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Title: U.S. troops kill man at Baghdad airport (Airport Employee Late For Work Drives Too Fast, Shot Dead By US Troops)
Source: CNN
URL Source: http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/m ... meast+%28RSS%3A+Middle+East%29
Published: Nov 28, 2010
Author: Mohammed Tawfeeq
Post Date: 2010-11-29 22:42:10 by Red Jones
Keywords: None
Views: 375
Comments: 31

U.S. troops kill man at Baghdad airport

By the CNN Wire Staff

Baghdad, Iraq (CNN) -- U.S. troops shot and killed an Iraqi man at Baghdad International Airport on Sunday morning, a U.S. military spokesman said.

A military convoy attempted to stop the man, who they spotted driving a vehicle at high speed on an airport road, Col. Barry Johnson said.

"The vehicle was perceived as a threat and a decision was made to engage it with small-arms fire in order to stop it and to protect the convoy from a possible attack," Johnson said.

The driver did not respond to U.S. hand signals before troops opened fire, he said.

Baghdad police said the man was an engineer working at the airport. They did not name him.

"We deeply regret that this action resulted in the death of an Iraqi who was driving the vehicle," Johnson said.

Authorities are investigating the incident, he said.

Also Sunday, one person was killed and seven people were wounded in three separate car bombings in the Iraqi capital.

CNN's Mohammed Tawfeeq in Baghdad contributed to this report.


Poster Comment:

It is interesting how they explain it. The convoy went out to stop him. He didn't stop. but they decided that because they couldn't stop him he was a threat to the convoy that approached him. and so they killed him. The guy probably didn't even know the convoy was trying to stop him. he was an airport employee.

The soldiers were doing 'nations business'. At night they will tell themselves that it is 'all in a days work'. Perhaps they will take drugs given to them by a military psychiatrist. Their consciences must be shut off by one means or another. They may get tired of this type of thing, get out of the military and become a police officer. Or they may stay for the whole 30 years and get a fantastic pension.

Either way. they work for an evil regime and do evil things.

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#1. To: Red Jones (#0)

Either way. they work for an evil regime and do evil things.

Laying the evil/blame at the feet of the grunts is the easy way out.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-11-29   22:51:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Cynicom (#1)

you're right. I wasn't really intending to judge them. but they're doing evil things still. I have mixed feelings for the troops. I don't support the mission. The soldiers are victims. but after they do evil for a while, then they will have to either figure it out or else they will disconnect their consciences, or they will have some serious delusions/psychoses.

Psalms 137:1 By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion.

Red Jones  posted on  2010-11-29   22:54:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Red Jones (#0)

The soldiers were doing 'nations business'. At night they will tell themselves that it is 'all in a days work'.

With car bombs going off all the time in Baghdad I can see why they would be concerned about a car speeding toward the airport. The guy should have just accepted that he was late and drove slower, it surely wasn't worth losing his life over.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2010-11-29   23:02:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Red Jones (#2)

I believe you have said you have or had family over there.

I had family, friends and neighbors, young and olde, none were ever "killers" until killing meant their own life.

People that demean the grunts, need to understand, if they were not "volunteers" we would have a draft, meaning children and grand children would be there instead of the volunteers.

Would we then demean our own as killers for doing the same thing??? Of course not.

As one goes up the military ladder, lay on the blame accordingly, it is the grunts that are bleeding, dying and trying to stay alive.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-11-29   23:04:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Cynicom (#4)

that is very reasonable.

the military presents a huge challenge to the people in it because the pay for many people is very good especially when you include the retirement checks and the lifetime health care if you make 20 years. For people that reach 30 years the pension is 75% of their pay when they leave. my brother's already got 35 in. my nephew is just starting.

The pay is good, but they must twist their minds to be happy. Some people can do it. some people can't.

either way it is not for me to judge them. That would be for the creator.

there are nice stories in the christian bible about how Jesus respected the roman soldiers as people who did a job. and even forgave the ones who killed him.

Psalms 137:1 By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion.

Red Jones  posted on  2010-11-29   23:10:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Cynicom (#4) (Edited)

I see things differently. I blame them exactly because they are volunteers. They chose this, they didn't have to. They chose to join knowing they would probably be fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan against people that never did anything to the USA. Just because they are stupid is not enough reason for me to give them a pass here. As far as I know the USA military still does not accept retards.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2010-11-29   23:11:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Red Jones (#5)

either way it is not for me to judge them.

Having been a grunt at one time, the lowest rung of the military is always the first to be blamed for the evil of this country.

The grunt has one concern, trying to stay alive. Yesterday six grunts were killed and I see no mention of that here, kids that only wanted to live to go home.

