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Title: Elected tea partier Allen West calls for mass censorship of US media
Source: raw story
URL Source: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/12/ ... y-allen-west-censorship-media/
Published: Dec 14, 2010
Author: Eric W. Dolan
Post Date: 2010-12-15 15:51:49 by F.A. Hayek Fan
Keywords: None
Views: 2245
Comments: 133

The government should censor news agencies that report on US documents leaked by websites like WikiLeaks, according to a tea party-backed Republican who will soon represent the 22th district congressional of Florida.

Speaking with an online radio station, Rep.-elect Allen West said that attacks on the US were not limited to "a bomb or an airplane flying into a building," but could occur "through cyber attacks" or "through leaking of very sensitive classified information."

"Regardless of whether you think it causes any harm, the fact that here is an individual that is not an American citizen first and foremost, for whatever reason gotten his hands on classified American material and put it out there in the public domain," West continued. "And I think that we also should be censoring the American news agencies which enabled him to do this and also supported him and applauding him for the efforts. So that's kind of aiding and abetting of a serious crime."

Rep.-elect West is not the first to compare the release of confidential US documents by WikiLeaks to a terrorist attack. Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-KY), Newt Gingrich, Sarah Palin, and Rep. Peter King (R-NY) have made similar comparisons. Even CNN bought into the analogy, wondering if WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange is a "journalist or terrorist" during its coverage of the secrets outlet.

Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee said the person who gave WikiLeaks 250,000 secret diplomatic cables deserves the death penalty. GA_googleFillSlot("Raw_Embedded_300");

Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-CT) said the New York Times, who published documents released by WikiLeaks, "committed at least an act of bad citizenship" and said the news agency deserves "very intensive inquiry by the Justice Department."

In sharp contrast to lawmakers like Rep.-elect West and Sen. Lieberman, Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX) has suggested the world needs "more WikiLeaks."

"In a free society we're supposed to know the truth," Rep. Paul said. "In a society where truth becomes treason, then we're in big trouble. And now, people who are revealing the truth are getting into trouble for it."

Rep. Jim McDermott (D-WA) has also supported the secrets outlet, saying that "if the public doesn't know what's going on, then they can't vote intelligently."

London Metropolitan police arrested WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange last week for a warrant out of Sweden, where he is wanted for questioning in a sexual assault case. He was granted bail by a British judge on Tuesday afternoon but is expected to remain in prison while Swedish authorities appealed the decision.

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#1. To: All (#0)

Meet the new boss - same as the old boss.

I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. - Benjamin Franklin

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-12-15   15:52:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#1)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

"The ground of liberty is to be gained by inches, and we must be contented to secure what we can get from time to time and eternally press forward for what is yet to get. It takes time to persuade men to do even what is for their own good." -- Thomas Jefferson

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2010-12-15   15:55:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: ghostdogtxn (#2)

I took one good look at West's campaign website and figured him for another fascist with a real good tan...

Had a few go rounds here about it.

Of course, the truth will out...

A career, pro-war combat arms officer - yep, he had authoritarian prick written all over him from the get go. He will fit right in with the Republicrat establishment.

I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. - Benjamin Franklin

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-12-15   15:59:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#3)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

"The ground of liberty is to be gained by inches, and we must be contented to secure what we can get from time to time and eternally press forward for what is yet to get. It takes time to persuade men to do even what is for their own good." -- Thomas Jefferson

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2010-12-15   16:01:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: ghostdogtxn (#4)

My beef was with his attacks on his opponent for not being pro-Zionist enough. IIRC, his site talked about how his opponent's support for Israel hadn't been "consistent" (read - servile, craven, fawning) enough.

You investigated him more than I did. I heard one of his pro-war speeches on youtube and decided right then and there his idea of America and mine were not the same.

I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. - Benjamin Franklin

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-12-15   16:04:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: ghostdogtxn, 4 (#4)

For many here, any support of that slc is a deal-breaker.

Somewhere in Kenya, a village is missing its idiot.

Lod  posted on  2010-12-15   16:11:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#5)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

"The ground of liberty is to be gained by inches, and we must be contented to secure what we can get from time to time and eternally press forward for what is yet to get. It takes time to persuade men to do even what is for their own good." -- Thomas Jefferson

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2010-12-15   16:12:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Lod (#6)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

"The ground of liberty is to be gained by inches, and we must be contented to secure what we can get from time to time and eternally press forward for what is yet to get. It takes time to persuade men to do even what is for their own good." -- Thomas Jefferson

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2010-12-15   16:14:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#1)

Rep.-elect West is not the first to compare the release of confidential US documents by WikiLeaks to a terrorist attack. Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-KY), Newt Gingrich, Sarah Palin, and Rep. Peter King (R-NY) have made similar comparisons.

