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Title: Wayne Madsen: China Fired Missile Seen In Southern California
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URL Source: http://www.infowars.com/wayne-madse ... e-seen-in-southern-california/
Published: Nov 12, 2010
Author: Wayne Madsen
Post Date: 2010-11-12 15:00:35 by randge
Keywords: Missile launch, Southern California, Madsen, China
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Wayne Madsen: China Fired Missile Seen In Southern California Wayne Madsen Report Pentagon and its embedded media covering up Chinese show of force off LA China flexed its military muscle Monday evening in the skies west of Los Angeles when a Chinese Navy Jin class ballistic missile nuclear submarine, deployed secretly from its underground home base on the south coast of Hainan island, launched an intercontinental ballistic missile from international waters off the southern California coast. WMR’s intelligence sources in Asia, including Japan, say the belief by the military commands in Asia and the intelligence services is that the Chinese decided to demonstrate to the United States its capabilities on the eve of the G-20 Summit in Seoul and the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation summit in Tokyo, where President Obama is scheduled to attend during his ten-day trip to Asia. The reported Chinese missile test off Los Angeles came as a double blow to Obama. The day after the missile firing, China’s leading credit rating agency, Dagong Global Credit Rating, downgraded sovereign debt rating of the United States to A-plus from AA. The missile demonstration coupled with the downgrading of the United States financial grade represents a military and financial show of force by Beijing to Washington. The Pentagon spin machine, backed by the media reporters who regularly cover the Defense Department, as well as officials of the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD), and the U.S. Northern Command, is now spinning various conspiracy theories, including describing the missile plume videotaped by KCBS news helicopter cameraman Gil Leyvas at around 5:00 pm Pacific Standard Time, during the height of evening rush hour, as the condensation trail from a jet aircraft. Other Pentagon-inspired cover stories are that the missile was actually an amateur rocket or an optical illusion. Experts agree that this was a ballistic missile being fired off of Los Angeles. Pentagon insists it was a jet aircraft or model rocket. There are no records of a plane in the area having taken off from Los Angeles International Airport or from other airports in the region. The Navy and Air Force have said that they were not conducting any missile tests from submarines, ships, or Vandenberg Air Force Base. The Navy has also ruled out an accidental firing from one of its own submarines. Missile experts, including those from Jane’s in London, say the plume was definitely from a missile, possibly launched from a submarine. WMR has learned that the missile was likely a JL-2 ICBM, which has a range of 7,000 miles, and was fired in a northwesterly direction over the Pacific and away from U.S. territory from a Jin class submarine. The Jin class can carry up to twelve such missiles. Navy sources have revealed that the missile may have impacted on Chinese territory and that the National Security Agency (NSA) likely posseses intercepts of Chinese telemtry signals during the missile firing and subsequent testing operations. Japanese and other Asian intelligence agencies believe that a Chinese Jin-class SSBN submarine conducted missile “show of force” in skies west of Los Angeles. Asian intelligence sources believe the submarine transited from its base on Hainan through South Pacific waters, where U.S. anti-submarine warfare detection capabilities are not as effective as they are in the northern and mid-Pacific, and then transited north to waters off of Los Angeles. The Pentagon, which has spent billions on ballistic missile defense systems, a pet project of former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, is clearly embarrassed over the Chinese show of strength. Likely route of Jin-class submarine from Hainan base. The White House also wants to donwplay the missile story before Presidnet Obama meets with his Chinese counterpart in Seoul and Tokyo. According to Japanese intelligence sources, Beijing has been angry over United States and allied naval exercises in the South China and Yellow Seas, in what China considers its sphere of influence, and the missile firing within the view of people in Southern California was a demonstration that China’s navy can also play in waters off the American coast. For the U.S. Navy, the Chinese show of force is a huge embarassment, especially for the Navy’s Pacific Command in Pearl Harbor, where Japan’s December 7, 1941 attack on the fleet at Pearl Harbor remains a sore subject. Fresh food that lasts from eFoods Direct (Ad) In 2002, national security adviser Condoleezza Rice reportedly scolded visiting Chinese General Xiong Guankai, the deputy chief of staff for intelligence of the People’s Liberation Army, for remarks he allegedly made in 1995 that China would use nuclear weapons on Los Angeles. Xiong denied he made any such comments but the “spin” on the story helped convince Congress to sink billions of additional dollars into ballistic missile defense, sometimes referred to at “Star Wars II.” Poster Comment: Wayne Madsen is well known as an investigative reporter. Less well known is the fact that he trained at the Nay's Surface Warfare School. Madsen was assigned to anti-submarine acoustic sensing operationsa and was awarded a Navy Unit Commendation as part of the team that detected the first acoustic signature of a Soviet Alfa class submarine. Madsen says that our highly advertised anti-submarine capability has been hollowed out in recent years and that we currently have only five ASW vessels to cover all the world's oceans. He cites the Navy's admission of the failure to detect a Chinese submarine that surfaced within weapons range of the USS Kitty Hawk task force several years ago.
