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Title: Wayne Madsen: China Fired Missile Seen In Southern California
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URL Source: http://www.infowars.com/wayne-madse ... e-seen-in-southern-california/
Published: Nov 12, 2010
Author: Wayne Madsen
Post Date: 2010-11-12 15:00:35 by randge
Keywords: Missile launch, Southern California, Madsen, China
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Comments: 124
Wayne Madsen: China Fired Missile Seen In Southern California Wayne Madsen Report Pentagon and its embedded media covering up Chinese show of force off LA China flexed its military muscle Monday evening in the skies west of Los Angeles when a Chinese Navy Jin class ballistic missile nuclear submarine, deployed secretly from its underground home base on the south coast of Hainan island, launched an intercontinental ballistic missile from international waters off the southern California coast. WMR’s intelligence sources in Asia, including Japan, say the belief by the military commands in Asia and the intelligence services is that the Chinese decided to demonstrate to the United States its capabilities on the eve of the G-20 Summit in Seoul and the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation summit in Tokyo, where President Obama is scheduled to attend during his ten-day trip to Asia. The reported Chinese missile test off Los Angeles came as a double blow to Obama. The day after the missile firing, China’s leading credit rating agency, Dagong Global Credit Rating, downgraded sovereign debt rating of the United States to A-plus from AA. The missile demonstration coupled with the downgrading of the United States financial grade represents a military and financial show of force by Beijing to Washington. The Pentagon spin machine, backed by the media reporters who regularly cover the Defense Department, as well as officials of the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD), and the U.S. Northern Command, is now spinning various conspiracy theories, including describing the missile plume videotaped by KCBS news helicopter cameraman Gil Leyvas at around 5:00 pm Pacific Standard Time, during the height of evening rush hour, as the condensation trail from a jet aircraft. Other Pentagon-inspired cover stories are that the missile was actually an amateur rocket or an optical illusion. Experts agree that this was a ballistic missile being fired off of Los Angeles. Pentagon insists it was a jet aircraft or model rocket. There are no records of a plane in the area having taken off from Los Angeles International Airport or from other airports in the region. The Navy and Air Force have said that they were not conducting any missile tests from submarines, ships, or Vandenberg Air Force Base. The Navy has also ruled out an accidental firing from one of its own submarines. Missile experts, including those from Jane’s in London, say the plume was definitely from a missile, possibly launched from a submarine. WMR has learned that the missile was likely a JL-2 ICBM, which has a range of 7,000 miles, and was fired in a northwesterly direction over the Pacific and away from U.S. territory from a Jin class submarine. The Jin class can carry up to twelve such missiles. Navy sources have revealed that the missile may have impacted on Chinese territory and that the National Security Agency (NSA) likely posseses intercepts of Chinese telemtry signals during the missile firing and subsequent testing operations. Japanese and other Asian intelligence agencies believe that a Chinese Jin-class SSBN submarine conducted missile “show of force” in skies west of Los Angeles. Asian intelligence sources believe the submarine transited from its base on Hainan through South Pacific waters, where U.S. anti-submarine warfare detection capabilities are not as effective as they are in the northern and mid-Pacific, and then transited north to waters off of Los Angeles. The Pentagon, which has spent billions on ballistic missile defense systems, a pet project of former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, is clearly embarrassed over the Chinese show of strength. Likely route of Jin-class submarine from Hainan base. The White House also wants to donwplay the missile story before Presidnet Obama meets with his Chinese counterpart in Seoul and Tokyo. According to Japanese intelligence sources, Beijing has been angry over United States and allied naval exercises in the South China and Yellow Seas, in what China considers its sphere of influence, and the missile firing within the view of people in Southern California was a demonstration that China’s navy can also play in waters off the American coast. For the U.S. Navy, the Chinese show of force is a huge embarassment, especially for the Navy’s Pacific Command in Pearl Harbor, where Japan’s December 7, 1941 attack on the fleet at Pearl Harbor remains a sore subject. Fresh food that lasts from eFoods Direct (Ad) In 2002, national security adviser Condoleezza Rice reportedly scolded visiting Chinese General Xiong Guankai, the deputy chief of staff for intelligence of the People’s Liberation Army, for remarks he allegedly made in 1995 that China would use nuclear weapons on Los Angeles. Xiong denied he made any such comments but the “spin” on the story helped convince Congress to sink billions of additional dollars into ballistic missile defense, sometimes referred to at “Star Wars II.” Poster Comment: Wayne Madsen is well known as an investigative reporter. Less well known is the fact that he trained at the Nay's Surface Warfare School. Madsen was assigned to anti-submarine acoustic sensing operationsa and was awarded a Navy Unit Commendation as part of the team that detected the first acoustic signature of a Soviet Alfa class submarine. Madsen says that our highly advertised anti-submarine capability has been hollowed out in recent years and that we currently have only five ASW vessels to cover all the world's oceans. He cites the Navy's admission of the failure to detect a Chinese submarine that surfaced within weapons range of the USS Kitty Hawk task force several years ago.
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#1. To: randge (#0)
Madsen had some excellent information today. The guy's intel is about the best I've heard.
The best evidence is that is was an American drone.
"If ever this vast country is brought under a single government, it will be one of the most extensive corruption, indifferent and incapable of a wholesome care over so wide a spread of surface. This will not be borne, and you will have to choose between reform and revolution. If I know the spirit of this country, the one or the other is inevitable." - Thomas Jefferson
Where are the swamp gas,Venus and balloon guys when you need them????
That video is spin-proof, to me. For .mil to even try and deny reality, just loses them even more cred (if they have an iota left).
Oh, this is ripe for gutting. I shall be happy to do so after a few more posts to your silly thread. Just so you know, the US Navy west coast base located in San Diego as well as the US Marine base located in Oceanside has no observable evidence of Madsen's BS. The USS Ronald Reagan was on the west coast this week on active duty primarily assisting some stranded Carnival passenger ship from some sort of malfunction off of Tijuana, Mexico. They have strategic global monitoring systems for these kinds of shenanigans. That "missile" that was watched by a helicopter pilot for 10 minutes was just a passenger jet from Hawaii to Arizona. It was just an optical illusion because of the sunset and the contrail appearance in the sky.
When you have "best evidence" in support of a proposition, it always helps if you present it.
We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. - Aesop
The Navy NEVER lies.
We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. - Aesop
Bah, hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. By whom?
Turtle and buck are the swamp gas guys in mufti, trying to con us rubes??????
What battleship "incident" was it they got caught trying to hang a grunt for their own negligence???????
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
That is because he has no evidence, and along with his shill partner in crime is just trying to "catapult the propaganda".
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
What battleship "incident" was it they got caught trying to hang a grunt for their own negligence??????? I believe it was the Missouri when they had an explosion in the forward gun room on the 16 inch mount. Of course it killed the entire gun crew.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Turtle has his tea leaves out as we speak, conjuring up some BS to spread here on the forum, but we rubes are tooooo smart for him. His credibility is ZERO minus.....
