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Title: Wiki-Leaks and Plausible Lies - Where Have All The Critical Thinkers Gone?
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URL Source: http://www.sott.net/articles/show/2 ... ll-The-Critical-Thinkers-Gone-
Published: Dec 4, 2010
Author: Joe Quinn
Post Date: 2010-12-04 14:07:54 by Original_Intent
Keywords: Plausible, Lies, Disinformation, Propaganda
Views: 374
Comments: 27
While the revelations in the Wiki-leaks documents about the true nature of the US government and its imperial attitude towards other nations are welcome, I find myself in the strange position of having to agree with Hillary Clinton, David Cameron et al that the leaks won't affect anyone's relations with anyone. Our leaders are an inherently hypocritical bunch and over the past 10 years, even the most uninformed have come to understand that our leaders have a definite tendency to say one thing and do another. Who doubts that such hardened politicians fully understand that lying to each other is par for the course in the sordid game of modern global governance? As such, why should the public be overly surprised to see confirmation of this in the Wiki-leaks documents? Entertained and even intrigued, but surprised? I am not saying that there is no value in certain aspects of the documents themselves to the extent that they provide a chance to disseminate government corruption and mendacity to a wide audience, but titillating details such as Gadaffi's buxom 'nurse' is nothing new and, much more importantly, such details are by no means the main focus of the documents themselves. Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran... The Wiki-leaks documents need to be considered in a broader context. By all means, alternative news sites should continue to expose American, British and any another government inequity that the documents reveal. But where is the criticism of the rest of the documents that confirm the standard Israeli/American narrative - that Iran poses 'an existentialist threat' to Israel and to 'moderate' Arab states? Does anyone care that these documents clearly support US and Israeli war-mongering? Does anyone else find that to be astonishing? Where is the critical thought? The problem is that, when the dust has settled (as it soon will) over all-too-familiar US government attempts to spy on UN officials and the pusillanimity of the British government assuring the Americans that their Iraq invasion inquiry would have a pro-US bias, we will be left with some core details which, far from being refuted or covered up, are being accepted as fact. Details such as: Iran is the greatest threat to peace in the Middle East. This is a blatant lie as every alternative, anti-war analyst who has studied the facts has declared vociferously for years now. And suddenly, with a widely publicized leak, the mainstream media wants to try and shove it down our throats again? Because it is a "leak" and Assange is being "hunted down" like Osama bin Under-the-bed? What kind of truth has ever gotten this kind of press in all the years since the Fascist take-over by the unelected G.W. Bush? Iran received missile technology from North Korea that may enable it to attack Europe in a few years. That's pure propaganda, and every one of you alt news analysts and commentators know that. Iran is making its own missiles and, in any case, Iran is entitled to defend itself. You've all been saying that for years, based on hard data and researched facts. All of a sudden, a leak appears and the mainstream media wants to convince us otherwise? And you compare it to Watergate? Did you read Fletcher Prouty's expose on Watergate, how many of the documents were created and planted to be leaked because they served the agenda of the PTB? Middle Eastern leaders want the US and Israel to attack Iran. How can this not been seen as further US and Israeli propaganda? And what Middle Eastern country in its right mind would want that considering that the entire area will be unfit for human habitation for years afterward? Tehran used Red Cross ambulances to smuggle arms to Hizb'allah during its war against Israel in 2006. Even if true, Iran is entitled to help the Lebanese defend themselves against Israeli aggression just like UK helped the U.S. attack Iraq and Afghanistan. Haven't all of you people been saying this for years now? Iran harbors 'al Qaeda'. Why would this be seen as anything other than more of the tired old US 'al-qaeda' imaginings designed to scare the masses, at home and abroad? Iran could produce an intercontinental ballistic missile capable of reaching the United States by 2015. And Saddam could 'hit the UK in 45 minutes', remember? Pakistan continues to support the 'Mumbai terror attack group'. Why no details of David Headley, the CIA agent who planned the Mumbai attacks and who, according to the CIA, 'went rogue'? Again, yeah, right! And let's not forget previous Wiki-leaks 'dumps' of data, which included nuggets of US and Israeli government nonsense like Iraq really did have WMDs! And there you were thinking that the WMD business was a total lie! Well, guess again, thanks to some of the Wiki-leaks documents, we now know that the US was totally justified in invading Iraq and killing 1.5 million innocent civilians. And if that isn't enough for ya, then just remember...9/11! Bin Laden (who is alive and well according to previous Wiki-leaks documents) killed about 3,000 Americans that day, which leaves the US and Iraq just about even (500 Iraqi lives being equal to one American life). And don't go spouting any spurious conspiracy theories, because Mr Assange is annoyed that such 'false conspiracies" [like 9/11] distract so many people (like you). As Phyillis Bennis wrote recently on the Huffington Post: "If you watched only Fox News or some of the outraged-but-gleeful mainstream pundits, you would believe that the documents prove the dangers of Iran's nuclear program and world-wide support for a military attack on Iran. If you read only the Israeli press, you would think the documents provide irrefutable proof that "the entire world is panicked over the Iranian nuclear program." Phyillis is correct, but here's the problem: a vast number of people do watch only Fox News or one of its affiliates, and what gets said in the Israeli press is very often received with a sympathetic ear across the US media. So why is no one contesting these very dubious and much more serious claims? These are claims that could be used to justify an attack on Iran and the murder of millions of Iranian civilians? Yes, the US government is full of two-faced creeps who spy on friend and foe alike, and if the Wiki-leaks documents help to imprint that on the global awareness, then so much