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#85. To: GreyLmist (#84)
That man has skill, talent and guts.
Oh .. Wayne Madsen is akin to Wikileaks,founder Julian Assange 'eh? ROTFL. Madsen is a continuous liar having no more credibility than those that report about Batboy in the Weekly World News; he is another BULLSHITTER akin to the coveted Joesph Farar of [World Net Daily] and his butt buddies.
I think this is just awesome. What can we do? I am not running, though. I am not hiding. I am pulling out another whiskey bottle to celebrate these rumours ... it doesn't get better than this on a Friday night! What do ya think of my Jetman Theory?
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Buck - What evidence do you have to say that WM is a liar? What intel has he ever given that has not been proven to be the truth? ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ If you've got anything, please bring it now.
No large contrail plume. The phenomena by the inept reporters or speculators of and about a "mystery missile" is totally about de plane! de plane!... quote, borrowed from Fantasy Island TV history..
Time for Ignore on this increasingly inane thread.
I sent a note to Christine, asked her if she would pay me ten cents a post on that insane thread, inane too, she said no and told me to buzz off. I could have used the loot.
I am actually amazed that this evening you haven't stirred the pot with speculation that the "chemtrail" (hehehehe) wasn't loaded with some insidious method by the US government to murder Americans.... OR that some space alien was just emulating American technology for the fun of it.... ready to ploy another deep, dark inscription into a cropcircle for further evaluation.
Yes he does. The Intel Hub video mentioned a private rocketeer around the 1:30 mark as a possibility. I'm thinking that buckeroo won't need any whiskey for that one. :)
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Stop raining on buckie's parade. In Buckyworld® there's always room for more whiskey. Even his favorite flavor of Jello™ is 12 Years Old.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
So we're looping back to de plane!...de plane! theory -- with stealth/radar invisibility capability that likely wasn't an ordinary aircraft or cleared with the FAA as a Pentagon test and is strangely still unconfirmed as such by those sources, yes? I really thought you'd prefer the Jetman Theory, buckeroo. I suspect you'll be having some more whiskey as you try to come up with an explanation for the FAA's undetection and unawareness and the Pentagon's unclarity about it.
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Well... it wasn't a bird... ....... and it wasn't superman, was it?
I don't know what came over me. It was like a Whiskey Rebellion thing or something. Not that I have anything against whiskey drinking within reason. I've embibed it myself on occasion. Different brands, though, than the one he mentioned.
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Bucky owes much of his fine writing ability to two Scotsmen - Haig & Haig. Although it occasionally interferes with his coherence. And I must admit to, upon occasion, imbibing a wee bit of the Usigbethea meself. Tis one of the joys of life and wonders of Scots ingenuity.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Ok, now we're in agreement and narrowing down the possibilities. Stamp Act artifact. I don't think that one's from Britain but I could be wrong.
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Whew ... I am glad. For awhile there I didn't think you remembered the Superman prelude and anthem.... from the 1950's Look up in the sky! It's a bird.... No ... it's a plane! ... No, its superman!
And I must admit to, upon occasion, imbibing a wee bit of the Usigbethea meself. Tis one of the joys of life and wonders of Scots ingenuity. Cutty Sark Scotch was the brand I'd pick when I could afford to be extravagant. Usually I wasn't too picky, though.
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Trying to get me to say how old I am, are ya? Well, now you know that I do remember the Superman show. Could have been from syndication long after it went off the air though.
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Well, trust me on the following matter... it wasn't a bird or .... ..... superman; much less a rocket. It was just a passenger jet aircraft on a routine flight from Hawaii to Arizona.
...with stealth/radar invisibility capability... What proof precentage is that whiskey you're drinking, buck? Sounds like it's in the range of moonshine to me.
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
It's a missile.