Meet the new boss - same as the old boss.

American voters never learn.

They fall for the pea and shell game every time.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-12-15   16:26:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Cynicom (#9) (Edited)

American voters never learn.

They fall for the pea and shell game every time.

Yes they do. They either believe what they hear at face value or they don't care because they think that the guy from this party will be better than the guy from the other party, refusing to consider this is exactly how both parties WANT them to react. They don't care which side you vote for as long as you vote for ONE of the sides and not against both.

I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. - Benjamin Franklin

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-12-15   16:37:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: 4, *Israeli Espionage* (#0)

I think WikiLeaks is one of the more blatant disinformation operations to come around in quite some time. I think the least Assange could do is create a seal that imprints each dispatch with the words; "This information has been approved by Tel Aviv."

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-12-15   16:44:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: F.A. Hayek Fan, Cynicom, ghostdogtxn (#10)

ghostdogtxn - Fuck You

ShillyConMan - Fuck You

F.A. Hayek Fan - Fuck You

West has not taken office yet, if he turns out to be a JBT, I'll be the first to denounce him. Until then, give the guy a break.

Your short memories & pea brains conveniently forget that the man he'll be replacing (Ron Klein) would take all our freedoms and tax us to death too boot. Everything you criticize West for, Klein would do 4X more/worse.

What you fail to mention is that West will be a champion for the 2nd Amendment, a foe to illegal immigrants and general pain in the ass to anything leftist.

The election of West is progress, but you don't want progress do you? You won't even let the man make his first vote in Congress before your flying monkey attacks begin.

All you do is bitch and whine and sit on your collective useless asses like the losers and malcontents you really are.

You're not fit to live in this country, you should be deported like common wetback criminals.

Fuck You

"The person who agrees with you 80 percent of the time is a friend and an ally — not a 20 percent traitor" - Ronald Reagan

Flintlock  posted on  2010-12-15   17:19:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Flintlock (#12)

West has not taken office yet, if he turns out to be a JBT, I'll be the first to denounce him. Until then, give the guy a break.

Your short memories & pea brains conveniently forget that the man he'll be replacing (Ron Klein) would take all our freedoms and tax us to death too boot. Everything you criticize West for, Klein would do 4X more/worse.

What you fail to mention is that West will be a champion for the 2nd Amendment, a foe to illegal immigrants and general pain in the ass to anything leftist.

The election of West is progress, but you don't want progress do you? You won't even let the man make his first vote in Congress before your flying monkey attacks begin.

All you do is bitch and whine and sit on your collective useless asses like the losers and malcontents you really are.

You're not fit to live in this country, you should be deported like common wetback criminals.

Fuck You

West is a jackboot and has proudly proclaimed it. You are obviously a jackboot licker who enjoys the taste of leather along with your wife's cock. So go fuck yourself loser.

You're not fit to live in this country, you should be deported like common wetback criminals.

Anytime you feel man enough tough guy, just give it a try.

I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. - Benjamin Franklin

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-12-15   17:22:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Flintlock (#12)

You're not fit to live in this country, you should be deported like common wetback criminals.

Good heavens, bum day today?????

Cynicom  posted on  2010-12-15   17:22:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Cynicom, Flintlock (#14)

You're not fit to live in this country, you should be deported like common wetback criminals.

Good heavens, bum day today?????

Negative articles and comments about West interferes with the man-sex fantasies he has with his negro blow-up doll.

I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. - Benjamin Franklin

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-12-15   17:24:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Flintlock (#12)

What you fail to mention is that West will be a champion for the 2nd Amendment, a foe to illegal immigrants and general pain in the ass to anything leftist.

The choice is between the short road to hell and the long one.

They'll let us have our guns while they continue to take dough from corporations that ship our jobs overseas. Then they'll tell our kids whose jobs are in Shanghai and Mumbai to sign up, suit up and ship out on some corrupt and endless foreign adventure.

I've sworn to watch my language around here, but I'm reaching my limit.

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randge  posted on  2010-12-15   17:30:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#15)

The government should censor news agencies that report on US documents leaked by websites like WikiLeaks, according to a tea party-backed Republican who will soon represent the 22th district congressional of Florida.

