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Title: Elected tea partier Allen West calls for mass censorship of US media
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URL Source: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/12/ ... y-allen-west-censorship-media/
Published: Dec 14, 2010
Author: Eric W. Dolan
Post Date: 2010-12-15 15:51:49 by F.A. Hayek Fan
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The government should censor news agencies that report on US documents leaked by websites like WikiLeaks, according to a tea party-backed Republican who will soon represent the 22th district congressional of Florida. Speaking with an online radio station, Rep.-elect Allen West said that attacks on the US were not limited to "a bomb or an airplane flying into a building," but could occur "through cyber attacks" or "through leaking of very sensitive classified information." "Regardless of whether you think it causes any harm, the fact that here is an individual that is not an American citizen first and foremost, for whatever reason gotten his hands on classified American material and put it out there in the public domain," West continued. "And I think that we also should be censoring the American news agencies which enabled him to do this and also supported him and applauding him for the efforts. So that's kind of aiding and abetting of a serious crime." Rep.-elect West is not the first to compare the release of confidential US documents by WikiLeaks to a terrorist attack. Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-KY), Newt Gingrich, Sarah Palin, and Rep. Peter King (R-NY) have made similar comparisons. Even CNN bought into the analogy, wondering if WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange is a "journalist or terrorist" during its coverage of the secrets outlet. Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee said the person who gave WikiLeaks 250,000 secret diplomatic cables deserves the death penalty. GA_googleFillSlot("Raw_Embedded_300"); Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-CT) said the New York Times, who published documents released by WikiLeaks, "committed at least an act of bad citizenship" and said the news agency deserves "very intensive inquiry by the Justice Department." In sharp contrast to lawmakers like Rep.-elect West and Sen. Lieberman, Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX) has suggested the world needs "more WikiLeaks." "In a free society we're supposed to know the truth," Rep. Paul said. "In a society where truth becomes treason, then we're in big trouble. And now, people who are revealing the truth are getting into trouble for it." Rep. Jim McDermott (D-WA) has also supported the secrets outlet, saying that "if the public doesn't know what's going on, then they can't vote intelligently." London Metropolitan police arrested WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange last week for a warrant out of Sweden, where he is wanted for questioning in a sexual assault case. He was granted bail by a British judge on Tuesday afternoon but is expected to remain in prison while Swedish authorities appealed the decision.
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#41. To: RickyJ (#39)
Because, my friend, this is not Britain or Europe, and we don't have "prior restraint." (Look it up.) We also do not have an Official Secrets Act.
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡ "The ground of liberty is to be gained by inches, and we must be contented to secure what we can get from time to time and eternally press forward for what is yet to get. It takes time to persuade men to do even what is for their own good." -- Thomas Jefferson
Fuckin' aye tweet, and that's the way it shall stay.
Truly amazing. It is scary how some news items disappear down a black hole, forgotten. In the olde military, I knew squat beyond what I HAD to know and there was NO access to anything else. This sounds like a wooden nickle to me.
Because we have been through this before (The Pentagon papers as well other incidents) and the USSC has long determined that they ARE allowed to publish such information because although it is the governments job to protect its secrets, it's not any one else's. Or something to that effect. I am paraphrasing, of course. Google Pentagon papers and USSC and you will probably find the ruling or articles about it.
I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. - Benjamin Franklin
From folks I've talked to, a low level guy cannot make the requests to download this mass of material without generating flags that require management approval. Once again the grunt gets it in the neck and everyone else don't know from Adam. Roger wilko on this steaming bag of poop.
If anyone provides "real" information to WeakeyLinks they'll be whacked before they have a chance to share it with anyone else. You may not wish to believe where the evidence points, but it is quite clear to me, and a lot of very savvy people, that WeakeyLinks is being run by an Intelligence Agency - most likely Mossad.
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha
...steaming bag of poop. ...steaming bag of poop. That pretty well sums the PsyOp known as Wikileaks to a "T".
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha
You have provided ZERO evidence, just conjecture.
I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. - Benjamin Franklin
If you mean the communists in the press, than I can understand his reasons. After two years of the communists falsely accusing and constantly demonizing the pro-american tea party members of being everything from racist bigots, to traitors, to rapists and murders, I am glad to see the tea party go on the offensive against these quisling scumbags.
Of course you are. I would expect nothing less from a boot licker such as yourself.
I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. - Benjamin Franklin
It is not censorship if you are denying a group from lying. The First Amendment is not about protecting lying.
