrat shills, losers and malcontents.

We need to clean house. There are at least 4 posters here that belong at DU or the nest, we all know who they are. Who will have the courage to show them the door? It's not a "free speech" issue, it's defending yourself from propaganda attacks from the left and those who benefit from it.

The Tea Party has a chance to reclaim this country over the next few cycles, we don't need some RAT stooges muddying the waters before a single one of our people are sworn in.

Show them no mercy, just show them the door.

WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)

Flintlock  posted on  2010-11-06   11:39:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

On the first Titanic...

First class (elites)

119 died 200 survived...63 per cent

Steerage class...(unwashed masses)

527 died

172 survived...25 per cent

Crew...

703...died

215...survived...23 per cent

I see no reason to change the figures for the second Titanic.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-11-06   11:43:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Zeus told me to tell you to name names.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-11-06   11:44:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Zeus told me to tell you to name names.

I've sworn an oath of silence to ODIN!!!

WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)

Flintlock  posted on  2010-11-06   11:46:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Ok. But it isn't going to make Loki or Thor happy.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-11-06   11:46:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

This forum has become a sounding board for democrat shills, losers and malcontents.

Its called freedom of speech.

We are even allowed obscene and vulgar language here, freedom of speech.

Except for this forum, I have been thrown out of every forum I ever posted on, always for expressing my views and opinions. Never for vulgar language or personal attacks.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-11-06   11:48:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Its called freedom of speech.

When shill posters lie and spread false information about the Tea Party it's called a propaganda Attack, not "free speech"

WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)

Flintlock  posted on  2010-11-06   11:51:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

When shill posters lie and spread false information about the Tea Party it's called a propaganda Attack, not "free speech"

Have to disagree.

It is not up to you or me to decide if it is a lie or not. If we want to refute it, that is our option.

There is plenty of pap, pablum and poop here as on any forum (propaganda) all brought to us via free speech. We need to learn to cope with it, as the alternative is much worse.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-11-06   11:57:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

You forget that they only told everyone else after the lifeboats were launched.

You and your elitists friend will find there is not a place on earth you can hide from righteous retribution.

Or have you forgot that you and your elitists are also crashing the economies of the rest of the world.

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-11-06   12:00:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

We need to clean house.

JT already tried to get rid of me last week .... but, I am back ready to describe this horrid US political system all over again.

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-11-06   12:01:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

You forget that they only told everyone else after the lifeboats were launched.

You and your elitists friend will find there is not a place on earth you can hide from righteous retribution.

Or have you forgot that you and your elitists are also crashing the economies of the rest of the world.

Well now, if you are going to get personal, I will not post.

What I posted had nothing to do with you, it was the facts, listing the survivors.

The crew had a lower survival rate than the masses, I find that admiral.

By the way, had I been there, I would have been as bilge passenger.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-11-06   12:04:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Cynicom; Its called freedom of speech.

Such a defense falls on the deaf ears of your victims whom are starving and dispossessed.

You wanted to create a situation where the U.S. Constitution does not exist, if you get your wish, you will not be able to use it to protect yourself with.

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-11-06   12:04:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Well now, if you are going to get personal, I will not post.

When you and your friends started attacking us, destroying our freedoms, our savings, politically attacking us in politics, trying to shout us down, and abuse us, YOU MADE IT PERSONAL!!

If you side with the enemy, you will be counted among the enemy.

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-11-06   12:06:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Such a defense falls on the deaf ears of your victims whom are starving and dispossessed.

You wanted to create a situation where the U.S. Constitution does not exist, if you get your wish, you will not be able to use it to protect yourself with.

Usually when a poster stoops to using the term..YOU...it means their intellectual quiver is empty.

I was not there for the first Titanic, but might live long enough to go down with the second.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-11-06   12:07:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Usually when a poster stoops to using the term..YOU...it means their intellectual quiver is empty.

And when someone attacks the message and instead the message, like you have, your intellectual quiver IS empty.

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-11-06   12:08:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

And when someone attacks the message and instead the message, like you have, your intellectual quiver IS empty.