Censor...that is a very dangerous word.

Start down that path and there is NO return. Lincoln had editors arrested and tried to throw Judges in prison. We dont need that. Roosevelt tried it but cooler heads prevailed.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-12-15   17:30:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: randge (#16)

I've sworn to watch my language around here, but I'm reaching my limit.

Patience is a virtue, unrewarding but true.

When ANYONE MENTIONS CENSOR, I get nervous.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-12-15   17:32:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Cynicom (#17)

Censor...that is a very dangerous word.

Start down that path and there is NO return. Lincoln had editors arrested and tried to throw Judges in prison. We dont need that. Roosevelt tried it but cooler heads prevailed.

The other guy would have done it too so that makes it alright. West is a hero.

I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. - Benjamin Franklin

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-12-15   17:33:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#13)

Anytime you feel man enough tough guy, just give it a try.

Who you trying to kid, bitch?

If we ever met, I'd have to slap you off my dick.

"The person who agrees with you 80 percent of the time is a friend and an ally — not a 20 percent traitor" - Ronald Reagan

Flintlock  posted on  2010-12-15   17:34:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Cynicom (#18)

When OFFICERS RUN FOR OFFICE, I get nervous.

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randge  posted on  2010-12-15   17:34:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#19)

There is nothing this government would like better than for the masses to call for censorship in the name of security.

From the leaks, I see nothing that was earth shattering, mundane classified junk mail, nothing more.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-12-15   17:36:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Flintlock (#20)

If we ever met, I'd have to slap you off my dick.

No, that would be me slapping your wife off of mine.

I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. - Benjamin Franklin

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-12-15   17:36:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: randge (#21)

When OFFICERS RUN FOR OFFICE, I get nervous.

George Washington was an Officer.

Are you unhappy with his record in office too?

"The person who agrees with you 80 percent of the time is a friend and an ally — not a 20 percent traitor" - Ronald Reagan

Flintlock  posted on  2010-12-15   17:37:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#23)

You're a punk

I'll meet you in Rurrenabaque Bolivia and we can have a nice private talk.

Got the money for a ticket?

I doubt it

"The person who agrees with you 80 percent of the time is a friend and an ally — not a 20 percent traitor" - Ronald Reagan

Flintlock  posted on  2010-12-15   17:41:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: randge (#21)

When OFFICERS RUN FOR OFFICE, I get nervous.

Over the past two or three years, there have been a few new faces pop up on the national political scene, and frankly, I see nothing to feel good about.

Paul had the perfect message, just not the messenger. The rest are a woe begone group that need to look for an honest line of work.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-12-15   17:41:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Cynicom (#22)

From the leaks, I see nothing that was earth shattering, mundane classified junk mail, nothing more.

We'll see. You may be right and it's all about nothing. They've released less than 1% of what they have. There is no telling what will "grab the fancy" of the public and cause a scandal that will actually cause damage to the two party fraud.

I'm in wait and see mode. What intrigues me about wikileaks is the POTENTIAL. You and I know that there are people in government who know of things that outrage them or that they know is just plain wrong. IMHO, it is only a matter of time until one of those people provide evidence to wikileaks and it won't matter if the government blocks off access in the US because there is media all over the world and the truth will prevail.

I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. - Benjamin Franklin

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-12-15   17:42:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: F.A. Hayek Fan, Flintlock (#23)

If we ever met, I'd have to slap you off my dick.

No, that would be me slapping your wife off of mine.

Gentlemen, it might be a good rule of thumb to limit language to what you might use in a heated political discussion face to face.

I don't think you guys would speak this way socially. I've been reading post like these for years now, and this shit gets tedious. This is one reason why EL PEE has become such a hell hole.

It's a lead pipe cinch (knowing the quality of both your postings over the years) that both of you have more intelligent things to say about Allen West and the incoming Congress than is evident in the previous exchange.

Cheers.

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randge  posted on  2010-12-15   17:43:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Flintlock (#25)

You're a punk

I'll meet you in Rurrenabaque Bolivia and we can have a nice private talk.

Got the money for a ticket?

I doubt it

Fly to Bolivia so that I can watch you have child sex with little boys? No, thanks.

I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. - Benjamin Franklin

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-12-15   17:44:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#27)

I'm in wait and see mode. What intrigues me about wikileaks is the POTENTIAL.

True, the unknown to us may be of great interest.