You have your head so far up the ass of communism that you are french kissing the tongue in it's mouth. All I see you do is complain and you do not offer any solutions.
You throw that word around so much at people who disagree with your authoritarian outlook on life that it is obvious that you have absolutley no idea what it means. All I see you do is complain and you do not offer any solutions. As opposed to your solution of censoring everyone that says something you dislike.
I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. - Benjamin Franklin
I am into self preservation. You are the authoritarian plant. Like any plant, you politically attack any offensive movement by americans against our oppressors that are trying to put us americans into earlier graves. Self defense and self preservation justifies all actions. I have no problem with silencing (shutting them up) those whom would gladly murder my family, friends, and I. Steal our properties. Destroy our culture. And corrupt our history with lies. As far as I am concerned, such monsters need to be imprisoned for treason, and for the safety of the freedom loving population. And it is you whom cheer on such monsters, because you are one of those monsters.
As usual, you open your mouth out pours nonsense. Once again, you have no idea what you are talking about. A simple search shows: No lie, state Supreme Court rules candidates can make false statements Fox News Has a First Amendment Right to Lie – Updated Court says lying about Medal of Honor no crime Now if you can find a USSC decision that overturns any of these I would be interested in seeing it. I couldn't find any.
I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. - Benjamin Franklin
I have already stated what you are. You only believe what your communist masters tell you to believe.
LOL! Not only are you stupid as a stump you are deranged. War is peace! Black is white!
I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. - Benjamin Franklin
Mere speculative babble, again? If not, back up your position with documented FACT. If its so clear to you and so many people, then some hardcore FACT is required. But, I have lived to learn that most of your posts (although well intended) are hot-aire.
"In a free society we're supposed to know the truth," ... "In a society where truth becomes treason, then we're in big trouble. And now, people who are revealing the truth are getting into trouble for it" -- Ron Paul, circa 2010-12-02
That still doesn't take away from the fact that you have no idea what you are talking about now does it.
I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. - Benjamin Franklin
Of course you would continue with your lies.
No, it is not you whom does not understand human nature. The American population are an abused and dispossessed people primed for a backlash against their oppressors, and the oppressors' supporters. And when the backlash happens, and it will, I would not want to be in your quisling shoes. When the people come for the press that had being lying about them , and demonizing them for decades, the press will cry about their "First Amendment rights", and the people will not care. All the people will care about will be retribution against all those whom have harmed them.
Bump for a good post on this lying stuff. The first amendment doesn't just guarantee facts else we would all be in prison by now.
"In a free society we're supposed to know the truth," ... "In a society where truth becomes treason, then we're in big trouble. And now, people who are revealing the truth are getting into trouble for it" -- Ron Paul, circa 2010-12-02
Uh buckie? Earth to buckie? Earth to buckie? Do you read me buckie? When was the last time you heard an Intelligence Agency broadcast that they are running a PsyOp? Twenty-Five Ways To Suppress Truth: The Rules of Disinformation 3. Create rumor mongers. Avoid discussing issues by describing all charges, regardless of venue or evidence, as mere rumors and wild accusations. Other derogatory terms mutually exclusive of truth may work as well. This method which works especially well with a silent press, because the only way the public can learn of the facts are through such 'arguable rumors'. If you can associate the material with the Internet, use this fact to certify it a 'wild rumor' from a 'bunch of kids on the Internet' which can have no basis in fact. I didn't think so.
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha
You have provided ZERO evidence, just conjecture. No, that is not true. I have posted multiple articles which deatail Assange's connections, operations, and the fact that people who have dealt with him intimately are working to distance themselves from him. Short of a "leak" when you are dealing with an intelligence agency operation, which WeakeyLinks most likely is, then all you are going to get is circumstantial evidence. That you are incapable of reading the evidence and exercising elementary logical deduction and inference is your failing not mine. "“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha
Lying to a cop is a crime, which means all lies can be made illegal.
