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Title: US survey: 1 in 10 kids has ADHD, awareness cited
Source: AP Medical Writer
URL Source: http://www.physorg.com/news/2010-11 ... kids-adhd-awareness-cited.html
Published: Nov 14, 2010
Author: MIKE STOBBE
Post Date: 2010-11-14 12:42:28 by abraxas
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Views: 1046
Comments: 71

US survey: 1 in 10 kids has ADHD, awareness cited November 10, 2010 By MIKE STOBBE , AP Medical Writer (AP) -- A government survey says 1 in 10 U.S. children has ADHD, a sizable increase from a few years earlier that researchers think might be explained by growing awareness and better screening.

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ADHD, or attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, makes it hard for kids to pay attention and control impulsive behavior. It's often treated with drugs, behavioral therapy, or both.

The new study found that about two-thirds of the children who have ADHD are on medication.

The estimate comes from a survey released Wednesday that found an increase in ADHD of about 22 percent from 2003 to the most recent survey in 2007-08. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention interviewed parents of children ages 4 through 17 in both studies.

In the latest survey, 9.5 percent said a doctor or health care provider had told them their child had ADHD. The earlier study found that fewer than 8 percent of kids had been diagnosed with it.

Researchers calculate about 5.4 million kids have been diagnosed with ADHD, which suggests that about 1 million more children have the disorder than a few years earlier.

Scientists don't have clear answers about why there was such a significant increase. Study lead author Susanna Visser of the CDC suggests greater awareness and stepped-up screening efforts as part of the explanation.

"Regardless of what's undergirding this, we know more parents are telling us their children have ADHD," Visser said.

One expert found it hard to believe that so many kids might have ADHD. "It sounds a little high," said Howard Abikoff, a psychologist who is director of the Institute for Attention Deficit Hyperactivity and Behavior Disorders at New York University's Child Study Center.

Other studies have suggested more like 5 percent of kids have ADHD, and there are no known biological reasons for it to be on a recent increase, he added.

Abikoff noted the CDC study is based on parents saying that a health care provider told them their child had ADHD, but it's not known who the health-care provider was or how thorough the assessment was.

ADHD diagnosis is a matter of expert opinion. There's no blood test or brain-imaging exam for the condition. Sometimes reading disabilities or other problems in the classroom cause a teacher or others to mistakenly think a child has ADHD, he said.

The CDC study noted an increase in diagnoses was seen in kids of all races and family income levels, and across all regions of the country except the West. The survey covered 73,000 children.

Of those who had ADHD at the time of the latest survey, about half had a mild form.

The research appears in the CDC publication, Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report.

More information: APHA: http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr

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#1. To: abraxas (#0)

www.naturalchild.org/guest/david_keirsey.html

The reason I speak of a hoax in the case of "attention deficit disorder" is that there is no such "mental disorder" to "diagnose" and "treat." And the reason I speak of a great hoax is that the less competent medical practitioners use this phony "diagnosis" as a warrant to "treat" millions of school children (over 5,000,000) per year by intoxicating them with brain-disabling narcotics.

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titorite  posted on  2010-11-14   12:45:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: titorite (#1)

It's all a big pharma scam to make money off doping children. Notice how the government is now doing the "research" on the topic for the benefit of big pharma. It's disgusting.

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-11-14   12:53:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: abraxas, titorite, Eric Stratton, farmfriend, all (#2)



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"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-11-14   12:58:20 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Original_Intent, abraxas, titorite, Eric Stratton, (#3)

I always assumed they were going to try and get my to put my oldest on drugs but they didn't. I told them to keep his mind occupied or he would become a discipline problem. He had pretty good teachers until high school. The school system is not geared to handle kids like him.


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farmfriend  posted on  2010-11-14   13:01:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: abraxas (#0)

Zero in one hundred Amish children have ADHD. If ADHD is hereditary and is found in all races, does that mean the Amish are from outer space?

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Horse  posted on  2010-11-14   13:07:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Original_Intent (#3)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-11-14   13:08:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: abraxas (#0)

It is because public school with mostly women teachers relate to little girls and don't understand why little boys can't whisper, sit still, and act like little girls. After all, the women teachers remember that they could do that as little girls and expect little boys to be the same.

DWornock  posted on  2010-11-14   13:16:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: DWornock (#7)

It is because public school with mostly women teachers relate to little girls and don't understand why little boys can't whisper, sit still, and act like little girls. After all, the women teachers remember that they could do that as little girls and expect little boys to be the same.