the better. But what will it change in the long run? And more importantly, at what price will come the wholesale acceptance of these documents? If, by simply referring to the precise details and the dominant discourse of the documents, I conclude that some aspects serve the goals of peace and public truth but many others serve the goals of the war-mongers in Tel Aviv and Washington, does that mean I hate Whistle-blowers and want to protect the US government? This whole thing is like the well-known ploy of the psychopath to engage the sympathy of their victim by admitting to flaws and failings - even a few seemingly painful admissions - putting the target to sleep thinking they now have the whole confession, all the while they are being set up for a really big con. Our world is run by people who lie for a living, so let's examine the situation microcosmically and then all you have to do is extract the principle and apply it on a larger scale. The problem is, if there is a psychopath - or those with related characteropathies - who doesn't know how to keep good eye contact when lying, they haven't been born. Eye contact is "universally known" to be a sign of truth-telling. The problem is liars will fake anything that it is possible to fake, so in reality, eye contact is absolutely NOT a sign of truth telling. Anna Salter writes: The man in front of me is a Southern good-ole-boy, the kind of man I grew up with and like. If anything, I have a weakness for the kind of Southern male who can "Sam Ervin" you, the Southern lawyer who wears red suspenders in court along with twenty-five-year-old cowboy boots and who turns his accent up a notch when he sees the northern expert witness coming. A "northern city slicker" on the witness stand will elicit the same kind of focused interest that a deer will in hunting season. You can have some very long days in court with men who wear red suspenders and start by telling you how smart you are and how simple and dumb they are. I survey the man in front of me. I am not in court; I am in prison, and he is not an attorney but a sex offender, and he has bright eyes along with that slow, sweet drawl. He is a big man, slightly balding, and he has - I have to admit there is such a thing - an innocent face. ... My Southern good-ole-boy certainly knows eye contact is considered a sign of truthfulness. He describes his manner in getting away with close to 100 rapes of adults and children. He tells me: The manner that I use when I was trying to convince somebody - even though I knew I was lying - I'd look them in the eye, but I wouldn't stare at them. Staring makes people uncomfortable and that tends to turn them away, so I wouldn't stare at them. But look at them in a manner that, you know, "look at this innocent face. How can you believe that I would do something like that?" It helps if you have a good command of the vocabulary where you can explain yourself in a way that is easily understood. Dress nice. Use fluent hand gestures that are not attacking in any way. It's a whole combination of things. It's not any one thing that you can do. It's a whole combination of things that your body gestures and things that say "Look, I'm telling you the truth, and I don't know what these people are trying to pull. I don't know what they're trying to prove, but I haven't done any of this. I don't know why they're doing this. You can check my records. I've got a good record. I've never been in any trouble like this. And I don't know what's going on. I'm confused."... As if reading my thoughts, he breaks off: "You don't get this, Anna, do you?" he says. "You think that when I'm asked, "Did I do it? that's when I lie. But I've been lying every day for the last twenty-five years." The practiced liar: a category of liar that even experts find it difficult to detect. Problem is, even when dealing with people who are not practiced liars, such as college students who have volunteered for a research study of lying, most observers are not as good as they think in detecting deception. The research shows consistently that most people - even most professional groups such as police and psychologists - have no better than a chance ability to detect deception. Flipping a coin would serve as well. "If you want to deny something, make sure you've got an element of truth in it. It sounds like it's true, and there are elements of it that are very true that can be checked out, and try to balance it so that it has more truth than lie, so that when it is checked out, even if the lie part does come out, there's more truth there than lie." This man was good enough that once he got away with stomping out of court in a huff. He was accused by his sister of raping her and molesting her daughter on the same day. He played it as a preposterous charge. His sister, he told the court, had once accused his uncle of abuse. She was well known in the family for making up crazy charges like this. He said he wasn't going to put up with such nonsense and walked out. No one stopped him, and no one ever called him back. The charge just disappeared somehow. He now admits that both charges were true. It is 'likeability' and charm that he wields as weapons. The double life is a powerful tactic. There is the pattern of socially responsible behavior in public that causes people to drop their guard, and to turn a deaf ear to disclosures. The ability to charm, to be likable, to radiate sincerity and truthfulness, is crucial to the successful liar - and they practice assiduously. "Niceness is a decision," writes Gavin De Becker in The Gift of Fear. It is a "strategy of social interaction; it is not a character trait." Despite the decades of research that have demonstrated that people cannot reliably tell whose lying and who isn't, most people believe they can. There is something so fundamentally threatening about the notion that we cannot really know whether or not to trust someone that it is very difficult to get anyone - clinicians, citizens, even police - to take such results seriously. Assange on Netanyahu In a recent Time Magazine interview, Julian Assange stated that Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu "is not a naive man" but rather a "sophisticated politician". That's Assange's assessment of a man who is clearly a psychopath. In the same interview Assange said: "We can see the Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu coming out with a very interesting statement that leaders should speak in public like they do in private whenever they can. He believes that the result of this publication, which makes the sentiments of many privately held beliefs public, are promising a pretty good [indecipherable] will lead to some kind of increase in the peace process in the Middle