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Title: Elected tea partier Allen West calls for mass censorship of US media
Source: raw story
URL Source: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/12/ ... y-allen-west-censorship-media/
Published: Dec 14, 2010
Author: Eric W. Dolan
Post Date: 2010-12-15 15:51:49 by F.A. Hayek Fan
Keywords: None
Views: 2424
Comments: 133

The government should censor news agencies that report on US documents leaked by websites like WikiLeaks, according to a tea party-backed Republican who will soon represent the 22th district congressional of Florida.

Speaking with an online radio station, Rep.-elect Allen West said that attacks on the US were not limited to "a bomb or an airplane flying into a building," but could occur "through cyber attacks" or "through leaking of very sensitive classified information."

"Regardless of whether you think it causes any harm, the fact that here is an individual that is not an American citizen first and foremost, for whatever reason gotten his hands on classified American material and put it out there in the public domain," West continued. "And I think that we also should be censoring the American news agencies which enabled him to do this and also supported him and applauding him for the efforts. So that's kind of aiding and abetting of a serious crime."

Rep.-elect West is not the first to compare the release of confidential US documents by WikiLeaks to a terrorist attack. Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-KY), Newt Gingrich, Sarah Palin, and Rep. Peter King (R-NY) have made similar comparisons. Even CNN bought into the analogy, wondering if WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange is a "journalist or terrorist" during its coverage of the secrets outlet.

Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee said the person who gave WikiLeaks 250,000 secret diplomatic cables deserves the death penalty. GA_googleFillSlot("Raw_Embedded_300");

Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-CT) said the New York Times, who published documents released by WikiLeaks, "committed at least an act of bad citizenship" and said the news agency deserves "very intensive inquiry by the Justice Department."

In sharp contrast to lawmakers like Rep.-elect West and Sen. Lieberman, Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX) has suggested the world needs "more WikiLeaks."

"In a free society we're supposed to know the truth," Rep. Paul said. "In a society where truth becomes treason, then we're in big trouble. And now, people who are revealing the truth are getting into trouble for it."

Rep. Jim McDermott (D-WA) has also supported the secrets outlet, saying that "if the public doesn't know what's going on, then they can't vote intelligently."

London Metropolitan police arrested WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange last week for a warrant out of Sweden, where he is wanted for questioning in a sexual assault case. He was granted bail by a British judge on Tuesday afternoon but is expected to remain in prison while Swedish authorities appealed the decision.

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#1. To: All (#0)

Meet the new boss - same as the old boss.

I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. - Benjamin Franklin

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-12-15   15:52:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#1)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

"The ground of liberty is to be gained by inches, and we must be contented to secure what we can get from time to time and eternally press forward for what is yet to get. It takes time to persuade men to do even what is for their own good." -- Thomas Jefferson

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2010-12-15   15:55:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: ghostdogtxn (#2)

I took one good look at West's campaign website and figured him for another fascist with a real good tan...

Had a few go rounds here about it.

Of course, the truth will out...

A career, pro-war combat arms officer - yep, he had authoritarian prick written all over him from the get go. He will fit right in with the Republicrat establishment.

I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. - Benjamin Franklin

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-12-15   15:59:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#3)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

"The ground of liberty is to be gained by inches, and we must be contented to secure what we can get from time to time and eternally press forward for what is yet to get. It takes time to persuade men to do even what is for their own good." -- Thomas Jefferson

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2010-12-15   16:01:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: ghostdogtxn (#4)

My beef was with his attacks on his opponent for not being pro-Zionist enough. IIRC, his site talked about how his opponent's support for Israel hadn't been "consistent" (read - servile, craven, fawning) enough.

You investigated him more than I did. I heard one of his pro-war speeches on youtube and decided right then and there his idea of America and mine were not the same.

I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. - Benjamin Franklin

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-12-15   16:04:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: ghostdogtxn, 4 (#4)

For many here, any support of that slc is a deal-breaker.

Somewhere in Kenya, a village is missing its idiot.

Lod  posted on  2010-12-15   16:11:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#5)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

"The ground of liberty is to be gained by inches, and we must be contented to secure what we can get from time to time and eternally press forward for what is yet to get. It takes time to persuade men to do even what is for their own good." -- Thomas Jefferson

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2010-12-15   16:12:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Lod (#6)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

"The ground of liberty is to be gained by inches, and we must be contented to secure what we can get from time to time and eternally press forward for what is yet to get. It takes time to persuade men to do even what is for their own good." -- Thomas Jefferson

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2010-12-15   16:14:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#1)

Rep.-elect West is not the first to compare the release of confidential US documents by WikiLeaks to a terrorist attack. Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-KY), Newt Gingrich, Sarah Palin, and Rep. Peter King (R-NY) have made similar comparisons.