That is at least six families that will now bear a lifetime of grief for their lost ones.

Not a mention of their passing here on 4um, not a word.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-11-29   23:20:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Cynicom (#7)

Having been a grunt at one time, the lowest rung of the military is always the first to be blamed for the evil of this country.

First to be blamed by idiots, but otherwise no, they are not the first to be blamed. The President, Generals, and the Congress are blamed first, then the grunts are blamed when people have had enough of the damn needless slaughter and waste of money.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2010-11-29   23:24:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: RickyJ, *Post Of The Day* (#6)

As far as I know the USA military still does not accept retards

lol!

"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2010-11-29   23:33:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: RickyJ (#8)

The President, Generals, and the Congress are blamed first

Is there some reason to blame the grunts at all????

Do we see the coffins of any president, any generals etc on a weekly basis????

The cargo aircraft arriving weekly in DE, carry the bodies of, grunts, no one else.

Hating and or blaming the grunts has become a favorite past time for Americans, people that are in no way concerned. Present at a memorial service for a half dozen of your friends, gone in one day, has a lasting effect.

WE HIRE THEM TO KILL, so that our family does not need to dirty their lily white hands.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-11-29   23:38:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Red Jones (#2)

damn man. and i thought speed traps were bad. just think, if cops are told people with ron paul bumper stickers are terrorists, & a cop sees them speeding, maybe he will try to just kill them on the spot, to pertekt murika. yikes. on another note, usatoday had a story about the 'alarming' number of troops committing suicide. this is likely because as you said- they do wicked things & their conscience bothers them. instead of repenting & begging God for forgiveness, they commit yet another sin & destroy the life they've been blessed with.

"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2010-11-29   23:42:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Artisan (#11)

they do wicked things & their conscience bothers them. instead of repenting & begging God for forgiveness, they commit yet another sin & destroy the life they've been blessed with.

Art...

YOU and I hire them, pay them to kill.

Who has the greater SIN??????

Cynicom  posted on  2010-11-29   23:45:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Cynicom (#10)

you seem to be applying victim status to the troops. were the military guys killed at waco, or ruby ridge poor victims too? after all, they were just following orders. occupying foreign cities is foolhardy & dangerous task. ever see the film red dawn? were the ruskies taken out by the wolverines poor victims? we choose a path, consequences follow.

"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2010-11-29   23:51:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Artisan (#13)

you seem to be applying victim status to the troops. were the military guys killed at waco, or ruby ridge poor victims too?

Art...

Changing scenes is not in keeping with the thread. It is about the grunts in the ME.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-11-29   23:54:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Cynicom (#12)

i dont support these wars & my taxes are stolen by threat of force, so i have no direct say in the matter, unfortunately. i am not judging where the suicides go, as that is not my place. however, suicide is a serious sin & shows flawed judgement. just as serving as the grunt for an empire is bad judgement. i dont think these troops are as witless as you imply.

"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2010-11-29   23:58:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Artisan (#15)

. i dont think these troops are as witless as you imply.

Art...

I imply nothing.

I take my share of the blame for those men being over there, in the past having VOTED FOR the people that sent them.

Someone has to accept the responsibility for this corrupt government.

The blame fits all of us, bar none, we are part and parcel of an evil enterprise.

Try not paying your taxes, and you will be thrown in prison. So we pay do we not????

Cynicom  posted on  2010-11-30   0:12:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Cynicom, taxpayers, 4 (#16)

The blame fits all of us, bar none, we are part and parcel of an evil enterprise.

Whenever money is extracted from us by force, or threat of force, and then is used for evil purposes without our consent, we have no blame or responsibility.

The lying, kenyan, sock-puppet was elected because he led us to believe that he would reverse all the chimp's criminal activities. And like it's been said, he is out-bushing bush, or bush on steroids.

Lod  posted on  2010-11-30   10:29:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Cynicom (#7)

Yesterday six grunts were killed

In Afghanistan an Afghan soldier being trained shot dead 6 US soldiers by surprise

That is very unfair to those soldiers to be swept up into the war machine and put in that situation. The soldiers must feel very wary of these Afghans they are expected to mingle among yet may kill them at any moment.

A government that does this to our people is an anti-American government.

Psalms 137:1 By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion.

Red Jones  posted on  2010-11-30   10:46:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Cynicom (#12)

Who has the greater SIN??????

....the guy who pulls the trigger has the greater sin. His superiors are guilty, too. The trigger man has free will, does not have to pull the trigger. I don't accept your view of "we are all guilty - we voted ...." Not I. Haven't voted in ages, refuse to vote for "the lesser of two evils".