East and particularly in relation to Iran." Apart from the fact that he appears to be praising a pathological war criminal, Assange displays an amazing level of naivete. Netanyahu's comment about Middle Eastern leaders making their private opinions public was in reference to the leaked allegation that the Saudi, Jordanian and Emirati governments were privately in favor of "cutting the head of the Iranian snake", something that Netanyahu has been cheer-leading for several years. Despite this, Assange believes that this will lead to "some kind of increase in the peace process in relation to Iran". Say what?! But not everyone is fooled. On Wednesday, a senior Turkish official blamed Israel for the Wiki-leaks release. Addressing reporters, Huseyin Celik, deputy leader of Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan's AKP party, hinted that Israel engineered the leak of hundreds of thousands of United States diplomatic cables as a plot to pressure the Turkish government. "One has to look at which countries are pleased with these," Celik was quoted as saying. "Israel is very pleased. Israel has been making statements for days, even before the release of these documents." "Documents were released and they immediately said, 'Israel will not suffer from this.' How did they know that?" Celik asked. He doesn't even realize that probably many of these documents were created FOR leaking! Again, the reader is referred to Fletcher Prouty's book The Secret Team. Critical Vs 'Black and White' Thinking The Wiki-leaks documents that provide evidence for what is already understood should be accepted, the documents that echo what we already know to be US and Israeli propaganda should be understood as just that - US and Israeli propaganda. Is that so hard? Why are many alternative news writers who railed against similar lies and disinformation when it came from US and Israeli 'Intel reports' now accepting, or ignoring, the same propaganda simply because it comes via Wiki-leaks? Do the Wiki-leaks documents have to be all good or are all bad? Is such black and white thinking ever a good way to discern truth from lies in a world where almost everything has some element of spin? Are we so desperate for a truth-telling hero - like the practiced liar described by Anna Salter above - that we have lost our ability to critically think? What happened to our ability to understand and identify the nuances and subtitles of big government propaganda? The broad view of Wiki-leaks and its documents, so far, paints a picture of a concerted effort to supplant the alternative, anti-war media with an illusion of truth. As the Western mainstream media continues to reach new heights of mendacity and obfuscation of the truth, an increasing number of ordinary people have been turning to alternative news sites for a more accurate perspective of what is happening on our planet. This has posed a clear threat to those whose positions of influence and power depend on a misinformed population. The solution to this problem would be the appearance on the scene of an organization that goes one better than the anti-war, alternative media and produces 'smoking gun', officially documented evidence of government lies and deception. Such evidence would, after all, come from the horse's mouth, a veritable admission of guilt from the wrong-doers themselves rather than accusations from third-party alternative news web sites. Re-read Anna Salter's description of the pedophile she was interviewing above to get a real picture of the pathology at work here. The deception, of course, lies not in the release of official documents, but in the use of those documents, which in themselves do not constitute high crimes, as a cover to promote the same big government lies. I submit that, based on the clear evidence, Wiki-leaks is just such an organization and is designed to fulfill just such a role: the dissemination of Plausible Lies. Poster Comment: I suspect that the motivation behind WeakeyLeaks is that the old modes of propaganda were losing their effect. Too many people were becoming aware of the lies and were beginning to discount them and refute them. Too many counter sources were and are available. Sources which in many cases show point by point that the lies are lies and that they are contradicted by readily available information. So, the problem became: "How to get around the skeptical filter of rational analysis?" The solution appears to have been to bundle a large body of true, but embarassing - but NOT critical information along with a body of propaganda that the Shadow Government wants people to believe to be true data. So, how to do that? You create a supposed organization, a false front, that, on the surface, seems dedicated to exposing the government's lies. Further you set it up as an organization that takes "leaked" information that One of the giveaways that Assange is not what he represents himself to be is his denial of the validity of the quest for truth about 911. It has been my personal experience in dealing with various shills, low level disinformationists, on public forums is that they will NEVER EVER admit that any element, no matter how small, nor how well documented, of the Official Fairy Tale™ could possibly, conceivably, be incorrect in any way. They cannot, because the moment they allow that door to be opened their argument falls apart piece by inevitable piece. And that ladies and gentlemen is the one story they cannot allow to be questioned as ALL of their wars and police state impositions are based upon 911 having been conducted by "19ArabsWhoHateUsCuz'We'reFree" even though the most basic investigation begins unraveling the cover story. Just for one example it has been shown conclusively that a minimum of 4 of the named and identified hijackers were alive and not even in the United States the day before and the day after 911. 911 remains the key to unraveling the entire mess, as everything that has been done to create wars and to justify the erosion of American Civil Liberties and the rule of the Constitution has been predicated, justified, by the 911 Cover Story. If that were proven conclusively false, which it has been although the controlled media will not publish that FACT, then everything else is delegitimized instantly. That in turn puts a lot of necks in line for a brand new "necktie". So, Assange is nothing more than someone's Intelligence/PsyOps Asset, and the function of WeakeyLeaks is to catapult the propaganda past the skeptical filter of the reader. Thankfully, it seems only to be working on the weak of mind - the same Sheeple who still think 911 was conducted by hard drinking, pork eating, womanizing, fanatical Muslims who lived with strippers and were trained at US military bases.
