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Title: I Find Three Bottle Caps and a Rusty Nail
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Published: Nov 14, 2010
Author: Turtle
Post Date: 2010-11-14 14:28:29 by Turtle
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Views: 1952
Comments: 63

For years I have been picking up metal off of the ground when I walk my dog -- aluminum and tin cams.

The aluminum cans are almost always Bud Light and Pepsi which hoosiers through out of the pickup trucks.

I take the stuff to the recycling center every three months and get about $50, which fills up my van and also gets me a quart of oil.

Today, when I took my dog for a walk, I found three Bud Light bottle caps and a nusty nail, which goes into the steel/iron box.

Wire is the most profitable, since it's copper. I don't find much of that, but as for the Bud Light/Pepsi...the hicks must love that stuff. They throw the cans into the street, sidewalks, and people's front yards.

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#18. To: Eric Stratton (#12)

LMAO!!!

Lol!!

Hey Pot!! This hear is Kettle and I have a bone to pick with you.

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-11-15   11:56:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: abraxas (#18)
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-11-15   12:19:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Eric Stratton (#19)

Turtle's threads are usually pure nonsense and completely unsubstantive, generally speaking.

They require a sense of humor. It's a serious defect of character not to have one. It saves one from Konspiracy Kookery, i.e., remote-controlled airplanes, explosives in the WTC, three shooters on Kennedy, the moon landings being shot on a stage, ad infinitum, ad nauseum.

"If ever this vast country is brought under a single government, it will be one of the most extensive corruption, indifferent and incapable of a wholesome care over so wide a spread of surface. This will not be borne, and you will have to choose between reform and revolution. If I know the spirit of this country, the one or the other is inevitable." - Thomas Jefferson

Turtle  posted on  2010-11-15   12:25:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Turtle (#20)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-11-15   12:28:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Eric Stratton, Buckaroo (#19)

IDK, I don't view Bucky that way.

usually pure nonsense and completely unsubstantive, generally speaking.

Playing the devil's advocate for the government is generally pure nonsense and completely unsubstantive, generally speaking. You must have forgotten the joys of bantering with Bucky on a Globull Warming thread or other relevant topics......

Here's a recap:

Ignore long term data!! GMO is good!! The Gulf is fine!! Chemtrail is water vapor that doesn't dissipate!! Nothing to see here Looky Lous!! Move Along!! Destroy the thread, send posters looking for an exit to divert attention from any and all relevant content in the article.

No offense to Bucky, I'm just keeping it real........

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-11-15   13:04:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: farmfriend (#17) (Edited)

What colour is the smoke? Is it white, gray, blue or black in appearance?

"The Tea Party represents the true green shoots of a reclaimed America, let us not block it's sunlight while it is still taking roots." -- Flintlock, circa 2010-11-06 13:51:43 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-11-15   13:45:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: farmfriend (#17)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-11-15   14:05:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: abraxas (#22)

Here's a recap:

Ignore long term data!! GMO is good!! The Gulf is fine!! Chemtrail is water vapor that doesn't dissipate!! Nothing to see here Looky Lous!! Move Along!! Destroy the thread, send posters looking for an exit to divert attention from any and all relevant content in the article.

You don't read at all, do you? Where have I said any of things?

"The Tea Party represents the true green shoots of a reclaimed America, let us not block it's sunlight while it is still taking roots." -- Flintlock, circa 2010-11-06 13:51:43 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-11-15   14:05:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: buckeroo (#25)

lol.......We interrupt this thread to announce today's award for feigned naivete.

(Insert drum roll here) Congratulations Buckeroo!! : P

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-11-15   14:29:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Eric Stratton (#24)

If you have maintained your truck since the beginning of time with recommended methods of tests, observations and maintenance intervals AND you still enjoy the vehicle AND there are no obvious problems why buy a replacement vehicle?

When you buy a new vehicle, typically you have HUGE changes in costs for vehicle registration and insurance while giving away your trade-in; dealers take your trade-in for resale unless they can make a profit and that means YOU take the hit on their appraisal value.

"The Tea Party represents the true green shoots of a reclaimed America, let us not block it's sunlight while it is still taking roots." -- Flintlock, circa 2010-11-06 13:51:43 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-11-15   14:32:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: abraxas (#26)

You said this:

Ignore long term data!! GMO is good!! The Gulf is fine!! Chemtrail is water vapor that doesn't dissipate!! Nothing to see here Looky Lous!! Move Along!! Destroy the thread, send posters looking for an exit to divert attention from any and all relevant content in the article.

That is something Original_Intent would write as a result of his personal reviews of our exchanges and particularly his caricature of my remarcks.

But I have never stated any that silliness anywhere. But go ahead and repeat someone else as opposed to making your own mind up and speaking for yourself.