Well, the FAA has large range radar in Los Angeles,CA (LAX), Orange County, Ontario besides many other southern California , too. Nothing reported other than usual planned sky traffic. Nice try, pal... but no cigar.
Thats the one...They tried to hang the grunt and got caught. Turned out it was the powder bags that were way over the age limit due the navys negligence.
I shall be happy to help bust this thread in a wee bit of time.
As ex FAA, that is BS from your own mind buck. If they come forward with a Flt number, we might have something to talk about. They have said nothing buck and from their radar tapes they can.
As a general rule I believe NO ONE on the public payroll. Robert Ellsworth is retired and Doug Richardson works for a private publication. When you compare their spontaneous reaction to the video evidence it contrast sharply with the frantic couple of days it took for the Pentagon to get its story straight. Robert Ellsworth, former U.S. Ambassador to NATO and one time Deputy Secretary of Defense said, "It's spectacular… It takes people's breath away. It's a big missile." Ellsworth told the London Times, "It’s a solid propellant missile." Doug Richardson, is the editor of Jane’s Missiles and Rockets, the British-published defense industry authority. Jane’s military publications date back to 1898, and are acknowledged for its expertise in the field. Richardson examined the video for the Times of London and said he was left with little doubt that what some insist was a contrail from a jet was in fact a missile. Richardson said it could have been a ballistic missile launched from a submarine. "It’s a solid propellant missile," he told the Times. "You can tell from the efflux [smoke]." We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. - Aesop
FAA, NORAD are MIA once again. LMFOA!!
We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. - Aesop
If they come forward with a Flt number, we might have something to talk about. Before moving too fast, Cynicom AND since you understand aircraft so well because your .... hmmmm.... FAA background, lets take a peek at the original photographer's (some helicopter pilot for a MSM trafficwatch) perspective Isn't that statement ludicrus? A missile in the sky for ten minutes? Missiles travel at super sonic speeds perhaps as fast as Mach5. Go figure. Now, back to your question...... from the FAA: Isn't that statement ludicrus? Take a break, buck. Pour yourself a bourbon. I've watched launches at Cape Canaveral and followed them for at least ten minutes before I had to pull out the binoculars. Once the vehicle becomes a microscopic dot, you can follow the flame and exhaust for quite a long time, at Mach whatever.
We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. - Aesop
That was my initial conclusion, as well. I've no credentials in the field except many years of observations from all means.
Buck... What you are quoting is pap, pablum and poop from the media. The FAA has NOT said WHO it was, until then trying to use media coverage is futile. The Oakland FIR covers ten per cent of the worlds surface, FOR POSITIVE AIRCRAFT CONTROL AT ALL TIMES, NO EXCEPTIONS. It extends from Oakland to near Anchorage, westward to near Japan, south nearly to the Philippines, to north of Australia, the largest FIR in the aviation world, with the latest up to date equipment. In that vein, when they announce officially WHO THE AIRCRAFT WAS, that will end the speculation. Not until.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Trust me, no one will be held accountable. Unless .mil admits that the Chinese have snookered us yet again.
This happens to my Redbreast Happy Hour, if you don't mind. 1. Flight track was from Hawaii to the mainland. I love ya Cynicom, but the contrail observed was from US Airways Flight 808 from Honolulu to Phoenix.
Rest assured that with the new incoming Congress, this will be in play for asking for MORE MONEY. Whether it was swamp gas or a balloon does not matter. The military is rubbing their hands with glee, more loot to spend, need more Generals and Admirals. Wheeeee.
That is from an official FAA announcement???? I have seen that in a blog, and that is where you got it from, I do read.
It makes me want to puke.
The FAA site doesn't have "official" statements based on some helicopter pilot's observation. So, I guess you can believe that the Chinese are coming. Get that helmet on and clean the musket... its WAR! LOL
A surface to air missile might not be in the sky for long, from it's launch to moment of impact. However, an ICBM would take about as long as an orbital launch (ie. satellite, Space Shuttle) would take, since it actually travels through sub-orbital space. So about 10 minutes wouldn't be that unusual for that sort of "missile".
Many years ago when I was with FAA, I was sick of waste. They use the cover of a vital service to suck up tax dollars to squander. At one time we use to be able to rent aircraft to fly around with, having a good time, and the tax payers paid the bill. It was all above board on paper as a needed expense in controller experience. It was all BS and it was finally done away with. Another bomb was the idea that a college educated person would make a better controller, more intelligent, dont you know. With that they could ask for more money and higher pay. Controllers at that time had to pass thru the FAA academy in OK City. The college kids bombed out at a rate of over 50 per cent. That program was tanked quick. They determined a piece of paper meant nothing.
Get that helmet on and clean the musket... its WAR! LOL Buck... Use a little reasoning... If it was an aircraft, the FAA has the ability to identify it and dispel any doubt. The military/norad jumped the shark by saying they did not know what it was. The seed of doubt was sown by the government, not by the chopper pilot. Out of the gate the military/government raised the speculation, not the civilian population. In that area, Oakland FAA authorizes all missile launches, bar none. They also have total control of all aircraft in a positive mode, bar none.
Amen. Recent examples Gates, Dell, Jobs, Turner - all college drop-outs who've managed to eke out a living. Yet now they're all Honorary Doctors because of their accomplishments without the original sheepskin.
Not true. It takes a bit of time for co-relation based on FACTS.
It takes a bit of time for co-relation based on We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. - Aesop
It takes a bit of time for co-relation based on FACTS. There you go buck, leaving out the reason they cannot say who it was. To do that, they need to know, without doubt the exact location and time from which the video was taken. You left out that part, not nice. Again you are using media poop as facts, that wont wash. Myself, I doubt the contrail answer, however if anyone can tell me WHAT AND WHO it was, I could accept easily.
Out of the gate the military/government raised the speculation, not the civilian population. I understand your point still it is not a conclusion about the cause being some Chinese missile as in the article of this thread..... that sort of stuff by Madsen is why he gets ratings... BS.
I agree... However as a student of geopolitics you well know that NOTHING is denied off hand, every possibility is considered. Either way buck, the government/military will indeed use it to sway a new Congress.
The rarity of these kinds of events precludes your considerations for new budgeting approval. Here is what shall happen: FAA shall wrap it up sometime soon showing an relatively slow moving aircraft with a contrail near dusk over the Pacific Ocean. Most officials will laff it off, too. As they already pointed out there was no threat and no planned or errant launches otherwise. They will laff at the American publick for believing in BS.
I might add that the FAA is under already under extreme pressure to reduce its budget; the Pentagon is too. I regard this as good news. I wish DHS was under that same pressure. They seem to have infinite capability to piss away dollars while not doing anything.
For separation, all aircraft must maintain a specified mach number, no deviation is allowed without permission, engine problems etc. We all fly the required speed without exceptions, that is the only way separation can be maintained. With coastal radar, there is no deviation as the speed is known.