"Our culture agrees on the signs of lying. Ask anyone how to tell if someone is lying and they will tell you that they can tell by "lack of eye contact, nervous shifting, or picking at one's clothes." Psychologist Anna Salter writes with dry humor: "This perception is so widespread I have had the fantasy that, immediately upon birth, nurses must take newborns and whisper in their ears, "Eye contact. It's a sign of truthfulness." [Anna C. Salter, Ph.D.]
Brer Rabbit the government does not want released. Then you pump it up even further with phony outrage, and apparent attempts to silence the leaker, say, "rape charges" that are highly contrived and are made obviously so. Thus you build credibility for the disinformation outlet.
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"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Here is an interesting comment from the thread following the original article: "Anyone remember the big story of last week? I'm many of you do. Not to change subject but just a week ago people were pretty upset about the TSA scanners. Then along comes the Oregon bomber kid and now it's back to Wikileaks. On the TSA issue, it seemed the populace was beginning to see things for what they are. Oregon bomber - this distracted from the TSA issue. Now with Assange in the spot light.. I don't recall what I (people in general were/) was so upset about last week. Keep changing gears is how the Bush regime functioned, if I remember my history correctly. This situation would come up, they would do something different and everyone would forget about the previous situation(s). It's all part of a series of commercial interruptions, in my opinion, which distract from the real issue(s). The US/UK/Israeli apartheid police state(s), Empire building, Declining dollar - Economic collapse, 1.5 million Iraqi's, untold number of actual troop deaths, untold number of Afghan and Pakistani deaths, globalization, toxic world environment (physically and mentally) and many real topics that are intentionally avoided by (most of the) world media. I believe you're spot on with how you see the situation Mr. Quinn. Thanks for sharing!"
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
The author makes some very good points. However, I do not believe that Wikileaks is some type of government operation, whether CIA or Mossad. They have been posting documents from all over the world since 2006 that have had nothkng to do with the United States. However, that does not mean that an intelligence agency can't use it for propaganda purposes. Due to the nature of the site, anyone could upload information to them and they would make it public. It very well could be that false information was implanted within the true stuff in order to further the war goals of the US and Israeli governments.
I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. - Benjamin Franklin
Good stuff, O_I. Watch Charlie McCarthy, he can really talk!!!! Aren't you about to go Duck hunting???
Just great! Now we have to wait for someone to file a FOIA to get the documents all blacklined.
"In a free society we're supposed to know the truth," ... "In a society where truth becomes treason, then we're in big trouble. And now, people who are revealing the truth are getting into trouble for it" -- Ron Paul, circa 2010-12-02
Rush Limbaugh spent about 6 years building credibility before he began seeding his information and commentary with disinformation. You have to realize they, the intelligence agencies tasked with this kind of work, do not throw something like this up over night without building credibility for the source. The key in SELLING disinformation is to have it come from a "credible" source. So we get an organization that builds a cover legend as a source of leaks that the establishment does not want to get out. However, WeakeyLeaks has not released anything which is beyond the level of somewhat embarrassing while at the same time having the releases salted heavily with "leaks" that directly support the official Party Lyin'. This is a rather sophisticated operation but it is not without precedent. British Intelligence used a not disrelated gambit to sell the Germans on a false picture of where the Allies were going to land their beachheads on D-Day (a good movie made about it was titled "The Man With No Name"). Nevertheless the planners of this Op could not get away from the known techniques of disinformation. There are only so many ways to lie. Despite WeakeyLeaks having been around for a couple of years is no proof that it is not a planned disinformation outlet, and it exhibits the characteristics of a planned disinformation campaign.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Watch Charlie McCarthy, he can really talk!!!! Aren't you about to go Duck hunting??? LOL! Thanks. I had been chewing this over while I waited for more information and analysis to come out, but I think at this point that it is becoming obvious that Assange and WeakeyLeaks are not what they represent themselves to be. Another giveaway is the way the controlled media began building them up a few months before the BIG leak. Including the element of time and the media hurdy gurdy as establishing the cover legend it begins clarifying what we are actually dealing with.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
You really believe the stuff you post? That the government is continuously behind EVERYTHING?
"In a free society we're supposed to know the truth," ... "In a society where truth becomes treason, then we're in big trouble. And now, people who are revealing the truth are getting into trouble for it" -- Ron Paul, circa 2010-12-02
Just great! Now we have to wait for someone to file a FOIA to get the documents all blacklined. Not at all. We have enough data to now categorize WeakeyLeaks as a probable disinformation operation. Therefore that makes anything from WeakeyLeaks, regardless of official headings, suspect. We can then apply simple logic and comparison to known true data. From there we can begin sifting out the nuggets of truth which are revealed. However, much of the true data revealed by WeakeyLeaks is stuff we already knew. We already knew that torture was being conducted, innocents murdered, and that the wars we are engaged in are without legitimate justification. The rest is simply icing. Unfortunately someone put Arsenic in the icing.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Nice Spin Ball Buckie. Did I say "EVERYTHING"? NO. I did present an analysis that is logically coherent and founded upon known good data. I expect people to think for themselves. Whatever I present should carry no weight because "I" presented it. Any and all weight is subject to intelligent rational consideration by the reader. It is not, "what do I say?", but what picture the facts paint.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
I do have to agree with Buck on this one. You can say that all that's been released is stuff we pretty much knew, but who's "we"? We here on 4um? WL is not leaking the info for the benefit of 4um. At least some of what they are releasing is most definitely news to mainstream America. Why is it that any time something happens which seems to be for the good of the patriot community, it's shortly followed by speculation and paranoia that it was somehow all just a psyops operation? And I'm looking for reasons beyond simply that, in this case, WL didn't release info that just wasn't as embarrassing for the PTB's as some of us (some of you, I guess) had hoped for. As already pointed out, WL has been around for years, releasing info that wouldn't make the metro section of the local paper. But somehow, now the fact that they haven't released a treasure trove of rubies is reason for suspicion. From where I sit, it appears that all the suspicion heaped upon WL of late is based on simple paranoia, some preconceived idea that nothing can possibly go right for us for a change, that all dominoes will continuously fall in the favor of the PTBs. With all due respect, OI, I think you and a few others here are overly paranoid and that you are not simply letting the facts speak for themselves. I think you are instead slanting your interpretation of these facts improperly due to this paranoia.