"The Tea Party represents the true green shoots of a reclaimed America, let us not block it's sunlight while it is still taking roots." -- Flintlock, circa 2010-11-06 13:51:43 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-11-15   14:37:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: buckeroo (#28)

You said this:

Yes, "You" meaning me, not Original Intent or anybody else.

I have no desire to track down the threads that contain your responses Buck. I stand by statement and have made up my own mind which, as I clearly stated, was intended to keep it real around here, not hurt your feelings. : )

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-11-15   14:42:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: buckeroo (#27)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-11-15   14:49:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: abraxas (#29)

I stand by statement and have made up my own mind

You are in TOTAL error.

Ignore long term data!! GMO is good!! The Gulf is fine!! Chemtrail is water vapor that doesn't dissipate!! Nothing to see here Looky Lous!! Move Along!! Destroy the thread, send posters looking for an exit to divert attention from any and all relevant content in the article.

Those attributes of your quote is reading Original_Intent's take; he says that sort of shit because he can't support his own thesis time after time after time so he goes on an offensive. It clearly shows you can't read and you don't have a memory worth anything other than silliness and you can't stand on your own legs to voice a personal opinion. Moreover, you are too fucking lazy to back-up or substantiate your suggestion with any hard quotes anywhere or anytime. You are a pathetic poster.

"The Tea Party represents the true green shoots of a reclaimed America, let us not block it's sunlight while it is still taking roots." -- Flintlock, circa 2010-11-06 13:51:43 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-11-15   14:51:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: buckeroo (#31)

It clearly shows you can't read and you don't have a memory worth anything other than silliness and you can't stand on your own legs to voice a personal opinion. Moreover, you are too fucking lazy to back-up or substantiate your suggestion with any hard quotes anywhere or anytime. You are a pathetic poster.

lol........tad bit defensive Bucky?

This post is precisely why I will not waste any time to "substantiate" my suggestions regarding your posts and posting history on the topics indicated. You are welcome to your opinion of me and your post simply substantiates my opinion of your posting history. Have a nice day Bucky!!

xoxoxox

fucking lazy, illiterate, memory impaired, opinion less pathetic poster : )

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-11-15   14:59:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Turtle (#0)

and also gets me a quart of oil

Very similiar to the Toyota Corolla... lol

From Blank Cheque Ireland... to Bounced Cheque Ireland.

irishthatcherite  posted on  2010-11-15   15:01:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Eric Stratton (#30)

But my thinking is that w/ a new tranny, when the engine goes, why not simply buy a new/used engine and essentially a new lease on life re: the truck.

Sounds like you are half-way there already; assuming, I interpret your statement correctly.

"The Tea Party represents the true green shoots of a reclaimed America, let us not block it's sunlight while it is still taking roots." -- Flintlock, circa 2010-11-06 13:51:43 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-11-15   16:17:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: abraxas (#32)

abraxas (referring to herself) "fucking lazy, illiterate, memory impaired, opinion less pathetic poster"

Well you got something right. So that's a good start on your road to recovery.

"The Tea Party represents the true green shoots of a reclaimed America, let us not block it's sunlight while it is still taking roots." -- Flintlock, circa 2010-11-06 13:51:43 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-11-15   16:20:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Turtle (#0)

I Find Three Bottle Caps and a Rusty Nail

Sounds like the title of an unreleased Patsy Cline song....

__________________________________________________________
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?"

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2010-11-15   16:23:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: buckeroo (#35)

Lol....no Buck, just signing off as you have painted me with some hugs and kisses. It's pathetic that you can't even own up to your own adjectives and bullshit used to describe other posters. Of course, I'm not the least bit surprised by that as I've come to expect it from you. : )

Unlike you, I actually think it's okay for you to have such unsavory opinions, even about me. I don't get all upset and defensive over such Internet idiocy. I'll leave the flowery and overly emotional diatribes to you Bucky. You seem to have a knack for it.

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-11-15   16:28:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: buckeroo (#34)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-11-15   16:35:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Eric Stratton (#38)

Halfway to where?

I think you said that you have already replaced the transmission which is a major job.

But my thinking is that w/ a new tranny, when the engine goes, why not simply buy a new/used engine and essentially a new lease on life re: the truck.

A good value is to consider a rebuilt engine (evaluate a new engine but that may not be possible since you have an 11 year old truck) with some of the earlier features you have (power steering pump replaced and all that other stuff).

"The Tea Party represents the true green shoots of a reclaimed America, let us not block it's sunlight while it is still taking roots." -- Flintlock, circa 2010-11-06 13:51:43 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-11-15   18:49:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: abraxas (#37)

I don't get all upset and defensive over such Internet idiocy.

That's very good .... you get an overall grade of FAILURE, however because you can't support or otherwise substantiate your earlier post as I already explained.