Calm down, your typing is suffering.

I like to zing both the messenger and the message if such is warranted, equal opportunity zinging, always with a little humor.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-11-06   12:12:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

You notice, we have run everyone else off???

Good indication that the good guys are counting their hair, or cleaning their belly button because of disinterest?

It happens.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-11-06   12:14:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

You notice, we have run everyone else off???

Your defense of the indefensible has had the most to do with that.

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-11-06   12:17:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Your defense of the indefensible has had the most to do with that.

I am olde and have forgotten already, what is it that is indefensible???

Short term memory is a bummer.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-11-06   12:24:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

JT already tried to get rid of me last week

You were properly placed in the drunk tank, after a fair warning, so at least give the kind folks a fair report.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-11-06   12:25:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Buck is like a carbuncle on the posterior.

One can tolerate it as long as they have the other cheek to sit on. hehehehehe

Cynicom  posted on  2010-11-06   12:29:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Your defense of the indefensible has had the most to do with that.

Where did you go????

What were we discussing?

Cynicom  posted on  2010-11-06   12:51:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I hope you enjoyed your TEA party this past week without me; you lucky dawg. Now lets watch more pandemonium in Washington DC and more covert international relations.

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-11-06   12:51:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I hope you enjoyed your TEA party this past week without me; you lucky dawg. Now lets watch more pandemonium in Washington DC and more covert international relations.

I'm with you on this, buck. Now lets have a drink. I need a beer :P

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-11-06   12:54:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

PaulCJ - some of those here are doing everything they can to attack the Tea Party. Facts be damned for them.

JT - I'm glad I'm not the only one who sees the obvious,

This forum has become a sounding board for democrat shills, losers and malcontents.

We need to clean house. There are at least 4 posters here that belong at DU or the nest, we all know who they are. Who will have the courage to show them the door? It's not a "free speech" issue, it's defending yourself from propaganda attacks from the left and those who benefit from it.

The Tea Party has a chance to reclaim this country over the next few cycles, we don't need some RAT stooges muddying the waters before a single one of our people are sworn in.

Show them no mercy, just show them the door.

You tell 'em Jim Rob, er...Flintlock!

I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. - Benjamin Franklin

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-11-06   13:00:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Now lets have a drink. I need a beer :P

I drink vitamin Beer for breakfast. For lunch, I usually start my afternoons off with continuous chasers called Redbreast. For dinner, I like to bathe in variations of rum or vodka.

And then I start the next day off all over again.... similar to the broken record of Washington DC that you believe can change in some sort of direction that never can or never shall be because of a few voters caught up in some sort of euphoria.

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-11-06   13:08:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I drink vitamin Beer for breakfast. For lunch, I usually start my afternoons off with continuous chasers called Redbreast. For dinner, I like to bathe in variations of rum or vodka.

buckeroo, you might have been on more floors than Johnson's wax, but we go back a long way and we share a common enemy.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-11-06   13:21:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

but we go back a long way and we share a common enemy.

You are starting to sound like the anti-thesis of small, decentralized American government more and more and more with each passing day, JT; feel free to click on the Youtube link.

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-11-06   13:30:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

buck, I watched the tube. You might be surprised who supports illegals on 4um, and who in turn supports them. I'm not included in their anti-American cabal, nor are you. There is no in between on that issue for me. It's a nation killer.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-11-06   13:44:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Buck can drop dead if he thinks I will voluntarily allow him to attempt to make a fool of me.

"The person who agrees with you 80 percent of the time is a friend and an ally — not a 20 percent traitor" - Ronald Reagan

Flintlock  posted on  2010-11-06   13:51:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The flipside of the protectionists or supporters for illegal aliens invading America are the same as those begging to support Israel and other cockamamie nations (usually under the suspicious umbrella of "national security"). It is a shame they don't realize their own treason and tyranny.

These same treasonous faith based or financially based cowards may pray to God in heaven; they may beg for forgiveness from someone akin to government in Washington DC; they may rationalize their cheap charlatan tricks with family and loved ones but they can not run from a high powered projectile from a good firearm with a well trained shooter pulling the trigger.