The Wiki Hoax www.rebelnews.org/opinion/war/541972-the-wiki-hoax THE GLOBAL CONSPIRACY BEHIND THE BOYISH GRIN… True colors, we are seeing them now. Those still trying to peddle the Wikileaks myth, the boyish grin concealing the powerful conspiracy, espionage and treason at the highest levels of American society, these are the real enemies of the information age. There are two opinions of Wikileaks. The worlds intelligence services all, every single one, believes Wikileaks is simply an intelligence agency playing games. They say this to each other, Vladimir Putin and Zbigniew Brzezinski have announced it to the world and others are following suit. Nobody, at least nobody typically “answerable” will say the word “Israel” but it is what they mean when they say “intelligence agency.” They mean Israel. Every Wikileak does something to help Israel in a different way at a different time. If Israel has a problem, a Wikileak is there., part of the solution. This time, Secretary Clinton was in the way and Wikileaks showed up to gut the State Department and give Israel the usual “buff and polish” job they usually do. There is another group, not a group that actually believes Wikileaks is real, few but the “Joe Six-Pack” crowd buys that, but a group that loves Wikileaks like an addict loves a fix. The press loves Wikileaks. I even love Wikileaks. Wikileaks is pushing readership through the roof, not just America but worldwide. Wikileaks is a news marketing phenomenon like any disaster. There is a reason the media are compared to vultures and hyenas. Killing Wikileaks as the hoax it is, and not a harmless hoax, not by a long shot, is like killing the golden goose. Wikileaks sells news, pulls up website traffic to unimaginable levels, even crashes servers from overload. There isn’t just one story, teaching the world how bad America is, there is also the daytime TV drama, the soap opera of Julian Assange. I wonder when the public will pick up on the endless stream of carefully posed, carefully staged photos. Just imagine meeting Assange, hiding from Interpol, running for his life, the CIA hunting him down, angry “date rape’ victims lurking the streets of London and Amsterdam. He always has time for the media, never misses an interview. “Julian, look to the side, leer a bit…look threatening. OK, another one, this time …softer…something the gay community will like. OK, that was great.” Wikileaks would be funny if it weren’t getting people killed, something almost everyone agrees on. Those with a powerful desire to “buy in,” the disaffected, the overt and “closet” America haters and, most of all, the bored. Wikileaks is perfect for people with nothing to do, nothing to talk about and absolutely no knowledge about foreign policy or defense. There is something for everyone in Wikileaks, rape, gay sex, car chases, everything but truth. NASTY TRUTH Why call Wikileaks a hoax? Many have now pointed out that some things don’t make sense, that selected very nasty information seems to have been dug out, all “one sided,” and very much not simple “leaks.” Wikileaks is propaganda sold as truth. Are the things in Wikileaks lies? Here is a good analogy for Wikileaks: There are three houses on a street for sale. One man, a neighbor down the block, puts up a website claiming a murderer and child rapist lives on the street. The website is correct, as are Wikileaks, there is a murderer and child rapist living on the street, but as we might guess, this isn’t the entire story. Property values plummet. More homes go up for sale. Nobody will buy there and those who are there all want to leave. The three houses go into foreclosure and more on the way. The man who puts up the website buys them for half their value, the families who owned them are now living in a public shelter for the homeless. What the website doesn’t say is that the person who put it up is the murder and child rapist. Welcome to Wikileaks and “warfare through deception.” THE FBI and AIPAC We are supposed to believe that Julian Assange and Bradley Manning have outwitted the FBI, made fools of them. Ann Coulter is beating that drum, part of her crusade against gays in general. What’s not to hate? Seldom overweight, nicely dressed, financially successful, better educated than most, certainly not a demographic that would appeal to Ann Coulter, hardly the kind of Americans she caters to. Selling the “Bradley Manning” myth, that accused serial rapist Assange’s “gay lover” looted the Pentagon of its least vital secrets, bringing America’s evil Fascist dictatorship to its knees….the myth. There is also the minor problem that Manning was in jail when the other leaks occurred. The excuse given, Assange has been sitting on the information for months, simply doesn’t hold water. Judy Woodruff of PBS, while interviewing former national security advisors Zbigniew Brzezinski and Stephen Hadley, made an attempt to sell the Bradley Manning myth. Watch Brzezinski and Hadley shut her down like an alarm clock stuck on a “rap” station: JUDY WOODRUFF: But a lot of these documents have been in the hands — haven’t they been in the hands of WikiLeaks for some time? ZBIGNIEW BRZEZINSKI: We don’t know that for a fact. JUDY WOODRUFF: … because of — because of this private who is in jail and accused, Army private? STEPHEN HADLEY: We don’t know it! Publicly, the FBI is silent, choosing ignominy and survival. Sources that indicate the AIPAC spy scandal was 10 times the extent of Pollard with solid evidence of widespread espionage extending to the highest levels of, not only Defense but the Executive branch as well. Arrest warrants were being prepared for more than several Bush officials and several currently serving President Obama. With two presidents being blackmailed because their administrations had been totally penetrated by spies, the FBI was called off. Grant Smith discusses the Rosen v. AIPAC lawsuit that threatens to bring Washington to its knees with an espionage scandal of unimagined proportions: