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Title: Tortured FBI whistleblower warns WikiLeaks fans
Source: examiner.com and Rense.com
URL Source: http://www.examiner.com/human-right ... tleblower-warns-wikileaks-fans
Published: Dec 9, 2010
Author: Deborah Dupré
Post Date: 2010-12-10 07:45:07 by GreyLmist
Keywords: WikiLeaks, Cointelpro, Legal Restorative Justice Revo
Views: 898
Comments: 83

An FBI whistleblower has alerted that supporting WikiLeaks founder, Julius Assange and subsequently calling for revolution due to government cover-ups are intended results of a counterintelligence reverse tactic not in best interest of the public.

Bob Levin, FBI targeted whistleblower since 2000, knows sophisticated counterintelligence tactics designed to manipulate the unwitting.

Levin has lectured Special Agents in Training at the FBI Academy in Quantico, Virginia. He has been requested to brief Counterterrorism Taskforce Agents relating to his skill sets and investigative techniques.

“My background was in codes and local, specialized state and federal law enforcement that ended in the FBI,” Levin wrote to this writer in an email.

Levin is now one of thousands of Targeted Individuals in the United States, battling to survive both a hidden form of CIA torture he knows to be part of the CIA Torture Paradigm inflicting citizens in U.S. neighborhoods plus ongoing Cointelpro tactics used in conjunction with the torure. The combined effect is to ruin lives and even assassinate.

The torture Levin experiences is hidden by nature of military grade Directed Energy technology used on targets and their property. This form of torture is also hidden by mainstream media, another indication that corporate owned media no longer serves best interest of the public.

“I became a validated FBI whistleblower in 2000 and have remained sanctioned in political retribution while targeted under the CIA Torture Paradigm and ongoing illegal Cointelpro operations.

On December 8, Levin distributed an emailed alert using the following example posted by a WikiLeaks supporter:

“People NEED to be supporting Julian Assange through this ridiculous time. What a brave man for sharing the truth with the world. The governments of the world are just digging themselves a hole. IT'S TIME FOR A REVOLUTION!!!”

Levin’s email warned about “FBI, CIA and NSA counterintelligence reverse tactics used to bait passionate persons into an actionable trap.”

The recent operation on Somali and Nicaraguan youths that psychologically herded them into acts of terrorism need be a warning to Americans about PSYOPS master-minded so that innocent people are roped into actions against their best interest according to Levin.

“I’ve trained agents to do this against criminal targets, but as we know, these agencies have increasingly been politicized like the Gestapo,” he stated.

Legal Restorative Justice Revolution

Answering the call to support WikiLeaks and revolt, Levin advocates a restorative revolution under lawful terms of the U.S. Declaration of Independence.

This type of revolution “begins with a series of nation strikes and boycotts, followed by insistence that the USDOJ prosecute culpable congressional actors under FBI investigations as named by whistleblower patriots.”

Beyond that, Levin says, “It is imperative that no person allow their passions to exceed lawful conduct or solicit any manner of harm to another human being.”

“We the people must stand with a greater moral compass than the continuing criminal enterprise operating beneath the mask of the U.S. government.”

“What is important for activists not coming from my background to remember is that there are regular good people in the FBI, CIA and other agencies. There are exceptions in most things and we notice the outlaws more than those following their oaths.

How many FBI are good guys?

“At least 85% of one FBI field office shares my views,” says Levin.

“Hollywood's depiction of the FBI has a lot of BS.”

According to Levin, agents curse like sailors behind closed doors, some hold their own drinking bourbon, and others are incredible bakers and dinner party hosts.

“The point is that we are only as strong as the weakest of our parts and cannot allow the corrupt ruling class to turn us against ourselves.”

Countering sophisticated psychological operations calls for knowledge and restraint, else targets in the WikiLeaks scenario, including the American public, can be easily be led to act against its best interest.

“I hope you will share my thoughts with others and please do not support any violent or unlawful activities possibly solicited by others who do not possess your good character”

Levin’s opinions can be viewed online within All Voices and Scribd.

According to Levin, when his Blackfile summary report is published, its pages of truth will dwarf present embarrassment of the government from Julian Assange and WikiLeaks' released diplomatic communications.

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#24. To: GreyLmist (#0)

U.S. Declaration of Independence.

While I knew it wouldn't be the preamble.

agents curse like sailors behind closed doors, some hold their own drinking bourbon, and others are incredible bakers and dinner party hosts.

That's nice.

Any racists? (not named Levin, that is.)

