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Title: Thank A Vet?
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URL Source: http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance216.html
Published: Nov 11, 2010
Author: Laurence Vance
Post Date: 2010-11-11 06:22:29 by Ada
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We’ve all seen the bumper stickers: "My son is in the Air Force," "If You Can Read This in English, Thank a Marine," "Proud Vietnam Veteran," "Fly Navy," and of course, "Thank a Vet."

Why should we?

Why should we call them heroes, give them military discounts, grant them veterans preference, express our support for them with ribbons on our cars, honor them with a holiday, hold military appreciation church services for them, and thank them for their "service"?

Veterans Day began as Armistice Day to commemorate the signing of the armistice that ended World War I. It had nothing to do with honoring current and former members of the military like Veterans Day is celebrated today. And if the sole purpose of Armistice Day was to honor World War I veterans, it should never have been celebrated since no American soldier did anything honorable by intervening in a European foreign war. And it doesn’t matter if he was drafted or not.

Britain’s last World War I combat veteran, Harry Patch, died last year at the age of 111. He boasted that he hadn’t killed anyone in combat. "War isn’t worth one life," Patch said, it is "calculated and condoned slaughter of human beings." In his autobiography The Last Fighting Tommy, Patch wrote that "politicians who took us to war should have been given the guns and told to settle their differences themselves, instead of organising nothing better than legalised mass murder." In the last years of his life, Patch warned some young naval recruits that they shouldn’t join.

Frank Buckles, age 109, is the only American veteran of World War I still living. When asked while being honored for his service at a 2007 Veterans Day ceremony at Arlington National Cemetery what he thought about being there while the United States was at war, he replied: "I’m no authority, but I’m not in favor of war unless it’s an emergency." I think that Buckles is more of an authority on the horrors of war and the folly and wickedness of war than the current members of the Joint Chiefs.

It is only because World War I did not turn out to be the "war to end all wars" that the holiday was changed to Veterans Day as a tribute to all soldiers who fought for their country.

Although I believe World War II to be neither necessary nor good, I come not on this Veterans Day to criticize the "greatest generation," who, it turns out, were also great at pillaging and carousing.

For reasons I explained in "U.S. Presidents and Those Who Kill for Them," World War II marks the permanent establishment of the American military as the president’s personal attack force to kill by his decree Koreans, Vietnamese, Laotians, Cambodians, Grenadians, Panamanians, Yugoslavs, Serbians, Afghans, Iraqis, Somalis, Yemenis, and Pakistanis. Next on the list is Iranians. Sometimes these presidential decrees are rubberstamped by a congressional authorization to use force, but they are always preceded by presidential lies and warmonger propaganda.

So why should a Vietnam veteran be proud? He was typically young, ignorant, deceived, and drafted. He may have fought obediently, valiantly, selflessly, and fearlessly, but since he had no business fighting in Vietnam in the first place, I have nothing to thank him for. And I certainly can’t thank him for preventing the Viet Cong from turning America into a socialist republic. Besides, LBJ beat Ho Chi Minh to that anyway. Many Vietnam veterans have written me and expressed shame, remorse, anger, and resentment – not pride – for having been duped into going thousands of miles away from American soil to intervene in another country’s civil war. In fact, I have found that it is those who are not Vietnam veterans who are the most vociferous defenders of the war in Vietnam.

The most undeserved and oftentimes disgusting outpouring of thankfulness I have ever seen is over those who have fought or are fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan. The praise and adoration of those fighting in "the front lines in the war on terror" reaches its apex on Veterans Day, which has become a day to defend U.S. wars and recognize all things military. These soldiers certainly have done nothing worthy of thanks. Sure, they have rebuilt infrastructure – after bombing it to smithereens. They no doubt removed a brutal dictator – and unleashed American brutality in the process. And yes, they have rescued orphan children – after blowing their parents and brothers and sisters to kingdom come.

What is there to thank our soldiers for? They are not defending our freedoms. They are not keeping us safe from our enemies. They are not protecting us from terrorists. They are not guaranteeing our First Amendment rights. They are not defending U.S. borders. They are not guarding U.S. shores. They are not patrolling U.S. coasts. They are not enforcing no-fly zones over U.S. skies. They are not fighting "over there" so we don’t have to fight "over here." They are not avenging 9/11. They are not safeguarding the American way of life. Oh, and they are not ensuring that I have the liberty to write what I do about the military.