"The 'uniter' has brought the entire world together - to despise and deride us." lod

Bub  posted on  2010-11-30   13:46:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Bub (#19)

I don't accept your view of "we are all guilty - we voted ...." Not I. Haven't voted in ages, refuse to vote for "the lesser of two evils".

Any suggestion as to whom we might blame for the condition of this country???

About 130 million voted in 2008, another 80 million did not.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-11-30   14:29:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Cynicom (#20) (Edited)

Any suggestion as to whom we might blame for the condition of this country?

Your #14.... "Changing scenes is not in keeping with the thread. It is about the grunts in the ME."

"The 'uniter' has brought the entire world together - to despise and deride us." lod

Bub  posted on  2010-11-30   15:19:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Bub (#21)

Your #14.... "Changing scenes is not in keeping with the thread. It is about the grunts in the ME."

Lost me Bub...

The thread is out of Baghdad, about the ME.

I didnt see Waco mentioned anywhere.

Enlighten me, I will try to comprehend.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-11-30   17:07:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Cynicom, bub, rickyj (#22)

i brought up waco to illustrate a point bout the troops. the troops killed at waco probably believed they were just doing their jobs as ordered. the guys who killed them were tried later & acquitted of wrongdoing, as the jury found the surviving davidians acted in self defense. in the exact same way, the people in the middle east act in self defense of a crazy genocidal empirical invader - the usa- who has killed millions of their countrymen. they are no more guilty than the davidians or the teenagers in the film RED DAWN would be, had it been a real scenario. so viewing the troops as poor hapless victims of a sinister govt doesn't really wash. the grunts choose to fight in an unjust war- consequences follow.

"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2010-12-01   21:09:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Artisan (#23)

the troops killed at waco probably believed they were just doing their jobs as ord

There were no troops at Waco.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-12-01   21:16:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Cynicom (#24)

sure there was. they were driving tanks & were rightly sniped by the men who were later acquitted of murder charges.even if they weren't army, they were govt goons wearing fatigues with machine guns. so my comparison about the grunts in iraq still applies.

"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2010-12-01   21:47:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Artisan (#25)

sure there was. they were driving tanks

Art...

There were NO troops active in the assult. The army did provide logistical support. General Clark was in charge of that portion.

The assault people were ALL civilian LEO. Mostly ATF people if I recall correctly.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-12-01   21:52:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Red Jones (#0)

There is not one word in this article about an Iraqi employee driving too fast through an airport because he was late for work. The only place that unsubstantiated claim is made is in the title by some non-specified CNN Wire Staff.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2010-12-01   23:36:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: GreyLmist (#27)

they spotted driving a vehicle at high speed on an airport road, Col. Barry Johnson said.

... ... ...

Baghdad police said the man was an engineer working at the airport

I made the part up about him being late for work. but the article said he was speeding and was an airport employee.

Psalms 137:1 By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion.

Red Jones  posted on  2010-12-04   11:13:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Red Jones (#28)

I made the part up about him being late for work. but the article said he was speeding and was an airport employee.

Apologize -- or was your intent to increase hostilities there and so cause more casualties for our troops and Iraqis over your deliberate misrepresentation?

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2010-12-07   14:36:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: GreyLmist (#29)

first you accused me of lying. then you accused me of wanting to get Americans killed. You are the one who should apologize.

If the man was speeding on his way to the airport in order to drop somebody or pick somebody up rather than going to work, then what does it matter? The article says he was going to the airport. the article says he was speeding. The article says he worked at the airport. My only projection I made was that he was speeding because he was late for work. People normally do speed when going to work late. and I bet you that over 99% of the trips to the airport this guy makes is for the sake of his job.

I'm to be criticized as a liar simply for telling what happened. and I'm said to be motivated in this lie in order to cause other Americans to be killed.

But the guy who committed the murder is not criticized by you. Even though he murdered and this murder will cause people to hate Americans which could cause americans' deaths.

Psalms 137:1 By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion.

Red Jones  posted on  2010-12-07   14:53:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Red Jones (#30)

This was not a murder. They attempted to stop him and he didn't stop. Fleeing and alluding while speeding through an airport is not typical behavior of employees simply late for work -- not even in unoccupied countires. If you think it is, show some stats. Most probably, there were other lives at that airport besides our troops who were endangered by that situation, even if your imagineerings can't fathom a similar incident in Lebanon for our Marines there that resulted in hundreds of deaths. Again you are deliberately misrepresenting the facts, regardless of how that might cause more casualties on both sides, as I said, not just for our troops. Your refusal to apologize is noted. So is your reckless disregard for the Truth and the safety of others who could be impacted by it.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2010-12-07   15:41:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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