Steven J. Rosen’s defamation lawsuit against the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) is now entering a critical phase. A series of cross-filings stakes out the critical court terrain. Rosen intends to show that obtaining and leveraging classified U.S. government information in the service of Israel is common practice at AIPAC. He claims it was unfair for AIPAC to fire and malign him in the press after he was indicted on espionage charges in 2005. On March 2, 2009, Rosen filed the civil lawsuit against his former employer, directors, and an outside public relations firm for libel and slander. Rosen, AIPAC’s former foreign policy chief, seeks $5 million in damages from AIPAC, and punitive damages of $500,000 from each former board member, for a total claim of $21 million. AIPAC made statements to the news media Rosen believes were “knowingly false and defamatory and issued in reckless disregard.” AIPAC fired Rosen and fellow employee Keith Weissman after they were criminally indicted under the 1917 Espionage Act in 2005. Both were caught up in an FBI sting operation receiving classified information from Department of Defense employee Col. Lawrence Franklin, who pled guilty and turned state’s witness. Rosen’s legal counsel David H. Shapiro gruffly advised AIPAC’s attorney Thomas L. McCally that he would be seeking “serious discovery” on Rosen’s behalf during a status hearing on June 5, 2009. It is this sort of public intrusion guided by knowledgeable insiders, following already devastating FBI raids, that AIPAC probably wants to avoid at all costs. Ironically, Rosen’s civil lawsuit, like the failed government prosecution, hinges on proving that circulating classified information is common practice inside AIPAC. What FBI insiders have alluded to is that the the case should have been allowed to follow the investigation which had led, not just to a vast Israeli spy ring operating through AIPAC but to falsifying the intelligence reports used to justify the ill fated US invasion of, not only Iraq but Afghanistan. Sources indicate that Wikileaks is seen as an attempt to duplicate the espionage and treason of 2001 and 2003, but this time aimed at Iran. WIKILEAKS AS AN ENTERTAINMENT COMMODITY There is little doubt that the primary purpose of Wikileaks has always been to clear the way for an attack on Iran. If one ignores what Zbigniew Brzezniski calls “seeding” with “pointed intelligence,” what he says is proof Wikileaks is an intelligence operation, the Wikileaks saga can be appreciated for drama alone. Would anyone be surprised to see Assange on Skating with the Stars? After all, Bristol Palin had a very successful season on Dancing with the Stars and Assange may actually be a less controversial figure. Is Julian Assange going to be arrested and sentenced to counseling for sex addition? Can anyone imagine Assange making a public apology? That would be worth staying up late for. Anyone in the industry recognizes a few basic things about Assange. Everything is staged, everything is managed. Anyone who doesn’t see the handiwork of a professional publicist and agent, the “personal assistant,” the body guards and all the other trappings of Britney or Lindsay, is, well, part of the act themselves. Assange is just a shill, a “carny.” Britney deserves better than the comparison. THE 500 POUND GORILLA Calling Wikileaks a simple hoax is a kindness. Maybe we can call 9/11 a hoax also. Will the families of the dead feel any better? History will prove Wikileaks, 9/11, the invasion of Iraq, the mindless and seemingly eternal fiasco of Afghanistan are all acts in the same play, certainly a tragedy but hardly Shakespearean. Bradley Manning isn’t the “Wikileaker,” not by a long shot. If the FBI’s assertions about AIPAC are correct and there is no reason to believe otherwise, Wikileaks could easily be the small army of “dual citizens,” the only possible suspects. There is no other group able to silence and shelve the FBI, able to pull documents out of databases at Defense, State, foreign embassies. The sad attempts to blame Manning or the Chinese, certainly victims of the recent revelations, are acts of desperation. Wikileaks the hoax isn’t an area for rumination. You accept the fact or show your colors, red white and blue or blue and white. That time is here, the debates are long over. Assange a hero? Assange a victim? Where you see those questions, look behind them. You will see the smiling face of treason, not for the first time. Source: Veterans Today www.veteranstoday.com/201...ordon-duff-the-wiki-hoax/
That's fine. I do not have a "must have" on people agreeing. I merely ask that they look and consider the evidence. From torture at Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo, that Saddam had no connection to 911, no scary scary milions of tons of the most dangerous weapons ever created, to black site prison/torture centers, and the ongoing deceitfulness of the warmongers in government and the controlled media, ALL has been the subject of countless articles and opinion exchange. So, when I say it is not new and that many people already knew it is the aware people who constitutes "We". Not just 4um but all of the various individuals globally who were already quite aware of at least some of the lies. It may be news to the Sheeple but it is mostly not news to anyone who has been paying attention. As well since there appears to be a lot of disinformation included the Sheeple are simply having their prejudices, and prior disinformation, reinforced by a neutral third party. After all he couldn't be lying these are all leaks. Right? Because that is what experience has taught us. And you are making an invalid generalization. The "Patriot Community" is at best an amorphous group. Some are on the right track and some are not. Some are just what they claim and some are government stooges playing "Patriot". I think you underestimate the scale at which the disinformation and control campaigns are