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Title: TSA Administrative Directive: Opt-Outters To Be Considered “Domestic Extremists”
Source: Poorrrichard's Blog
URL Source: http://poorrichards-blog.blogspot.c ... inistrative-directive-opt.html
Published: Nov 28, 2010
Author: Mac Slavo
Post Date: 2010-11-28 01:33:37 by Original_Intent
Keywords: TSA, Gestapo, Stasi, Sekurity
Views: 1051
Comments: 84

If the information recently acquired by Doug Hagmann of Northeast Intelligence Network is accurate, then something really big is happening in America right now - and it’s most certainly not a step towards individual liberty.

According to Mr. Hagmann, he was contacted by a source within the DHS who provided an alarming memo detailing a new administrative directive agreed upon by DHS chief Janet Napolitano and the head of TSA John Pistole. The memo, according to Doug Hagmann, “officially addresses those who are opposed to, or engaged in the disruption of the implementation of the enhanced airport screening procedures as ‘domestic extremists’.”

The memo leaves no doubt as to who, exactly, is leading the charge to label Americans who refuse current security measures due to health and privacy concerns as extremists. “The measures to be taken in response to the negative public backlash as detailed [in this directive], have the full support of the President,” it says.

Under the new labeling procedures, those who choose to opt-out or are perceived as being troublemakers will be detained, questioned and processed for further investigation:

The terminology contained within the reported memo is indeed troubling. It labels any person who “interferes” with TSA airport security screening procedure protocol and operations by actively objecting to the established screening process, “including but not limited to the anticipated national opt-out day” as a “domestic extremist.” The label is then broadened to include “any person, group or alternative media source” that actively objects to, causes others to object to, supports and/or elicits support for anyone who engages in such travel disruptions at U.S. airports in response to the enhanced security procedures.

For individuals who engaged in such activity at screening points, it instructs TSA operations to obtain the identities of those individuals and other applicable information and submit the same electronically to the Homeland Environment Threat Analysis Division, the Extremism and Radicalization branch of the Office of Intelligence & Analysis (IA) division of the Department of Homeland Security.

The United States government, under complete control and direction of our elected President, is now actively labeling anyone who exercises their 4th amendment Constitutional right which protects against warrantless and unreasonable searches and seizures as, essentially, engaging in terrorism as defined by Section 802 of the USA Patriot Act:

Section 802 [USA Patriot Act]

(a) DOMESTIC TERRORISM DEFINED- Section 2331 of title 18, United States Code, is amended– ‘(5) the term `domestic terrorism’ means activities that– ‘(B) appear to be intended– ‘(i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; ‘(ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or

Though it may seem a broad interpretation, the definitions for domestic terrorism are very vague, allowing for a variety of views depending on who happens to be making the decisions. The very fact that TSA is allegedly going to label opt-out travelers as ‘domestic extremists’ suggest that they are, by today’s standards, considered no different than terrorists - and thus - may have their Constitutional rights stripped and be held without trial. In a previous article we discussed Matt Kernan, who may have found a Constitutional argument that works to avoid enhanced security in the airport. But, what if the-powers-that-be determined, by whatever vague definition, that the Constitution doesn’t apply?

With the outrage from American travelers and the pressure being put on corporate profits, the President and TSA may eventually change their tune. But if they don’t, then we can expect more intrusive checkpoints from our government in the very near future. Ms. Napolitano has already publicly stated that DHS is looking at other mass transit systems like buses and trains as the next target.

Something big is happening. And either the American people are going to force the change - starting with each individual making a personal decision to stand up against policies that can be described as nothing less than tyrannical - or the expansion of surveillance and control systems will continue to spread.

If the American people fail this time as we did with bailouts and healthcare, the end result will be backscatter machines in schools, malls, stadiums, and any other public venue which is deemed a security threat by our government.

Sources: Northeast Intelligence Network, Electronic Privacy Information Center

Author: Mac Slavo Date: November 24th, 2010 Visit the Author's Website: www.SHTFplan.com/


Poster Comment: Just to reiterate a point I've already made. It is the nature of a Police State attempting establish total control that any resistance is characterized derogatorily. Autocratic regimes of any kind cannot tolerate any sort of resistance to their dictats. The viewpoint being one established under fear and directed at control. That the desire for absolute control is psychotic is not seen by them. Psychotics, almost by definition, do not realize that they are psychotic. Control is not in and of itself bad it is what the control is used for that defines it as good or bad. Control to direct someone away from danger or onto a path that is in their best interest are examples of good control. Keeping a child from running out into a busy street would be another example. However, when the control is used to suppress people, keep them down, and use their energies to foul or destructive ends it can safely be defined as bad control. However, I digress. The point is that autocratic regimes, unlike free systems, cannot allow dissent because it is a questioning of their authority. If that dissent succeeds in reversing a policy or an action then those in control feel a diminishment of the power they are attempting to exercise.