One thing bothers me, that is how did a low level grunt have access to such material in such a volume. In my day it was a strictly on a ...need to know basis...from the highest to the lowest classification.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-12-15   17:45:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Cynicom (#22) (Edited)

From the leaks, I see nothing that was earth shattering, mundane classified junk mail, nothing more.

About those Wikileaks. The folks dribbling in their Maypo at the nursing home have better intel via the shortwaves they dangle out their windows. If anyone can put a cork in Julian Assange very gay yap I'll send them a box of Cubans and some decent scotch.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-12-15   17:46:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: randge (#28)

I don't think you guys would speak this way socially. I've been reading post like these for years now, and this shit gets tedious. This is one reason why EL PEE has become such a hell hole.

It's a lead pipe cinch (knowing the quality of both your postings over the years) that both of you have more intelligent things to say about Allen West and the incoming Congress than is evident in the previous exchange.

Thank you and I second that motion.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-12-15   17:47:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#29)

No, thanks.

In addition to being a punk and a loser, you're a coward.

I knew it

"The person who agrees with you 80 percent of the time is a friend and an ally — not a 20 percent traitor" - Ronald Reagan

Flintlock  posted on  2010-12-15   17:47:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: randge, 4 (#28)

Bump to #28

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-12-15   17:49:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Cynicom (#30)

One thing bothers me, that is how did a low level grunt have access to such material in such a volume. In my day it was a strictly on a ...need to know basis...from the highest to the lowest classification.

It all depends on what his MOS was, where his duty station was and the position he held. I was "red-lined" to work on classified military and State Department communications equipment and although I never had access to any information, there were tons of people of all ranks who worked in those facilities that did have access.

I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. - Benjamin Franklin

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-12-15   17:50:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Flintlock (#33)

Two can play that game numb nuts. I will be in Nashville from the 23-27th. I will be glad to meet you there. Now be there or you yourself are the coward.

I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. - Benjamin Franklin

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-12-15   17:52:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Flintlock (#24) (Edited)

You know, I was expecting that response just as I was hitting the submit button.

Washington was a revolutionary leader and a man who knew how to think out of the box. He was not the last general in the WH for whom I have regard. There was Andrew Jackson and Dwight Eisenhower. They were men of vision in their own different ways.

Notwithstanding these models of leadership and guts, though I find that the officer class in this country, as in all other countries that I've been to, are afflicted with a management mentality of lowered horizons and an authoritarian outlook that limit the vision and independence of mind that it will take to solve the set of problems that we face.

What we have in Washington right now though and in all our state houses is an even worse species of human - lawyers. I don't believe that I'll get a lot of flack on this board if I say that among whatever groups that populate our legislatures, it's the law hacks that are the worst - much worse than military men.

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randge  posted on  2010-12-15   17:56:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Cynicom (#30)

One thing bothers me, that is how did a low level grunt have access to such material in such a volume.

Cyni, the government is asking that we believe he acted alone and then bragged about the intelligence he gathered on the Internet for months before he was 'apprehended.' Since the leaks, the furor over the TSA, the trillions in deficits, the mystery missile launch off the coast of LA, and the N. Korean assaults - to name a few - have all vanished off the front pages. Amazing, eh?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-12-15   17:57:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#0)

"And I think that we also should be censoring the American news agencies which enabled him to do this and also supported him and applauding him for the efforts. So that's kind of aiding and abetting of a serious crime."

If these documents are legit and not phony and are truly classified, then I don't see why the New York Times is allowed to publish them and not be prosecuted for treason. Yes it is in the public domain, but it is still classified and they shouldn't be printing it and they know it.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2010-12-15   18:02:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Jethro Tull (#38)

Everything about these Wikileak leaks doesn't add up.

From folks I've talked to, a low level guy cannot make the requests to download this mass of material without generating flags that require management approval.

Once again the grunt gets it in the neck and everyone else don't know from Adam.

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randge  posted on  2010-12-15   18:03:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: RickyJ (#39)

I don't see why the New York Times is allowed to publish them and not be prosecuted for treason

Because, my friend, this is not Britain or Europe, and we don't have "prior restraint." (Look it up.)

We also do not have an Official Secrets Act.

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randge  posted on  2010-12-15   18:05:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: RickyJ (#39)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

"The ground of liberty is to be gained by inches, and we must be contented to secure what we can get from time to time and eternally press forward for what is yet to get. It takes time to persuade men to do even what is for their own good." -- Thomas Jefferson

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2010-12-15   18:07:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: ghostdogtxn (#42)

we are not "subjects" of the government; ie, the government doesn't own us.