Dude, start with mandatory government vaccines, and then work back, way back, to this crock-pottery.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-11-14   13:26:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: farmfriend (#4)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-11-14   13:26:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Jethro Tull (#8)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-11-14   13:27:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: DWornock (#7)

After all, the women teachers remember that they could do that as little girls and expect little boys to be the same.

Balony!! I remember my first grade teacher (female) tying me to a chair with a jump rope. I could never sit still and I'm not the only little girl in the world who had this trouble. One of my girls wants to be the perfect student while the other is a constant bundle of energy who can't sit still or keep quiet.

Actually, female teachers generally relate BETTER to male students than to female students and this is even more prevalent in middle and high school.

Look deeper than blaming teachers and public schools to who benefits from doping kids.........

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-11-14   13:28:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Eric Stratton (#10)

My daughter is currently in the process of keeping my very large, healthy grandson vaccine free.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-11-14   13:30:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: abraxas (#11)

Look deeper than blaming teachers and public schools to who benefits from doping kids.........

AB, they are the enforcers for twelve long years.

Long before you were born, we had no such problem, never heard of such a malady.

We had a solution for ALL problems. It was called "discipline". It started in first grade, no matter how active you were, you learned damned quick, wise up, it worked every time.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-11-14   13:38:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: farmfriend, abraxas, titorite, Eric Stratton, all (#4)

I still remember my little garden helper from where I lived last. She was a bundle of energy and could never sit still for more than a few minutes, and boy was that little girl sharp. Thankfully her parents home schooled because sure as the sun rises the Skool Systum would have classified her as "ADHD" when the reality was that she was simply a bundle of free spirited energy with a well above average I.Q.. I remembered her a few years later when I listened to Charlotte Isebyt, or might have been Beverly Eakman, on the radio talking about how the kids most targeted for the phony "ADHD" label were high energy above normal I.Q. kids. Also I recall her saying that 85% of those targeted were boys i.e., realistically future leaders of any resistance. So, it became clear to me that the real point of the "ADHD" label and drugging was to intellectually geld the kids that would be most likely to be "a problem" under any New World Order. In other words they would not make good, placid, complacent slaves.

"Nothing has harmed the quality of individual life in modern society more than the misbegotten belief that human suffering is driven by biological and genetic causes and can be rectified by taking drugs or undergoing electroshock therapy. ... If I wanted to ruin someone's life, I would convince the person that that biological psychiatry is right - that relationships mean nothing, that choice is impossible, and that the mechanics of a broken brain reign over our emotions and conduct. If I wanted to impair an individual's capacity to create empathetic, loving relationships, I would prescribe psychiatric drugs, all of which blunt our highest psychological and spiritual functions."
Peter R. Breggin, M.D., in the foreword to "Reality Therapy in Action" by William Glasser, M.D., p. xi

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-11-14   13:50:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Cynicom, abraxas (#13)

Look deeper than blaming teachers and public schools to who benefits from doping kids.........

AB, they are the enforcers for twelve long years.

Long before you were born, we had no such problem, never heard of such a malady.

We had a solution for ALL problems. It was called "discipline". It started in first grade, no matter how active you were, you learned damned quick, wise up, it worked every time.

The other thing that cannot be overlooked is diet. When you were a kid most of the food you ate was relatively wholesome - none of the sugar, fat, and chemical loaded, pardon the expression, shit that the average American diet now consists of. What we today call "Organic" was pretty much the normal way of producing food.

I recall a study released by the USDA a couple of years ago which tried to assert that the food value calculations of the 1950's must have been wrong because they got much lower readings today. I had to laugh, sadly, because in the 1950's the petro-chemical way of farming was just then becoming in vogue and the norm. Whereas before farmers had used, along with modern equipment, much the same way of raising crops unchanged since 1776. The change the FDA measured was real but is accounted for by soil depletion as a result of petrochemical farming using artificially high nitrogen chemical fertilizers devoid of most trace elements. Which is why I grow my own or buy organic.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-11-14   13:56:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Original_Intent (#15)

When you were a kid most of the food you ate

Home grown potatoes and home made bread.

There was NO obesity, not among the unwashed, none, nada.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-11-14   13:59:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Jethro Tull (#12)

My daughter is currently in the process of keeping my very large, healthy grandson vaccine free.

Good for her. The more I learn about vaccines the more I want to stay away from them and keep those I love away from them.

