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Title: Wayne Madsen: China Fired Missile Seen In Southern California
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Published: Nov 12, 2010
Author: Wayne Madsen
Post Date: 2010-11-12 15:00:35 by randge
Keywords: Missile launch, Southern California, Madsen, China
Views: 1624
Comments: 124
Wayne Madsen: China Fired Missile Seen In Southern California Wayne Madsen Report Pentagon and its embedded media covering up Chinese show of force off LA China flexed its military muscle Monday evening in the skies west of Los Angeles when a Chinese Navy Jin class ballistic missile nuclear submarine, deployed secretly from its underground home base on the south coast of Hainan island, launched an intercontinental ballistic missile from international waters off the southern California coast. WMR’s intelligence sources in Asia, including Japan, say the belief by the military commands in Asia and the intelligence services is that the Chinese decided to demonstrate to the United States its capabilities on the eve of the G-20 Summit in Seoul and the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation summit in Tokyo, where President Obama is scheduled to attend during his ten-day trip to Asia. The reported Chinese missile test off Los Angeles came as a double blow to Obama. The day after the missile firing, China’s leading credit rating agency, Dagong Global Credit Rating, downgraded sovereign debt rating of the United States to A-plus from AA. The missile demonstration coupled with the downgrading of the United States financial grade represents a military and financial show of force by Beijing to Washington. The Pentagon spin machine, backed by the media reporters who regularly cover the Defense Department, as well as officials of the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD), and the U.S. Northern Command, is now spinning various conspiracy theories, including describing the missile plume videotaped by KCBS news helicopter cameraman Gil Leyvas at around 5:00 pm Pacific Standard Time, during the height of evening rush hour, as the condensation trail from a jet aircraft. Other Pentagon-inspired cover stories are that the missile was actually an amateur rocket or an optical illusion. Experts agree that this was a ballistic missile being fired off of Los Angeles. Pentagon insists it was a jet aircraft or model rocket. There are no records of a plane in the area having taken off from Los Angeles International Airport or from other airports in the region. The Navy and Air Force have said that they were not conducting any missile tests from submarines, ships, or Vandenberg Air Force Base. The Navy has also ruled out an accidental firing from one of its own submarines. Missile experts, including those from Jane’s in London, say the plume was definitely from a missile, possibly launched from a submarine. WMR has learned that the missile was likely a JL-2 ICBM, which has a range of 7,000 miles, and was fired in a northwesterly direction over the Pacific and away from U.S. territory from a Jin class submarine. The Jin class can carry up to twelve such missiles. Navy sources have revealed that the missile may have impacted on Chinese territory and that the National Security Agency (NSA) likely posseses intercepts of Chinese telemtry signals during the missile firing and subsequent testing operations. Japanese and other Asian intelligence agencies believe that a Chinese Jin-class SSBN submarine conducted missile “show of force” in skies west of Los Angeles. Asian intelligence sources believe the submarine transited from its base on Hainan through South Pacific waters, where U.S. anti-submarine warfare detection capabilities are not as effective as they are in the northern and mid-Pacific, and then transited north to waters off of Los Angeles. The Pentagon, which has spent billions on ballistic missile defense systems, a pet project of former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, is clearly embarrassed over the Chinese show of strength. Likely route of Jin-class submarine from Hainan base. The White House also wants to donwplay the missile story before Presidnet Obama meets with his Chinese counterpart in Seoul and Tokyo. According to Japanese intelligence sources, Beijing has been angry over United States and allied naval exercises in the South China and Yellow Seas, in what China considers its sphere of influence, and the missile firing within the view of people in Southern California was a demonstration that China’s navy can also play in waters off the American coast. For the U.S. Navy, the Chinese show of force is a huge embarassment, especially for the Navy’s Pacific Command in Pearl Harbor, where Japan’s December 7, 1941 attack on the fleet at Pearl Harbor remains a sore subject. Fresh food that lasts from eFoods Direct (Ad) In 2002, national security adviser Condoleezza Rice reportedly scolded visiting Chinese General Xiong Guankai, the deputy chief of staff for intelligence of the People’s Liberation Army, for remarks he allegedly made in 1995 that China would use nuclear weapons on Los Angeles. Xiong denied he made any such comments but the “spin” on the story helped convince Congress to sink billions of additional dollars into ballistic missile defense, sometimes referred to at “Star Wars II.” Poster Comment: Wayne Madsen is well known as an investigative reporter. Less well known is the fact that he trained at the Nay's Surface Warfare School. Madsen was assigned to anti-submarine acoustic sensing operationsa and was awarded a Navy Unit Commendation as part of the team that detected the first acoustic signature of a Soviet Alfa class submarine. Madsen says that our highly advertised anti-submarine capability has been hollowed out in recent years and that we currently have only five ASW vessels to cover all the world's oceans. He cites the Navy's admission of the failure to detect a Chinese submarine that surfaced within weapons range of the USS Kitty Hawk task force several years ago.