"The Tea Party represents the true green shoots of a reclaimed America, let us not block it's sunlight while it is still taking roots." -- Flintlock, circa 2010-11-06 13:51:43 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-11-15   18:53:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: buckeroo (#39)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-11-15   18:57:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Eric Stratton, farmfriend (#41)

Maybe I'll get 400K outta this one.

That would be cool and a testament to maintaining your own vehicle.

I have several cars; my 2002 Jeep Grand Cherokee has 90K miles on it and runs like a top; the engine is always clean; every 6 months I pressure clean the engine and the undercarriage. I maintain it myself with the exception of areas that I consider too complicated or requiring specialized tools but for general maintenance I do ALL the work.

I have found that most repair shops don't do as they say.... as minor as an oil change: they don't perform the work at all or they over-tighten the oil filter or they over-tighten the oil plug or the oil is not as ordered such as a synthetic blend . This is irritating because I have to take the car back and I don't like corrective action based on negligence or poor workmanship. Similarly, with the auto dealer service center.... a total ripoff. I shall be brief, but let me cite two examples with a Jeep dealer (the place I purchased the car) :

1) For a tune up (all they really do is change the plugs) they want over two hundred bucks. Forget that... in the Jeep, the plugs are easy to get to based on the coil rack and for 12 bucks I can do it in about one-half of an hour.

2) Intermittent problems: they can't solve or you have to continuously take the vehicle back for another "diagnostic" (ad infinitum) .... the Jeep's engine light went on about 60,000 miles and after paying over 500 bucks for nothing but wasted time and energy... over 2,000 miles later, I decided to look into it myself. I am not a mechanic so I purchased a Haynes book on the vehicle and identified the systems that could cause it. It turned out to be the Throttle Positioning Sensor (TPS) and although inexperienced at performing the work, I replaced the part (and only that one part) for about 30 bucks after 2 hours of actual work. I suppose a skilled expert could have performed the work faster but that's OK because I take notes on what I remove and disconnect and ensure every bolt, nut and connections are properly replaced by continuous review.

In conjunction with the Haynes Repair Manual I performed general Internet searches to collaborate the suspicious issue based on the error codes (OBD) that most vehicles have today.... and VOILA! I fixed the issue ... no mechanics and no further grief.

If Farmfriend can read her OBD code on her car, I wager we can track the problem down faster than some suggestion she already thinks some sort of engine overhaul. We shall see.

"The Tea Party represents the true green shoots of a reclaimed America, let us not block it's sunlight while it is still taking roots." -- Flintlock, circa 2010-11-06 13:51:43 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-11-15   19:41:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Eric Stratton (#24)

As long as the suspension is good, no problems with the transmission or drive train, and no major corrosion in the wheel wells I'd for a new engine. It's cheaper than a new vehicle and with proper maintenance good for another 150,000 miles at least.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-11-15   19:52:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Eric Stratton (#41)

Another thought - tow yard auctions. Look for a vehicle with a compatible engine and if the mileage, and engine, look good - regardless of the appearance bid on it and see if you can get it for a decent price. A low mileage with a crummy appearance is a good prospect since a lot of the bidders are car lots and they want something that they can sell.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-11-15   19:57:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: buckeroo (#40)

you get an overall grade of FAILURE, however because you can't support or otherwise substantiate your earlier post as I already explained.

Don't confuse can't with won't, Buck. Why waste my time? Not for a string of insults and an overly dramatic response to a little friendly kidding around with you.

Here's a better idea--why don't you ping me when your off the rag or when/if your Midol kicks in. : )

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-11-15   20:06:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: abraxas (#45)

Here's a better idea--why don't you ping me when your off the rag or when/if your Midol kicks in. : )

Now thats a kicker below the belt...hehehehehehehehehe

Cynicom  posted on  2010-11-15   20:19:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: abraxas (#45)

Why waste my time?

To educate yourself on an obvious and absurd bias that you have. It is down-right false and factually incorrect. You have taken a caricature that Original_Intent blends in his rebuttals to my posts as though I make them. Go do you own research, gal.... I have no reason to lie, cheat or steal your precious time; the equipment for posting verification is built-in to the 4um website; you just have to use it.

"The Tea Party represents the true green shoots of a reclaimed America, let us not block it's sunlight while it is still taking roots." -- Flintlock, circa 2010-11-06 13:51:43 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-11-15   20:20:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: buckeroo (#47)

What part of the instructions are you having a hard time understanding, Buck?

Let me repeat: Why don't you ping me when your off the rag or when/if your Midol kicks in. : )

Obviously you're still bloated,crampy, and irritable. lol Give the complaining, sniveling and bloviating a rest until the medicine kicks in.

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-11-15   20:33:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: abraxas (#48)

I am tired of you. You NEVER post anything of value or worth in opinion and you have proven to me that you masquerade yourself in silly, ridiculous bullshit which you can't prove and when asked to support your own contentions you side-step the issue with more bullshit.