Fuckin' aye tweet, and that's the way it shall stay.

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randge  posted on  2010-12-15   18:10:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Jethro Tull, Original_Intent (#38)

Amazing, eh?

Truly amazing.

It is scary how some news items disappear down a black hole, forgotten.

In the olde military, I knew squat beyond what I HAD to know and there was NO access to anything else. This sounds like a wooden nickle to me.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-12-15   18:11:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: RickyJ (#39)

If these documents are legit and not phony and are truly classified, then I don't see why the New York Times is allowed to publish them and not be prosecuted for treason. Yes it is in the public domain, but it is still classified and they shouldn't be printing it and they know it.

Because we have been through this before (The Pentagon papers as well other incidents) and the USSC has long determined that they ARE allowed to publish such information because although it is the governments job to protect its secrets, it's not any one else's. Or something to that effect. I am paraphrasing, of course. Google Pentagon papers and USSC and you will probably find the ruling or articles about it.

I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. - Benjamin Franklin

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-12-15   18:14:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: randge (#40)

Everything about these Wikileak leaks doesn't add up.

From folks I've talked to, a low level guy cannot make the requests to download this mass of material without generating flags that require management approval.

Once again the grunt gets it in the neck and everyone else don't know from Adam.

Roger wilko on this steaming bag of poop.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-12-15   18:37:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: F.A. Hayek Fan, Cynicom, all (#27)

I'm in wait and see mode. What intrigues me about wikileaks is the POTENTIAL. You and I know that there are people in government who know of things that outrage them or that they know is just plain wrong. IMHO, it is only a matter of time until one of those people provide evidence to wikileaks and it won't matter if the government blocks off access in the US because there is media all over the world and the truth will prevail.

If anyone provides "real" information to WeakeyLinks they'll be whacked before they have a chance to share it with anyone else. You may not wish to believe where the evidence points, but it is quite clear to me, and a lot of very savvy people, that WeakeyLinks is being run by an Intelligence Agency - most likely Mossad.

"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-12-15   18:55:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Jethro Tull, randge, all (#46)

...steaming bag of poop.

...steaming bag of poop.

...steaming bag of poop.

That pretty well sums the PsyOp known as Wikileaks to a "T".

"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-12-15   18:57:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Original_Intent (#47)

You may not wish to believe where the evidence points,

You have provided ZERO evidence, just conjecture.

I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. - Benjamin Franklin

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-12-15   19:02:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#0)

Elected tea partier Allen West calls for mass censorship of US media

If you mean the communists in the press, than I can understand his reasons.

After two years of the communists falsely accusing and constantly demonizing the pro-american tea party members of being everything from racist bigots, to traitors, to rapists and murders, I am glad to see the tea party go on the offensive against these quisling scumbags.

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-12-15   19:05:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: PaulCJ (#50)

After two years of the communists falsely accusing and constantly demonizing the pro-american tea party members of being everything from racist bigots, to traitors, to rapists and murders, I am glad to see the tea party go on the offensive against these quisling scumbags.

Of course you are. I would expect nothing less from a boot licker such as yourself.

I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. - Benjamin Franklin

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-12-15   19:08:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Cynicom (#22)

There is nothing this government would like better than for the masses to call for censorship in the name of security.

It is not censorship if you are denying a group from lying. The First Amendment is not about protecting lying.

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-12-15   19:08:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#51)

Of course you are. I would expect nothing less from a boot licker such as yourself.

You have your head so far up the ass of communism that you are french kissing the tongue in it's mouth.

All I see you do is complain and you do not offer any solutions.

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-12-15   19:10:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: PaulCJ (#53)

You have your head so far up the ass of communism that you are french kissing the tongue in it's mouth.

You throw that word around so much at people who disagree with your authoritarian outlook on life that it is obvious that you have absolutley no idea what it means.

All I see you do is complain and you do not offer any solutions.

As opposed to your solution of censoring everyone that says something you dislike.

I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. - Benjamin Franklin

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-12-15   19:14:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#54)

You throw that word around so much at people who disagree with your authoritarian outlook on life that it is obvious that you have absolutley no idea what it means.

I am into self preservation. You are the authoritarian plant. Like any plant, you politically attack any offensive movement by americans against our oppressors that are trying to put us americans into earlier graves.

Self defense and self preservation justifies all actions. I have no problem with silencing (shutting them up) those whom would gladly murder my family, friends, and I. Steal our properties. Destroy our culture. And corrupt our history with lies.