What, then, should we thank our soldiers for? Should we thank them for fighting an unconstitutional war, an unscriptural war, an immoral war, an offensive war, an unjust war, or a senseless war? Should we thank our veterans for helping to carry out an aggressive, reckless, belligerent, and interventionist foreign policy? Should we thank the military for sucking $1 trillion out of the federal budget?

But, some will say, these soldiers are just doing their jobs. They can’t help it if the U.S. military sends them to fight in an unjust war in Iraq or Afghanistan. They are just following orders. They didn’t enlist in the military to kill people.

What would any sane man think about a doctor who takes a job at a hospital knowing that the hospital instructs its doctors to euthanize old and sickly patients – and then says he was just doing his job, following orders, and didn’t take the job to kill people?

Why are soldiers treated so differently? Why do they get a pass on committing or supporting those who commit murder and mayhem?

But, someone else says, the military has lowered its recruiting standards and is scraping the bottom of the barrel. Many soldiers are ignorant about the true nature of the military and U.S. foreign policy. Why should we fault them for their ignorance? Why should they be criticized for unjustly killing Iraqis or Afghans or Pakistanis? They are just following orders.

Let’s go back to the doctor I mentioned. Suppose that after he takes a job in ignorance at what he thinks is a reputable hospital he is instructed to euthanize old and sickly patients? What should he do? I don’t know of anyone who would say anything else but that he should quit his job or at least refuse to euthanize anyone.

Again, why are soldiers treated so differently? Why do they get a pass on committing or supporting those who commit murder and mayhem?

But, comes another reply, soldiers have a term of enlistment. They can’t just quit their jobs. Doctors can walk away from their jobs at any time. Then I guess it all comes down to morality: Be a mercenary and kill for the state or refuse to do so and suffer the consequences of dishonorable discharge and/or imprisonment.

It is high time that Americans stop holding veterans and current members of the military in such high esteem. It is scientists, engineers, inventors, businessmen, industrialists, software developers, and entrepreneurs that made America great – not veterans of foreign wars. It is doctors, iron workers, taxi drivers, bricklayers, writers, electricians, and cooks that positively contribute to society – not soldiers.

I would like to be able to thank a vet – on Veterans Day and every other day of the year – but I’m still searching for a reason.

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#17. To: Ada (#0)

"It is high time that Americans stop holding veterans and current members of the military in such high esteem. It is scientists, engineers, inventors, businessmen, industrialists, software developers, and entrepreneurs that made America great – not veterans of foreign wars. It is doctors, iron workers, taxi drivers, bricklayers, writers, electricians, and cooks that positively contribute to society – not soldiers."

Well then, as an Army Vet from '65-'68 Artillery, How about thanking me for 7 Patents as an Engineer. Or the 3 Industrial Manf. Plants that I was Plant Mgr. of? Or the Machine Shop I started when I got out of Mfg.?

Other than that, I've really just sucked up my SS.

ndcorup  posted on  2010-11-11   9:09:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: ndcorup (#17)

Other than that, I've really just sucked up my SS.

Well Sir, as riff raff most likely you and I are mucking up this thread in particular and the forum in general.

I need to be taught my place.

Someone mentioned the best and the brightest as paying the bill by dying. That is not factual, never has been, and anyone desiring to, may peruse the official government records that break down the death statistics by ranks.

The best and brightest rise to the top, the riff raff remains at the bottom, this seems always to be true and accepted. Official records show the overwhelming death rate of the bottom layer VS the top layer death rate.

Too many people here do not want to be reminded that a riff raff soldier refused to kill any more during WW2 and Eisenhower had him shot. This by a man that never in his military career had one day of combat.

Eddie Slovak was against war and killing, he deserted time after time, so he was shot. No loss, just more riff raff.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-11-11   9:21:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Cynicom (#18)

The best and brightest rise to the top, the riff raff remains at the bottom, this seems always to be true and accepted. Official records show the overwhelming death rate of the bottom layer VS the top layer death rate.

Isn't it surprising that we Riff-Raff can actually use a.......computer thingy?

The Army gave me a lot. Those who haven't served, just don't comprehend. I got E-5 at 12 months, thanks to a Brig. Gen. Kenny,

It was a start in Life, and some of the best and worst experiences. But I left the Army changed, and ready to fight for what I wanted.

Every male with two arms and two legs should have the experience. And I was paid well for my time later, much later, The V.A. gave me a Liver Transplant when I was 63.

ndcorup  posted on  2010-11-11   9:35:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: ndcorup (#19)

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2010-11-11   10:21:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: ghostdogtxn (#29)

A lot of my clients say the same thing about prison. They go in and they have no skills and a bad attitude, and when they come out often times they have learned machine shop or welding or carpentry or even computer skills.