The TSA's scanning and groping, whatever jokes we may make about it, is quite serious to them. It is the establishment of government as the Alpha authority and it is aimed at conditioning people to accept that authority without question. Thus they are going to make every effort to make this stick, because if the people succeed in forcing it back it empowers other acts of resistance to tyranny. Once people see that they can win and can force the controlling psychotics back that begins the erosion of their power over others which is just the opposite of what they are trying to do with this current exercise in tyranny via unreasonable search and seizure. They are in effect attempting to carve out an exception to the 4th Amendment rights enshrined in the Bill of Rights.

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#13. To: wudidiz (#11)

And that is what they were doing. Something changed though and they are feeling the need to speed up their program, which I predicted they would a couple of years ago back on El Pee, and because of that it is becoming obvious - except to the well conditioned dullards. That is why I say from here on out it gets interesting.

Well, I'm beginning to fall asleep in my chair. Time to call it a night. Take care.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-11-28   3:00:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Original_Intent (#13)

Goodnight, OI.


No Planes. Think about it. ................. Guaranteed Penetration (no it's not porn)

wudidiz  posted on  2010-11-28   3:03:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Original_Intent (#8)

I think it has a lot to do with the scanner manufacturer being a client of Michael Chertoff and quadrupling their lobbying in the past few years.

I suspect it is more a matter of Jerkoff knew what was going to happen and decided to capitalize on it.

Don't forget he's an ex-KGB Chief.

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2010-11-28   8:45:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#15)

TSA’s Zionist Food Chain

Itistoolate  posted on  2010-11-28   8:53:20 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Original_Intent (#15)

been meaning to post [not sure if it has been or not]:

Police State: Hutto – America’s Family Prison

By wmw_admin on November 23, 2010

Prototype for a nationwide system of concentration camps?

www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=15052

See also: Is Slavery Legal In America?

http://republicbroadcasting.org/?p=12186

America has ALWAYS been a slave colony. See The United States Is Still a British Colony at apfn.org . This is all so totally Biblical....Genesis 15:13-14/Galatians 3:16, 17....29. Ezekiel 38-39/Revelation 20:7-9/ The Thirteenth Tribe at biblebelievers.org / http://lordmayorshow.org/history/gogmagog / http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/re...ArtNum=126092&Disp=20#C20

I agree they are speeding up their plot; some Americans are waking up [Isaiah 52], and the Magogians want to finish the deal before they get thrown out on their ear: Galatians 4:21-31/Ezekiel 20:33-38.

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2010-11-28   9:10:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Original_Intent (#0)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-11-28   9:23:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Original_Intent (#0)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-11-28   9:25:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Original_Intent (#6)

Since airport screening seems to be continuously escalating the invasive search protocols, a big worry is where do they go from here? They also have no proof of the safety of full body scanners other than, "trust us we are the government". TSA agents will soon discover that they can increase clarity and resolution by increasing XRay intensity. If they can visualize testicles, they are irradiating them. No level of Xray exposure is safe.

octavia  posted on  2010-11-28   9:27:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#17)

www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=15052

Home / 404 Not Found


No Planes. Think about it. ................. Guaranteed Penetration (no it's not porn)

wudidiz  posted on  2010-11-28   9:27:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Original_Intent (#0)

Chilling article. When the would be lords and masters decide that the serfs and peons have no rights they can assert without being considered a terrorist or extremist---I don't know but to answer the famous question, It just may be time.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-11-28   9:34:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt, All (#21)

www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=15052

Home / 404 Not Found

redactednews.blogspot.com...utto-americas-family.html


No Planes. Think about it. ................. Guaranteed Penetration (no it's not porn)

wudidiz  posted on  2010-11-28   9:38:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Itistoolate (#16)

computer was running slowly...just came back to start watching it....re Talmudic/Zionist Jew Joe Lieberman....see NOACHIDE COURTS TO REPLACE OURS at cephas ministry.

"Come out of her, my people."