We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. - Aesop
I drink so little any more that I can be selective. Glenfiddich 12 Y.O. when I'm slumming it and Solera when I'm feeling like just settling down to enjoy it. Although I am fond of Cognac as well. Although some of the choicer Cognacs are out of my league - I'm not willing to spend a couple hundred or more per bottle. I'm fond of a good Port as well. Although I tend to stretch that out too. I have a bottle I opened over a year ago and still have about 1/3 of it left. I'll be sorry to see this one go as it was exceptional.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Harvey's Bristol Creme is out of my price range but I like that. I'm ok with off brands on the rare occasions that I buy such beverages. Bought some red wine recently because I figured it was a healthier choice but prefer white wines, low fizz varieties. Coffee is what I usually drink and, when I can find it, I like to use banana nut cappacino as part of the creamer addition. Cuts down on the cappacino calories that way too, rather than not mixing it with more coffee.
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
The uninvited guest: Chinese sub pops up in middle of U.S. Navy exercises By MATTHEW HICKLEY Last updated at 00:13 10 November 2007 When the U.S. Navy deploys a battle fleet on exercises, it takes the security of its aircraft carriers very seriously indeed. At least a dozen warships provide a physical guard while the technical wizardry of the world's only military superpower offers an invisible shield to detect and deter any intruders. That is the theory. Or, rather, was the theory. Uninvited guest: A Chinese Song Class submarine, like the one that sufaced by the U.S.S. Kitty Hawk American military chiefs have been left dumbstruck by an undetected Chinese submarine popping up at the heart of a recent Pacific exercise and close to the vast U.S.S. Kitty Hawk - a 1,000ft supercarrier with 4,500 personnel on board. By the time it surfaced the 160ft Song Class diesel-electric attack submarine is understood to have sailed within viable range for launching torpedoes or missiles at the carrier. According to senior Nato officials the incident caused consternation in the U.S. Navy. The Americans had no idea China's fast-growing submarine fleet had reached such a level of sophistication, or that it posed such a threat. One Nato figure said the effect was "as big a shock as the Russians launching Sputnik" - a reference to the Soviet Union's first orbiting satellite in 1957 which marked the start of the space age. The incident, which took place in the ocean between southern Japan and Taiwan, is a major embarrassment for the Pentagon. Battle stations: The Kitty Hawk carries 4,500 personnel The lone Chinese vessel slipped past at least a dozen other American warships which were supposed to protect the carrier from hostile aircraft or submarines. And the rest of the costly defensive screen, which usually includes at least two U.S. submarines, was also apparently unable to detect it. According to the Nato source, the encounter has forced a serious re-think of American and Nato naval strategy as commanders reconsider the level of threat from potentially hostile Chinese submarines. It also led to tense diplomatic exchanges, with shaken American diplomats demanding to know why the submarine was "shadowing" the U.S. fleet while Beijing pleaded ignorance and dismissed the affair as coincidence. Analysts believe Beijing was sending a message to America and the West demonstrating its rapidly-growing military capability to threaten foreign powers which try to interfere in its "backyard". The People's Liberation Army Navy's submarine fleet includes at least two nuclear-missile launching vessels. Its 13 Song Class submarines are extremely quiet and difficult to detect when running on electric motors. Commodore Stephen Saunders, editor of Jane's Fighting Ships, and a former Royal Navy anti-submarine specialist, said the U.S. had paid relatively little attention to this form of warfare since the end of the Cold War. He said: "It was certainly a wake-up call for the Americans. "It would tie in with what we see the Chinese trying to do, which appears to be to deter the Americans from interfering or operating in their backyard, particularly in relation to Taiwan." In January China carried a successful missile test, shooting down a satellite in orbit for the first time
And the rest of the costly defensive screen, which usually includes at least two U.S. submarines, was also apparently unable to detect it. Since it's not like our Navy could attack a Chinese sub during an exercise without a big problem over it politically afterwards, I think there's a slim chance that our Navy might have detected it but acted surprised because they didn't want the Chinese to maneuver us into making a public statement about our technology. Maybe the same sort of "cat and mouse" type thing with the California coast event, if it was a missle launch by China.