I fought the FAA/government for twenty years, lost every battle, made a lot of enemies. One friend got to near the top of FAA a few years ago until he got chopped off. They like all government agencies need to be cut down to size. For every worker earning his salt, doing a necessary job, there is another in hiding drawing more pay, doing nothing but shuffling papers.
Nice try Cyni. I guess you don't know about IFF radar. It is a method of identifying aircraft within the US and ally nations for Identification of Friend or Foe. Without this method of signaling this encrypted signature, aircraft (UFOs, enemy missiles, Tinkerbell, etc.) are not recognized and are considered hostile. IFF radar is an important flight recognition method to understand issues about national defense. It is employed all over Canada and the USA.
Buck... I operated my first IFF back in 1951. Wanna try again?????? That was a WW2 advancement. Modern days they use a transponder that is capable of about 7000 codes or thereabouts. Each aircraft is assigned a a code number, when the radar sweeps by him, his transponder blips, giving the controller positive ID.
Ever hear of Link 16? Obviously, you know about Link 11/22.
Buck, you need to get up to speed. I been retired for years and most of this is methods and equipment we never dreamed about. Throw in... We use to fly up and down the west coast jamming radars for a living. Practicing for Russian and Chinese. We could also jam TV stations, for which we caught hell more than once, but it was fun and no one could ident us.
Nope, as I say equipment wise I am a dinosaur.
Buck... Go here... http://www.liveatc.net/flisten.php?mount=hf_pacific_napa You will hear San Francisco working the traffic as far north as Alaska and south to near Australia. He will call himself San Francisco, working the oceanic traffic for Oakland Center and he is sitting in Annapolis MD.
We could also jam TV stations, for which we caught hell more than once, but it was fun and no one could ident us. And the days of military theatre antics are all but a bit over (just budgets) with today's elimination of AWACs. We are moving to stationary blimps in the sky with CCD capabilities to zoom in on over a 30 mile radius with 3" accuracy. These same stationary sky lords are so high up they can't be detected visually so you wouldn't detect them; they use stealth capabilities (radar invisible) and use solar radiation as a power source. They can remain in a geocentric stationary grid or moved on command for over a year at a time. Technology is changing the entire USA.... if the personnel want to know what kind of beer you are drinking they just zoom in on your coldcup while you are riding your JohnDeere mowing back lawn.
Buck... Go here... http://www.liveatc.net/flisten.php?mount=hf_pacific_napa You will hear San Francisco working the traffic as far north as Alaska and south to near Australia. He will call himself San Francisco, working the oceanic traffic for Oakland Center and he is sitting in Annapolis MD.
Friends of mine flew AWACS long ago. One went to Syracuse U to learn Russian, spent two years.
For offensive military posturing, there will always be a need for AWACs so don't misunderstand me. I was referring to defensive posturing as in the article by this liar Madsen about some Chinese missile BS.
You might want to brush up on your geopolitics buck. The realm of possibility is extensive. Highly possible. Probable???? Only the military would know for sure.
Madsen? He is such a sucker for attention and self-adulation/self-aggrandizing he uses publick speculation on an obvious optical illusion towards his own benefit. I don't think you are even close to the truth. The military has no need to hide anything other than obvious budgets and direct massacres on innocent people.
If it was one of theirs by accident, I suspect they would hide.
No they wouldn't. And these threads about a "mystery missile" prove the point. They need no more speculation or condemnation about some silly Chinese missile other than some lamebrain, far-out writer looking for applause. There is no known issue with the US defense system.
I can remember when you were over on freak republic how you constantly stunk up the site. Even the freaks got wise to your silly replys and distanced you. Now you are over here trying the same old BS. Pretty soon you won't have a friend on the internet, save maybe LP. Goldie likes people she can control and you fit the kind she likes. Rather than staying over here and alienating the posters here, why don't you skedaddle on over and break bread with goldi. She would love to have you on board.
What makes you so sure that you have any friends on the Internet? This is just a method of communication and in the sense of a chit-chat channel, I doubt anyone makes an endearing "friend" just as in real life with just a few possible exceptions. Go on over there and ask her to unban me. Make a thread out of it. Tell her I have a couple of hundred dollars for her new server. That will prime her pump. Betcha I can beat ya, if I choose to with one of my other aliases.
Smoke dope much?
We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. - Aesop
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Unlike yourself I am vindicated and totally exonerated.
We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. - Aesop
I prequalified or forwarded my perspective in post#55: So with that brief post in mind, why are you spinning my words in later posts? If anyone is smoking dope or for that matter blundering into publick speculation because some self-aggrandizing author wants to play around with Chinese missiles launching off the coast of California, you might be wise to look at yourself.
Grey Thanks for that. More truth than poetry.
IFF radar is an important flight recognition method to understand issues about national defense. It is employed all over Canada and the USA. Couldn't "magic paint" [ref: bolded and underlined text + note in blue below] be why whatever it was apparently wasn't detected?: From 60 Minutes Transcript on Area 51, Interview of Jonathan Turley, Atty by Leslie Stahl: ACTUAL VERBAL TRANSCRIPT CBS-TV -- 60 MINUTES March 17, 1996. This 60 Minutes segment orignally aired on March 17, 1996. It follows the controversy at a top secret air base which supposedly doesn't exist. For more information regarding the lawsuit and / or Area 51, point your web browser at: http://www.cris.com/~psyspy/area51/ Leslie Stahl: Why this story is called Area 51 / Catch 22 will become clear as it unfolds. [sic] Stahl: The Air Force maintains that if they answer your question, then the enemy will be able to piece together a mosaic about the specific operations at Area 51. Turley: Yes, and that's just facially absurd. Stahl: Didn't you ever ask them any specifics? Turley: Yes. Stahl: Like what? Turley: Oh, we asked if they have jet fuel there. Stahl: Jet fuel.. What did they say? Turley: They said to "admit or deny the presence of jet fuel at an air base would put American lives in danger." Stahl: They said that? Turley: Oh yeah.. Stahl: C'mon.. What else did you ask? Turley: We asked about paint. Stahl: What ? (laughs) Turley: Not the magic paint, not the stuff that makes planes disappear..[My note: From radar?] Paint.. Like in your house. Stahl: What was the answer? Turley: "American lives would be put in danger if we answer that question." Stahl: No... Turley: Yeah...
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
There is no known issue with the buckeroo.
We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. - Aesop
No. You are referring to "stealth capabilities" not IFF radar detection. Stealth technology (beyond the physical design of the craft) doesn't release plumes of observable mammoth contrails which is all about the 10 minute observation of some MSM trafficwatcher in a helicopter looking into the sunset.
That's what I meant by "magic paint". An ordinary aircraft going to Phoenix would probably not have stealth/radar invisibility capabilities, yes?