conducted. With control of virtually all of the major media consolidated in the hands of just 5 multinationals, with interlocking directorates, the level of the disinformation and programming via media is now global. It is heavily concentrated on the U.S. because we represent the biggest threat, next to China and Russia, to a global system of control under the Banksters and Psychiatrists. The programs at play, whether it is real to you or not, are pervasive and they have been researching this, and expanding on it since the time of Edward Bernays which takes us back to at least the late teens of the last century. The consolidation of control over the means of information dissemination has been a century long, if not longer, program. And it has been quite effective - particularly in the U.S.. And as I pointed out sophisticated disinformation operations do not pop up over night like mushrooms after a rain shower. They are built up over time. Effective disinformation, like adverstising (a relative), requires development and establishing credibility. It does not surprise me nor change my opinion because WeakeyLinks has been around for all of 3 or 4 years. Credibility had to first be established, the cover legend developed, and then the flow of shit can begin. Not before. A disinformationist wants the false information to be accepted and treated as true. Therefore it requires careful preparation to establish the credibility of the source before it can become an effective disinformation outlet. If it had just popped up one night then it would have been suspicious to a lot of the people who have now swallowed it hook, line, and sinker. No, it is, at least among the knowledgeable, based on data and evidence. A key component of that evidence is what was released, and what was omitted. As well important in reaching a conclusion is "cui bono" - "who benefits?". And upon what do you base that assumption of yours? Quite a few things have gone right. The TSA Pornoscanners and intrusive groping backfired - big time, and it woke more people up to the dangers of the building police state apparatus. More people have woken and we are finally approaching critical mass. However, just as the PTB's plans have taken time it has taken close to 60 years since the first voices began speaking up in the early 1950's to arrive where we are today. This very conversation would have been impossible, even with the Internet, 40 years ago because "everybody knew the government was honest" and was only looking after our best interests. My conclusions are based on the facts. We can observe a variety of things about Mr. Assange and the data dumps: As a child Mr. Assange was part of a group in Australia that practiced techniques, such as drugging with hallucinogens, as have been used in the CIA's MK Ultra program. The pattern of what has been released has been one which does not reveal anything of any great moment, but it DOES support the official party lyin'. Just as important is what is not included, i.e., omitted, from the data dump. I've covered this before, but in short it includes very little mention of diplomatic relations with Israel and has nothing about the flotilla massacre or about Israelis in Iraq which we have known are there because of the release of some of the photos released from that chamber of horrors at Abu Ghraib. The General in Charge, later demoted and shut up, has said publicly that she encountered some of them. We have the curious fact that Mr. Assange is still alive. If he was doing as much damage as the media hurdy gurdy suggests he would have already been whacked or taken out of circulation. There is no one piece of information that says this is a covert propaganda operation, but taken in its totality it fairly screams it.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Thanks for posting. Good read, and adds another voice to exposure of WeakeyLinks.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Great commentary, and totally correct, imo. Thanks. As long as the 9.11 fable is believed, we're still screwed.
Thank you. And agreed. 911 is the lynchpin. It has been used as the excuse for every war and abuse of power since it occurred. It long ago became obvious, except to the brain dead Sheeple and the mouth breathing slobbering slack jawed disturbed hysterical retards at Freeptardia and their inbred first cousins the Dildoheads, to anyone with a sound mind, the ability to think logically, and look objectively at the available evidence that 911 was an inside job. Like Pearl Harbor it was a created scenario to justify the criminal activities of the government.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Remember when the whole Abu Ghraib thing came out, and we had a group of troglodytes get prosecuted? Remember Lyndie England? Now, we have Bradley Manning. Notice how much these two look a like? Take a GOOD LOOK. Now, with all the documentation that Wikileaks has produced, and with Julian Assange being such an intellectually honest guy, not one word about Israel that is critical, and not one word about Israeli operations in any region. NOT ONE WORD ABOUT ISRAELI OPERATIONS MENTIONED IN ALL THESE LEAKED DOCUMENTS. Know why that is? Think about it. Think good and hard about it. Wikileaks, like every other bit of staged propaganda, is yet another distraction, and lie. If our government and our intelligence community keep such meticulous records of everything, why are there no mentions of Israelis doing anything? Surely there are Israelis gathering intelligence on our other enemies and sharing it right? Could there also be Israeli intelligence operatives working hand in hand with our government, ensuring our success in the region? ARE THERE ANY MENTIONS OF ISRAEL, OR ISRAELI AGENTS AT WORK IN THE REGIONS SPECIFIED? No, there aren't. So, what is Wikileaks, and all those documents? A LIE. It's all bullshit.
It is better to be hated for what you are, than loved for what you are not. - Tommy The Mad Artist.