A Paul for President!
Whites need to be shown darkie won't vote for him.

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2010-12-10   13:13:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Original_Intent (#21)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-12-10   13:27:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Eric Stratton (#23)

If I were in an LEO role and were told to go do something unconstitutional, I fucking-guarantee you that my resignation would be on the desk of my boss as soon after as long as it took me to type the fucking thing.

There is a flip side to that. If all the people with decent tendencies quit, rather than trying to be as decent as they can be what kind of people does that leave?

Quitting, and separating is a solution, but we need decent people in those positions and to establish a means to identify the sociopaths and psychos and get rid of THEM.

I don't have a good short term solution. I can look at it and say "well this would be the ideal scene", but we do not currently have the "ideal scene". So, what is needed is not an exodus of all the good people but putting in ethics to identify the bad ones, get rid of them, and clean up the decent ones that are left.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-12-10   13:27:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: All (#21)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-12-10   13:27:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Eric Stratton (#27)

These people get paid, to uphold our Constitution and thereby Liberty! If they cannot do that, then accepting money to silently acquiesce to something else, at least in my book, and when they're not earning it otherwise, is worse than just collecting a welfare check and food stamps!

If welfare recipients were doubled/tripled/quadrupled and corporate welfare stopped ... we'd have a surplus beyond measure.

Your comments above are perfect !

"Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Revere God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man".

noone222  posted on  2010-12-10   13:33:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Original_Intent (#26)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-12-10   13:36:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: noone222 (#28)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-12-10   13:37:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Original_Intent (#26) (Edited)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-12-10   13:41:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Original_Intent (#26) (Edited)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-12-10   13:46:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Eric Stratton (#29)

Would you agree to that? Otherwise WTF's the difference besides that one's physical while one's financial?

Don't take me wrong - I would not even apply for such a position.

Please don't take this personally as it's nowhere near meant to be, but this qualifies for naive post of the day.

Nothing naive about it at all. I recognize that the government, via SOME corrupt people running the show is at this juncture little different from La Cosa Nostra (if anything the Mob is more ethical and more benign). What I was stating is what needs to be in place to correct the problem. While we may both desire an ideal scene what we have to work with is the existing scene.

Why are you defending people acquiescing to tyranny?!?!

I am not defending them. I am trying to be objective and look rationally at what needs to be done to correct the situation, and not becoming enwrapped in my emotional response to stomach turning evil. Rejecting it is a good thing, but in a world of broken straws we have to look for a workable solution. Absolutes are only obtainable in theory. I am a realist with idealistic tendencies, but a realist nonetheless. Absolutes are not obtainable in the real world. We can, over time, push the existing scene closer to the ideal scene, but just as the corruption did not become the norm over night the solution will not, cannot, be implemented over night. If I were dictator for a year I could, and would, ruthlessly excise much of the corruption, but that is not reality.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-12-10   13:58:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Eric Stratton (#32)

Just wait until "all the stops" are pulled out and LEOs have the authority to go full bore. We'll see how many "good ones" there are then.

I ain't holdin' my breath!

And frankly, if you're right, then they should "frag" themselves within 72 hours at that point, right? And then we have absolutely nothing to worry about, so why worry, it'll all shake out when the orders for a full-bore police-state go active.

Funny though, I don't see it happening incrementally though. I mean how much reaction from within the LEO community do you see? I see absolutely nothing significant. It won't change when the code red orders are given!

Like in Nazi Germany or Stalin's USSR good people WILL do horrific things under the right wrong conditions. That is why we have to work to forestall that ever coming to be. That is why we have so much ongoing Psychiatric conditioning in our society via "Tee Bee" and "Video Games" as well as common culture such as "Gangsta' Rap". It is a concerted push to normalize the abnormal - to make perversion the norm. Rejecting is the right thing to do. However, correcting it and eliminating it is the objective.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-12-10   14:03:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#16) (Edited)

If you get a chance, would you mind listening to this and tell me your impressions?

www.republicoftheunitedst...eklyNotice-12- 08-2010.mp3

It's from www.republicoftheunitedstates.o rg

Thanks.

Gladly and as soon as I can. Thanks very much for the links to introduce us to more friends of the Constitution working together in alliance to assist Americans back to it on a Peaceable path. I checked out the website and think our Founders would give this statement their approval:

Who are “We”- We are Americans. All of us may not agree with all of these qualities/virtues, but we are Americans that want true freedom. We are Americans like all the many others out there that know something is wrong. We are Americans that have taken action, using a pen, through peaceable means.