A few years prison would do anyone a lot of good.

So I agree with you.

And thanks to veterans who won the wars for banksters, prison or the military are the only choices millions of young Americans have these days. In fact, as you well know many who served were given that choice by sentencing judges.

But, we should never fail to be grateful for the marines who served in Haiti (?) or those who served in The Philippines(?) or the brave troops who attacked Granada, which had a socialist govt for years, but two weeks before Granada nationalized the banks that laundered drug money destined for the final wash at the Federal Reserve via Miami or Chicago.

Smedley Butler pointed to at least 100 wars and conflicts that were unnecessary. So, even if some wars since 1812 were arguably in America's interest (I disagree but I won't dispute it because it's not necessary to making my point) is that any reason to pile up young American bodies without daring to question the need for those losses?

Old men who romanticize their military experiences should be told if they helped enslave half of Europe for over 40 years. They are Soviet war vets who fought on the wrong side.

George Patton was either a brilliant visionary or a traitor, and those mindless vets would have followed whoever won the debate to attack the USSR while we had the chance.

Both sides couldn't be on solid moral ground. And if simply following orders was enough to vindicate vets there wouldn't have been any Nuremberg trials.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2010-11-11   11:25:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: HOUNDDAWG (#38)

Old men who romanticize their military experiences should be told if they helped enslave half of Europe for over 40 years.

i don't think you meant Cyni here as i know that's the last thing he's ever done. i still make a distinction between enlistees and draftees and even in vets from wars past including VN as they had no access to the internet or any alternative media as they do today.

christine  posted on  2010-11-11   13:48:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: christine, Cynicom, HOUNDDAWG, all (#43) (Edited)

Old men who romanticize their military experiences should be told if they helped enslave half of Europe for over 40 years.

i don't think you meant Cyni here as i know that's the last thing he's ever done. i still make a distinction between enlistees and draftees and even in vets from wars past including VN as they had no access to the internet or any alternative media as they do today.

The military is sold, and sold heavily, as a rite of manhood. "Real Men" serve in the military and "wimps" do not. That of course is a lie but many believe it. Many, such as myself, join for the right reasons - to serve. Naivete of the young, the desire to pursue adventure, and all of the writing glorifying military service, causes many to believe that it is a GOOD thing to do. That it is apparent to many older and wiser that it is a con job should not make those who serve a target of opprobrium unless their individual actions merit it. The opprobrium is not upon the young man or woman who has been indoctrinated into the view that it is their duty and then following the call of duty have their desire to serve perverted to foul ends but upon the perverts who use that noble streak to create a weapon of oppression and crass gangsterism.

In part, the failure to make the distinction between those who naively join believing all the hogwash they've been fed and those who join for baser reasons, this lack of understanding of why men choose to serve, creates a breach between those who have and those who have served for the right reasons and those who have not served in discussing the matter of war. And yet they should be natural allies - as was shown by Smedley Butler.

War and the causes of war do not rest in the hands of naive young men and women it lies in the hands of those who knowingly send them into conflict misusing their lives and energy to further criminal ends. To the guy in the ranks it is duty which dominates, and that is the only force which holds them in place. For those who pervert that desire to serve and do ones duty there lies the guilt. Certainly if I knew what I now know, which I did not know then, when I raised my hand to swear that oath to serve I would never have done so. That knowledge is also not known by most of the kids who choose to serve today. Yes, some do know, but even then all of our textbooks, the media, and our so called leaders promote the call to war, to service, and to uniform. That some still give that greater weight is not necessarily a sign of poor character but quite the contrary. Of course many of the good and decent who once volunteered no longer do, because they are aware of how their energies would be spent. And so the military, and the politicians which control the military, have had to lower standards seeking the naive, the criminal, and the stupid. That is the reality.

Ending that cycle is not done by recriminations and catcalls, which raise defensive shields against the message, but by education, and the determination to counter the apathy, and avarice, of those who have been content to see the wars rage - as long as it is not their son or daughter spilling their blood, or getting their head blown off.

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-11-11   14:38:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Original_Intent, 4 (#45)

IMO, it's a way for lower class kids who haven't the luxury to attend some useless university to garner government benefits and health care bennies going into the future. It's critically important to make a distinction between those who were drafted and the current volunteers. The draftees deserve our unswerving respect as do some kids today, however misguided.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-11-11   14:59:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Jethro Tull (#46)

IMO, it's a way for lower class kids who haven't the luxury to attend some useless university to garner government benefits and health care bennies going into the future.