Oh, there was a little tiny bit, but nothing really damaging. We have to be careful to not overstate. So, yes there was mention of Israel in at least one cable - that was a bit disparaging regarding connections to Organized Crime. However, there was nothing really revealing as anyone who has studied the operation of the Zionist State already is aware that there are connections between the upper levels of the Israeli Government and Organized Crime - just as there are connections between CIA-FBI and La Cosa Nostra.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
I agree that most everything is bs, but the reports are not all lies; they are selected reports which never criticize little precious. Ergo, I continue to believe that it's a mossad op.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin
With a government that lies and a MSM that pedals those lies, we have no recourse other to accept we are being swindled one more time, by someone.
I think that is the majority consensus outside of the U.S. media and among the few national leaders that have spoken up. Both Russia and Turkey have alluded to it being an Intelligence Agency Op and I believe it was a high official in the Turkish Government who said he believed it was an Israeli Op. However, the Zionist controlled U.S. Media will not mention it.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Most likely, WL started out on the up-and- up, then was co-opted by the mossad after they gained some credibility. That's the judeo way. Jeeze, I do. If someone doesn't agree with me, they're either ill-informed, not paying attention, whacked out of their mind on TeeVee, fluoride, poison vaccines, big pharma, etc. or just plain stupid. At that point, I write them off and move on.
Data insufficient to say. I do seem to recall reading somewhere that he is Jewish or at least of Jewish ancestry. I also keep coming back to the group of children which he was part of in a Jonesboro type group which indoctrinated children with hallucinogens such as LSD. That smacks of MK-Ultra and Project Monarch and makes me wonder. However, not enough solid data to offer a firm conclusion. Well you do have a point. ;-)
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
www.scotsman.com/world/Al...o-use-poisoned.6650365.jp here's a story about how WikiLeaks says that Al Quaeda was trying to assassinate leaders with poisoned perfume. Listen the CIA has stuff in liquid form that they can spill on your skin and in a half hour you're dead from a heart attack. Back in the 1950's there was a book that came out written by a medical researcher who participated telling about how the government figured stuff like that out. and they have drugs they can deliver by spilling on your skin that do a lot of other things too. Like make you vulnerable temporarily to being convinced of anything for a brief period. Or like make you do very stupid things. even suicidal things. We pioneered these systems a long time ago is the reality. And Al Quaeda is just a code named used to describe arabs who oppose American empire.
Psalms 137:1 By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion.
The reality is that virtually every dirty trick the U.S. FedGov accuses others of is something they have already done, and usually many times more than once. If you wanted to talk War Crimes the Fire Bombing of Dresden alone merited a Tribunal followed by a round of "neckties". The U.S. Government routinely engages in filthy, dishonest, and criminal activities which should have long ago sent a lot of people to the Gas Chamber.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
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Due to the nature of the site, anyone could upload information to them and they would make it public. It very well could be that false information was implanted within the true stuff in order to further the war goals of the US and Israeli governments.
#7. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#4)
The author makes some very good points. However, I do not believe that Wikileaks is some type of government operation, whether CIA or Mossad. They have been posting documents from all over the world since 2006 that have had nothkng to do with the United States.
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Good stuff, O_I.
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#10. To: buckeroo (#6)
Due to the nature of the site, anyone could upload information to them and they would make it public. It very well could be that false information was implanted within the true stuff in order to further the war goals of the US and Israeli governments.
#11. To: buckeroo (#9)
You really believe the stuff you post? That the government is continuously behind EVERYTHING?
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I do have to agree with Buck on this one.
You can say that all that's been released is stuff we pretty much knew, but who's "we"? We here on 4um?
WL is not leaking the info for the benefit of 4um. At least some of what they are releasing is most definitely news to mainstream America.
Why is it that any time something happens which seems to be for the good of the patriot community, it's shortly followed by speculation and paranoia that it was somehow all just a psyops operation? And I'm looking for reasons beyond simply that, in this case, WL didn't release info that just wasn't as embarrassing for the PTB's as some of us (some of you, I guess) had hoped for.
As already pointed out, WL has been around for years, releasing info that wouldn't make the metro section of the local paper. But somehow, now the fact that they haven't released a treasure trove of rubies is reason for suspicion.
From where I sit, it appears that all the suspicion heaped upon WL of late is based on simple paranoia, some preconceived idea that nothing can possibly go right for us for a change, that all dominoes will continuously fall in the favor of the PTBs.
With all due respect, OI, I think you and a few others here are overly paranoid and that you are not simply letting the facts speak for themselves. I think you are instead slanting your interpretation of these facts improperly due to this paranoia.
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#19. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#18)
NOT ONE WORD ABOUT ISRAELI OPERATIONS MENTIONED IN ALL THESE LEAKED DOCUMENTS.
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Ergo, I continue to believe that it's a mossad op.
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Ergo, I continue to believe that it's a mossad op.
#24. To: Original_Intent (#14)
And as I pointed out sophisticated disinformation operations do not pop up over night like mushrooms after a rain shower. They are built up over time.
I do not have a "must have" on people agreeing.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
#25. To: Esso (#24)
Most likely, WL started out on the up-and- up, then was co-opted by the mossad after they gained some credibility. That's the judeo way.
Jeeze, I do. If someone doesn't agree with me, they're either ill-informed, not paying attention, whacked out of their mind on TeeVee, fluoride, poison vaccines, big pharma, etc. or just plain stupid. At that point, I write them off and move on.
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