I have had only one vaccination in the last 25 to 30 years and have suffered no major illness - other than a bout with pneumonia which was handled by natural means. Other than that a couple of bouts with a moderate flu and that's about it.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-11-14   14:00:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Cynicom (#16)

When you were a kid most of the food you ate

Home grown potatoes and home made bread.

There was NO obesity, not among the unwashed, none, nada.

And I would be willing to be the only corn syrup was the old Karo used occasionally in baking, no sugar loaded breakfast cereals, and a bottle of pop was maybe a once or twice a week treat - not an everyday beverage.

I can remember weeks on end when we had no pop, but we always had plenty of milk, water, and occasionally Kool-Aid in the summer.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-11-14   14:02:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: abraxas (#0)

I would have been diagnosed with Attention Deficit Disorder without Hyperactivity as a kid, but fortunately there were no drugs in those days.

Mostly they left me alone. I spent my spare time trying to build robots and submarines out of hot-water heaters, and I turned out just fine without any psychiatric drugs.

"If ever this vast country is brought under a single government, it will be one of the most extensive corruption, indifferent and incapable of a wholesome care over so wide a spread of surface. This will not be borne, and you will have to choose between reform and revolution. If I know the spirit of this country, the one or the other is inevitable." - Thomas Jefferson

Turtle  posted on  2010-11-14   14:02:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Cynicom, 4 (#13)

We had a solution for ALL problems. It was called "discipline". It started in first grade, no matter how active you were, you learned damned quick, wise up, it worked every time.

When corporal punishment was outlawed, things soon went to shit.

Lod  posted on  2010-11-14   14:05:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Original_Intent, All (#18)

breakfast cereals, and a bottle of pop

OI, are you kidding Son??????

Cereal, what the hell was that. Milk, saw that at school, a few kids had a nickle for milk.

We drank....WATER... From out of the ground, put there by Mother Nature, nothing added, just good olde water.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-11-14   14:11:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Jethro Tull (#12)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-11-14   14:13:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Lod (#20)

When corporal punishment was outlawed, things soon went to shit.

Yes sir...

First of all we knew discipline at home via physical punishment, and that school was just an extension of that program.

Mess up, you got your ass handed to you at school and a note sent home, there you got another. That got ones attention, no disorder needed, you wised up.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-11-14   14:14:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Original_Intent, farmfriend, abraxas, titorite, all (#14)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-11-14   14:17:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Cynicom (#21)

breakfast cereals, and a bottle of pop

OI, are you kidding Son??????

Cereal, what the hell was that. Milk, saw that at school, a few kids had a nickle for milk.

We drank....WATER... From out of the ground, put there by Mother Nature, nothing added, just good olde water.

A whole nickel? When I was in first grade it was 2¢ and my mom squawked like crazy when it went up to 3¢ (Chocolate milk was 3¢ starting out and she would not pay the extra penny). Shucks it was 15¢ for a whole week - that was 3 Milky Ways - which were then made from real sugar, caramel, chocolate, nougat, and nothing else. I recall her disappointment when they went up to 7¢.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-11-14   14:17:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Cynicom, 4 (#23)

Mess up, you got your ass handed to you at school and a note sent home, there you got another. That got ones attention, no disorder needed, you wised up.

Also, back then, almost any adult had the unspoken, but understood, responsibility to bring anyone's kid correct. And as you said, one more time when you got home.

It didn't take a genius to learn quite quickly the rewards of being a screw-up.

Lod  posted on  2010-11-14   14:23:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Eric Stratton (#24)

The Skool Systum is designed for those running it, needless to say to you.

I still recall the schools before unionization and much in the way of Federal involvement. Teachers became teachers because they enjoyed being teachers - not to make a big fat government salary - because they really were not paid that well. Most of the industrious ones would work summer jobs while school was out. I recall my succession of "Old Maid" School Marms in Montana and they taught because they liked it and the kids in their classes were the kids they never had. So, it worked out well all the way around. I still appreciate Miss Reardon, third grade, who treated her favorites more harshly and more demandingly than the other kids - so that she would not show favoritism. I was on the receiving end, but she did force me to really learn. I suspect that by the end of third grade I would have been 2 to 3 grades higher, as far as knowledge, as compared to todays skools.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-11-14   14:23:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Eric Stratton (#24)

When an ISD has its own PD, you know things are beyond bad.

Here, the parking lots are in physical lock-down from when school commences, until the class-day ends.

Quite prison-like.