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
WOW! Let's read further and see if he backs it up. **The reported Chinese missile test off Los Angeles came as a double blow to Obama.** "Reported"? Well, yes, he's the one reporting it. **WMR has learned that the missile was likely a JL-2 ICBM, which has a range of 7,000 miles, and was fired in a northwesterly direction over the Pacific and away from U.S. territory from a Jin class submarine. The Jin class can carry up to twelve such missiles. ** You learned it from ________________??? That is some specific information there. I'm surprised that you didn't come up with the captains name. ** Navy sources have revealed that the missile may have impacted on Chinese territory and that the National Security Agency (NSA) likely posseses intercepts of Chinese telemtry signals during the missile firing and subsequent testing operations. ** "Likely"? "Navy sources"? "may have"? Hmmm. Better run to the hills, run for your life! (An Iron Maiden reference. www.youtube.com/watch?v=7viY-K4Twlg ) ** Likely route of Jin-class submarine from Hainan base. ** Yes, I can see how it's "likely". What happened to your great intel sources? Surely they know the route. ** For the U.S. Navy, the Chinese show of force is a huge embarassment, especially for the Navy’s Pacific Command in Pearl Harbor, where Japan’s December 7, 1941 attack on the fleet at Pearl Harbor remains a sore subject. ** So it was a definite "Chinese show of force" now??? Up above, you said "The reported Chinese missile test", which you reported. How convenient. **In 2002, national security adviser Condoleezza Rice reportedly scolded visiting Chinese General Xiong Guankai,** Was it you that reported it??? I bet it was. But the article was on infowhores. That means it's 100% true. Those that disagree are government "shills" or "agents". . .
#86. To: Lod (#81)
(Edited)
China flexed its military muscle Monday evening in the skies west of Los Angeles when a Chinese Navy Jin class ballistic missile nuclear submarine, deployed secretly from its underground home base on the south coast of Hainan island, launched an intercontinental ballistic missile from international waters off the southern California coast. WMR’s intelligence sources in Asia, including Japan, say the belief by the military commands in Asia and the intelligence services is that the Chinese decided to demonstrate to the United States its capabilities on the eve of the G-20 Summit in Seoul and the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation summit in Tokyo, where President Obama is scheduled to attend during his ten-day trip to Asia.
#87. To: buckeroo (#82)
Oh... just Great! From having a nuclear powered Chinese submarine off the coast of California by a derelict non-technical author or hyper-bullshit and claptrap ...... to NORAD is shutdown because the USA has ICBMs flying off to all points around the globe.
#88. To: buckeroo, Lod, all (#86)
Attaboy Buck! You tell him!
#89. To: buckeroo (#86)
one last time -
#90. To: GreyLmist (#87)
#91. To: All (#89)
#92. To: Lod (#91)
Time for Ignore on this increasingly inane thread.
#93. To: Original_Intent (#88)
Attaboy Buck! You tell him!
#94. To: Cynicom (#85)
That man has skill, talent and guts.
#95. To: GreyLmist, Buckmonster Fullofit, buckeroo, Cynicom (#94)
I'm thinking that buckeroo won't need any whiskey for that one. :)
#96. To: buckeroo (#90)
No large contrail plume. The phenomena by the inept reporters or speculators of and about a "mystery missile" is totally about de plane! de plane!... quote, borrowed from Fantasy Island TV history..
#97. To: GreyLmist (#96)
So we're looping back to de plane!...de plane! theory -- with stealth/radar invisibility capability that likely wasn't an ordinary aircraft or cleared with the FAA as a Pentagon test and is strangely still unconfirmed as such by those sources, yes?
#98. To: Original_Intent (#95)
Stop raining on buckie's parade. In Buckyworld® there's always room for more whiskey.
#99. To: GreyLmist (#98)
#100. To: buckeroo (#97)
Well... it wasn't a bird... ....... and it wasn't superman, was it?
#101. To: GreyLmist (#100)
Ok, now we're in agreement and narrowing down the possibilities.
#102. To: Original_Intent (#99)
Bucky owes much of his fine writing ability to two Scotsmen - Haig & Haig. Although it occasionally interferes with his coherence.
#103. To: buckeroo (#101)
Whew ... I am glad. For awhile there I didn't think you remembered the Superman prelude and anthem.... from the 1950's Look up in the sky! It's a bird.... No ... it's a plane! ... No, its superman!
#104. To: GreyLmist (#103)
#105. To: buckeroo (#104)
Well, trust me on the following matter... it wasn't a bird or .... ..... superman; much less a rocket. It was just a passenger jet aircraft on a routine flight from Hawaii to Arizona.
#106. To: buckeroo (#104)
#107. To: GreyLmist (#102)
#108. To: Original_Intent (#107)
(Edited)
#109. To: randge (#0)
(Edited)
a Chinese submarine that surfaced within weapons range of the USS Kitty Hawk task force several years ago.