We were not talking about human nature. Try to focus. I know that it is hard for you. We were talking about your factually incorrect statement. According to the courts, lying is protected by the First Amendment. Unless you are lying to the government, of course. Not surprisingly, the Republican and Democrat chosen "justices" have determined that the government can lie to you but you are not allowed to lie to the government. The American population are an abused and dispossessed people primed for a backlash against their oppressors, and the oppressors' supporters. You are living in a dreamworld. You make the mistake of thinking that the people who post on internet political forums represent the thoughts of the American people. They don't. The average American has no idea what is happening around them because they "don't like politics" or they think it "doesn't concern them." They are perfectly happy living as drones as long as they have their Playstations and cable TV or Dish networks. And when the backlash happens, and it will, I would not want to be in your quisling shoes. I hate to break this to you Shirley, but not being an authoritarian Republican bootlicker like yourself does not make me a quisling. When the people come for the press that had being lying about them , and demonizing them for decades, the press will cry about their "First Amendment rights", and the people will not care. All the people will care about will be retribution against all those whom have harmed them. Riggghhht. You keep telling yourself that. Pigs have a better chance of flying out of your ass.
I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. - Benjamin Franklin
You have posted multiple links of other people making conjectures. How do you know THEY aren't the ones running the psyops operation? From my reading of the people distancing themselves from Assange they have been doing so because they disagreed with the way he was releasing the information. To my knowledge, not a single one of them has stood up and declared he was a Mossad or CIA operative.
I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. - Benjamin Franklin
As for me being stupid, I guess it's a cross I will have to bare. We can't all be genius conspiracy sniffer-outers like you.
I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. - Benjamin Franklin
That's your only fact? Wow ... you are really on a roll down-hill these past days aren't you?
"In a free society we're supposed to know the truth," ... "In a society where truth becomes treason, then we're in big trouble. And now, people who are revealing the truth are getting into trouble for it" -- Ron Paul, circa 2010-12-02
When two different court rulings come into conflict each other, there is third ruling, which will happen in the future. You continue to defend your authoritarian masters.
If and only if, he is commissioned to interrogate you. At that point, you should just show a photo ID and shaddup. But lies are a natural occurrence within any society from exaggerated claims of products by their respective manufacturers to politicians smiling that pretty white smile to Presidents that create war out of thin aire. The first says nothing about lying or the truth; if it did, you would have read it. What the broad interpretation of the first amendment is: little or no government intrusion on the dissemination of information; and that includes the Internet.
"In a free society we're supposed to know the truth," ... "In a society where truth becomes treason, then we're in big trouble. And now, people who are revealing the truth are getting into trouble for it" -- Ron Paul, circa 2010-12-02
There will be no third ruling. It is the double standard that the two-party fraud you are constantly defending wants. You continue to defend your authoritarian masters. Says the guy who attacks anyone who says anything bad about the government. LOL! I really do not know who it is you are trying to fool because no one on this site is falling for it.
I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. - Benjamin Franklin
2. Says the guy who attacks anyone who says anything bad about the government. 1. You are the one that posted those links defending that hypocrisy. 2. You are the one defending the voice of government. And you are the one attacking pro-freedom movements.
Several times on this thread you have stated that the TEA Party is a Pro-American movement (or similar expression). Why do you believe that?
"In a free society we're supposed to know the truth," ... "In a society where truth becomes treason, then we're in big trouble. And now, people who are revealing the truth are getting into trouble for it" -- Ron Paul, circa 2010-12-02
Educating you on your ignorance of the 1st Amendment is not defending the hypocrisy of the two-party fraud. That's like trying to say that telling you that abortion is legal is defending abortion. It's not. 2. You are the one defending the voice of government. And you are the one attacking pro-freedom movements. You have a very active imagination. I neither defended government nor attacked anyone but Flintlock, who attacked me first.
I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. - Benjamin Franklin
Their statements and actions.
Like the second amendment, how the lying press views the first amendment is not how it was originally intended.
Several times on this thread you have stated that the TEA Party is a Pro-American movement (or similar expression). I never said a word about the Tea Party on this thread. He's making things up.
I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. - Benjamin Franklin
What has the TEA Party performed besides a few protests with Sarah Palin as their figurehead [as] "Taxed Enough Already" .... this stuff has been going on for many decades with an assortment of political groups from communists to libertarians.
"In a free society we're supposed to know the truth," ... "In a society where truth becomes treason, then we're in big trouble. And now, people who are revealing the truth are getting into trouble for it" -- Ron Paul, circa 2010-12-02
I agree completely with that statement but the subject was lying and the first amendment.
I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. - Benjamin Franklin
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestI don't see why the New York Times is allowed to publish them and not be prosecuted for treason
#42. To: RickyJ (#39)
#43. To: ghostdogtxn (#42)
we are not "subjects" of the government; ie, the government doesn't own us.