Micah 4: You will go even to Babylon [see THE ULTIMATE DELUSION by Stephen Ames, or short version, THE QUEEN CONTROLS AND HAS AMENDED US SOCIAL SECURITY at http://apfn.org - we are not under Law in ZOG, but under BABYLONIAN TALMUDIC statutes, or UCC CODE.]....Now many nations ["nation" : look it up in the Concordance. It is #1471 "goy", which can be translated Gentiles, Nations, or HEATHENS....they translate it to suit their purpose.] are gathered against you, and say LET HER BE DEFILED [CORRUPTED..porno-scanners/groping in our underwear] and LET OUR EYE LOOK UPON [or GLOAT OVER] ZION [ http://wnd.com The Enduring Legacy of the First Landing/Micah 4:1-2/Psalm 2:6].

It may not be their intent, but on top of their ZOG schools, government, media, and Hollyweird, they are FULFILLING THIS PROPHECY FOR CHRISTIAN AMERICA to the degree that God may be screaming at us to WAKE UP [Isaiah 52]. See Satan On Our Dollar at http://jesus-is-savior.com . The "mark of the Beast" and the Jewish six-pointed star are on the dollar and the US Great Seal, right over the [second] eagle's [Ezekiel 17:7-6/John 15:1-2/Matthew 15:13] head.

To the Jews who are with us, your hope is in Jesus, the God of the Old Testament, Isaiah 9:6-7/Isaiah 53:10.

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2010-11-28   10:01:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#24)

"HomeGrownNaziTerrorist"

Itistoolate  posted on  2010-11-28   10:05:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: wudidiz (#23)

really? did I type it wrong....or....I am not surprised....when I went to link to the News Story at another site the other day, IT SHUT DOWN MY COMPUTER....is thetruthseeker.co.uk still up? Try doing a search for Hutto....I am about ready to crash...Hutto is mentioned at the republicbroadcasting link...it may have been in one of the videos [the last one perhaps?]...save anything you find...damn....I wish I had saved thetruthseeker story.

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2010-11-28   10:09:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: wudidiz (#23)

www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=15052

Home / 404 Not Found

redactednews.blogspot.com...utto-americas-family.html

missed that ....does that mean it's there?

I have too much on my computer and don't dare try to pull it up....wish someone would post it...[hint]

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2010-11-28   10:12:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: wudidiz, All (#7)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-11-28   10:48:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: wudidiz (#12)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-11-28   10:49:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#15)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-11-28   10:50:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#24)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-11-28   10:53:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt, 4 (#26)

Lod  posted on  2010-11-28   11:55:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: All (#32)

good chertoff info -

www.rense.com/general77/chert.htm

Lod  posted on  2010-11-28   12:01:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Original_Intent (#1)

According to Mr. Hagmann, he was contacted by a source within the DHS who provided an alarming memo detailing a new administrative directive agreed upon by DHS chief Janet Napolitano and the head of TSA John Pistole. The memo, according to Doug Hagmann, “officially addresses those who are opposed to, or engaged in the disruption of the implementation of the enhanced airport screening procedures as ‘domestic extremists’.”

I hate to step on your toes, but where is the beef memo?

"The Tea Party represents the true green shoots of a reclaimed America, let us not block it's sunlight while it is still taking roots." -- Flintlock, circa 2010-11-06 13:51:43 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-11-28   12:09:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: octavia (#20)

Since airport screening seems to be continuously escalating the invasive search protocols, a big worry is where do they go from here? They also have no proof of the safety of full body scanners other than, "trust us we are the government". TSA agents will soon discover that they can increase clarity and resolution by increasing XRay intensity. If they can visualize testicles, they are irradiating them. No level of Xray exposure is safe.

Yes, I am still convinced this is part of a Psych regimen to "accustom" people to being treated as they would be in a full blown police state. It is boiling the frog slowly and the heat was just turned up.

As it stands from all the stuff circulating the next phase is to start putting Gestapo in Train Stations and Bus Terminals. After all we can't let the people too poor, or unwilling, to fly escape being treated like $#!t.

As for the scanners more and more questions from good sources are questioning the reactions to being irradiated with terahertz scanners. Scientists at UCSF are raising serious concern about the affects of excessive radiation from terahertz scanners.

