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Title: Scientists propose one-way trips to Mars
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Arizona Republic, Associated Press
URL Source: http://www.azcentral.com/news/artic ... 20101115mars-one-way-trip.html
Published: Nov 15, 2010
Author: Associated Press
Post Date: 2010-11-15 11:45:33 by Red Jones
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Scientists propose one-way trips to Mars Nov. 15, 2010 07:03 AM Associated Press PULLMAN, Wash. - Invoking the spirit of "Star Trek" in a scholarly article entitled "To Boldly Go," two scientists contend human travel to Mars could happen much more quickly and cheaply if the missions are made one-way. They argue that it would be little different from early settlers to North America, who left Europe with little expectation of return. "The main point is to get Mars exploration moving," said Dirk Schulze-Makuch of Washington State University, who wrote the article in the latest "Journal of Cosmology" with Paul Davies of Arizona State University. The colleagues state - in one of 55 articles in the issue devoted to exploring Mars - that humans must begin colonizing another planet as a hedge against a catastrophe on Earth. Mars is a six-month flight away, possesses surface gravity, an atmosphere, abundant water, carbon dioxide and essential minerals. They propose the missions start by sending two two-person teams, in separate ships, to Mars. More colonists and regular supply ships would follow. The technology already exists, or is within easy reach, they wrote. An official for NASA said the space agency envisions manned missions to Mars in the next few decades, but that the planning decidedly involves round trips. President Obama informed NASA last April that he "'believed by the mid-2030s that we could send humans to orbit Mars and safely return them to Earth. And that a landing would soon follow,' " said agency spokesman Michael Braukus. No where did Obama suggest the astronauts be left behind. "We want our people back," Braukus said. Retired Apollo 14 astronaut Ed Mitchell, who walked on the Moon, was also critical of the one-way idea. "This is premature," Mitchell wrote in an e-mail. "We aren't ready for this yet." Davies and Schulze-Makuch say it's important to realize they're not proposing a "suicide mission." "The astronauts would go to Mars with the intention of staying for the rest of their lives, as trailblazers of a permanent human Mars colony," they wrote, while acknowledging the proposal is a tough sell for NASA, with its intense focus on safety. They think the private sector might be a better place to try their plan. "What we would need is an eccentric billionaire," Schulze-Makuch said. "There are people who have the money to put this into reality." Indeed, British tycoon Richard Branson, PayPal founder Elon Musk and Amazon.com Inc. CEO Jeff Bezos are among the rich who are involved in private space ventures. Isolated humans in space have long been a staple of science fiction movies, from "Robinson Crusoe on Mars" to "2001: A Space Odyssey" to a flurry of recent movies such as "Solaris" and "Moon." In many of the plots, the lonely astronauts fall victim to computers, madness or aliens. Psychological profiling and training of the astronauts, plus constant communication with Earth, will reduce debilitating mental strains, the two scientists said. "They would in fact feel more connected to home than the early Antarctic explorers," according to the article. But the mental health of humans who spent time in space has been extensively studied. Depression can set in, people become irritated with each other, and sleep can be disrupted, the studies have found. The knowledge that there is no quick return to Earth would likely make that worse. Davies is a physicist whose research focuses on cosmology, quantum field theory, and astrobiology. He was an early proponent of the theory that life on Earth may have come from Mars in rocks ejected by asteroid and comet impacts. Schulze-Makuch works in the Earth Sciences department at WSU and is the author of two books about life on other planets. His focus is eco-hydrogeology, which includes the study of water on planets and moons of our solar system and how those could serve as a potential habitat for microbial life. The peer-reviewed Journal of Cosmology covers astronomy, astrobiology, Earth sciences and life. Schulze-Makuch and Davies contend that Mars has abundant resources to help the colonists become self-sufficient over time. The colony should be next to a large ice cave, to provide shelter from radiation, plus water and oxygen, they wrote. They believe the one-way trips could start in two decades. "You would send a little bit older folks, around 60 or something like that," Schulze-Makuch said, bringing to mind the aging heroes who save the day in "Space Cowboys." That's because the mission would undoubtedly reduce a person's lifespan, from a lack of medical care and exposure to radiation. That radiation would also damage human reproductive organs, so sending people of childbearing age is not a good idea, he said. There have been seniors in space, including John Glenn, who was 77 when he flew on the space shuttle in 1998. Still, Schulze-Makuch believes many people would be willing to make the sacrifice. The Mars base would offer humanity a "lifeboat" in the event Earth becomes uninhabitable, they said. "We are on a vulnerable planet," Schulze-Makuch said. "Asteroid impact can threaten us, or a supernova explosion. If we want to survive as a species, we have to expand into the solar system and likely beyond." Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2010/11/15/20101115mars-one-way-trip.html#ixzz15N11VRFj
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#1. To: Red Jones, Cynicom (#0)
I figure we could populate Mars with old geezers. If they don't survive, just less strain on Social Securiy, Medicare, etc.