Conservative/Or Maybe Not - Honorable - Pro-Liberty - Freedom to God Worshiping - Pro-Smaller Government

Non-Confrontational - Pro-Freedom - Hard Working - Pro- Securing Our Borders - Non-Violent

Pro-Justice - Tax Paying - Peace Loving - Children Loving - Patriotic - Truth Seeking

We believe that the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution for the united States of America as conceived by the founding fathers would if administered as conceived, return Americans back to a freedom and prosperity that cannot fully be comprehended.

We believe at this time in history it is the people who may best save our nation. We believe that the current policies and practices by actors that purport to have America’s best interest in mind are morally bankrupt. It is the people then that must create an alternate proposal.

What have “We” done- What a group of Americans have done then is simple! We have restored “The Republic of the united States of America”. The vehicle used to accomplish this task were Americans who stood up. The fuel was left for us over 220 years ago in the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution for the united States of America, the Bill of Rights, Amendments, 11, 12, and the original 13th.

A plan supported by many Americans in all 50 republic “states” was implemented. That plan created a provisional structure where Americans can peaceably assemble and re-inhabit the de Jure seats of government as intended by our founding fathers.

What can “We” offer – We, being the people who stood up, through the construct of the “Restored Republic” offer to all Americans true liberty, freedom, and justice for all. All that is required is your say so.

What will it do? – When all Americans that are not happy with the path our nation is clearly headed down, join those that have already signed onto “The Republic of the united States of America”, our future can and will be transformed back to a de Jure form of governance as originally intended. The specific benefits shall be described in forthcoming press releases.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2010-12-10   14:37:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#24) (Edited)

Article: agents curse like sailors behind closed doors, some hold their own drinking bourbon, and others are incredible bakers and dinner party hosts.

You: That's nice.

Any racists? (not named Levin, that is.)

Your guess is probably as good as mine.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2010-12-10   14:57:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Original_Intent (#33)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-12-10   15:53:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Original_Intent (#34)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-12-10   16:01:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Eric Stratton (#37)

Now, is that the kind of people we need as cops? Angry dyke types that likely have absolutely no morality but their own?

No, but that is exactly the type of personality that the controllers are screening for. She looks like TSA "material".

Again, this statement leaves me scratching my head!!

No, we can't.

You/we are absolutely not going to push anything towards the "ideal!" Ain't happening!!!

And I simply think you are being too pessimistic. We are in a dark hour but the game is not yet decided.

But we are never going to achieve anything at all unless we break free from the central banking system. And that ain't happening without a heapin' helpin' of major societal trauma. But to expect agents within it to change it from within, yes, it's complete folly.

But I don't expect change from "within". The change is going to come from people outside first pushing and then allying with the few people inside who are courageous enough to want to "clean up Dodge".

Like I said, this is not an overnight proposition, but once the elite's system begins to collapse it is going to go very fast. It just seems slow now because are in the middle of just about the worst of it. However, the contradictions are building and more people are awakening.

No, we aren't there yet and it will likely get a bit worse before it gets better. The next year and a half is going to be tough.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-12-10   16:30:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Eric Stratton (#38)

Look, the founding fathers, John Adams I believe, stated/avered openly that our form of government, that they created, not what now exists, was designed purely for a moral/Godly people and that it was "unsuitable for any other."

Well, we do not have that moral base. So even if we wanted to get back to it, it's impossible. The best that we can hope for is a sliver of that. One whereby out of necessity things function as they should.

Again, while I agree we are facing a dark time. I also see hopeful signs and building counter forces.

However, we do have a fight on our hands.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-12-10   16:33:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Original_Intent (#39)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-12-10   17:41:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Original_Intent (#40) (Edited)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-12-10   17:42:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Eric Stratton (#41)

I'm not sure there's much reason to continue this. We're not making any progress. But the whole talk about the internet now being limited, which would just be the beginning not the end of further limitations, as a result of WikiLeaks, is the very first thing that suggests that you're on the wrong track in your thinking.

Losing the Internet would be a problem, but would not derail the changes that are already taking place.

Perhaps I am optimistic, but while history is to some degree cyclic as Parmenides put it: "You can never step in the same river twice."

The Turd Reich crumbled, Stalin's USSR crumbled, and MAO's China is transforming.

No, the portents are grim, but when I speak to people there is an intangible, a growing awareness. It is hard to put my finger on, but there is the barest hint of a fresh breeze.

We shall see. It may be that the Psychos will have a brief reign, but they are incapable of building a lasting society. Like all psychotics their level of creation is destruction. They only thing they can do well is to destroy. So, we shall see.