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Well, there is one that gets everyone's dander up ... I like to imbibe a bit of whiskey from time to time. Why folks don't like it, I don't know. Redbreast adds to my overall clarity of mind by permitting a bit of heightened awareness about the world. I think I will have another drink right now, so thank you and I toast to your post.
Of course. And no observable contrail plumes.
You are referring to "stealth capabilities" not IFF radar detection. Stealth technology (beyond the physical design of the craft) doesn't release plumes of observable mammoth contrails which is all about the 10 minute observation of some MSM trafficwatcher in a helicopter looking into the sunset. Suppose the objective was for the flying object to be unidentified but the plume was intended to be seen as a deliberate signal that something was there.
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
And denied by the US government bureaucracies on all levels, too. Well, by golly, Madsen might be on to something. A Chinese nuclear submarine class Xia-class SSBN lauched an ICBM right off the coast of California! Run for your life! Although, I might add.... it might be a bit late.
just what I expected a jew lover to post.
ROTFL ... Oh what a fuckwad Madsen is... a complete shell of lies, bullshit and excessive self aggrandizement. How can anyone believe Madsen for or about anything? "His intelligence sources in Asia, including Japan" ... why doesn't he produce those same sources unless he is making this crap up? I wager Madsen has some illegal alien cleaning his 2010 Mercedes-Benz that was speaking in tongues!
Believe???? Buck it is a point of view. Nothing more. People here are astute enough to consider all views.
Run for your life! Although, I might add.... it might be a bit late. I haven't ruled out yet that it might have been one of those waterspout tornado phenomena: The thing with that theory, though, is that something was being discussed about a mystery launch in the Phoenix, AZ area around the same time where it's drier: MYSTERY MISSILE LAUNCH IN PHOENIX AZ Same As California Launch? Nov 5th Video! Here's an interesting comment at the YouTube site: "Well, if both are missile launches the missiles had to go somewhere. Where are they ?" My questions are: Didn't the KCBS News helicopter pilot/crew get any close up film of the object off the California coast? Maybe they did and it's been classified for some reason? I haven't seen anything about that, anyway. Is there at least a statement or interview of the helicopter pilot/crew that I've missed somehow? Odd if they're under a gag order or something. IHNN News Update: Mysterious Missile Launched in Southern California and Phoenix
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
No it isn't.. Madsen lied. Madsen clearly stated that his intelligence sources ... masquerading as though he has capability to fuck everyone on a halloween trick/treat night based upon his own speculation. Madsen is again, a liar. He is far from worthy of reading, much less commenting about. Your and my technical discussion on this same thread was greater by magnitudes of order than the initial post reading, Cynicom. At least you have gumption. Man, you are far more capable than some of these half-assed twits believing anything they find on the Internet.
Buck - What evidence do you have to say that WM is a liar? What intel has he ever given that has not been proven to be the truth?
Oh... just Great! From having a nuclear powered Chinese submarine off the coast of California by a derelict non-technical author or hyper-bullshit and claptrap ...... to NORAD is shutdown because the USA has ICBMs flying off to all points around the globe. I think this is just awesome. What can we do? I am not running, though. I am not hiding. I am pulling out another whiskey bottle to celebrate these rumours ... it doesn't get better than this on a Friday night!
You of all people take such seriously? You have your view or take, I guess we should figure you are lying as a government shill. Thats it, you are lying, shilling for the government. I knew it. End of consideration. See how ridiculous that is??? No, guess you wont and will deny being a shill. hehehehe
Here's my longshot Jetman theory: Swiss Jet-Man Flies Aerial Loop - cbsnews.com
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
That man has skill, talent and guts.
Oh .. Wayne Madsen is akin to Wikileaks,founder Julian Assange 'eh? ROTFL. Madsen is a continuous liar having no more credibility than those that report about Batboy in the Weekly World News; he is another BULLSHITTER akin to the coveted Joesph Farar of [World Net Daily] and his butt buddies.
I think this is just awesome. What can we do? I am not running, though. I am not hiding. I am pulling out another whiskey bottle to celebrate these rumours ... it doesn't get better than this on a Friday night! What do ya think of my Jetman Theory?
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Buck - What evidence do you have to say that WM is a liar? What intel has he ever given that has not been proven to be the truth? ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ If you've got anything, please bring it now.
No large contrail plume. The phenomena by the inept reporters or speculators of and about a "mystery missile" is totally about de plane! de plane!... quote, borrowed from Fantasy Island TV history..
Time for Ignore on this increasingly inane thread.
I sent a note to Christine, asked her if she would pay me ten cents a post on that insane thread, inane too, she said no and told me to buzz off. I could have used the loot.
I am actually amazed that this evening you haven't stirred the pot with speculation that the "chemtrail" (hehehehe) wasn't loaded with some insidious method by the US government to murder Americans.... OR that some space alien was just emulating American technology for the fun of it.... ready to ploy another deep, dark inscription into a cropcircle for further evaluation.
Yes he does. The Intel Hub video mentioned a private rocketeer around the 1:30 mark as a possibility. I'm thinking that buckeroo won't need any whiskey for that one. :)
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Stop raining on buckie's parade. In Buckyworld® there's always room for more whiskey. Even his favorite flavor of Jello™ is 12 Years Old.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
So we're looping back to de plane!...de plane! theory -- with stealth/radar invisibility capability that likely wasn't an ordinary aircraft or cleared with the FAA as a Pentagon test and is strangely still unconfirmed as such by those sources, yes? I really thought you'd prefer the Jetman Theory, buckeroo. I suspect you'll be having some more whiskey as you try to come up with an explanation for the FAA's undetection and unawareness and the Pentagon's unclarity about it.
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Well... it wasn't a bird... ....... and it wasn't superman, was it?
I don't know what came over me. It was like a Whiskey Rebellion thing or something. Not that I have anything against whiskey drinking within reason. I've embibed it myself on occasion. Different brands, though, than the one he mentioned.
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Bucky owes much of his fine writing ability to two Scotsmen - Haig & Haig. Although it occasionally interferes with his coherence. And I must admit to, upon occasion, imbibing a wee bit of the Usigbethea meself. Tis one of the joys of life and wonders of Scots ingenuity.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Ok, now we're in agreement and narrowing down the possibilities. Stamp Act artifact. I don't think that one's from Britain but I could be wrong.
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Whew ... I am glad. For awhile there I didn't think you remembered the Superman prelude and anthem.... from the 1950's Look up in the sky! It's a bird.... No ... it's a plane! ... No, its superman!
And I must admit to, upon occasion, imbibing a wee bit of the Usigbethea meself. Tis one of the joys of life and wonders of Scots ingenuity. Cutty Sark Scotch was the brand I'd pick when I could afford to be extravagant. Usually I wasn't too picky, though.
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Trying to get me to say how old I am, are ya? Well, now you know that I do remember the Superman show. Could have been from syndication long after it went off the air though.