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"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin
If you used a Project Orion ship we could sent them 100,000 at a time.
"If ever this vast country is brought under a single government, it will be one of the most extensive corruption, indifferent and incapable of a wholesome care over so wide a spread of surface. This will not be borne, and you will have to choose between reform and revolution. If I know the spirit of this country, the one or the other is inevitable." - Thomas Jefferson
I'm in ... how much is it ?
"Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Revere God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man".
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin
Throw in Salma Hayek and I will pay my own way. hehehehehe
You have to be the eternal (hahaha-pun intended) optimist. By the way, Cyni - most everyone on the passenger manifest will either be Jews or Zionazi colluders !
"Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Revere God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man".
When I'm done with her I'll put her on a bus to you, COD.
"If ever this vast country is brought under a single government, it will be one of the most extensive corruption, indifferent and incapable of a wholesome care over so wide a spread of surface. This will not be borne, and you will have to choose between reform and revolution. If I know the spirit of this country, the one or the other is inevitable." - Thomas Jefferson
Nonsense, more turtlic drivel.
Look at it this way NO, at my age, with Salma, I would not survive the trip, so who cares. hehehehehehehehehehe
You just made that up!
"If ever this vast country is brought under a single government, it will be one of the most extensive corruption, indifferent and incapable of a wholesome care over so wide a spread of surface. This will not be borne, and you will have to choose between reform and revolution. If I know the spirit of this country, the one or the other is inevitable." - Thomas Jefferson
Did not, I use in all the time in describing my disdain for turtles.
In that case maybe we could kidnap Salma (or a blow up doll) and buy you a Japanese zero - shorter trip that might be more productive. Fly united !
"Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Revere God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man".
You just made that up! Did not, I use in all the time in describing my disdain for turtles. You still made it up. I: have decided it means, "the greatness of Turtle."
"If ever this vast country is brought under a single government, it will be one of the most extensive corruption, indifferent and incapable of a wholesome care over so wide a spread of surface. This will not be borne, and you will have to choose between reform and revolution. If I know the spirit of this country, the one or the other is inevitable." - Thomas Jefferson
gotcha... If you check the lexicon of the ancients it is there. Seems they had a dislike for turtles way back then. they tried turtle soup but that never went over with the masses. bitter tase in ones mouth, Patoooieee.
"And that completes my final report until we reach touchdown. We're now on full automatic, in the hands of the computers. I have tucked my crew in for the long sleep and I'll be joining them soon. In less than an hour, we'll finish our sixth month out of Cape Kennedy. Six months in deep space - by our time, that is. According to Dr. Haslein's theory of time, in a vehicle travelling nearly the speed of light, the Earth has aged nearly 700 years since we left it, while we've aged hardly at all. Maybe so. This much is probably true - the men who sent us on this journey are long since dead and gone. You who are reading me now are a different breed - I hope a better one. I leave the 20th century with no regrets. But one more thing - if anybody's listening, that is. Nothing scientific. It's purely personal. But seen from out here everything seems different. Time bends. Space is boundless. It squashes a man's ego. I feel lonely. That's about it. Tell me, though. Does man, that marvel of the universe, that glorious paradox who sent me to the stars, still make war against his brother? Keep his neighbor's children starving?" -George Taylor (Charlton Heston) Planet of the Apes, 1968. "Imagine me needing someone. Back on Earth I never did. Oh, there were women. Lots of women. Lots of love-making but no love. You see, that was the kind of world we'd made. So I left, because there was no one to hold me there." - George Taylor (Charlton Heston) Planet of the Apes, 1968.
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#2. To: Red Jones (#0)
#3. To: Turtle (#1)
#4. To: Red Jones (#0)
#5. To: ghostdogtxn (#3)
The cost of sending there would far outweigh any savings in maintaining them
#6. To: Eric Stratton (#4)
Let's send the bankers and Congress!
#7. To: noone222 (#6)
#8. To: Turtle (#1)
I figure we could populate Mars with old geezers. If they don't survive, just less strain on Social Securiy, Medicare, etc.
#9. To: Cynicom (#8)
Throw in Salma Hayek and I will pay my own way. hehehehehe
#10. To: Cynicom (#8)
Throw in Salma Hayek and I will pay my own way. hehehehehe
#11. To: Turtle (#10)
When I'm done with her I'll put her on a bus to you, COD.
#12. To: noone222 (#9)
By the way, Cyni - most everyone on the passenger manifest will either be Jews or Zionazi colluders !
#13. To: Cynicom (#11)
turtlic
#14. To: Turtle (#13)
You just made that up!
#15. To: Cynicom (#12)
Look at it this way NO, at my age, with Salma, I would not survive the trip, so who cares. hehehehehehehehehehe
#16. To: Cynicom (#14)
#17. To: Turtle (#16)
You still made it up.
#18. To: Red Jones, All (#0)
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?"
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
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