Don't post to me.

"The Tea Party represents the true green shoots of a reclaimed America, let us not block it's sunlight while it is still taking roots." -- Flintlock, circa 2010-11-06 13:51:43 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-11-15   20:43:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: buckeroo (#49)

Wah! Inserting whining and sniveling rant here.

Don't post to me.

lol....let call a wambulance to carry you away Bucky. You have tired yourself out getting all emotional and dramatic over a little joking on the Internet.

hehehehehe

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-11-15   20:49:34 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: buckeroo (#49)

We interupt this round of sniveling and whining with a fantastic book offer just for Buckeroo......

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-11-15   20:51:36 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: buckeroo (#49)

Act now, Buckeroo, and we will throw in another fantastic book ABSOLUTELY FREE...just send $15.99 shipping and handling for both of the fantastic anti- whining self-help books for your library....

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"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-11-15   20:54:30 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: buckeroo (#49)

lol...don't ping me bro!

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-11-15   23:30:58 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: buckeroo (#42)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-11-16   0:13:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Original_Intent (#43)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-11-16   0:13:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Original_Intent (#44)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-11-16   0:14:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: buckeroo (#42)

If Farmfriend can read her OBD code on her car, I wager we can track the problem down faster than some suggestion she already thinks some sort of engine overhaul. We shall see.

You can do a search on me anytime!


Tough women come from New York, sweet women from Texas, prissy women from Southern California, but we NORTHERN CALIFORNIA WOMEN have fire & ice in our blood. We can ride 4-wheelers, be a princess, throw a left hook, pack heat, hunt with the men, bake a cake, love with passion, and if we have an opinion, you know you're going to hear it!!

farmfriend  posted on  2010-11-16   0:24:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: Eric Stratton, farmfriend (#54)

Thanks for that post.

You are welcome, Eric.

Yeah, I agree, and you can go to the local auto parts shop and they usually have a diagnostic scanner that they'll loan you or simply run the check for you for free.

I have never performed that method and for many reasons, too. But let me say this, since the OBD codes are pre-existing within the vehicle's on-board computer diagnostics memory, it is safe to say you may not require someone else to verify the codes with some sort of pricey equipment and as a result manifest an expert opinion. This is an added plus to doing your own maintenance without outside experts throwing opinions around that often go nowhere.

You shouldn't require specialized OBD equipment to diagnose your vehicle OBD error codes if the engine light turns on. In the case of the 2002 Jeep that I have discussed, the error codes are illuminated through the odometer LED viewing port, if AND only if, after three successive turn-on/off ignition cycles with the car key. All of the codes are slowly and sequentially displayed (the process loops forever until you turn off the ignition switch) so that you can write them down for later analysis and remedial corrective action.

The Haynes Repair Manual doesn't list all the OBD codes in my case. So, I found them at several authoritative websites after a Internet searches. Those same results can then be used for further Internet searches within hundreds of forums around the world. You would be amazed at how collaborative the Internet is towards serious problems/solutions without a lot of sarcasm such as on 4um.

The Haynes Repair Manual is just a starting point for me. I don't regard it as an authoritative vehicle manual; I could easily do that by purchasing the manufacturer's original service/repair manual(s). With the Haynes Repair Manual, I have the nomenclature of the various systems of and about the vehicle that I am interested in at my fingertips. That is all I need for those further Internet searches that don't work with... "why is my engine light on" ..... which can take trillions of hours to diagnose over the Internet. Indeed, the Haynes Repair Manual is just a starting point; it is nothing more than a reference for further discussion as it introduces the proper nomenclature of would otherwise be called a "thingy" or a "doo-dad" or a "whacha-might-call-it".

And that is important to note, too. The OBD code system is just about your vehicle emissions system. It is worthless for many other issues.

Still, the goal is to put you in complete control of your own decisions; not a salesman, not a mechanic and not some "hick" throwing beer cans out of a truck (as this thread started out). By exercising that same informative control based on solid data you save time money and grief ... irrespective of your own decision.

If you have owned your vehicle since it was new then you also know how it has been operated and maintained and this very same history ensures a method of added value towards your existing truck particularly if you have operated the vehicle in other than harsh conditions and ensured regular maintenance.

For Farmfriend, she should find the exact OBD codes that are illuminating her "engine light." It could be a separate issue altogether other than excessive oil consumption. More than that, without repairing that same condition of the "engine light" she won't be able to easily sell the vehicle as the new owner MUST pass the state emissions tests and diagnostics so the good old days of kicking a lemon to someone is over unless the vehicle is given away for free.

"The Tea Party represents the true green shoots of a reclaimed America, let us not block it's sunlight while it is still taking roots." -- Flintlock, circa 2010-11-06 13:51:43 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-11-16   12:12:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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