Stay Tuned.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-12-10   17:53:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Eric Stratton (#42)

The desire for liberty beats in near every heart. It is simply a matter of fanning the flames to rekindle the torch.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-12-10   17:55:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Original_Intent (#44)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-12-10   17:57:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Original_Intent (#43)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-12-10   17:59:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Eric Stratton (#46)

You seem to think that generally speaking many institutions will remain in tact, whereas I wonder how then change towards liberty will come about.

No, I don't necessarily think that. The basic form will remain the same, but we are in for change, and not the kind of change brought by Barry Barack Hussein Soebama. I don't know what shape it will take, but no, old Parmenides was right. The river will change.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-12-10   18:04:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Original_Intent (#47)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-12-10   18:07:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Original_Intent (#47)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-12-10   21:11:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Eric Stratton (#49)

I was just out and about, and while driving around I was thinking, to counter your points to an extent, it still seems like a vast majority still don't mind the FedGov "doing whatever it takes" to "protect them."

That is ever the case. The majority of people are Sheeple. Only about 3-5 percent actually participated in the American Revolution. The majority of people in the South opposed Secession, but had it driven down their throats by the Legislatures and then they took up arms only because they felt the call of duty to defend their State.

However, I suspect the unseen and under reported statistic is the decline in air travel. People are avoiding air travel when possible. The Thanksgiving Holiday saw a major decline in flying (about 13% from one account I read) and a major increase in people traveling by other means - mostly automobile.

The other element is that people, a lot of them, are still dully taking the schlock sold to them by the controlled media as true. And the media has been doing a lot to promote fear. In keeping with that is the Dyke in Charge of DHS and the new campaign to keep people scared with the watch and snitch campaign at Wally Mart.

People are being bombarded with control messages all scientifically designed by Psychiatrists and Psychologists to push all the right buttons to keep them controlled. So, it is no surprise to me that those who rely on the Idiot Toob and don't read much are firmly under control. And that is the reason the skools were dumbed down. The lower the literacy level the less aware. Our would-be masters and mistresses disapprove of the "lower orders" thinking and being aware. It upsets their sense of superiority, and being intellectual lightweights it just galls them that any of the "lower orders" might be more literate and brighter than they.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-12-10   21:38:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: PSUSA (#18) (Edited)

He said, and I quote, " Beyond that (strikes, silly protests, etc), Levin says, “It is imperative that no person allow their passions to exceed lawful conduct or solicit any manner of harm to another human being.” "

Those were his words, not mine, and the meaning is clear. HE is the one that takes self defense off the table.

Well, I'm putting it on the table myself, alongside the 2nd Amendment. Of course I believe it's best if war doesn't erupt around us and prayerfully hope that it doesn't but of course do use your lawful rights to defend yourself and others if you must from attack. Being destroyed as suicidal sitting ducks would be most unwise and worse than no resistance to the despicable depopulation agendas, etc., of the Tyrannicals. There's some chance that a return to the Constitution can be accomplished with no war casualties inflicted on us if we try to work for that peacefully and determinedly but almost no chance by warpath of accomplishing that without mass casualties and devastation. My opinion is that the only sensible option we have, really, is to peacefully do the best we can to reach our objectives without warmongering and hopefully without being forced into war.

revolutions are not fought by high-minded ideals. They are fought with force. And force is the only thing that the PTB fear. They don't give a flying fuck about protests. He is trying to take away the only real weapon that we have.

Tell me, what do you think a revolution is? Is it done by debate and reason by people wearing Brooks Brothers suits? Or is it done through force, violence and death? Which is it?

It can be done by debate and reason but I prefer a casual dress code. It can be done through force, violence and death. It can be done through both options:

“The Revolution was effected before the War commenced. The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments of their duties and obligations. This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people, was the real American Revolution.” -- John Adams

That shouldn't be construed as an endorsement by me of John Adams as a Founding model of perfection. He wasn't, imo, but I do believe those words are true. I also believe war isn't inevitable if we resist the illusions that it's in our best interest to choose that route as most efficient, most Patriotic, and so on.

I dont like the idea of killing and probably dying myhself, any more than you do. But it is foolish to ignore it and hope it all goes away, or that somehow our leaders suddenly develop a conscience and do the right thing. When is the last time they did that? Psychopaths aren't known for having a conscience.

