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Title: Wayne Madsen: China Fired Missile Seen In Southern California
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Published: Nov 12, 2010
Author: Wayne Madsen
Post Date: 2010-11-12 15:00:35 by randge
Keywords: Missile launch, Southern California, Madsen, China
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Comments: 124
Wayne Madsen: China Fired Missile Seen In Southern California Wayne Madsen Report Pentagon and its embedded media covering up Chinese show of force off LA China flexed its military muscle Monday evening in the skies west of Los Angeles when a Chinese Navy Jin class ballistic missile nuclear submarine, deployed secretly from its underground home base on the south coast of Hainan island, launched an intercontinental ballistic missile from international waters off the southern California coast. WMR’s intelligence sources in Asia, including Japan, say the belief by the military commands in Asia and the intelligence services is that the Chinese decided to demonstrate to the United States its capabilities on the eve of the G-20 Summit in Seoul and the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation summit in Tokyo, where President Obama is scheduled to attend during his ten-day trip to Asia. The reported Chinese missile test off Los Angeles came as a double blow to Obama. The day after the missile firing, China’s leading credit rating agency, Dagong Global Credit Rating, downgraded sovereign debt rating of the United States to A-plus from AA. The missile demonstration coupled with the downgrading of the United States financial grade represents a military and financial show of force by Beijing to Washington. The Pentagon spin machine, backed by the media reporters who regularly cover the Defense Department, as well as officials of the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD), and the U.S. Northern Command, is now spinning various conspiracy theories, including describing the missile plume videotaped by KCBS news helicopter cameraman Gil Leyvas at around 5:00 pm Pacific Standard Time, during the height of evening rush hour, as the condensation trail from a jet aircraft. Other Pentagon-inspired cover stories are that the missile was actually an amateur rocket or an optical illusion. Experts agree that this was a ballistic missile being fired off of Los Angeles. Pentagon insists it was a jet aircraft or model rocket. There are no records of a plane in the area having taken off from Los Angeles International Airport or from other airports in the region. The Navy and Air Force have said that they were not conducting any missile tests from submarines, ships, or Vandenberg Air Force Base. The Navy has also ruled out an accidental firing from one of its own submarines. Missile experts, including those from Jane’s in London, say the plume was definitely from a missile, possibly launched from a submarine. WMR has learned that the missile was likely a JL-2 ICBM, which has a range of 7,000 miles, and was fired in a northwesterly direction over the Pacific and away from U.S. territory from a Jin class submarine. The Jin class can carry up to twelve such missiles. Navy sources have revealed that the missile may have impacted on Chinese territory and that the National Security Agency (NSA) likely posseses intercepts of Chinese telemtry signals during the missile firing and subsequent testing operations. Japanese and other Asian intelligence agencies believe that a Chinese Jin-class SSBN submarine conducted missile “show of force” in skies west of Los Angeles. Asian intelligence sources believe the submarine transited from its base on Hainan through South Pacific waters, where U.S. anti-submarine warfare detection capabilities are not as effective as they are in the northern and mid-Pacific, and then transited north to waters off of Los Angeles. The Pentagon, which has spent billions on ballistic missile defense systems, a pet project of former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, is clearly embarrassed over the Chinese show of strength. Likely route of Jin-class submarine from Hainan base. The White House also wants to donwplay the missile story before Presidnet Obama meets with his Chinese counterpart in Seoul and Tokyo. According to Japanese intelligence sources, Beijing has been angry over United States and allied naval exercises in the South China and Yellow Seas, in what China considers its sphere of influence, and the missile firing within the view of people in Southern California was a demonstration that China’s navy can also play in waters off the American coast. For the U.S. Navy, the Chinese show of force is a huge embarassment, especially for the Navy’s Pacific Command in Pearl Harbor, where Japan’s December 7, 1941 attack on the fleet at Pearl Harbor remains a sore subject. Fresh food that lasts from eFoods Direct (Ad) In 2002, national security adviser Condoleezza Rice reportedly scolded visiting Chinese General Xiong Guankai, the deputy chief of staff for intelligence of the People’s Liberation Army, for remarks he allegedly made in 1995 that China would use nuclear weapons on Los Angeles. Xiong denied he made any such comments but the “spin” on the story helped convince Congress to sink billions of additional dollars into ballistic missile defense, sometimes referred to at “Star Wars II.” Poster Comment: Wayne Madsen is well known as an investigative reporter. Less well known is the fact that he trained at the Nay's Surface Warfare School. Madsen was assigned to anti-submarine acoustic sensing operationsa and was awarded a Navy Unit Commendation as part of the team that detected the first acoustic signature of a Soviet Alfa class submarine. Madsen says that our highly advertised anti-submarine capability has been hollowed out in recent years and that we currently have only five ASW vessels to cover all the world's oceans. He cites the Navy's admission of the failure to detect a Chinese submarine that surfaced within weapons range of the USS Kitty Hawk task force several years ago.