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-11-06   14:06:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

There are plenty of forums out there where one can defend the leftist/democrat/progressive road to a euro-peon surf state, do you want 4um to be one of them?

I have only see one person do this and that is Red Jones. But then I am unable to visit f4um as much as I used to so I miss a lot.

Do you want to try to sabotage and stifle the Tea party movement, promote prejudice in the minds of lurkers before good men like Rand Paul and Allen West have even taken office?

I do not believe that being skeptical of the Tea Party movement is sabotaging and/or stifling the Tea Party movement. I have not forgotten the actions of the Republican Party during the time they had complete control of Congress. As far as I could tell tea Party candidates ran on the exact same platform as their Republican counterparts - small government, less taxes and perpetual war. As I've stated previously, I do not believe that it is possible to have small government and perpetual war. I also believe it is fiscally irresponsible as well as unsustainable to have tax cuts while continuing to spend like drunken sailors on perpetual wars and entitlements.

Having said that, I will wait patiently and see what happens (as if I have a choice LOL). Maybe my skepticism will be shown to be misplaced. I would like that.

Are you so selfish and jealous that you are mad that the first real change to come to America since the civil war comes through the Republican Party and not some 2% of the vote third party that you advocate obstructing it?

Are you so forgetful that you do not remember this same sort of shit was said in 1994 and 2000?

The Tea Party represents the true green shoots of a reclaimed America, let us not block it's sunlight while it is still taking roots.

Voicing skepticism and pointing out double-talk isn't blocking sunlight. I have voiced legitimate questions concerning the views of Tea Party candidates. Questions not being addressed by the government's propaganda news channels or talking heads.

I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. - Benjamin Franklin

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-11-06   14:09:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Maybe my skepticism will be shown to be misplaced. I would like that.

It will, especially if we all work together.

1994 and 2000

Last Tuesday was far more historic than 94. Our candidates are much more "enlightened" now, the tricks used in 94 to defeat us won't work again.

WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)

Flintlock  posted on  2010-11-06   14:28:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Last Tuesday was far more historic than 94. Our candidates are much more "enlightened" now, the tricks used in 94 to defeat us won't work again.

You do realize that the newbies are still greatly outnumbered by the members of the status quo don't you?

I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. - Benjamin Franklin

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-11-06   14:32:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

If you recall, years ago when many newbies ran on term limits platform and won?

The majority as soon as they got entrenched disavowed term limits.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-11-06   14:35:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The majority as soon as they got entrenched disavowed term limits.

Not true. Guys like Mark Sanford kept their word. He went on to become Governor of SC

"The person who agrees with you 80 percent of the time is a friend and an ally — not a 20 percent traitor" - Ronald Reagan

Flintlock  posted on  2010-11-06   14:45:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

and the others????

Cynicom  posted on  2010-11-06   14:49:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I also believe it is fiscally irresponsible as well as unsustainable to have tax cuts while continuing to spend like drunken sailors on perpetual wars and entitlements.

You're not being fair to drunken sailors. At least they are spending their own money.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-11-06   14:52:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

and the others????

There's a lot of them, go look'em up.

"The person who agrees with you 80 percent of the time is a friend and an ally — not a 20 percent traitor" - Ronald Reagan

Flintlock  posted on  2010-11-06   14:58:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

You're not being fair to drunken sailors. At least they are spending their own money.

Good point. Drunken sailors are much more honorable than any politician.

I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. - Benjamin Franklin

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-11-06   15:06:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

There are plenty of forums out there where one can defend the leftist/democrat/progressive road to a euro-peon surf state, do you want 4um to be one of them?

No. I try to provide a wee bit of humour and often it is mistaken because some fine folks can't read.

Do you want to try to sabotage and stifle the Tea party movement, promote prejudice in the minds of lurkers before good men like Rand Paul and Allen West have even taken office?