Yes, it would be foolish to ignore it and it's not likely to all go away if we do nothing constructive to banish it. Hope and work for the best but prepare for other possibilities because they're so habituated to oppression and greed and whatnot. It would be like a miracle if they suddenly developed a conscience and did the right thing but try not to think of them as "our leaders" if they don't do that -- or even if they surprisingly do. My advice is to think of the Constitution as America's leader in governance and people in elected office or appointments or other such capacities as temp-workers who either serve Constitutionally and honorably or don't belong there and forfeit their official assignments and authorizations by breach of contract.

This is where our difference in opinion is coming from. I go by what he [Levin] said, not what I believe he meant. To me, his meaning is clear.

I'm going to try rewording his statement to explain it as I see it: “It is imperative that no person allow their passions to exceed lawful conduct or solicit any manner of harm to another human being.”

It is imperative that no person allow their passions to solicit any manner of harm to another human being or exceed lawful conduct.

Maybe he's just not a top-notch sentence structurer and thought he was implicitly conveying self-defense as obviously within lawful conduct while drawing a distinction between that and unlawful intent to inflict bodily harm as motivated by emotions like vengeance? Goodness knows I'm no expert in judging sentence structure but, if it's still a sticking place with you, I'd say just do what you can to set it aside some and try to focus on his overall message. I got the impression that he was mostly trying to warn WikiLeaks supporters against being hyped-up by entrapment designers to commit violence in revolt and retribution for government cover-ups and Assange's arrest. I'm not a WikiLeaks supporter but thought it was kindly of the author to make the effort to help if he could.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2010-12-10   21:57:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Original_Intent (#50)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-12-10   22:10:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Eric Stratton (#52)

Today one person for the Tyranny can wipe out hundreds, thousands, or even millions.

That is why an armed revolt is flat stupid. The few voices that I see on 4um advocating such are mainly people I've categorized as likely government stooges anyway. Even if I were planning a violent act, which I am not, I sure as hell would not be stupid enough to blab about it on an internet forum.

No, the revolution we are building now is one of ideas and spirituality. If man is to be free and stay free he must first realize that he is a spirit first and a body is nothing more than animate meat - clothing for 1 lifetime only, but that the person, the spirit, or soul if you prefer (I generally avoid the word soul because it promotes misunderstandings - too many people think they HAVE a soul when that is just bass ackwards - they ARE a soul and HAVE a body), is the person not their body.

We are now on the cusp. It is the best of times and worst of times. Which will win out in the end is not yet fully decided, but I think, in the end, the good guys will win out. However, that won't happen if we grow faint of heart and become wrapped up in thinking dim thoughts. In the end the winners always are those who are true to the highest ideals. That also has the advantage of irking the shit out of the psychotics.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-12-10   22:29:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Original_Intent (#53)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-12-11   0:43:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: GreyLmist (#51)

My opinion is that the only sensible option we have, really, is to peacefully do the best we can to reach our objectives without warmongering and hopefully without being forced into war.

I agree with that. So do some of the revolutionary guerrilla leaders that I've read. It's not their politics that I care about, but it's their tactics and strategy that matters.

Just so that the PTB know that violence is a real possibility. We might be outgunned, but they are outnumbered and can't be everywhere at once.

IMO force is the only thing they respect, and fear. But if it can be done by peaceful means, I'm all for it. I'd like nothing better than to live out my life in peace, and I wish that for everyone. But like Burgess Meredith said in Grumpy Old Men, 'you can wish in one hand and crap in the other, and see which fills up first'.

“The Revolution was effected before the War commenced. The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments of their duties and obligations. This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people, was the real American Revolution.” -- John Adams

That shouldn't be construed as an endorsement by me of John Adams as a Founding model of perfection. He wasn't, imo, but I do believe those words are true. I also believe war isn't inevitable if we resist the illusions that it's in our best interest to choose that route as most efficient, most Patriotic, and so on.

I think we have what Adams describes, and I think we have it right now. He referred to "the people", but there were only a relatively few patriots at the beginning. I read somewhere between 3-5% showed up to actually fight at the beginning. I think it's safe to say that we have that number, easily. We'll get more as time goes on.

And I agree that war is not the most efficient and patriotic option. It's the last option. The only thing we get in war is death. And there are other groups out there besides the JBTs and Patriots, that will take advantage of the situation, like they always do. They have to be dealt with as well.

My advice is to think of the Constitution as America's leader in governance and people in elected office or appointments or other such capacities as temp-workers who either serve Constitutionally and honorably or don't belong there and forfeit their official assignments and authorizations by breach of contract.