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Well, trust me on the following matter... it wasn't a bird or .... ..... superman; much less a rocket. It was just a passenger jet aircraft on a routine flight from Hawaii to Arizona.
...with stealth/radar invisibility capability... What proof precentage is that whiskey you're drinking, buck? Sounds like it's in the range of moonshine to me.
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
It's a missile.
We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. - Aesop
I drink so little any more that I can be selective. Glenfiddich 12 Y.O. when I'm slumming it and Solera when I'm feeling like just settling down to enjoy it. Although I am fond of Cognac as well. Although some of the choicer Cognacs are out of my league - I'm not willing to spend a couple hundred or more per bottle. I'm fond of a good Port as well. Although I tend to stretch that out too. I have a bottle I opened over a year ago and still have about 1/3 of it left. I'll be sorry to see this one go as it was exceptional.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Harvey's Bristol Creme is out of my price range but I like that. I'm ok with off brands on the rare occasions that I buy such beverages. Bought some red wine recently because I figured it was a healthier choice but prefer white wines, low fizz varieties. Coffee is what I usually drink and, when I can find it, I like to use banana nut cappacino as part of the creamer addition. Cuts down on the cappacino calories that way too, rather than not mixing it with more coffee.
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
The uninvited guest: Chinese sub pops up in middle of U.S. Navy exercises By MATTHEW HICKLEY Last updated at 00:13 10 November 2007 When the U.S. Navy deploys a battle fleet on exercises, it takes the security of its aircraft carriers very seriously indeed. At least a dozen warships provide a physical guard while the technical wizardry of the world's only military superpower offers an invisible shield to detect and deter any intruders. That is the theory. Or, rather, was the theory. Uninvited guest: A Chinese Song Class submarine, like the one that sufaced by the U.S.S. Kitty Hawk American military chiefs have been left dumbstruck by an undetected Chinese submarine popping up at the heart of a recent Pacific exercise and close to the vast U.S.S. Kitty Hawk - a 1,000ft supercarrier with 4,500 personnel on board. By the time it surfaced the 160ft Song Class diesel-electric attack submarine is understood to have sailed within viable range for launching torpedoes or missiles at the carrier. According to senior Nato officials the incident caused consternation in the U.S. Navy. The Americans had no idea China's fast-growing submarine fleet had reached such a level of sophistication, or that it posed such a threat. One Nato figure said the effect was "as big a shock as the Russians launching Sputnik" - a reference to the Soviet Union's first orbiting satellite in 1957 which marked the start of the space age. The incident, which took place in the ocean between southern Japan and Taiwan, is a major embarrassment for the Pentagon. Battle stations: The Kitty Hawk carries 4,500 personnel The lone Chinese vessel slipped past at least a dozen other American warships which were supposed to protect the carrier from hostile aircraft or submarines. And the rest of the costly defensive screen, which usually includes at least two U.S. submarines, was also apparently unable to detect it. According to the Nato source, the encounter has forced a serious re-think of American and Nato naval strategy as commanders reconsider the level of threat from potentially hostile Chinese submarines. It also led to tense diplomatic exchanges, with shaken American diplomats demanding to know why the submarine was "shadowing" the U.S. fleet while Beijing pleaded ignorance and dismissed the affair as coincidence. Analysts believe Beijing was sending a message to America and the West demonstrating its rapidly-growing military capability to threaten foreign powers which try to interfere in its "backyard". The People's Liberation Army Navy's submarine fleet includes at least two nuclear-missile launching vessels. Its 13 Song Class submarines are extremely quiet and difficult to detect when running on electric motors. Commodore Stephen Saunders, editor of Jane's Fighting Ships, and a former Royal Navy anti-submarine specialist, said the U.S. had paid relatively little attention to this form of warfare since the end of the Cold War. He said: "It was certainly a wake-up call for the Americans. "It would tie in with what we see the Chinese trying to do, which appears to be to deter the Americans from interfering or operating in their backyard, particularly in relation to Taiwan." In January China carried a successful missile test, shooting down a satellite in orbit for the first time
And the rest of the costly defensive screen, which usually includes at least two U.S. submarines, was also apparently unable to detect it. Since it's not like our Navy could attack a Chinese sub during an exercise without a big problem over it politically afterwards, I think there's a slim chance that our Navy might have detected it but acted surprised because they didn't want the Chinese to maneuver us into making a public statement about our technology. Maybe the same sort of "cat and mouse" type thing with the California coast event, if it was a missle launch by China.
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
WOW! Let's read further and see if he backs it up. **The reported Chinese missile test off Los Angeles came as a double blow to Obama.** "Reported"? Well, yes, he's the one reporting it. **WMR has learned that the missile was likely a JL-2 ICBM, which has a range of 7,000 miles, and was fired in a northwesterly direction over the Pacific and away from U.S. territory from a Jin class submarine. The Jin class can carry up to twelve such missiles. ** You learned it from ________________??? That is some specific information there. I'm surprised that you didn't come up with the captains name. ** Navy sources have revealed that the missile may have impacted on Chinese territory and that the National Security Agency (NSA) likely posseses intercepts of Chinese telemtry signals during the missile firing and subsequent testing operations. ** "Likely"? "Navy sources"? "may have"? Hmmm. Better run to the hills, run for your life! (An Iron Maiden reference. www.youtube.com/watch?v=7viY-K4Twlg ) ** Likely route of Jin-class submarine from Hainan base. ** Yes, I can see how it's "likely". What happened to your great intel sources? Surely they know the route. ** For the U.S. Navy, the Chinese show of force is a huge embarassment, especially for the Navy’s Pacific Command in Pearl Harbor, where Japan’s December 7, 1941 attack on the fleet at Pearl Harbor remains a sore subject. ** So it was a definite "Chinese show of force" now??? Up above, you said "The reported Chinese missile test", which you reported. How convenient. **In 2002, national security adviser Condoleezza Rice reportedly scolded visiting Chinese General Xiong Guankai,** Was it you that reported it??? I bet it was. But the article was on infowhores. That means it's 100% true. Those that disagree are government "shills" or "agents". . .
#2. To: randge (#0)
#3. To: Lod (#1)
#4. To: Cynicom (#3)
#5. To: randge (#0)
USS Kitty Hawk
#6. To: Turtle (#2)
#7. To: buckeroo (#5)
#8. To: buckeroo, randge (#5)
Oh, this is ripe for gutting. I shall be happy to do so after a few more posts to your silly thread.
#9. To: randge, All (#7)
#10. To: randge (#7)
The Navy NEVER lies.
#11. To: Turtle (#2)
The best evidence is that is was an American drone.
#12. To: randge, Turdle, Turtle (#6)
When you have "best evidence" in support of a proposition, it always helps if you present it.
#13. To: Cynicom (#10)
The Navy NEVER lies.
#14. To: Original_Intent, turtle (#11)
#15. To: randge (#7)
The Navy NEVER lies.
#16. To: Original_Intent (#13)
I believe it was the Missouri
#17. To: Cynicom, randge (#8)
By whom?