Allen West, a serious patriot? He is all for continuing the war machine in Washington DC. Here is one example:

AND here:

The Tea Party represents the true green shoots of a reclaimed America, let us not block it's sunlight while it is still taking roots.

Laughable. A real knee-slapper... I am thinking of changing my by-line with your silly statement.

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-11-06   15:08:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I am unable to visit f4um as much as I used to so I miss a lot.

I guess some fine folks, such as yourself, don't want to have some of the best laffs in a lifetime.

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-11-06   15:20:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Laughable. A real knee-slapper.

Be careful who you mess with bitch!

Each man's death diminishes me,
For I am involved in Bikekind.
Therefore, send not to know
For whom the Harley rolls,
It rolls for thee.

"The person who agrees with you 80 percent of the time is a friend and an ally — not a 20 percent traitor" - Ronald Reagan

Flintlock  posted on  2010-11-06   15:26:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Be careful who you mess with bitch!

Oh sure... the wrath and violence of your sincere posted beliefs actually sway me one way or another.

"The Tea Party represents the true green shoots of a reclaimed America, let us not block it's sunlight while it is still taking roots." -- Flintlock, circa 2010-11-06 13:51:43 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-11-06   15:42:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Oh sure... the wrath and violence of your sincere posted beliefs actually sway me one way or another.

Buck...I was kidding, lighten up.

"The person who agrees with you 80 percent of the time is a friend and an ally — not a 20 percent traitor" - Ronald Reagan

Flintlock  posted on  2010-11-06   15:46:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Anyone who believes they have some right to take money from others and spend it on projects that they wouldn't spend a dime on if it was their own money* is lower than a thief. A thief doesn't pretend that what he is doing is right but politicians rob people under color of law and thus make the law itself disrespected, dishonorable and disreputable.

*Even if they WOULD spend their own money on it because they thought it was worthwhile still doesn't give them the right to take from others to fund what they believe should be funded. And if you ever notice, when they release their tax forms, the ones who yammer the most about the "unfairness of it all" are the ones who give the least to charity.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-11-06   15:49:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Buck...I was kidding, lighten up.

I am not kidding. Please don't ever alter your post that I reference in my new, fashionable 4um by-line. I love irony ... and today, you are a demonstrable talent of the same.

"The Tea Party represents the true green shoots of a reclaimed America, let us not block it's sunlight while it is still taking roots." -- Flintlock, circa 2010-11-06 13:51:43 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-11-06   15:56:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

There's a lot of them, go look'em up.

Rather have you do it.

I spect there aint no list.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-11-06   16:05:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Rather have you do it.

I spect there aint no list.

lazy?

There is, but I've got stuff to do beside be your errand boy.

"The person who agrees with you 80 percent of the time is a friend and an ally — not a 20 percent traitor" - Ronald Reagan

Flintlock  posted on  2010-11-06   16:18:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

There is, but I've got stuff to do beside be your errand boy.

Olde.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-11-06   16:42:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

You're not being fair to drunken sailors. At least they are spending their own money.

Damn Straight!

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-11-06   16:45:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I guess some fine folks, such as yourself, don't want to have some of the best laffs in a lifetime.

Just too busy. There aren't enough hours in the day.

I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. - Benjamin Franklin

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-11-06   17:06:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Anyone who believes they have some right to take money from others and spend it on projects that they wouldn't spend a dime on if it was their own money* is lower than a thief. A thief doesn't pretend that what he is doing is right but politicians rob people under color of law and thus make the law itself disrespected, dishonorable and disreputable.

*Even if they WOULD spend their own money on it because they thought it was worthwhile still doesn't give them the right to take from others to fund what they believe should be funded. And if you ever notice, when they release their tax forms, the ones who yammer the most about the "unfairness of it all" are the ones who give the least to charity.

You'll get no argument from me.

I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. - Benjamin Franklin

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-11-06   17:07:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

You'll get no argument from me.

The government does not have the right to do anything we ourselves do not have the right to do.