Meet the new boss - same as the old boss.

American voters never learn.

They fall for the pea and shell game every time.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-12-15   16:26:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Cynicom (#9) (Edited)

American voters never learn.

They fall for the pea and shell game every time.

Yes they do. They either believe what they hear at face value or they don't care because they think that the guy from this party will be better than the guy from the other party, refusing to consider this is exactly how both parties WANT them to react. They don't care which side you vote for as long as you vote for ONE of the sides and not against both.

I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. - Benjamin Franklin

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-12-15   16:37:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: 4, *Israeli Espionage* (#0)

I think WikiLeaks is one of the more blatant disinformation operations to come around in quite some time. I think the least Assange could do is create a seal that imprints each dispatch with the words; "This information has been approved by Tel Aviv."

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-12-15   16:44:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: F.A. Hayek Fan, Cynicom, ghostdogtxn (#10)

ghostdogtxn - Fuck You

ShillyConMan - Fuck You

F.A. Hayek Fan - Fuck You

West has not taken office yet, if he turns out to be a JBT, I'll be the first to denounce him. Until then, give the guy a break.

Your short memories & pea brains conveniently forget that the man he'll be replacing (Ron Klein) would take all our freedoms and tax us to death too boot. Everything you criticize West for, Klein would do 4X more/worse.

What you fail to mention is that West will be a champion for the 2nd Amendment, a foe to illegal immigrants and general pain in the ass to anything leftist.

The election of West is progress, but you don't want progress do you? You won't even let the man make his first vote in Congress before your flying monkey attacks begin.

All you do is bitch and whine and sit on your collective useless asses like the losers and malcontents you really are.

You're not fit to live in this country, you should be deported like common wetback criminals.

Fuck You

"The person who agrees with you 80 percent of the time is a friend and an ally — not a 20 percent traitor" - Ronald Reagan

Flintlock  posted on  2010-12-15   17:19:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Flintlock (#12)

West has not taken office yet, if he turns out to be a JBT, I'll be the first to denounce him. Until then, give the guy a break.

Your short memories & pea brains conveniently forget that the man he'll be replacing (Ron Klein) would take all our freedoms and tax us to death too boot. Everything you criticize West for, Klein would do 4X more/worse.

What you fail to mention is that West will be a champion for the 2nd Amendment, a foe to illegal immigrants and general pain in the ass to anything leftist.

The election of West is progress, but you don't want progress do you? You won't even let the man make his first vote in Congress before your flying monkey attacks begin.

All you do is bitch and whine and sit on your collective useless asses like the losers and malcontents you really are.

You're not fit to live in this country, you should be deported like common wetback criminals.

Fuck You

West is a jackboot and has proudly proclaimed it. You are obviously a jackboot licker who enjoys the taste of leather along with your wife's cock. So go fuck yourself loser.

You're not fit to live in this country, you should be deported like common wetback criminals.

Anytime you feel man enough tough guy, just give it a try.

I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. - Benjamin Franklin

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-12-15   17:22:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Flintlock (#12)

You're not fit to live in this country, you should be deported like common wetback criminals.

Good heavens, bum day today?????

Cynicom  posted on  2010-12-15   17:22:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Cynicom, Flintlock (#14)

You're not fit to live in this country, you should be deported like common wetback criminals.

Good heavens, bum day today?????

Negative articles and comments about West interferes with the man-sex fantasies he has with his negro blow-up doll.

I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. - Benjamin Franklin

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-12-15   17:24:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Flintlock (#12)

What you fail to mention is that West will be a champion for the 2nd Amendment, a foe to illegal immigrants and general pain in the ass to anything leftist.

The choice is between the short road to hell and the long one.

They'll let us have our guns while they continue to take dough from corporations that ship our jobs overseas. Then they'll tell our kids whose jobs are in Shanghai and Mumbai to sign up, suit up and ship out on some corrupt and endless foreign adventure.

I've sworn to watch my language around here, but I'm reaching my limit.