And I have seen other reference to the effects in that statistically it is probable that rates of testicular and breast cancers will increase among the population subjected to the terahertz radiation. So, the health concerns would seem to be most definitely real. Of course our would-be masters and mistresses give not one whit of concern toward that thought. Higher mortality rates are likely desirable from their Agenda 21 perspective.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-11-28   13:08:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Original_Intent (#0)

i have no doubt that this report could be true, as govt always lists & derides dissenters. however theres not much power in such lists. first of all govt knows that if they screw with a 'troublemaker' too badly, it will go viral in moments or days, & liberty activits will rally the troops in a pr campaign to further discredit the govt. ive been on the tsa 'no fly list' for several years & unlike most, who rightly suspect theyre on it, i actually have the printed paper from the airline admitting it. i like the fact im on the list along with millions of other innocent americans, because like them im not a terrorist & have never even been charged, much less convicted of anything. so that discredits the whole charade. i often tell people that i am on the terrorist list, because it never fails to elicit an incredulous response from them. this is a valuable tool & i will then go into the foundational fraud of 9/11. i still fly, these lists dont prevent americans from flying. they usually dont even bother me at all

"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2010-11-28   17:40:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Original_Intent (#35)

i really like your in-depth analysis of the underlying reasons & agenda behind these scanners/groping. This is something that has been remiss among all the jokes, etc. you should put something together for widespread release on this topic.

"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2010-11-28   17:46:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Artisan (#36)

I suspect that the reality of the no-fly list is that it is not really a "no-fly" list so much as a disobedient serf tracking list.

There is a big push behind these scanners. Of course the Guffermint vill not say so openly but their real purpose is not security. It is to accustom the sheep to being poked, prodded, and needlessly harassed by Guffermint goons. And the function of that is to prepare us for the Police State they would like to install in place of our Constitutional Republic. Government inevitably, even under good stewardship which we do not have, grows like any living organism. It then goes from being a necessary evil to become a parasite that thinks it owns the host. And of course the real parasites pushing it are the Psychiatrists and their Money Men the Banksters.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-11-28   18:13:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Artisan (#37)

Thank you. I'll take that under advisement.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-11-28   18:15:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Original_Intent (#39)

you've already written it, i've seen your posts on various scanner threads the past week that are so spot-on & well explained that i wanted to pass it along to others, so that they will 'get it'. as usual i am aiming at those who aren't versed in all this. you have a classical talent to explain complex issues in a very important way. People need to really understand what is going on here, and what is at stake.

"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2010-11-28   18:33:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: wudidiz, *Post Of The Day* (#11)

very good & important post. thanks for that, & the link.

"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2010-11-28   18:36:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Artisan, Original_Intent (#37) (Edited)

i really like your in-depth analysis of the underlying reasons & agenda behind these scanners/groping. This is something that has been remiss among all the jokes, etc. you should put something together for widespread release on this topic.

I have been thinking that someone needs to do an article explaining what's wrong with the porn scanners and the groping from both a denial of rights point of view and also from the point of view of health issues in general. The porn scanners will probably be the cause, or a contributing factor, to some percentage of the flying public getting melanoma and other cancers. The groping with the same pair of gloves for who knows how many people can spread all kinds of diseases, some of which you didn't even talk about in "polite company" when I was a kid. The denial of rights, or the infringement of them, is no small issue either. As everyone who posts here knows, or should know, the contract you enter into when you purchase a plane ticket is with the airline, not the government. And government officials/lackeys have no right to subject anyone to unreasonable searches and seizures and/or to detain them without some probable cause. Those are the things I have been thinking about in regards to this absurd proposition that the government either has to have a porn picture of you or one of their agents gets to grope you before you can get on a plane.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-11-28   18:41:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: octavia (#20)

Since airport screening seems to be continuously escalating the invasive search protocols, a big worry is where do they go from here?

All major transportation authorities: rail, bus, shipyards, train and so forth.

They also have no proof of the safety of full body scanners other than, "trust us we are the government".

Not true. The US government has documented assurances from the vendors (Rapiscan and so forth) that the technology introduced has no effects at all and in fact produce less radiation than a 3 sec flight at a mile altitude.

As a result, just as with asbestos contamination used in government contracts decades ago, you can not bring suit to the US government. You shall have to do so with the businesses producing the technologies and products. Good luck! Normally they file bankruptcy real damned FAST.

TSA agents will soon discover that they can increase clarity and resolution by increasing XRay intensity. If they can visualize testicles, they are irradiating them. No level of Xray exposure is safe.

Nope. The second generation of invasion shall begin with gamma radiation transceiver methods which add clarity to the observation.