#18. To: buckeroo, randge, all (#15)
Well, the FAA has large range radar in Los Angeles,CA (LAX), Orange County, Ontario besides many other southern California , too. Nothing reported other than usual planned sky traffic. Nice try, pal... but no cigar.
#19. To: Original_Intent (#12)
#20. To: buckeroo (#15)
#21. To: Cynicom (#18)
As ex FAA, that is BS from your own mind buck.
I watched the missile for ten minutes.
“The FAA ran radar replays of a large area west of Los Angeles based on media reports of the location of a possible missile launch around 5pm Monday. The radar replayed did not reveal any fast moving unidentified targets in that area. The FAA also did not receive reports of any unusual sightings from pilots who were flying in the area Monday afternoon. Finally the FAA did not approve any commercial space launches around the area Monday.”
#22. To: buckeroo (#21)
I watched the missile for ten minutes.
#23. To: randge (#19)
"It’s a solid propellant missile," he told the Times. "You can tell from the efflux [smoke]."
#24. To: buckeroo, randge, all (#21)
As ex FAA, that is BS from your own mind buck.
#25. To: randge, 4 (#22)
one more time -
#26. To: randge (#22)
Take a break, buck. Pour yourself a bourbon.
Key hints this was an airliner:
2. Trail is lighter on the bottom, not near the top like a launch trail
3. The "glint" or flame is not present at the horizon but is when the sun hits the plane ...windows at the right angle. The glinting are the plane windows being hit one by one as the sun crosses them, similar to a house on the hill at sunset (The windows)
4. The upper level moisture in the atmosphere supported contrail development.
5. The upper atmosphere was cold enough to rapidly form large ice crystals to make the trail seem "Thicker" than usually.
6. The airliner on the video stopped the vapor trail at one point and looking at the upper air maps the plane was coming downward from 30,000 feet, to drier air below it thus ending the contrail development.
7. It may look like it is "rising up" but an object coming at you and higher than you would certainly look like it is rising out of the horizon, hence what satellites look like when they "rise" out of the horizon, you know ... like the space station? Optical illusions get the best of everyone.
#27. To: Cynicom (#24)
In that vein, when they announce officially WHO THE AIRCRAFT WAS, that will end the speculation. Not until.
#28. To: Lod (#25)
Unless .mil admits that the Chinese have snookered us yet again.
#29. To: buckeroo (#27)
I love ya Cynicom, but the contrail observed was from US Airways Flight 808 from Honolulu to Phoenix.
#30. To: Cynicom (#28)
#31. To: Cynicom (#29)
#32. To: buckeroo (#21)
Isn't that statement ludicrus? A missile in the sky for ten minutes? Missiles travel at super sonic speeds perhaps as fast as Mach5. Go figure.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#33. To: Lod (#30)
#34. To: buckeroo (#31)
The FAA site doesn't have "official" statements based on some helicopter pilot's observation. So, I guess you can believe that the Chinese are coming.
#35. To: Cynicom, 4 (#33)
They determined a piece of paper meant nothing.
#36. To: Cynicom (#34)
If it was an aircraft, the FAA has the ability to identify it and dispel any doubt.
The FAA, which operates the nationwide radar system used for civilian air travel, said that it had not been able to determine the location, altitude or trajectory of the contrail. “Without knowing that information, we can’t pinpoint a source,” spokesman Ian Gregor said. “We can’t say where the contrail came from.”
#37. To: buckeroo (#36)
FACTS REPRESENTATIONS.
#38. To: buckeroo, randge, all (#36)
The FAA, which operates the nationwide radar system used for civilian air travel, said that it had not been able to determine the location, altitude or trajectory of the contrail. “Without knowing that information, we can’t pinpoint a source,” spokesman Ian Gregor said. “We can’t say where the contrail came from.”
#39. To: Cynicom (#34)
The seed of doubt was sown by the government, not by the chopper pilot.
#40. To: buckeroo (#39)
I understand your point still it is not a conclusion about the cause being some Chinese missile as in the article of this thread..... that sort of stuff by Madsen is why he gets ratings... BS.
#41. To: Cynicom (#40)
Either way buck, the government/military will indeed use it to sway a new Congress.
#42. To: Cynicom (#40)
#43. To: buckeroo (#41)
#44. To: buckeroo (#42)
#45. To: Cynicom (#43)
We all fly the required speed without exceptions, that is the only way separation can be maintained. With coastal radar, there is no deviation as the speed is known.
#46. To: buckeroo (#45)
Nice try Cyni. I guess you don't know about IFF radar.
#47. To: Cynicom (#46)
#48. To: buckeroo (#45)
#49. To: buckeroo (#47)
#50. To: All (#49)
#51. To: Cynicom (#48)
We use to fly up and down the west coast jamming radars for a living. Practicing for Russian and Chinese.
#52. To: buckeroo, All (#49)
#53. To: buckeroo (#51)
with today's elimination of AWACs.
#54. To: Cynicom, randge (#53)
#55. To: buckeroo (#54)
Madsen about some Chinese missile BS.
#56. To: Cynicom (#55)
Highly possible. Probable????
Only the military would know for sure.
#57. To: buckeroo (#56)
The military has no need to hide anything
#58. To: Cynicom (#57)
If it was one of theirs by accident, I suspect they would hide.
#59. To: buckeroo (#26)
This happens to my Redbreast Happy Hour, if you don't mind.
#60. To: LACUMO (#59)
Pretty soon you won't have a friend on the internet
Goldie likes people she can control and you fit the kind she likes. Rather than staying over here and alienating the posters here, why don't you skedaddle on over and break bread with goldi. She would love to have you on board.
#61. To: LACUMO (#59)
how you constantly stunk up the site
#62. To: buckeroo (#58)
There is no known issue with the US defense system.
#63. To: Cynicom (#3)
Where are the swamp gas,Venus and balloon guys when you need them????
#64. To: randge (#62)
Smoke dope much? [err: read and post Madsen?]
#65. To: buckeroo (#64)
There is no known issue with the US defense system.
#66. To: randge (#65)
The military has no need to hide anything other than obvious budgets and direct massacres on innocent people.
#67. To: GreyLmist (#63)
#68. To: buckeroo, All (#45)
(Edited)
IFF radar. It is a method of identifying aircraft within the US and ally nations for Identification of Friend or Foe. Without this method of signaling this encrypted signature, aircraft (UFOs, enemy missiles, Tinkerbell, etc.) are not recognized and are considered hostile.
#69. To: buckeroo (#66)
#70. To: GreyLmist (#68)
Couldn't "magic paint" [ref: bolded and underlined text + note in blue below] be why whatever it was apparently wasn't detected?
#71. To: buckeroo (#51)
stealth capabilities (radar invisible)
#72. To: randge (#69)
There is no known issue with the buckeroo.