#44. To: Jethro Tull, Original_Intent (#38)
Amazing, eh?
#45. To: RickyJ (#39)
If these documents are legit and not phony and are truly classified, then I don't see why the New York Times is allowed to publish them and not be prosecuted for treason. Yes it is in the public domain, but it is still classified and they shouldn't be printing it and they know it.
#46. To: randge (#40)
Everything about these Wikileak leaks doesn't add up.
#47. To: F.A. Hayek Fan, Cynicom, all (#27)
I'm in wait and see mode. What intrigues me about wikileaks is the POTENTIAL. You and I know that there are people in government who know of things that outrage them or that they know is just plain wrong. IMHO, it is only a matter of time until one of those people provide evidence to wikileaks and it won't matter if the government blocks off access in the US because there is media all over the world and the truth will prevail.
#48. To: Jethro Tull, randge, all (#46)
...steaming bag of poop.
#49. To: Original_Intent (#47)
You may not wish to believe where the evidence points,
#50. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#0)
Elected tea partier Allen West calls for mass censorship of US media
#51. To: PaulCJ (#50)
After two years of the communists falsely accusing and constantly demonizing the pro-american tea party members of being everything from racist bigots, to traitors, to rapists and murders, I am glad to see the tea party go on the offensive against these quisling scumbags.
#52. To: Cynicom (#22)
There is nothing this government would like better than for the masses to call for censorship in the name of security.
#53. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#51)
Of course you are. I would expect nothing less from a boot licker such as yourself.
#54. To: PaulCJ (#53)
You have your head so far up the ass of communism that you are french kissing the tongue in it's mouth.
#55. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#54)
You throw that word around so much at people who disagree with your authoritarian outlook on life that it is obvious that you have absolutley no idea what it means.
#56. To: PaulCJ, Cynicom (#52)
It is not censorship if you are denying a group from lying. The First Amendment is not about protecting lying.
#57. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#56)
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As usual, you open your mouth out pours nonsense.
#58. To: PaulCJ (#55)
#59. To: Original_Intent (#47)
If anyone provides "real" information to WeakeyLinks they'll be whacked before they have a chance to share it with anyone else.
You may not wish to believe where the evidence points, but it is quite clear to me, and a lot of very savvy people, that WeakeyLinks is being run by an Intelligence Agency - most likely Mossad.
#60. To: PaulCJ (#57)
I have already stated what you are. You only believe what your communist masters tell you to believe.
#61. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#58)
Not only are you stupid as a stump you are deranged.
#62. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#60)
That still doesn't take away from the fact that you have no idea what you are talking about now does it.
#63. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#56)
#64. To: buckeroo (#59)
I have posted multiple articles documenting what we do and do not know about WeakeyLeaks, and they present a pretty good case that WeakeyLeaks is some form of Intelligence Agency Operation. Based on "cui bono?" (who benefits?) the most likely suspect is Israeli Intelligence.
And your proof the WeakeyLinks is on the up and up is...?
#65. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#49)
You may not wish to believe where the evidence points,
#66. To: buckeroo (#63)
Bump for a good post on this lying stuff.
#67. To: PaulCJ (#62)
No, it is not you whom does not understand human nature.
#68. To: Original_Intent (#65)
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#69. To: Original_Intent (#65)
#70. To: Original_Intent (#64)
When was the last time you heard an Intelligence Agency broadcast that they are running a PsyOp?
#71. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#67)
Unless you are lying to the government, of course.
#72. To: PaulCJ (#66)
Lying to a cop is a crime, which means all lies can be made illegal.
#73. To: PaulCJ (#71)
When two different court rulings come into conflict each other, there is third ruling, which will happen in the future.
#74. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#73)
1. It is the double standard that the two-party fraud you are constantly defending wants.
#75. To: PaulCJ, F.A. Hayek Fan (#74)
And you [F.A. Hayek Fan] are the one attacking pro-freedom movements.
#76. To: PaulCJ (#74)
1. You are the one that posted those links defending that hypocrisy.
#77. To: buckeroo (#75)
Why do you believe that?
#78. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#76)
Educating you on your ignorance of the 1st Amendment is not defending the hypocrisy of the two-party fraud.
#79. To: buckeroo (#75)
And you [F.A. Hayek Fan] are the one attacking pro-freedom movements.
#80. To: PaulCJ (#77)
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#81. To: PaulCJ (#78)
Like the second amendment, how the lying press views the first amendment is not how it was originally intended.
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