And that is true. What we need is a return to the Peace Corps as Kennedy set it up and put that useful youthful energy to work, and train them, doing good around the world. That would be much more productive in terms of national defense as it would help to prevent wars and the causes of war before it becomes a war. However, to the Banksters who are the ones really pushing it War is "profit center" or as Smedley Butler put it "War Is A Racket", and to hell with, as Cyni puts it, the "riff-raff".

Part of the problem is that non-war industries have been moved to other countries and we are being set up to be the enforcement arm of the "New World Order" of Banking Fiends.

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-11-11   15:05:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Original_Intent, 4 (#47)

What we need is a return to the Peace Corps as Kennedy set it up and put that useful youthful energy to work, and train them, doing good around the world.

Actually that's just another government job, IMO. I'd rather slap a 20% tariff on transnational (formally American) products coming into America. It's tough medicine, and we'll all be paying more for our crap at WalMart, but 'made in America' products instantly become 20% cheaper.

Just a thought.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-11-11   15:21:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Jethro Tull (#48)

Why not both? We do need to maintain a presence in the world, and it would be, as much as it would help others, promoting our interests in a positive way.

Although I prefer it done by a private group why not have a channel to direct that youthful altruism in a way that benefits all?

Just like the military it would be a term of service not necessarily a lifelong pursuit.

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-11-11   15:26:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Original_Intent, 4 (#49)

Why not both? We do need to maintain a presence in the world, and it would be, as much as it would help others, promoting our interests in a positive way.

Well, I'd disagree and suggest that America was great when it was an isolationist, xenophobic nation. A nation, by definition, is a boundary guided by language, culture and border. Those deep into conspiracies can trace the point in American history where we strayed, but I'm more inclined in stopping the puppet masters and their programs as they present themselves now. I give you Jan Brewer and the state of AZ, aided by Joe Arpaio.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-11-11   15:45:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: Jethro Tull (#51)

Why not both? We do need to maintain a presence in the world, and it would be, as much as it would help others, promoting our interests in a positive way.

Well, I'd disagree and suggest that America was great when it was an isolationist, xenophobic nation. A nation, by definition, is a boundary guided by language, culture and border. Those deep into conspiracies can trace the point in American history where we strayed, but I'm more inclined in stopping the puppet masters and their programs as they present themselves now. I give you Jan Brewer and the state of AZ, aided by Joe Arpaio.

And I would respectfully disagree. When America was largely isolationist Steamships were the state of the art, Telegraph was the primary means of communication across the Atlantic, and those crazy kids in the Bicycle shop were still experimenting with gliders. As well we were never completely isolationist. It was tariffs levied to protect northern manufacturing and banking interests which helped drive us into a Civil War. Not that I am opposed to tariffs per se, but when they are levied out of political motivation to the disadvantage of other citizens then they cease to be revenue collection become an adjunct to Crony Capitalism.

We now live in an age where communications technology instantly connects Hong Kong, London, and New York in a Global web. While Tariffs and Imposts are, I believe, important in both raising revenue and leveling the competitive playing field between domestic industry and foreign competition it is nevertheless competition which forces innovation and efficiency. So, there is a balancing point.

Illegal immigration, and protecting our borders, is not the same thing - it is only a superficial similarity. As well it is nonsensical regulations levied in the interest of the most powerful lobbies which is hobbling American industry as much or more than foreign competition. American business should be able to compete on a level playing field and regulations need to be formulated for the protection of people from fraud, and pollution, and nothing more. However, that is not what they do. They are, in many cases (take the AMA for example), structured and arranged so as to establish a preference for one group over another.

The matter of real reform is not a subject I can attempt more than outline in a forum post, but it would revolve around the key principle of "rational self interest" not "special interests" which is what we have now.

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-11-11   17:00:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: Original_Intent, 4 (#57)

When America was largely isolationist Steamships were the state of the art, Telegraph was the primary means of communication across the Atlantic, and those crazy kids in the Bicycle shop were still experimenting with gliders. As well we were never completely isolationist

I beg to differ.

All of the above were the state of America, not of the world. It was our benevolence that allowed erstwhile lesser nations to share in develop (for a price as well they should).

As for tariffs, it isn't a matter for debate unless you disagree with our Constitution.

