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Title: The Way Spaceships Should Have Been
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Published: Nov 15, 2010
Author: YouTube
Post Date: 2010-11-15 12:07:11 by Turtle
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Views: 377
Comments: 14


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Project Orion. Every model built has worked.

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#1. To: Turtle (#0)

I wonder if it is a nuclear powered one? Just the way it propels itself, I've heard of that method before - a spacecraft being propelled by external nuclear explosions. Anyway, it doesn't specify how the external explosions occur in the above clip.

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irishthatcherite  posted on  2010-11-15   12:17:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: irishthatcherite (#1)

I wonder if it is a nuclear powered one?

They would be powered by nuclear bombs.

This is they it should be. Weight would not be a problem.

"If ever this vast country is brought under a single government, it will be one of the most extensive corruption, indifferent and incapable of a wholesome care over so wide a spread of surface. This will not be borne, and you will have to choose between reform and revolution. If I know the spirit of this country, the one or the other is inevitable." - Thomas Jefferson

Turtle  posted on  2010-11-15   12:20:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Turtle (#2)

They would be powered by nuclear bombs.

This is they it should be. Weight would not be a problem.

True, the extreme weight of Uranium or some other heavy radioactive element would be far outweighed by the sheer power generated.

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irishthatcherite  posted on  2010-11-15   12:35:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Turtle (#0) (Edited)

I recall the old Poul Anderson novel, Orion Shall Rise.

I have about fifteen other Anderson novels in txt format but somehow seem to have missed collecting this one, generally considered one of his best.

TooConservative  posted on  2010-11-15   12:43:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: irishthatcherite (#1)

I wonder if it is a nuclear powered one? Just the way it propels itself, I've heard of that method before - a spacecraft being propelled by external nuclear explosions. Anyway, it doesn't specify how the external explosions occur in the above clip.

The way it was envisioned in Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle's book "Footfall" was a large semi-sperical shield under the ship and then the bombs ejected like pellets to explode and propel the ship forward.

However, as fancy as it looks at first glance it is still a primitive reaction driven spacecraft. Not very elegant.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-11-15   13:13:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: TooConservative (#4)

I like Nicolas Van Rijn and Flandry. Although Flandry really is a bit of a wanker.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-11-15   13:14:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Original_Intent (#5)

was a large semi-sperical shield under the ship and then the bombs ejected like pellets to explode and propel the ship forward.

I see, thanks.

From Blank Cheque Ireland... to Bounced Cheque Ireland.

irishthatcherite  posted on  2010-11-15   13:31:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Original_Intent (#5)

The way it was envisioned in Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle's book "Footfall" was a large semi-sperical shield under the ship and then the bombs ejected like pellets to explode and propel the ship forward.

I just noticed I happen to have this in an ebook archive. I might have to finally read it. Thanks.

TooConservative  posted on  2010-11-15   15:14:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Turtle (#0)

Wasn't one of the ships in Heinlein's novels powered this way? A Torch Ship? Can't remember.

echo5sierra  posted on  2010-11-15   15:20:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: TooConservative (#8)

You're welcome. It's a good read. You'll notice Robert Heinlein showing up as a character in the book, but I won't give away how and where.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-11-15   18:36:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: echo5sierra, IrishThatcherite (#9)

Wasn't one of the ships in Heinlein's novels powered this way? A Torch Ship? Can't remember.

A "Torch Ship" is a different mechanism. It is still a reaction drive i.e., relies upon mass ejected outward to propel the ship forward, but the basic idea is a superheated nozzle, with a fusion reactor, and then hydrogen (or water, or any other reaction mass) is injected into the supeheated nozzle where it reacts and is ejected out the "torch" as a high speed ejected plasma to propel the ship forward.

An ion drive is the same general idea but instead relies on ejecting a stream of energetic particles from the rear of the vessel. While prototypes have been built, and I think a couple of long range probes have used an ion drive, it is of limited utility because it just does not generate enough thrust. Even the most advanced designs are still well under a tenth of a "G" of acceleration. Older designs about 1/100th G.

Most all of the existing designs are some form of mass reaction drive that relies upon basically throwing stuff out the rear to propel the ship forward.

There have been rumors that at least partial anti-gravity has been achieved in the black budget world, and even hints that we are beyond that and actually have the technology already existing to build a starship, but that the spooks, who are chronically psychotic control freaks, have it bottled up under so many layers of security that it would take an atomic crowbar to break it free into the light of day.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-11-15   18:49:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Original_Intent (#11)

An ion drive is the same general idea but instead relies on ejecting a stream of energetic particles from the rear of the vessel. While prototypes have been built, and I think a couple of long range probes have used an ion drive, it is of limited utility because it just does not generate enough thrust. Even the most advanced designs are still well under a tenth of a "G" of acceleration. Older designs about 1/100th G.

There was one probe I know of that used ion propulsion, and while the thrust is indeed very weak, the advantage is that the speed of the emitted ions is far greater than the speed of traditional liquid propellant upon burning, which makes ion thrust propulsion far more efficient than liquid fuel. (I.e. a pound of ion fuel can (when eventually expended) accelerate a space craft to a much higher speed than a pound of liquid fuel.

I'm sure you're probably aware of that OI, but thought I'd toss it out for others...

Pinguinite  posted on  2010-11-15   21:05:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Pinguinite (#12)

Thanks.

I know when the newer more powerful design first became public there was some talk about using it for a "space to space" expedition to Mars. You could then use some sort of a "Lander" which could take a crew to the surface and back up to the orbiting main ship. However, given the way NASA and Malin Space Sciences have been fudging, air brushing, and otherwise altering photographs of anomalous structures on the surface I don't think they want us to go there as it does not suit the agenda of those in control. When your goal is a Platonic "Ant Hive" disturbing the ants is a no-no as they might do things not in the "program".

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-11-15   21:40:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: TooConservative (#8)

The way it was envisioned in Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle's book "Footfall" was a large semi-sperical shield under the ship and then the bombs ejected like pellets to explode and propel the ship forward.

I just noticed I happen to have this in an ebook archive. I might have to finally read it. Thanks.

Also try Pournelle's "King David's Spaceship."

"If ever this vast country is brought under a single government, it will be one of the most extensive corruption, indifferent and incapable of a wholesome care over so wide a spread of surface. This will not be borne, and you will have to choose between reform and revolution. If I know the spirit of this country, the one or the other is inevitable." - Thomas Jefferson

Turtle  posted on  2010-11-16   13:30:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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