#110. To: Tatarewicz (#109)
The lone Chinese vessel slipped past at least a dozen other American warships which were supposed to protect the carrier from hostile aircraft or submarines.
#111. To: randge, WTF is this crap?, all, *Black Ops - Psyops* (#0)
(Edited)
China flexed its military muscle Monday evening in the skies west of Los Angeles when a Chinese Navy Jin class ballistic missile nuclear submarine, deployed secretly from its underground home base on the south coast of Hainan island, launched an intercontinental ballistic missile from international waters off the southern California coast.
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#112. To: GreyLmist (#110)
In the cat and mouse game ,there are indeed few surprises, however now and again the military , DOES INDEED GET CAUGHT FLATFOOTED. If this was a Chinese adventure, I would have no problem in believing our military was not awake. It happens to the military of all countries.
I think there's a slim chance that our Navy might have detected it but acted surprised because they didn't want the Chinese to maneuver us into making a public statement about our technology. Maybe the same sort of "cat and mouse" type thing with the California coast event, if it was a missle launch by China.
#113. To: PSUSA (#111)
You raise some legitimate reporting and journalistic question with regard to Madsen's report. I can't endorse everything that's in Madsen's story because there's just too much in it that is unattributed and not directly sourced. Nevertheless, the story is interesting because it is written by a journalist who is not entirely lacking in expertise in the area that he's writing about, which is so often the case in journalism. Also because I have pretty made up my own mind about the object that we see in this week's video and that what I see is a missile, I'm am casting around for explanations that would tell me why a large booster takes off a few miles off our West Coast, and it takes days for the Pentagram and the rest of the Federal apparatus to get it's story straight. China is not shy of using its muscle on us. They will force our planes down on their territory, and invade our naval exercises. China has strategic objectives that conflict with ours, and they will unceasingly attempt to put us off balance. I wouldn't put it past them to steal a march on us and send us a message in such an embarrassing manner that even the recipient conspires to keep it quiet. It's an interesting hypothesis. We know that our government lies when the truth would sound better, and it only has itself to blame when wild and hairy stories sprout wings in the absence of a coherent narrative out of DC. It's also interesting to post unconventional propositions here because it raises hackles in certain quarters. Cheers.
We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. - Aesop
#114. To: randge (#113)
Ugly olde history again... Japanese subs shelled the US west coast early in WW2...Denied denied denied, it was all nonsense. The Navy was on guard. Until after the war, it was admitted. German subs were active inshore in Eastern US...Denied denied denied until the bodies started washing ashore. Admitted but nothing to be alarmed about. Navy was on guard. After the war, photos taken by German subs in NY harbor were published. OUR GOVERNMENT HAD LIED TO US. shame, shame.
China is not shy of using its muscle on us.
#115. To: randge (#113)
Good post. China has played some games with us in the past. We played games with them too. One that comes to mind was in bombing their embassy in Kosovo. I suppose that too was an act of war, since the embassy is technically Chinese territory. I do not like people that constantly shout "wolf" though. And AJ is real good at using others to shout wolf for him when he doesn't feel like doing it himself. Stories like the OP use words and phrases that intentionally allow plausible deniability. That is a pet peeve of mine. Writers like this should either make the assertion and prove it, by using real proof, or STFU. I don't know what caused this "missile". Neither do I appreciate speculation that is disguised as fact. Perhaps our .gov doesn't know what happened either. They are not all-knowing like some people like to think that they are. .
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#116. To: PSUSA, Cynicom (#115)
A phrase that pops up on the radar screen from time to time these days. It's not a cold war, and it's not a hot war, it's a war on a low simmer right now.
an act of war
We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. - Aesop
#117. To: randge (#116)
Yep. And it doesn't have to go hot either, imo. China could destroy us economically without firing a shot. That may not be necessarily a Bad Thing. Our empire, "The System", deserves to be destroyed, and we can still rebuild. And blowback to China would be minimal. A little disruption in their economy is a small price to pay for victory. We turned the industries in Japan and Germany into big piles or rubble. They were forced to rebuild those old factories and make modern ones. That was a silver lining to the dark cloud, for them. And even then, I remember how when I was a kid in the 60's and 70's, having a "made in Japan" sticker on a product meant that it was junk, and was a joke. They don't make junk anymore. We can do better than they did. Our industries took longer to destroy. But the end result is the same as if they had been bombed into oblivion. We can rebuild, but not until the corrupt system is destroyed first. But, in reading thru this before I hit the post button, I realize our "leadership" isn't likely to just do nothing. That's kind of a scary thought. Maybe it all depends on how quickly the crash hits. It's best to not give our leaders too much time to act (or react). .