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randge  posted on  2010-12-15   17:30:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#15)

The government should censor news agencies that report on US documents leaked by websites like WikiLeaks, according to a tea party-backed Republican who will soon represent the 22th district congressional of Florida.

Censor...that is a very dangerous word.

Start down that path and there is NO return. Lincoln had editors arrested and tried to throw Judges in prison. We dont need that. Roosevelt tried it but cooler heads prevailed.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-12-15   17:30:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: randge (#16)

I've sworn to watch my language around here, but I'm reaching my limit.

Patience is a virtue, unrewarding but true.

When ANYONE MENTIONS CENSOR, I get nervous.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-12-15   17:32:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Cynicom (#17)

Censor...that is a very dangerous word.

Start down that path and there is NO return. Lincoln had editors arrested and tried to throw Judges in prison. We dont need that. Roosevelt tried it but cooler heads prevailed.

The other guy would have done it too so that makes it alright. West is a hero.

I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. - Benjamin Franklin

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-12-15   17:33:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#13)

Anytime you feel man enough tough guy, just give it a try.

Who you trying to kid, bitch?

If we ever met, I'd have to slap you off my dick.

"The person who agrees with you 80 percent of the time is a friend and an ally — not a 20 percent traitor" - Ronald Reagan

Flintlock  posted on  2010-12-15   17:34:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Cynicom (#18)

When OFFICERS RUN FOR OFFICE, I get nervous.

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randge  posted on  2010-12-15   17:34:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#19)

There is nothing this government would like better than for the masses to call for censorship in the name of security.

From the leaks, I see nothing that was earth shattering, mundane classified junk mail, nothing more.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-12-15   17:36:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Flintlock (#20)

If we ever met, I'd have to slap you off my dick.

No, that would be me slapping your wife off of mine.

I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. - Benjamin Franklin

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-12-15   17:36:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: randge (#21)

When OFFICERS RUN FOR OFFICE, I get nervous.

George Washington was an Officer.

Are you unhappy with his record in office too?

"The person who agrees with you 80 percent of the time is a friend and an ally — not a 20 percent traitor" - Ronald Reagan

Flintlock  posted on  2010-12-15   17:37:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#23)

You're a punk

I'll meet you in Rurrenabaque Bolivia and we can have a nice private talk.

Got the money for a ticket?

I doubt it

"The person who agrees with you 80 percent of the time is a friend and an ally — not a 20 percent traitor" - Ronald Reagan

Flintlock  posted on  2010-12-15   17:41:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: randge (#21)

When OFFICERS RUN FOR OFFICE, I get nervous.

Over the past two or three years, there have been a few new faces pop up on the national political scene, and frankly, I see nothing to feel good about.

Paul had the perfect message, just not the messenger. The rest are a woe begone group that need to look for an honest line of work.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-12-15   17:41:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Cynicom (#22)

From the leaks, I see nothing that was earth shattering, mundane classified junk mail, nothing more.

We'll see. You may be right and it's all about nothing. They've released less than 1% of what they have. There is no telling what will "grab the fancy" of the public and cause a scandal that will actually cause damage to the two party fraud.

I'm in wait and see mode. What intrigues me about wikileaks is the POTENTIAL. You and I know that there are people in government who know of things that outrage them or that they know is just plain wrong. IMHO, it is only a matter of time until one of those people provide evidence to wikileaks and it won't matter if the government blocks off access in the US because there is media all over the world and the truth will prevail.

I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. - Benjamin Franklin

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-12-15   17:42:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: F.A. Hayek Fan, Flintlock (#23)

If we ever met, I'd have to slap you off my dick.

No, that would be me slapping your wife off of mine.

Gentlemen, it might be a good rule of thumb to limit language to what you might use in a heated political discussion face to face.

I don't think you guys would speak this way socially. I've been reading post like these for years now, and this shit gets tedious. This is one reason why EL PEE has become such a hell hole.

It's a lead pipe cinch (knowing the quality of both your postings over the years) that both of you have more intelligent things to say about Allen West and the incoming Congress than is evident in the previous exchange.

Cheers.

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randge  posted on  2010-12-15   17:43:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Flintlock (#25)

You're a punk

I'll meet you in Rurrenabaque Bolivia and we can have a nice private talk.

Got the money for a ticket?

I doubt it

Fly to Bolivia so that I can watch you have child sex with little boys? No, thanks.