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#35. To: Cynicom, 4 (#33)
Amen. Recent examples Gates, Dell, Jobs, Turner - all college drop-outs who've managed to eke out a living. Yet now they're all Honorary Doctors because of their accomplishments without the original sheepskin.
Not true. It takes a bit of time for co-relation based on FACTS.
It takes a bit of time for co-relation based on We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. - Aesop
It takes a bit of time for co-relation based on FACTS. There you go buck, leaving out the reason they cannot say who it was. To do that, they need to know, without doubt the exact location and time from which the video was taken. You left out that part, not nice. Again you are using media poop as facts, that wont wash. Myself, I doubt the contrail answer, however if anyone can tell me WHAT AND WHO it was, I could accept easily.
Out of the gate the military/government raised the speculation, not the civilian population. I understand your point still it is not a conclusion about the cause being some Chinese missile as in the article of this thread..... that sort of stuff by Madsen is why he gets ratings... BS.
I agree... However as a student of geopolitics you well know that NOTHING is denied off hand, every possibility is considered. Either way buck, the government/military will indeed use it to sway a new Congress.
The rarity of these kinds of events precludes your considerations for new budgeting approval. Here is what shall happen: FAA shall wrap it up sometime soon showing an relatively slow moving aircraft with a contrail near dusk over the Pacific Ocean. Most officials will laff it off, too. As they already pointed out there was no threat and no planned or errant launches otherwise. They will laff at the American publick for believing in BS.
I might add that the FAA is under already under extreme pressure to reduce its budget; the Pentagon is too. I regard this as good news. I wish DHS was under that same pressure. They seem to have infinite capability to piss away dollars while not doing anything.
For separation, all aircraft must maintain a specified mach number, no deviation is allowed without permission, engine problems etc. We all fly the required speed without exceptions, that is the only way separation can be maintained. With coastal radar, there is no deviation as the speed is known.
I fought the FAA/government for twenty years, lost every battle, made a lot of enemies. One friend got to near the top of FAA a few years ago until he got chopped off. They like all government agencies need to be cut down to size. For every worker earning his salt, doing a necessary job, there is another in hiding drawing more pay, doing nothing but shuffling papers.
Nice try Cyni. I guess you don't know about IFF radar. It is a method of identifying aircraft within the US and ally nations for Identification of Friend or Foe. Without this method of signaling this encrypted signature, aircraft (UFOs, enemy missiles, Tinkerbell, etc.) are not recognized and are considered hostile. IFF radar is an important flight recognition method to understand issues about national defense. It is employed all over Canada and the USA.
Buck... I operated my first IFF back in 1951. Wanna try again?????? That was a WW2 advancement. Modern days they use a transponder that is capable of about 7000 codes or thereabouts. Each aircraft is assigned a a code number, when the radar sweeps by him, his transponder blips, giving the controller positive ID.
Ever hear of Link 16? Obviously, you know about Link 11/22.
Buck, you need to get up to speed. I been retired for years and most of this is methods and equipment we never dreamed about. Throw in... We use to fly up and down the west coast jamming radars for a living. Practicing for Russian and Chinese. We could also jam TV stations, for which we caught hell more than once, but it was fun and no one could ident us.
Nope, as I say equipment wise I am a dinosaur.
Buck... Go here... http://www.liveatc.net/flisten.php?mount=hf_pacific_napa You will hear San Francisco working the traffic as far north as Alaska and south to near Australia. He will call himself San Francisco, working the oceanic traffic for Oakland Center and he is sitting in Annapolis MD.
We could also jam TV stations, for which we caught hell more than once, but it was fun and no one could ident us. And the days of military theatre antics are all but a bit over (just budgets) with today's elimination of AWACs. We are moving to stationary blimps in the sky with CCD capabilities to zoom in on over a 30 mile radius with 3" accuracy. These same stationary sky lords are so high up they can't be detected visually so you wouldn't detect them; they use stealth capabilities (radar invisible) and use solar radiation as a power source. They can remain in a geocentric stationary grid or moved on command for over a year at a time. Technology is changing the entire USA.... if the personnel want to know what kind of beer you are drinking they just zoom in on your coldcup while you are riding your JohnDeere mowing back lawn.