Lod  posted on  2010-11-14   14:26:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Lod, Cynicom (#26)

Bingo. When I was a kid in school all adults were, "yes sir", "no sir", "yes ma'am" and "no ma'am" and "please, thank you, and you're welcome" were not optional. Failure to adhere to this policy could result in trouble sitting for a while. And all adults were to be obeyed. Some of the stuff I see these days on public transit would simply have not happened and if it did every decent adult man on the bus would have responded - and without fear that the cops would arrest them for doing the right thing or that the young thugs would put them in the hospital.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-11-14   14:28:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Original_Intent (#25)

A whole nickel?

Ask me why it was a nickle?????

Well, back then the school had no refrigeration , imagine that???????

So each day at noon time, some man from somewhere would arrive with a case of small bottles of milk on ice. Thus the nickle.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-11-14   14:42:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Turtle (#19)

I turned out just fine without any psychiatric drugs.

lol.....many here would debate that, Turtle. : P hehehehe

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-11-14   14:48:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Original_Intent (#29)

Bingo. When I was a kid in school all adults were, "yes sir", "no sir", "yes ma'am" and "no ma'am" and "please, thank you, and you're welcome" were not optional.

You should see the looks I get when I say "Yes Ma'am to young female clerks, they act like I am insulting or swearing at them.

I was taught that, wont change.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-11-14   14:50:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: abraxas, turtle (#31)

lol.....many here would debate that, Turtle. : P hehehehe

thats not nice, true but no need to grind it in. hehehehehehe

Cynicom  posted on  2010-11-14   14:51:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Cynicom, abraxas (#33)

lol.....many here would debate that, Turtle. : P hehehehe

Both of you should be so lucky to be one-tenth of what Turtle is.

"If ever this vast country is brought under a single government, it will be one of the most extensive corruption, indifferent and incapable of a wholesome care over so wide a spread of surface. This will not be borne, and you will have to choose between reform and revolution. If I know the spirit of this country, the one or the other is inevitable." - Thomas Jefferson

Turtle  posted on  2010-11-14   14:54:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Turtle, abraxas (#34)

Both of you should be so lucky to be one-tenth of what Turtle is.

Ha.

AB is a fine young lady, pillar of the community, stalwart, resolute member of a genteel society.

Of course my pedigree speaks for itself.

How dare you impugn us, good heavens.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-11-14   15:00:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Cynicom, Turtle (#35)

How dare you impugn us, good heavens.

Turtle is just jealous and envious of us Cyni. : )

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-11-14   15:02:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: abraxas. Cynicom (#36)

How dare you impugn us, good heavens.

Both of you are bottle-caps -- time for recycling!

"If ever this vast country is brought under a single government, it will be one of the most extensive corruption, indifferent and incapable of a wholesome care over so wide a spread of surface. This will not be borne, and you will have to choose between reform and revolution. If I know the spirit of this country, the one or the other is inevitable." - Thomas Jefferson

Turtle  posted on  2010-11-14   15:05:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: abraxas, turtle (#36)

Turtle is just jealous and envious of us Cyni. : )

Turtles are green from eternal envy.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-11-14   15:06:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Cynicom (#30)

A whole nickel?

Ask me why it was a nickle?????

Well, back then the school had no refrigeration , imagine that???????

So each day at noon time, some man from somewhere would arrive with a case of small bottles of milk on ice. Thus the nickle.

Ours was much the same, but being 15 or 20 years younger by then it came in the little 8 ounce cartons we're all familiar with today. And my first school had no lunchroom, except for the teachers, it was a real novelty when we moved "up town" and the school actually had a lunch room for the students. I forget what it was but 15¢ for lunch seems to ring a bell. And seconds were a little gravy, "Food Service mix", on a slice of bread. Although most of the way through grade school I was a brown bagger. Having enough extra to actually "buy" lunch was a real luxury.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-11-14   15:14:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Cynicom (#32) (Edited)

You should see the looks I get when I say "Yes Ma'am to young female clerks, they act like I am insulting or swearing at them.

I was taught that, wont change.

It would take a conscious effort not to say "sir" or "ma'am". It is just the way I was brought up. My father had very definite ideas on politeness and to violate them was to court sudden death. I recall the one and only time I omitted the "sir" - it was to a friend of my father's from work, the guy was a real asshole, and my father was so embarrassed he did not know what to say. However, by the time we were alone he had recovered enough to "admonish" me. The offense was not repeated.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-11-14   15:19:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Original_Intent, Cynicom, 4 (#39)

As soon as we had our driver licenses at fourteen, we'd load up the cars and go to a mom and pop burger joint, or to a BBQ place.

Lod  posted on  2010-11-14   15:20:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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