I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. - Benjamin Franklin

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-12-15   17:44:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#27)

I'm in wait and see mode. What intrigues me about wikileaks is the POTENTIAL.

True, the unknown to us may be of great interest.

One thing bothers me, that is how did a low level grunt have access to such material in such a volume. In my day it was a strictly on a ...need to know basis...from the highest to the lowest classification.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-12-15   17:45:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Cynicom (#22) (Edited)

From the leaks, I see nothing that was earth shattering, mundane classified junk mail, nothing more.

About those Wikileaks. The folks dribbling in their Maypo at the nursing home have better intel via the shortwaves they dangle out their windows. If anyone can put a cork in Julian Assange very gay yap I'll send them a box of Cubans and some decent scotch.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-12-15   17:46:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: randge (#28)

I don't think you guys would speak this way socially. I've been reading post like these for years now, and this shit gets tedious. This is one reason why EL PEE has become such a hell hole.

It's a lead pipe cinch (knowing the quality of both your postings over the years) that both of you have more intelligent things to say about Allen West and the incoming Congress than is evident in the previous exchange.

Thank you and I second that motion.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-12-15   17:47:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#29)

No, thanks.

In addition to being a punk and a loser, you're a coward.

I knew it

"The person who agrees with you 80 percent of the time is a friend and an ally — not a 20 percent traitor" - Ronald Reagan

Flintlock  posted on  2010-12-15   17:47:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: randge, 4 (#28)

Bump to #28

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-12-15   17:49:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Cynicom (#30)

One thing bothers me, that is how did a low level grunt have access to such material in such a volume. In my day it was a strictly on a ...need to know basis...from the highest to the lowest classification.

It all depends on what his MOS was, where his duty station was and the position he held. I was "red-lined" to work on classified military and State Department communications equipment and although I never had access to any information, there were tons of people of all ranks who worked in those facilities that did have access.

I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. - Benjamin Franklin

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-12-15   17:50:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Flintlock (#33)

Two can play that game numb nuts. I will be in Nashville from the 23-27th. I will be glad to meet you there. Now be there or you yourself are the coward.

I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. - Benjamin Franklin

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-12-15   17:52:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Flintlock (#24) (Edited)

You know, I was expecting that response just as I was hitting the submit button.

Washington was a revolutionary leader and a man who knew how to think out of the box. He was not the last general in the WH for whom I have regard. There was Andrew Jackson and Dwight Eisenhower. They were men of vision in their own different ways.

Notwithstanding these models of leadership and guts, though I find that the officer class in this country, as in all other countries that I've been to, are afflicted with a management mentality of lowered horizons and an authoritarian outlook that limit the vision and independence of mind that it will take to solve the set of problems that we face.

What we have in Washington right now though and in all our state houses is an even worse species of human - lawyers. I don't believe that I'll get a lot of flack on this board if I say that among whatever groups that populate our legislatures, it's the law hacks that are the worst - much worse than military men.

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randge  posted on  2010-12-15   17:56:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Cynicom (#30)

One thing bothers me, that is how did a low level grunt have access to such material in such a volume.

Cyni, the government is asking that we believe he acted alone and then bragged about the intelligence he gathered on the Internet for months before he was 'apprehended.' Since the leaks, the furor over the TSA, the trillions in deficits, the mystery missile launch off the coast of LA, and the N. Korean assaults - to name a few - have all vanished off the front pages. Amazing, eh?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-12-15   17:57:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#0)

"And I think that we also should be censoring the American news agencies which enabled him to do this and also supported him and applauding him for the efforts. So that's kind of aiding and abetting of a serious crime."

If these documents are legit and not phony and are truly classified, then I don't see why the New York Times is allowed to publish them and not be prosecuted for treason. Yes it is in the public domain, but it is still classified and they shouldn't be printing it and they know it.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2010-12-15   18:02:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Jethro Tull (#38)

Everything about these Wikileak leaks doesn't add up.

From folks I've talked to, a low level guy cannot make the requests to download this mass of material without generating flags that require management approval.

Once again the grunt gets it in the neck and everyone else don't know from Adam.

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randge  posted on  2010-12-15   18:03:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: RickyJ (#39)

I don't see why the New York Times is allowed to publish them and not be prosecuted for treason

Because, my friend, this is not Britain or Europe, and we don't have "prior restraint." (Look it up.)

We also do not have an Official Secrets Act.

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randge  posted on  2010-12-15   18:05:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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