Buck... Go here... http://www.liveatc.net/flisten.php?mount=hf_pacific_napa You will hear San Francisco working the traffic as far north as Alaska and south to near Australia. He will call himself San Francisco, working the oceanic traffic for Oakland Center and he is sitting in Annapolis MD.
Friends of mine flew AWACS long ago. One went to Syracuse U to learn Russian, spent two years.
For offensive military posturing, there will always be a need for AWACs so don't misunderstand me. I was referring to defensive posturing as in the article by this liar Madsen about some Chinese missile BS.
You might want to brush up on your geopolitics buck. The realm of possibility is extensive. Highly possible. Probable???? Only the military would know for sure.
Madsen? He is such a sucker for attention and self-adulation/self-aggrandizing he uses publick speculation on an obvious optical illusion towards his own benefit. I don't think you are even close to the truth. The military has no need to hide anything other than obvious budgets and direct massacres on innocent people.
If it was one of theirs by accident, I suspect they would hide.
No they wouldn't. And these threads about a "mystery missile" prove the point. They need no more speculation or condemnation about some silly Chinese missile other than some lamebrain, far-out writer looking for applause. There is no known issue with the US defense system.
I can remember when you were over on freak republic how you constantly stunk up the site. Even the freaks got wise to your silly replys and distanced you. Now you are over here trying the same old BS. Pretty soon you won't have a friend on the internet, save maybe LP. Goldie likes people she can control and you fit the kind she likes. Rather than staying over here and alienating the posters here, why don't you skedaddle on over and break bread with goldi. She would love to have you on board.
What makes you so sure that you have any friends on the Internet? This is just a method of communication and in the sense of a chit-chat channel, I doubt anyone makes an endearing "friend" just as in real life with just a few possible exceptions. Go on over there and ask her to unban me. Make a thread out of it. Tell her I have a couple of hundred dollars for her new server. That will prime her pump. Betcha I can beat ya, if I choose to with one of my other aliases.
Smoke dope much?
We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. - Aesop
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Unlike yourself I am vindicated and totally exonerated.
We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. - Aesop
I prequalified or forwarded my perspective in post#55: So with that brief post in mind, why are you spinning my words in later posts? If anyone is smoking dope or for that matter blundering into publick speculation because some self-aggrandizing author wants to play around with Chinese missiles launching off the coast of California, you might be wise to look at yourself.
Grey Thanks for that. More truth than poetry.
IFF radar is an important flight recognition method to understand issues about national defense. It is employed all over Canada and the USA. Couldn't "magic paint" [ref: bolded and underlined text + note in blue below] be why whatever it was apparently wasn't detected?: From 60 Minutes Transcript on Area 51, Interview of Jonathan Turley, Atty by Leslie Stahl: ACTUAL VERBAL TRANSCRIPT CBS-TV -- 60 MINUTES March 17, 1996. This 60 Minutes segment orignally aired on March 17, 1996. It follows the controversy at a top secret air base which supposedly doesn't exist. For more information regarding the lawsuit and / or Area 51, point your web browser at: http://www.cris.com/~psyspy/area51/ Leslie Stahl: Why this story is called Area 51 / Catch 22 will become clear as it unfolds. [sic] Stahl: The Air Force maintains that if they answer your question, then the enemy will be able to piece together a mosaic about the specific operations at Area 51. Turley: Yes, and that's just facially absurd. Stahl: Didn't you ever ask them any specifics? Turley: Yes. Stahl: Like what? Turley: Oh, we asked if they have jet fuel there. Stahl: Jet fuel.. What did they say? Turley: They said to "admit or deny the presence of jet fuel at an air base would put American lives in danger." Stahl: They said that? Turley: Oh yeah.. Stahl: C'mon.. What else did you ask? Turley: We asked about paint. Stahl: What ? (laughs) Turley: Not the magic paint, not the stuff that makes planes disappear..[My note: From radar?] Paint.. Like in your house. Stahl: What was the answer? Turley: "American lives would be put in danger if we answer that question." Stahl: No... Turley: Yeah...
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
There is no known issue with the buckeroo.
We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. - Aesop
No. You are referring to "stealth capabilities" not IFF radar detection. Stealth technology (beyond the physical design of the craft) doesn't release plumes of observable mammoth contrails which is all about the 10 minute observation of some MSM trafficwatcher in a helicopter looking into the sunset.
That's what I meant by "magic paint". An ordinary aircraft going to Phoenix would probably not have stealth/radar invisibility capabilities, yes?
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Well, there is one that gets everyone's dander up ... I like to imbibe a bit of whiskey from time to time. Why folks don't like it, I don't know. Redbreast adds to my overall clarity of mind by permitting a bit of heightened awareness about the world. I think I will have another drink right now, so thank you and I toast to your post.