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#5. To: randge (#0)
Oh, this is ripe for gutting. I shall be happy to do so after a few more posts to your silly thread. Just so you know, the US Navy west coast base located in San Diego as well as the US Marine base located in Oceanside has no observable evidence of Madsen's BS. The USS Ronald Reagan was on the west coast this week on active duty primarily assisting some stranded Carnival passenger ship from some sort of malfunction off of Tijuana, Mexico. They have strategic global monitoring systems for these kinds of shenanigans. That "missile" that was watched by a helicopter pilot for 10 minutes was just a passenger jet from Hawaii to Arizona. It was just an optical illusion because of the sunset and the contrail appearance in the sky.
The Navy NEVER lies.
Well, the FAA has large range radar in Los Angeles,CA (LAX), Orange County, Ontario besides many other southern California , too. Nothing reported other than usual planned sky traffic. Nice try, pal... but no cigar.
As ex FAA, that is BS from your own mind buck. If they come forward with a Flt number, we might have something to talk about. They have said nothing buck and from their radar tapes they can.
If they come forward with a Flt number, we might have something to talk about. Before moving too fast, Cynicom AND since you understand aircraft so well because your .... hmmmm.... FAA background, lets take a peek at the original photographer's (some helicopter pilot for a MSM trafficwatch) perspective Isn't that statement ludicrus? A missile in the sky for ten minutes? Missiles travel at super sonic speeds perhaps as fast as Mach5. Go figure. Now, back to your question...... from the FAA:
Buck... What you are quoting is pap, pablum and poop from the media. The FAA has NOT said WHO it was, until then trying to use media coverage is futile. The Oakland FIR covers ten per cent of the worlds surface, FOR POSITIVE AIRCRAFT CONTROL AT ALL TIMES, NO EXCEPTIONS. It extends from Oakland to near Anchorage, westward to near Japan, south nearly to the Philippines, to north of Australia, the largest FIR in the aviation world, with the latest up to date equipment. In that vein, when they announce officially WHO THE AIRCRAFT WAS, that will end the speculation. Not until.
I love ya Cynicom, but the contrail observed was from US Airways Flight 808 from Honolulu to Phoenix.
That is from an official FAA announcement???? I have seen that in a blog, and that is where you got it from, I do read.
The FAA site doesn't have "official" statements based on some helicopter pilot's observation. So, I guess you can believe that the Chinese are coming. Get that helmet on and clean the musket... its WAR! LOL
Get that helmet on and clean the musket... its WAR! LOL Buck... Use a little reasoning... If it was an aircraft, the FAA has the ability to identify it and dispel any doubt. The military/norad jumped the shark by saying they did not know what it was. The seed of doubt was sown by the government, not by the chopper pilot. Out of the gate the military/government raised the speculation, not the civilian population. In that area, Oakland FAA authorizes all missile launches, bar none. They also have total control of all aircraft in a positive mode, bar none.
Out of the gate the military/government raised the speculation, not the civilian population. I understand your point still it is not a conclusion about the cause being some Chinese missile as in the article of this thread..... that sort of stuff by Madsen is why he gets ratings... BS.
I agree... However as a student of geopolitics you well know that NOTHING is denied off hand, every possibility is considered. Either way buck, the government/military will indeed use it to sway a new Congress.
The rarity of these kinds of events precludes your considerations for new budgeting approval. Here is what shall happen: FAA shall wrap it up sometime soon showing an relatively slow moving aircraft with a contrail near dusk over the Pacific Ocean. Most officials will laff it off, too. As they already pointed out there was no threat and no planned or errant launches otherwise. They will laff at the American publick for believing in BS.
For separation, all aircraft must maintain a specified mach number, no deviation is allowed without permission, engine problems etc. We all fly the required speed without exceptions, that is the only way separation can be maintained. With coastal radar, there is no deviation as the speed is known.
Nice try Cyni. I guess you don't know about IFF radar. It is a method of identifying aircraft within the US and ally nations for Identification of Friend or Foe. Without this method of signaling this encrypted signature, aircraft (UFOs, enemy missiles, Tinkerbell, etc.) are not recognized and are considered hostile. IFF radar is an important flight recognition method to understand issues about national defense. It is employed all over Canada and the USA.