#73. To: GreyLmist (#71)
That's what I meant by "magic paint". An ordinary aircraft going to Phoenix would probably not have stealth/radar invisibility capabilities, yes?
#74. To: buckeroo (#70)
Couldn't "magic paint" [ref: bolded and underlined text + note in blue below] be why whatever it was apparently wasn't detected? No.
#75. To: GreyLmist (#74)
Suppose the objective was for the flying object to be unidentified but the plume was intended to be seen as a deliberate signal that something was there.
#76. To: Disgusted (#61)
#77. To: randge (#0)
WMR’s intelligence sources in Asia, including Japan, say the belief by the military commands in Asia and the intelligence services is that the Chinese decided to demonstrate to the United States its capabilities on the eve of the G-20 Summit in Seoul and the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation summit in Tokyo, where President Obama is scheduled to attend during his ten-day trip to Asia.
#78. To: buckeroo (#77)
ROTFL ... Oh what a fuckwad Madsen is... a complete shell of lies, bullshit and excessive self aggrandizement.
#79. To: buckeroo (#75)
(Edited)
denied by the US government bureaucracies on all levels, too. Well, by golly, Madsen might be on to something. A Chinese nuclear submarine class Xia-class SSBN lauched an ICBM right off the coast of California!
http://www.youtube.com/watch? v=PWbMieG2WkE
http://www.youtube.com/watch? v=bB3ZNpLDSLs
#80. To: Cynicom (#78)
Buck it is a point of view. Nothing more.
#81. To: buckeroo (#80)
#82. To: GreyLmist (#79)
#83. To: buckeroo (#80)
No it isn't.. Madsen lied.
#84. To: Cynicom (#78)
People here are astute enough to consider all views.
http://www.flixxy.com/jet-man-flying-aerial-loop.htm
#85. To: GreyLmist (#84)
#86. To: Lod (#81)
(Edited)
China flexed its military muscle Monday evening in the skies west of Los Angeles when a Chinese Navy Jin class ballistic missile nuclear submarine, deployed secretly from its underground home base on the south coast of Hainan island, launched an intercontinental ballistic missile from international waters off the southern California coast. WMR’s intelligence sources in Asia, including Japan, say the belief by the military commands in Asia and the intelligence services is that the Chinese decided to demonstrate to the United States its capabilities on the eve of the G-20 Summit in Seoul and the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation summit in Tokyo, where President Obama is scheduled to attend during his ten-day trip to Asia.
#87. To: buckeroo (#82)
Oh... just Great! From having a nuclear powered Chinese submarine off the coast of California by a derelict non-technical author or hyper-bullshit and claptrap ...... to NORAD is shutdown because the USA has ICBMs flying off to all points around the globe.
#88. To: buckeroo, Lod, all (#86)
Attaboy Buck! You tell him!
#89. To: buckeroo (#86)
one last time -
#90. To: GreyLmist (#87)
#91. To: All (#89)
#92. To: Lod (#91)
Time for Ignore on this increasingly inane thread.
#93. To: Original_Intent (#88)
Attaboy Buck! You tell him!
#94. To: Cynicom (#85)
That man has skill, talent and guts.
#95. To: GreyLmist, Buckmonster Fullofit, buckeroo, Cynicom (#94)
I'm thinking that buckeroo won't need any whiskey for that one. :)
#96. To: buckeroo (#90)
No large contrail plume. The phenomena by the inept reporters or speculators of and about a "mystery missile" is totally about de plane! de plane!... quote, borrowed from Fantasy Island TV history..
#97. To: GreyLmist (#96)
So we're looping back to de plane!...de plane! theory -- with stealth/radar invisibility capability that likely wasn't an ordinary aircraft or cleared with the FAA as a Pentagon test and is strangely still unconfirmed as such by those sources, yes?
#98. To: Original_Intent (#95)
Stop raining on buckie's parade. In Buckyworld® there's always room for more whiskey.
#99. To: GreyLmist (#98)
#100. To: buckeroo (#97)
Well... it wasn't a bird... ....... and it wasn't superman, was it?
#101. To: GreyLmist (#100)
Ok, now we're in agreement and narrowing down the possibilities.
#102. To: Original_Intent (#99)
Bucky owes much of his fine writing ability to two Scotsmen - Haig & Haig. Although it occasionally interferes with his coherence.
#103. To: buckeroo (#101)
Whew ... I am glad. For awhile there I didn't think you remembered the Superman prelude and anthem.... from the 1950's Look up in the sky! It's a bird.... No ... it's a plane! ... No, its superman!
#104. To: GreyLmist (#103)
#105. To: buckeroo (#104)
Well, trust me on the following matter... it wasn't a bird or .... ..... superman; much less a rocket. It was just a passenger jet aircraft on a routine flight from Hawaii to Arizona.
#106. To: buckeroo (#104)
#107. To: GreyLmist (#102)
#108. To: Original_Intent (#107)
(Edited)
#109. To: randge (#0)
(Edited)
a Chinese submarine that surfaced within weapons range of the USS Kitty Hawk task force several years ago.
#110. To: Tatarewicz (#109)
The lone Chinese vessel slipped past at least a dozen other American warships which were supposed to protect the carrier from hostile aircraft or submarines.
#111. To: randge, WTF is this crap?, all, *Black Ops - Psyops* (#0)
(Edited)
China flexed its military muscle Monday evening in the skies west of Los Angeles when a Chinese Navy Jin class ballistic missile nuclear submarine, deployed secretly from its underground home base on the south coast of Hainan island, launched an intercontinental ballistic missile from international waters off the southern California coast.
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#112. To: GreyLmist (#110)
In the cat and mouse game ,there are indeed few surprises, however now and again the military , DOES INDEED GET CAUGHT FLATFOOTED. If this was a Chinese adventure, I would have no problem in believing our military was not awake. It happens to the military of all countries.
I think there's a slim chance that our Navy might have detected it but acted surprised because they didn't want the Chinese to maneuver us into making a public statement about our technology. Maybe the same sort of "cat and mouse" type thing with the California coast event, if it was a missle launch by China.
#113. To: PSUSA (#111)
You raise some legitimate reporting and journalistic question with regard to Madsen's report. I can't endorse everything that's in Madsen's story because there's just too much in it that is unattributed and not directly sourced. Nevertheless, the story is interesting because it is written by a journalist who is not entirely lacking in expertise in the area that he's writing about, which is so often the case in journalism. Also because I have pretty made up my own mind about the object that we see in this week's video and that what I see is a missile, I'm am casting around for explanations that would tell me why a large booster takes off a few miles off our West Coast, and it takes days for the Pentagram and the rest of the Federal apparatus to get it's story straight. China is not shy of using its muscle on us. They will force our planes down on their territory, and invade our naval exercises. China has strategic objectives that conflict with ours, and they will unceasingly attempt to put us off balance. I wouldn't put it past them to steal a march on us and send us a message in such an embarrassing manner that even the recipient conspires to keep it quiet. It's an interesting hypothesis. We know that our government lies when the truth would sound better, and it only has itself to blame when wild and hairy stories sprout wings in the absence of a coherent narrative out of DC. It's also interesting to post unconventional propositions here because it raises hackles in certain quarters. Cheers.