I agree with that. Ideally, that is how it should work. But it doesn't work that way in real life. You know that as well as I do. What do we do about it? They have run this country into the ground. I dont see that as being their ultimate goal like some here do, but more the result of acting like criminals instead of stewards.

Goodness knows I'm no expert in judging sentence structure but, if it's still a sticking place with you, I'd say just do what you can to set it aside some and try to focus on his overall message. I got the impression that he was mostly trying to warn WikiLeaks supporters against being hyped-up by entrapment designers to commit violence in revolt and retribution for government cover-ups and Assange's arrest.

Fair enough. Let's consider it a warning to wikileaks supporters. I see that as preaching to the choir though. I bet they already know all about entrapment, and I bet that they know what happened to Hal Turner, even if the weasel deserves a cellmate named Tiny.

I just go by what is written, because it's all I can go by. It's when I try and assign alternative meanings to what is written that I can be led astray.

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”I say to each man and woman, you are unique and sovereign, the center of a universe. However right I may be in thinking as I do, you may be equally right in thinking otherwise. You can only accomplish your object in life by complete disregard of the opinions of other people.“ - Aleister Crowley

Jesus Never Existed

PSUSA  posted on  2010-12-11   5:57:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: PSUSA, GreyLmist, Original_Intent (#55)

I just go by what is written, because it's all I can go by. It's when I try and assign alternative meanings to what is written that I can be led astray.

November 10, 2001 - President Bush Speaks to United Nations G.W. Bush:
"We must speak the truth about terror. Let us never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories concerning the attacks of September the 11th; malicious lies that attempt to shift the blame away from the terrorists, themselves, away from the guilty. To inflame ethnic hatred is to advance the cause of terror."


No Planes. Think about it. ................. Guaranteed Penetration (no it's not porn)

wudidiz  posted on  2010-12-11   6:08:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: wudidiz (#56)

We must speak the truth about terror.

When has a politician ever spoken the truth about anything? Maybe back in the horse-and-buggy days. Maybe.

But recently?

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Click for Privacy and Preparedness files

”I say to each man and woman, you are unique and sovereign, the center of a universe. However right I may be in thinking as I do, you may be equally right in thinking otherwise. You can only accomplish your object in life by complete disregard of the opinions of other people.“ - Aleister Crowley

Jesus Never Existed

PSUSA  posted on  2010-12-11   6:13:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: PSUSA (#57)

When has a politician ever spoken the truth about anything?

They're professional liars.


No Planes. Think about it. ................. Guaranteed Penetration (no it's not porn)

wudidiz  posted on  2010-12-11   6:30:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: Eric Stratton (#37)

ditch the central banking system

i for one always thought it was so amusing when the ron paul contingent got so excited & worked up about 'the real prospect' of 'ending the fed'! as if the beast system on earth would be destroyed & dismantled? now that is ludicrous alice in wonderland, rose colored glasses, or whatever you wanna call it, thinking. this doesn't mean i'm hopeless. i always encourage resistance. but i see it as a moral duty more than a belief that things will change. as Jesus said, His Kingdom is not of this world, so my hopes dont lie in ron paul 'ending the fed'. that is truly an absurd notion.in my opinion.

"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2010-12-11   7:36:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: wudidiz (#58)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-12-11   9:22:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: Artisan (#59)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-12-11   9:23:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: Original_Intent (#53)

the revolution we are building now is one of ideas and spirituality. If man is to be free and stay free he must first realize that he is a spirit first and a body is nothing more than animate meat - clothing for 1 lifetime only, but that the person, the spirit, or soul if you prefer (I generally avoid the word soul because it promotes misunderstandings - too many people think they HAVE a soul when that is just bass ackwards - they ARE a soul and HAVE a body), is the person not their body.

We are now on the cusp. It is the best of times and worst of times. Which will win out in the end is not yet fully decided, but I think, in the end, the good guys will win out. However, that won't happen if we grow faint of heart and become wrapped up in thinking dim thoughts. In the end the winners always are those who are true to the highest ideals.

Oh, I think it was decided long ago, and is being played out now.

I wish you would listen to the recording in #16. Background, if you want to wade through it, is here:

freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/re...i?ArtNum=126749&Disp=4#C4

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2010-12-11   10:55:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: Original_Intent (#53)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-12-11   10:59:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: GreyLmist, Original_Intent (#0)

don't know if you've seen this:

Wikileaks founder Julian Assange has close links to the Economist, controlled by the Rothschild banking family

www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=15442

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2010-12-11   15:18:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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