As far as I am concerned, such monsters need to be imprisoned for treason, and for the safety of the freedom loving population.

And it is you whom cheer on such monsters, because you are one of those monsters.

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-12-15   19:25:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: PaulCJ, Cynicom (#52)

It is not censorship if you are denying a group from lying. The First Amendment is not about protecting lying.

As usual, you open your mouth out pours nonsense. Once again, you have no idea what you are talking about. A simple search shows:

No lie, state Supreme Court rules candidates can make false statements

Fox News Has a First Amendment Right to Lie – Updated

Court says lying about Medal of Honor no crime

Now if you can find a USSC decision that overturns any of these I would be interested in seeing it. I couldn't find any.

I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. - Benjamin Franklin

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-12-15   19:26:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#56) (Edited)

As usual, you open your mouth out pours nonsense.

I have already stated what you are. You only believe what your communist masters tell you to believe.

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-12-15   19:28:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: PaulCJ (#55)

LOL! Not only are you stupid as a stump you are deranged. War is peace! Black is white!

I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. - Benjamin Franklin

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-12-15   19:29:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: Original_Intent (#47)

If anyone provides "real" information to WeakeyLinks they'll be whacked before they have a chance to share it with anyone else.

Mere speculative babble, again? If not, back up your position with documented FACT.

You may not wish to believe where the evidence points, but it is quite clear to me, and a lot of very savvy people, that WeakeyLinks is being run by an Intelligence Agency - most likely Mossad.

If its so clear to you and so many people, then some hardcore FACT is required.

But, I have lived to learn that most of your posts (although well intended) are hot-aire.

"In a free society we're supposed to know the truth," ... "In a society where truth becomes treason, then we're in big trouble. And now, people who are revealing the truth are getting into trouble for it" -- Ron Paul, circa 2010-12-02

buckeroo  posted on  2010-12-15   19:29:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: PaulCJ (#57)

I have already stated what you are. You only believe what your communist masters tell you to believe.

That still doesn't take away from the fact that you have no idea what you are talking about now does it.

I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. - Benjamin Franklin

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-12-15   19:30:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#58)

Not only are you stupid as a stump you are deranged.

Of course you would continue with your lies.

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-12-15   19:32:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#60)

That still doesn't take away from the fact that you have no idea what you are talking about now does it.

No, it is not you whom does not understand human nature.

The American population are an abused and dispossessed people primed for a backlash against their oppressors, and the oppressors' supporters.

And when the backlash happens, and it will, I would not want to be in your quisling shoes.

When the people come for the press that had being lying about them , and demonizing them for decades, the press will cry about their "First Amendment rights", and the people will not care. All the people will care about will be retribution against all those whom have harmed them.

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-12-15   19:37:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#56)

Bump for a good post on this lying stuff. The first amendment doesn't just guarantee facts else we would all be in prison by now.

"In a free society we're supposed to know the truth," ... "In a society where truth becomes treason, then we're in big trouble. And now, people who are revealing the truth are getting into trouble for it" -- Ron Paul, circa 2010-12-02

buckeroo  posted on  2010-12-15   19:41:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: buckeroo (#59)

Uh buckie?

Earth to buckie?

Earth to buckie?

Do you read me buckie?

When was the last time you heard an Intelligence Agency broadcast that they are running a PsyOp?

Twenty-Five Ways To Suppress Truth: The Rules of Disinformation

3. Create rumor mongers. Avoid discussing issues by describing all charges, regardless of venue or evidence, as mere rumors and wild accusations. Other derogatory terms mutually exclusive of truth may work as well. This method which works especially well with a silent press, because the only way the public can learn of the facts are through such 'arguable rumors'. If you can associate the material with the Internet, use this fact to certify it a 'wild rumor' from a 'bunch of kids on the Internet' which can have no basis in fact.


I have posted multiple articles documenting what we do and do not know about WeakeyLeaks, and they present a pretty good case that WeakeyLeaks is some form of Intelligence Agency Operation. Based on "cui bono?" (who benefits?) the most likely suspect is Israeli Intelligence.


And your proof the WeakeyLinks is on the up and up is...?

I didn't think so.

"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-12-15   19:42:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#49)

You may not wish to believe where the evidence points,

You have provided ZERO evidence, just conjecture.

No, that is not true. I have posted multiple articles which deatail Assange's connections, operations, and the fact that people who have dealt with him intimately are working to distance themselves from him.