I lose you on illegal immigration. It's illegal and makes a mockery of our immigration policy. It will be illegals who bring down unemployment, Medicare, Medicaid, but I'm a voice in the wilderness. God help all those American citizens who rely on them, or soon will.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-11-11   17:27:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: Jethro Tull (#61)

Ahhhhhhh! Now that I have a nice hot cup of tea, grown in India and packaged in France, I can continue.

First, to get it off the table, I do not disagree with you on illegal immigration, and would like to see the so-called H-1b Work Visas sharply curtailed. Both are driving down American wages, and act to the detriment of the common man.

I am, rather than an advocate of "free trade", an advocate for fair trade i.e., what is fair to the people of the United States. Of course fairness is a matter of perspective too. The American Steel Industry collapsed because of two things:

1. Tariffs that isolated the U.S. Steel Industry and protected them from bad business decisions.

2. Inflexible Unions opposed to modernization because it would put "Union Members" out of a no longer needed job.

When the Tariffs were lifted U.S. Steel producers collapsed and the "Union Members" were ALL put out of work as entire plants closed. So, both were short sighted as despite their great advantage of short shipping routes to their customers the customers were able to buy a better product for less on the open market despite much higher shipping costs.

The lesson is that Tariffs are not a panacea. Protectionism, and isolationism, are no longer viable in world of producers and markets.

That does not mean we have to allow vast inflows of goods brought about as a result of near slave labor and no environmental regulation. Both from self interest and as an ethical matter. So, tariffs should be high enough, and no higher, to equalize the difference. That preserves competition while at the same time protecting domestic industry and jobs. Another long term objective, something that is like waving a Cross wrapped in Garlic to a Vampire so far as our Bankster Masters see it, is the encouragement of employee ownership. Not communisim but businesses owned and run by the people who work in them. There are, at least, two good reasons to encourage it:

1. Employees who hold a real stake in the business have self interest in seeing that the business succeeds.

2. It encourages local ownership, and discourages selling out to a foreign interest. If they sell out they're selling themselves out.

3. It empowers the workers making them more self-sufficient.

However, the Banksters have, in the past (Pan-Am Airways comes to mind) a distinct aversion to financing employee takeovers, and have been reluctant to float the loans necessary to do it.

A good case study is a small steel mill near where I live. The major corporation that owned it decided it was not profitable enough to keep open. Problem was it was the only major employer in the community in which it was located and closing it meant large scale unemployment for the community. So, the employees bought the plant mortgaging their own homes and taking on 60K of debt per household. A year later the mill was flourishing and was more profitable than ever. Within a couple of years the debt was retired and the employees all owned their own share free and clear.

The solutions to our problems are not just erect a wall and pretend no one else exists. It just is not going to work in an interconnected and interdependent world. What is needed is a dose of rational self interest. It was commented under Reagan that a rising tide lifts all boats, and I believe that to be true, but only if we drive a stake through the heart of the Bankster Vampires sucking the lifeblood from the planet.

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-11-11   18:17:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#74. To: Original_Intent (#67)

I am, rather than an advocate of "free trade", an advocate for fair trade i.e., what is fair to the people of the United States. Of course fairness is a matter of perspective too. The American Steel Industry collapsed because of two things:

1. Tariffs that isolated the U.S. Steel Industry and protected them from bad business decisions.

2. Inflexible Unions opposed to modernization because it would put "Union Members" out of a no longer needed job.

O_I - Our steel industry collapsed because of our entanglement in global treaties (agreements is more accurate) that for whatever reason we abide by. Out congress has willingly surrendered their constitutional oversight for a pound of flesh. It is THEY, not the president, not the Senate, and not the unions who have the ability to cancel these (WTO/NAFTA) agreements. We simply need to fire the oafs and employ the clear thinkers.

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WTO rules against tariffs: Steel measures violate global trade, panel says

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WASHINGTON - The World Trade Organization has ruled that stiff tariffs President Bush imposed last year to give American steel companies time to get back on their feet violated global trade rules, officials who have seen the preliminary decision said Wednesday.

Administration officials said they would appeal the decision and that the tariffs will remain in effect during the appeal process.

"We believe the steel safeguard measures comply with our international obligations and will appeal the panel report if it is finalized without change," said a U.S. trade official, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

U.S. steel-consuming industries, however, urged the administration to end the "safeguard" program, which has two more years to run. They have complained that the high tariffs have cost their companies 200,000 jobs over the past year.

"We need to find other ways to help the steel industry without hurting their customers," said Lewis Leibowitz, general counsel for the Consuming Industries Trade Action Coalition.

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