Tough women come from New York, sweet women from Texas, prissy women from Southern California, but we NORTHERN CALIFORNIA WOMEN have fire & ice in our blood. We can ride 4-wheelers, be a princess, throw a left hook, pack heat, hunt with the men, bake a cake, love with passion, and if we have an opinion, you know you're going to hear it!!

farmfriend  posted on  2010-11-06   17:13:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The government does not have the right to do anything we ourselves do not have the right to do.

That's the way it should be.

I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. - Benjamin Franklin

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-11-06   17:17:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The government does not have the right to do anything we ourselves do not have the right to do.

Au contraire, ma belle dame .... government has POWER which often usurps individual rights.

"The Tea Party represents the true green shoots of a reclaimed America, let us not block it's sunlight while it is still taking roots." -- Flintlock, circa 2010-11-06 13:51:43 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-11-06   17:19:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Au contraire, ma belle dame .... government has POWER which often usurps individual rights.

The government only has what we give it.

Tough women come from New York, sweet women from Texas, prissy women from Southern California, but we NORTHERN CALIFORNIA WOMEN have fire & ice in our blood. We can ride 4-wheelers, be a princess, throw a left hook, pack heat, hunt with the men, bake a cake, love with passion, and if we have an opinion, you know you're going to hear it!!

farmfriend  posted on  2010-11-06   17:21:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

That's the way it should be.

Exactly. I think most people don't have a realist concept of what government is supposed to be.

Tough women come from New York, sweet women from Texas, prissy women from Southern California, but we NORTHERN CALIFORNIA WOMEN have fire & ice in our blood. We can ride 4-wheelers, be a princess, throw a left hook, pack heat, hunt with the men, bake a cake, love with passion, and if we have an opinion, you know you're going to hear it!!

farmfriend  posted on  2010-11-06   17:21:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Exactly. I think most people don't have a realist concept of what government is supposed to be.

They want government to take care of them

I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. - Benjamin Franklin

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-11-06   17:22:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

They want government to take care of them

They feel powerless and want government to make them feel powerful. They use government like a big stick to have their way all the while talking about diversity or freedom etc.

Tough women come from New York, sweet women from Texas, prissy women from Southern California, but we NORTHERN CALIFORNIA WOMEN have fire & ice in our blood. We can ride 4-wheelers, be a princess, throw a left hook, pack heat, hunt with the men, bake a cake, love with passion, and if we have an opinion, you know you're going to hear it!!

farmfriend  posted on  2010-11-06   17:24:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The government only has what we give it.

Government now enjoys the momentum of, taketh away.

"The Tea Party represents the true green shoots of a reclaimed America, let us not block it's sunlight while it is still taking roots." -- Flintlock, circa 2010-11-06 13:51:43 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-11-06   17:35:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The government does not have the right to do anything we ourselves do not have the right to do.

That is correct. If neither of us have the right to steal from our neighbor then he has no right to steal from us. Taking that to its logical conclusion, if one person doesn't have the right to do something then neither does any group of people, no matter how numerous they may be.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-11-06   17:38:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Government now enjoys the momentum of, taketh away.

All for me and none for all.

Tough women come from New York, sweet women from Texas, prissy women from Southern California, but we NORTHERN CALIFORNIA WOMEN have fire & ice in our blood. We can ride 4-wheelers, be a princess, throw a left hook, pack heat, hunt with the men, bake a cake, love with passion, and if we have an opinion, you know you're going to hear it!!

farmfriend  posted on  2010-11-06   18:49:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Buck can drop dead if he thinks I will voluntarily allow him to attempt to make a fool of me.

You modified your original post didn't you? And since you did.. doesn't that single act marck you as a fool?

"The Tea Party represents the true green shoots of a reclaimed America, let us not block it's sunlight while it is still taking roots." -- Flintlock, circa 2010-11-06 13:51:43 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-11-07   1:54:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-11-12   8:41:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Boner

LOL

Yes, in full agreement, which you know.

Eric...

I have to say, you are the first to pick up on that.

I have a dislike for most politicians and am uncouth enough to say so in differing ways. You caught me. hehehehehehe

Cynicom  posted on  2010-11-12   8:45:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-11-12   23:25:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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