Short of a "leak" when you are dealing with an intelligence agency operation, which WeakeyLinks most likely is, then all you are going to get is circumstantial evidence.

That you are incapable of reading the evidence and exercising elementary logical deduction and inference is your failing not mine.

"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-12-15   19:50:05 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: buckeroo (#63)

Bump for a good post on this lying stuff.

Lying to a cop is a crime, which means all lies can be made illegal.

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-12-15   19:50:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: PaulCJ (#62)

No, it is not you whom does not understand human nature.

We were not talking about human nature. Try to focus. I know that it is hard for you.

We were talking about your factually incorrect statement. According to the courts, lying is protected by the First Amendment. Unless you are lying to the government, of course. Not surprisingly, the Republican and Democrat chosen "justices" have determined that the government can lie to you but you are not allowed to lie to the government.

The American population are an abused and dispossessed people primed for a backlash against their oppressors, and the oppressors' supporters.

You are living in a dreamworld. You make the mistake of thinking that the people who post on internet political forums represent the thoughts of the American people. They don't. The average American has no idea what is happening around them because they "don't like politics" or they think it "doesn't concern them." They are perfectly happy living as drones as long as they have their Playstations and cable TV or Dish networks.

And when the backlash happens, and it will, I would not want to be in your quisling shoes.

I hate to break this to you Shirley, but not being an authoritarian Republican bootlicker like yourself does not make me a quisling.

When the people come for the press that had being lying about them , and demonizing them for decades, the press will cry about their "First Amendment rights", and the people will not care. All the people will care about will be retribution against all those whom have harmed them.

Riggghhht. You keep telling yourself that. Pigs have a better chance of flying out of your ass.

I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. - Benjamin Franklin

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-12-15   19:52:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: Original_Intent (#65) (Edited)

You have posted multiple links of other people making conjectures. How do you know THEY aren't the ones running the psyops operation? From my reading of the people distancing themselves from Assange they have been doing so because they disagreed with the way he was releasing the information. To my knowledge, not a single one of them has stood up and declared he was a Mossad or CIA operative.

I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. - Benjamin Franklin

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-12-15   20:00:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: Original_Intent (#65)

As for me being stupid, I guess it's a cross I will have to bare. We can't all be genius conspiracy sniffer-outers like you.

I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. - Benjamin Franklin

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-12-15   20:05:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: Original_Intent (#64)

When was the last time you heard an Intelligence Agency broadcast that they are running a PsyOp?

That's your only fact? Wow ... you are really on a roll down-hill these past days aren't you?

"In a free society we're supposed to know the truth," ... "In a society where truth becomes treason, then we're in big trouble. And now, people who are revealing the truth are getting into trouble for it" -- Ron Paul, circa 2010-12-02

buckeroo  posted on  2010-12-15   20:07:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#67)

Unless you are lying to the government, of course.

When two different court rulings come into conflict each other, there is third ruling, which will happen in the future.

You continue to defend your authoritarian masters.

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-12-15   20:11:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: PaulCJ (#66)

Lying to a cop is a crime, which means all lies can be made illegal.

If and only if, he is commissioned to interrogate you. At that point, you should just show a photo ID and shaddup. But lies are a natural occurrence within any society from exaggerated claims of products by their respective manufacturers to politicians smiling that pretty white smile to Presidents that create war out of thin aire. The first says nothing about lying or the truth; if it did, you would have read it. What the broad interpretation of the first amendment is: little or no government intrusion on the dissemination of information; and that includes the Internet.

"In a free society we're supposed to know the truth," ... "In a society where truth becomes treason, then we're in big trouble. And now, people who are revealing the truth are getting into trouble for it" -- Ron Paul, circa 2010-12-02

buckeroo  posted on  2010-12-15   20:14:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: PaulCJ (#71)

When two different court rulings come into conflict each other, there is third ruling, which will happen in the future.

There will be no third ruling. It is the double standard that the two-party fraud you are constantly defending wants.

You continue to defend your authoritarian masters.

Says the guy who attacks anyone who says anything bad about the government. LOL! I really do not know who it is you are trying to fool because no one on this site is falling for it.

I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. - Benjamin Franklin

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-12-15   20:17:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#73)

1. It is the double standard that the two-party fraud you are constantly defending wants.

2. Says the guy who attacks anyone who says anything bad about the government.

1. You are the one that posted those links defending that hypocrisy.

2. You are the one defending the voice of government. And you are the one attacking pro-freedom movements.

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-12-15   20:19:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: PaulCJ, F.A. Hayek Fan (#74)

And you [F.A. Hayek Fan] are the one attacking pro-freedom movements.