"The Tea Party represents the true green shoots of a reclaimed America, let us not block it's sunlight while it is still taking roots." -- Flintlock, circa 2010-11-06 13:51:43 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-11-28   18:56:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: James Deffenbach, eric stratton (#42)

very good points. i saw reference to a article which addresses constitutional arguments against the measures, but will have to find it. i think it may have even been in this thread(?). as i said earlier i was researching the 'backscatter' issue last week for the first time. after several hours of reading the enormity & monstrosity of it... literally satanic. straight from the pit of hell, all of this is. i nearly vomited for reals & was physically sick. this happens very seldom in my years of research- about 3 times in 10 years. yes we are in a world of trouble & this is all very disheartening & sad. I pray that the Lord Jesus Christ will grant us strength, hope & protection in the years to come.

"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2010-11-28   19:04:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Artisan (#44)

If someone started a thread and we all contributed something to it we could take the best stuff from the thread--hopefully about enough to cover three issues very well but short enough so that people with the attention span of a fruit fly can get through it before they get too bored. A good place to start might be with the info in this article. It's about the guy who refused to be scanned and never allowed them to grope him and they didn't threaten him with any fines, just wasted about two or three hours of his time. With that for the base of the article and covering the rights issues we could add info about how this fine technology they are so proud of will give an unknown number of people cancer (and even one is too many when it is just so much bs anyway). And then we could talk about the TSA agents spreading diseases by frisking people with the same gloves (plus the right to be free from being groped when there is no probable cause for the frisking/groping).

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-11-28   19:12:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: James Deffenbach (#45)

that's a great idea & youre very right about the attention span issue. articles, to be effective, must be cogent & brief. when i have more time i will be happy to work on that, if you or others dont do a final draft. thanks for the link. i thought they did threaten the san diego guy with fines. i haven't watched his videos yet.

"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2010-11-28   19:27:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Artisan (#46)

They did threaten Tyner (the "don't touch my junk" guy). This is a different guy, one arriving back in the states from a trip overseas. A very interesting article and shows the power of the word NO when someone says it and sticks to it.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-11-28   19:29:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: James Deffenbach, artisan (#47)

The key difference though is that he was arriving on an airliner not boarding one. Because he was disembarking he was presumptively already checked by security at the other end and he also has RIGHT to return to the U.S.. From the point of view of legality it is a totally different situation.

However, it does underscore another point that should be pulled out, and that is why are they scanning people coming OFF of airliners? Given that the presumption is that the people disembarking have already been checked then where on the plane would the supposed scary scary terrist' pick up anything of any concern to the Gestapo? And if they did why would they wait to use it until AFTER THEY ARE ALREADY OFF THE PLANE? This highlights that the scanners are not about security but about submission to the rule of arbitrary authority.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-11-28   19:41:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Original_Intent (#48)

Yes, a point I have made to some people in email. Where would he have gotten anything to be concerned about in the secure area of an airport and in a plane? Another point that can be used to show that it is not about safety but about control. But it seems to me that even if you are boarding a domestic flight the same rules apply. You are supposed to be free from unreasonable searches and seizures and no one has any right to put his hands on you uninvited. No one has any right to subject you to rays that they know, or should know, could very well give you cancer.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-11-28   19:47:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: James Deffenbach (#49)

But it seems to me that even if you are boarding a domestic flight the same rules apply. You are supposed to be free from unreasonable searches and seizures and no one has any right to put his hands on you uninvited.

You will get no argument from me. I agree that this crosses the 4th Amendment boundary line of unreasonable. I do believe it will be challenged in court, but the outcome is questionable given the level of corruption in the courts.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-11-28   19:52:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Original_Intent (#50)

I imagine that will be tested sooner or later. Hopefully sooner. And if the judges show themselves to be as worthless as most of us think they are it may wake up some more people. When they keep ignoring people's humble petitions, not for special favors, but just to be treated with some humanity and dignity, will that not light the fuse that will blow up in the faces of the oppressors?

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-11-28   19:57:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: James Deffenbach (#51)

I think this scanner issue may have already lit the fuse. TSA backed down so fast and cordoned off those scanners so quickly that is was a giveaway that they realized too late that they had set off a firestorm. Now they are trying to paper it over with volumes of propaganda - which will work on some of the Sheeple, but those newly woken from their daze may be a more difficult proposition. It is much harder to put the genie back in the bottle.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-11-28   20:26:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Original_Intent (#0)

"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
-Benjamin Franklin.

I keep reading opinions in the newspaper, and on the internet, of people who have no problem giving up their 4th amendment because it makes them feel safe.
A CBS poll says 81 percent of Americans support the use of the scanners.
A Washington Post poll say 64 percent support the scanners.
Only half of Americans think the pat downs go too far.
That's kind of scary.


Armadillo  posted on  2010-11-28   20:39:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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