It's not a cold war, and it's not a hot war, it's a war on a low simmer right now.
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#118. To: Cynicom (#112) (Edited)
Comment at defensetech.org: "it is not that hard to damage and possible sink a carrier, the problem is when its eleven brothers show up, pissed off....." Why? Because environmentalists have been pushing for our Navy to quit disturbing whales and whatnot in the oceans with its sonar?
In the cat and mouse game ,there are indeed few surprises, however now and again the military , DOES INDEED GET CAUGHT FLATFOOTED.
If this was a Chinese adventure, I would have no problem in believing our military was not awake.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#119. To: GreyLmist (#118)
If not already, some day when you have extra ten minutes, google for Capt. Hal Austin and his adventure over Russia. That is just one of many times, the military acting WITHOUT government sanction.
Why? Because environmentalists have been pushing for our Navy to quit disturbing whales and whatnot in the oceans with its sonar?
#120. To: randge (#0)
Hell, I called this the day it happened and I'm ex Navy.
The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.
#121. To: Cynicom (#119) (Edited)
Bravo for Capt. Rigley who acted without ATC sanction. From RB- 47: After flying for an hour over the Soviet Union at 40,000ft Austin was intercepted by new Mig 17 fighters which proceeded to open fire on the Stratojet, damaging the wing and fuselage. After a high altitude running battle, Col Austin and his crew crossed in to Finnish airspace and escaped their pursuers. However, their tanker had given up on them and returned to base. Austin's aircraft was damaged and very short of fuel. As they coasted out over Norway, he climbed to 43,000ft and set the most economical cruise speed. 150 nautical miles from England it looked like they would not make it and all their efforts would come to nothing with the loss of their invaluable film. Austin tried to contact the alert tanker at Brize Norton but the radio was damaged and only a broken message was heard by Jim Rigley, the captain of the waiting KC-97G. Rigley recognised Austin's voice and guessed he needed help. However, Brize ATC had an emergency in progress and refused Rigley permission to take off. Rigley tookoff anyway and met Austin's RB-47 as it descended towards Brize. He turned in front of the Stratojet and with Austin's gauges reading zero, he pumped in 12,000lb of fuel. Austin was able to land at Fairford where his Top Secret film was whisked away. Rigley faced a Court Martial back at Brize Norton but SAC Commander, General Curtis LeMay personally quashed the charges. The details of this mission remained classified until 1995 but it gives some idea of how SAC's Cold War warriors operated.
If not already, some day when you have extra ten minutes, google for Capt. Hal Austin and his adventure over Russia. That is just one of many times, the military acting WITHOUT government sanction.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#122. To: Brian D (#120)
All observers with a pair of eyeballs and an unbiased mind called this the moment they saw it. It's more than a little disturbing that we get nothing from DOD. Here is where CBS puts the origin of the flight. http://closingvelocity.typepad.com/closing_velocity/2010/11/video-mystery-missile-launched-off-california-near-los-angeles.htmlHell, I called this the day it happened and I'm ex Navy.
"The Missile Defense Agency told Fox News it did not launch any test missile Monday night that could explain the dramatic images. The Navy and the Air Force were also unable to offer an explanation."
We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. - Aesop
#123. To: randge (#122)
and now you have all these reports of 'fireballs' across the skies, lot of em in england a few days ago. wondering if those aren't chink satellites getting flamed by our space ops guys.
Thou hast power only to act not over the result thereof. Act thou therefore without prospect of the result and without succcumbing to inaction. The mind acts like an enemy for those who do not control it...Perform your obligatory duty, because action is indeed better than inaction...Sever the ignorant doubt in your heart with the sword of self-knowledge. Observe your discipline. Arise.
The Bhagavad Gita
#124. To: GreyLmist (#121)
Grey... At that time Austin was a grunt officer, low man on the totem pole, like the grunts on the ground they get all the dirty dangerous jobs. There is another if I can find it, a B-47 that did a like visit over Russia that had three targets to film. Due some problem, they missed one, they turned around went back and made a second run and got all three. All got medals. Some were not so lucky, several over the years were shot down. The military then wrote them off with the stroke of a pen, lost over the ocean on a ROUTINE training flight.
After flying for an hour over the Soviet Union at 40,000ft Austin was intercepted by new Mig 17 fighters
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