Of course. And no observable contrail plumes.
You are referring to "stealth capabilities" not IFF radar detection. Stealth technology (beyond the physical design of the craft) doesn't release plumes of observable mammoth contrails which is all about the 10 minute observation of some MSM trafficwatcher in a helicopter looking into the sunset. Suppose the objective was for the flying object to be unidentified but the plume was intended to be seen as a deliberate signal that something was there.
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
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#36. To: Cynicom (#34)
If it was an aircraft, the FAA has the ability to identify it and dispel any doubt.
The FAA, which operates the nationwide radar system used for civilian air travel, said that it had not been able to determine the location, altitude or trajectory of the contrail. “Without knowing that information, we can’t pinpoint a source,” spokesman Ian Gregor said. “We can’t say where the contrail came from.”
#37. To: buckeroo (#36)
FACTS REPRESENTATIONS.
#38. To: buckeroo, randge, all (#36)
The FAA, which operates the nationwide radar system used for civilian air travel, said that it had not been able to determine the location, altitude or trajectory of the contrail. “Without knowing that information, we can’t pinpoint a source,” spokesman Ian Gregor said. “We can’t say where the contrail came from.”
#39. To: Cynicom (#34)
The seed of doubt was sown by the government, not by the chopper pilot.
#40. To: buckeroo (#39)
I understand your point still it is not a conclusion about the cause being some Chinese missile as in the article of this thread..... that sort of stuff by Madsen is why he gets ratings... BS.
#41. To: Cynicom (#40)
Either way buck, the government/military will indeed use it to sway a new Congress.
#42. To: Cynicom (#40)
#43. To: buckeroo (#41)
#44. To: buckeroo (#42)
#45. To: Cynicom (#43)
We all fly the required speed without exceptions, that is the only way separation can be maintained. With coastal radar, there is no deviation as the speed is known.
#46. To: buckeroo (#45)
Nice try Cyni. I guess you don't know about IFF radar.
#47. To: Cynicom (#46)
#48. To: buckeroo (#45)
#49. To: buckeroo (#47)
#50. To: All (#49)
#51. To: Cynicom (#48)
We use to fly up and down the west coast jamming radars for a living. Practicing for Russian and Chinese.
#52. To: buckeroo, All (#49)
#53. To: buckeroo (#51)
with today's elimination of AWACs.
#54. To: Cynicom, randge (#53)
#55. To: buckeroo (#54)
Madsen about some Chinese missile BS.
#56. To: Cynicom (#55)
Highly possible. Probable????
Only the military would know for sure.
#57. To: buckeroo (#56)
The military has no need to hide anything
#58. To: Cynicom (#57)
If it was one of theirs by accident, I suspect they would hide.
#59. To: buckeroo (#26)
This happens to my Redbreast Happy Hour, if you don't mind.
#60. To: LACUMO (#59)
Pretty soon you won't have a friend on the internet
Goldie likes people she can control and you fit the kind she likes. Rather than staying over here and alienating the posters here, why don't you skedaddle on over and break bread with goldi. She would love to have you on board.
#61. To: LACUMO (#59)
how you constantly stunk up the site
#62. To: buckeroo (#58)
There is no known issue with the US defense system.
#63. To: Cynicom (#3)
Where are the swamp gas,Venus and balloon guys when you need them????
#64. To: randge (#62)
Smoke dope much? [err: read and post Madsen?]
#65. To: buckeroo (#64)
There is no known issue with the US defense system.
#66. To: randge (#65)
The military has no need to hide anything other than obvious budgets and direct massacres on innocent people.
#67. To: GreyLmist (#63)
#68. To: buckeroo, All (#45)
(Edited)
IFF radar. It is a method of identifying aircraft within the US and ally nations for Identification of Friend or Foe. Without this method of signaling this encrypted signature, aircraft (UFOs, enemy missiles, Tinkerbell, etc.) are not recognized and are considered hostile.
#69. To: buckeroo (#66)
#70. To: GreyLmist (#68)
Couldn't "magic paint" [ref: bolded and underlined text + note in blue below] be why whatever it was apparently wasn't detected?
#71. To: buckeroo (#51)
stealth capabilities (radar invisible)
#72. To: randge (#69)
There is no known issue with the buckeroo.
#73. To: GreyLmist (#71)
That's what I meant by "magic paint". An ordinary aircraft going to Phoenix would probably not have stealth/radar invisibility capabilities, yes?
#74. To: buckeroo (#70)
Couldn't "magic paint" [ref: bolded and underlined text + note in blue below] be why whatever it was apparently wasn't detected? No.
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