IFF radar is an important flight recognition method to understand issues about national defense. It is employed all over Canada and the USA. Couldn't "magic paint" [ref: bolded and underlined text + note in blue below] be why whatever it was apparently wasn't detected?: From 60 Minutes Transcript on Area 51, Interview of Jonathan Turley, Atty by Leslie Stahl: ACTUAL VERBAL TRANSCRIPT CBS-TV -- 60 MINUTES March 17, 1996. This 60 Minutes segment orignally aired on March 17, 1996. It follows the controversy at a top secret air base which supposedly doesn't exist. For more information regarding the lawsuit and / or Area 51, point your web browser at: http://www.cris.com/~psyspy/area51/ Leslie Stahl: Why this story is called Area 51 / Catch 22 will become clear as it unfolds. [sic] Stahl: The Air Force maintains that if they answer your question, then the enemy will be able to piece together a mosaic about the specific operations at Area 51. Turley: Yes, and that's just facially absurd. Stahl: Didn't you ever ask them any specifics? Turley: Yes. Stahl: Like what? Turley: Oh, we asked if they have jet fuel there. Stahl: Jet fuel.. What did they say? Turley: They said to "admit or deny the presence of jet fuel at an air base would put American lives in danger." Stahl: They said that? Turley: Oh yeah.. Stahl: C'mon.. What else did you ask? Turley: We asked about paint. Stahl: What ? (laughs) Turley: Not the magic paint, not the stuff that makes planes disappear..[My note: From radar?] Paint.. Like in your house. Stahl: What was the answer? Turley: "American lives would be put in danger if we answer that question." Stahl: No... Turley: Yeah...
No. You are referring to "stealth capabilities" not IFF radar detection. Stealth technology (beyond the physical design of the craft) doesn't release plumes of observable mammoth contrails which is all about the 10 minute observation of some MSM trafficwatcher in a helicopter looking into the sunset.
You are referring to "stealth capabilities" not IFF radar detection. Stealth technology (beyond the physical design of the craft) doesn't release plumes of observable mammoth contrails which is all about the 10 minute observation of some MSM trafficwatcher in a helicopter looking into the sunset. Suppose the objective was for the flying object to be unidentified but the plume was intended to be seen as a deliberate signal that something was there.
And denied by the US government bureaucracies on all levels, too. Well, by golly, Madsen might be on to something. A Chinese nuclear submarine class Xia-class SSBN lauched an ICBM right off the coast of California! Run for your life! Although, I might add.... it might be a bit late.
Run for your life! Although, I might add.... it might be a bit late. I haven't ruled out yet that it might have been one of those waterspout tornado phenomena: The thing with that theory, though, is that something was being discussed about a mystery launch in the Phoenix, AZ area around the same time where it's drier: MYSTERY MISSILE LAUNCH IN PHOENIX AZ Same As California Launch? Nov 5th Video! Here's an interesting comment at the YouTube site: "Well, if both are missile launches the missiles had to go somewhere. Where are they ?" My questions are: Didn't the KCBS News helicopter pilot/crew get any close up film of the object off the California coast? Maybe they did and it's been classified for some reason? I haven't seen anything about that, anyway. Is there at least a statement or interview of the helicopter pilot/crew that I've missed somehow? Odd if they're under a gag order or something. IHNN News Update: Mysterious Missile Launched in Southern California and Phoenix
Oh... just Great! From having a nuclear powered Chinese submarine off the coast of California by a derelict non-technical author or hyper-bullshit and claptrap ...... to NORAD is shutdown because the USA has ICBMs flying off to all points around the globe. I think this is just awesome. What can we do? I am not running, though. I am not hiding. I am pulling out another whiskey bottle to celebrate these rumours ... it doesn't get better than this on a Friday night!
I think this is just awesome. What can we do? I am not running, though. I am not hiding. I am pulling out another whiskey bottle to celebrate these rumours ... it doesn't get better than this on a Friday night! What do ya think of my Jetman Theory?
No large contrail plume. The phenomena by the inept reporters or speculators of and about a "mystery missile" is totally about de plane! de plane!... quote, borrowed from Fantasy Island TV history..
So we're looping back to de plane!...de plane! theory -- with stealth/radar invisibility capability that likely wasn't an ordinary aircraft or cleared with the FAA as a Pentagon test and is strangely still unconfirmed as such by those sources, yes? I really thought you'd prefer the Jetman Theory, buckeroo. I suspect you'll be having some more whiskey as you try to come up with an explanation for the FAA's undetection and unawareness and the Pentagon's unclarity about it.
Well... it wasn't a bird... ....... and it wasn't superman, was it?
Ok, now we're in agreement and narrowing down the possibilities. Stamp Act artifact. I don't think that one's from Britain but I could be wrong.
Whew ... I am glad. For awhile there I didn't think you remembered the Superman prelude and anthem.... from the 1950's Look up in the sky! It's a bird.... No ... it's a plane! ... No, its superman!
Trying to get me to say how old I am, are ya? Well, now you know that I do remember the Superman show. Could have been from syndication long after it went off the air though.
Well, trust me on the following matter... it wasn't a bird or .... ..... superman; much less a rocket. It was just a passenger jet aircraft on a routine flight from Hawaii to Arizona.