We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. - Aesop
#114. To: randge (#113)
Ugly olde history again... Japanese subs shelled the US west coast early in WW2...Denied denied denied, it was all nonsense. The Navy was on guard. Until after the war, it was admitted. German subs were active inshore in Eastern US...Denied denied denied until the bodies started washing ashore. Admitted but nothing to be alarmed about. Navy was on guard. After the war, photos taken by German subs in NY harbor were published. OUR GOVERNMENT HAD LIED TO US. shame, shame.
China is not shy of using its muscle on us.
#115. To: randge (#113)
Good post. China has played some games with us in the past. We played games with them too. One that comes to mind was in bombing their embassy in Kosovo. I suppose that too was an act of war, since the embassy is technically Chinese territory. I do not like people that constantly shout "wolf" though. And AJ is real good at using others to shout wolf for him when he doesn't feel like doing it himself. Stories like the OP use words and phrases that intentionally allow plausible deniability. That is a pet peeve of mine. Writers like this should either make the assertion and prove it, by using real proof, or STFU. I don't know what caused this "missile". Neither do I appreciate speculation that is disguised as fact. Perhaps our .gov doesn't know what happened either. They are not all-knowing like some people like to think that they are. .
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#116. To: PSUSA, Cynicom (#115)
A phrase that pops up on the radar screen from time to time these days. It's not a cold war, and it's not a hot war, it's a war on a low simmer right now.
an act of war
We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. - Aesop
#117. To: randge (#116)
Yep. And it doesn't have to go hot either, imo. China could destroy us economically without firing a shot. That may not be necessarily a Bad Thing. Our empire, "The System", deserves to be destroyed, and we can still rebuild. And blowback to China would be minimal. A little disruption in their economy is a small price to pay for victory. We turned the industries in Japan and Germany into big piles or rubble. They were forced to rebuild those old factories and make modern ones. That was a silver lining to the dark cloud, for them. And even then, I remember how when I was a kid in the 60's and 70's, having a "made in Japan" sticker on a product meant that it was junk, and was a joke. They don't make junk anymore. We can do better than they did. Our industries took longer to destroy. But the end result is the same as if they had been bombed into oblivion. We can rebuild, but not until the corrupt system is destroyed first. But, in reading thru this before I hit the post button, I realize our "leadership" isn't likely to just do nothing. That's kind of a scary thought. Maybe it all depends on how quickly the crash hits. It's best to not give our leaders too much time to act (or react). .
It's not a cold war, and it's not a hot war, it's a war on a low simmer right now.
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#118. To: Cynicom (#112) (Edited)
Comment at defensetech.org: "it is not that hard to damage and possible sink a carrier, the problem is when its eleven brothers show up, pissed off....." Why? Because environmentalists have been pushing for our Navy to quit disturbing whales and whatnot in the oceans with its sonar?
In the cat and mouse game ,there are indeed few surprises, however now and again the military , DOES INDEED GET CAUGHT FLATFOOTED.
If this was a Chinese adventure, I would have no problem in believing our military was not awake.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#119. To: GreyLmist (#118)
If not already, some day when you have extra ten minutes, google for Capt. Hal Austin and his adventure over Russia. That is just one of many times, the military acting WITHOUT government sanction.
Why? Because environmentalists have been pushing for our Navy to quit disturbing whales and whatnot in the oceans with its sonar?
#120. To: randge (#0)
Hell, I called this the day it happened and I'm ex Navy.
The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.
#121. To: Cynicom (#119) (Edited)
Bravo for Capt. Rigley who acted without ATC sanction. From RB- 47: After flying for an hour over the Soviet Union at 40,000ft Austin was intercepted by new Mig 17 fighters which proceeded to open fire on the Stratojet, damaging the wing and fuselage. After a high altitude running battle, Col Austin and his crew crossed in to Finnish airspace and escaped their pursuers. However, their tanker had given up on them and returned to base. Austin's aircraft was damaged and very short of fuel. As they coasted out over Norway, he climbed to 43,000ft and set the most economical cruise speed. 150 nautical miles from England it looked like they would not make it and all their efforts would come to nothing with the loss of their invaluable film. Austin tried to contact the alert tanker at Brize Norton but the radio was damaged and only a broken message was heard by Jim Rigley, the captain of the waiting KC-97G. Rigley recognised Austin's voice and guessed he needed help. However, Brize ATC had an emergency in progress and refused Rigley permission to take off. Rigley tookoff anyway and met Austin's RB-47 as it descended towards Brize. He turned in front of the Stratojet and with Austin's gauges reading zero, he pumped in 12,000lb of fuel. Austin was able to land at Fairford where his Top Secret film was whisked away. Rigley faced a Court Martial back at Brize Norton but SAC Commander, General Curtis LeMay personally quashed the charges. The details of this mission remained classified until 1995 but it gives some idea of how SAC's Cold War warriors operated.
If not already, some day when you have extra ten minutes, google for Capt. Hal Austin and his adventure over Russia. That is just one of many times, the military acting WITHOUT government sanction.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#122. To: Brian D (#120)
All observers with a pair of eyeballs and an unbiased mind called this the moment they saw it. It's more than a little disturbing that we get nothing from DOD. Here is where CBS puts the origin of the flight. http://closingvelocity.typepad.com/closing_velocity/2010/11/video-mystery-missile-launched-off-california-near-los-angeles.htmlHell, I called this the day it happened and I'm ex Navy.
"The Missile Defense Agency told Fox News it did not launch any test missile Monday night that could explain the dramatic images. The Navy and the Air Force were also unable to offer an explanation."
We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. - Aesop
#123. To: randge (#122)
and now you have all these reports of 'fireballs' across the skies, lot of em in england a few days ago. wondering if those aren't chink satellites getting flamed by our space ops guys.
Thou hast power only to act not over the result thereof. Act thou therefore without prospect of the result and without succcumbing to inaction. The mind acts like an enemy for those who do not control it...Perform your obligatory duty, because action is indeed better than inaction...Sever the ignorant doubt in your heart with the sword of self-knowledge. Observe your discipline. Arise.
The Bhagavad Gita
#124. To: GreyLmist (#121)
Grey... At that time Austin was a grunt officer, low man on the totem pole, like the grunts on the ground they get all the dirty dangerous jobs. There is another if I can find it, a B-47 that did a like visit over Russia that had three targets to film. Due some problem, they missed one, they turned around went back and made a second run and got all three. All got medals. Some were not so lucky, several over the years were shot down. The military then wrote them off with the stroke of a pen, lost over the ocean on a ROUTINE training flight.
After flying for an hour over the Soviet Union at 40,000ft Austin was intercepted by new Mig 17 fighters
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