...with stealth/radar invisibility capability... What proof precentage is that whiskey you're drinking, buck? Sounds like it's in the range of moonshine to me.
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#7. To: buckeroo (#5)
#15. To: randge (#7)
The Navy NEVER lies.
#18. To: buckeroo, randge, all (#15)
Well, the FAA has large range radar in Los Angeles,CA (LAX), Orange County, Ontario besides many other southern California , too. Nothing reported other than usual planned sky traffic. Nice try, pal... but no cigar.
#21. To: Cynicom (#18)
As ex FAA, that is BS from your own mind buck.
I watched the missile for ten minutes.
“The FAA ran radar replays of a large area west of Los Angeles based on media reports of the location of a possible missile launch around 5pm Monday. The radar replayed did not reveal any fast moving unidentified targets in that area. The FAA also did not receive reports of any unusual sightings from pilots who were flying in the area Monday afternoon. Finally the FAA did not approve any commercial space launches around the area Monday.”
#24. To: buckeroo, randge, all (#21)
As ex FAA, that is BS from your own mind buck.
#27. To: Cynicom (#24)
In that vein, when they announce officially WHO THE AIRCRAFT WAS, that will end the speculation. Not until.
#29. To: buckeroo (#27)
I love ya Cynicom, but the contrail observed was from US Airways Flight 808 from Honolulu to Phoenix.
#31. To: Cynicom (#29)
#34. To: buckeroo (#31)
The FAA site doesn't have "official" statements based on some helicopter pilot's observation. So, I guess you can believe that the Chinese are coming.
#39. To: Cynicom (#34)
The seed of doubt was sown by the government, not by the chopper pilot.
#40. To: buckeroo (#39)
I understand your point still it is not a conclusion about the cause being some Chinese missile as in the article of this thread..... that sort of stuff by Madsen is why he gets ratings... BS.
#41. To: Cynicom (#40)
Either way buck, the government/military will indeed use it to sway a new Congress.
#43. To: buckeroo (#41)
#45. To: Cynicom (#43)
We all fly the required speed without exceptions, that is the only way separation can be maintained. With coastal radar, there is no deviation as the speed is known.
#68. To: buckeroo, All (#45)
(Edited)
IFF radar. It is a method of identifying aircraft within the US and ally nations for Identification of Friend or Foe. Without this method of signaling this encrypted signature, aircraft (UFOs, enemy missiles, Tinkerbell, etc.) are not recognized and are considered hostile.
#70. To: GreyLmist (#68)
Couldn't "magic paint" [ref: bolded and underlined text + note in blue below] be why whatever it was apparently wasn't detected?
#74. To: buckeroo (#70)
Couldn't "magic paint" [ref: bolded and underlined text + note in blue below] be why whatever it was apparently wasn't detected? No.
#75. To: GreyLmist (#74)
Suppose the objective was for the flying object to be unidentified but the plume was intended to be seen as a deliberate signal that something was there.
#79. To: buckeroo (#75)
(Edited)
denied by the US government bureaucracies on all levels, too. Well, by golly, Madsen might be on to something. A Chinese nuclear submarine class Xia-class SSBN lauched an ICBM right off the coast of California!
http://www.youtube.com/watch? v=PWbMieG2WkE
http://www.youtube.com/watch? v=bB3ZNpLDSLs
#82. To: GreyLmist (#79)
#87. To: buckeroo (#82)
Oh... just Great! From having a nuclear powered Chinese submarine off the coast of California by a derelict non-technical author or hyper-bullshit and claptrap ...... to NORAD is shutdown because the USA has ICBMs flying off to all points around the globe.
#90. To: GreyLmist (#87)
#96. To: buckeroo (#90)
No large contrail plume. The phenomena by the inept reporters or speculators of and about a "mystery missile" is totally about de plane! de plane!... quote, borrowed from Fantasy Island TV history..
#97. To: GreyLmist (#96)
So we're looping back to de plane!...de plane! theory -- with stealth/radar invisibility capability that likely wasn't an ordinary aircraft or cleared with the FAA as a Pentagon test and is strangely still unconfirmed as such by those sources, yes?
#100. To: buckeroo (#97)
Well... it wasn't a bird... ....... and it wasn't superman, was it?
#101. To: GreyLmist (#100)
Ok, now we're in agreement and narrowing down the possibilities.
#103. To: buckeroo (#101)
Whew ... I am glad. For awhile there I didn't think you remembered the Superman prelude and anthem.... from the 1950's Look up in the sky! It's a bird.... No ... it's a plane! ... No, its superman!
#104. To: GreyLmist (#103)
#105. To: buckeroo (#104)
Well, trust me on the following matter... it wasn't a bird or .... ..... superman; much less a rocket. It was just a passenger jet aircraft on a routine flight from Hawaii to Arizona.
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