Several times on this thread you have stated that the TEA Party is a Pro-American movement (or similar expression).

Why do you believe that?

"In a free society we're supposed to know the truth," ... "In a society where truth becomes treason, then we're in big trouble. And now, people who are revealing the truth are getting into trouble for it" -- Ron Paul, circa 2010-12-02

buckeroo  posted on  2010-12-15   20:25:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: PaulCJ (#74)

1. You are the one that posted those links defending that hypocrisy.

Educating you on your ignorance of the 1st Amendment is not defending the hypocrisy of the two-party fraud. That's like trying to say that telling you that abortion is legal is defending abortion. It's not.

2. You are the one defending the voice of government. And you are the one attacking pro-freedom movements.

You have a very active imagination. I neither defended government nor attacked anyone but Flintlock, who attacked me first.

I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. - Benjamin Franklin

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-12-15   20:28:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: buckeroo (#75)

Why do you believe that?

Their statements and actions.

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-12-15   20:28:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#76)

Educating you on your ignorance of the 1st Amendment is not defending the hypocrisy of the two-party fraud.

Like the second amendment, how the lying press views the first amendment is not how it was originally intended.

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-12-15   20:29:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: buckeroo (#75)

And you [F.A. Hayek Fan] are the one attacking pro-freedom movements.

Several times on this thread you have stated that the TEA Party is a Pro-American movement (or similar expression).

I never said a word about the Tea Party on this thread. He's making things up.

I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. - Benjamin Franklin

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-12-15   20:30:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: PaulCJ (#77) (Edited)

What has the TEA Party performed besides a few protests with Sarah Palin as their figurehead [as] "Taxed Enough Already" .... this stuff has been going on for many decades with an assortment of political groups from communists to libertarians.

"In a free society we're supposed to know the truth," ... "In a society where truth becomes treason, then we're in big trouble. And now, people who are revealing the truth are getting into trouble for it" -- Ron Paul, circa 2010-12-02

buckeroo  posted on  2010-12-15   20:33:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: PaulCJ (#78)

Like the second amendment, how the lying press views the first amendment is not how it was originally intended.

I agree completely with that statement but the subject was lying and the first amendment.

I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. - Benjamin Franklin

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-12-15   20:34:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#79)

I never said a word about the Tea Party on this thread.

By inference about West ..... Paul is Ok on that... but what has me chasing him is why he thinks the TEA Party is Pro-American.

"In a free society we're supposed to know the truth," ... "In a society where truth becomes treason, then we're in big trouble. And now, people who are revealing the truth are getting into trouble for it" -- Ron Paul, circa 2010-12-02

buckeroo  posted on  2010-12-15   20:36:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: PaulCJ (#78)

how the lying press views the first amendment is not how it was originally intended.

How was it originally intended??

Warning: The linked image depicts a public official engaged in unhygienic acts. The poster is not responsible for violent upset on the part of viewers.

randge  posted on  2010-12-15   20:39:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#36)

I will be in Nashville from the 23-27th.

Figures you're an inbred hillbilly, you act like one.

You're dumber than I thought. Bolivia is a better place to meet for obvious reasons, but as usual you're a full of shit coward.

Run hayek, run!

"The person who agrees with you 80 percent of the time is a friend and an ally — not a 20 percent traitor" - Ronald Reagan

Flintlock  posted on  2010-12-15   20:39:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: buckeroo (#82)

By inference about West ..... Paul is Ok on that..

Well I'm not OK with it because while West is a part of the Tea Party, he is NOT the Tea Party.

I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. - Benjamin Franklin

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-12-15   20:47:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#85)

Well I'm not OK with it because while West is a part of the Tea Party, he is NOT the Tea Party.

Actually, he brings core anti-American values to the TEA Party just as Sarah Palin: Israel comes first.

"In a free society we're supposed to know the truth," ... "In a society where truth becomes treason, then we're in big trouble. And now, people who are revealing the truth are getting into trouble for it" -- Ron Paul, circa 2010-12-02

buckeroo  posted on  2010-12-15   20:54:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: Flintlock (#84)

Figures you're an inbred hillbilly, you act like one.

No that would be the gutter slut you call your mother, mother fucker.

Bolivia is a better place to meet for obvious reasons, but as usual you're a full of shit coward.

LOL! You are you trying to kid Chester molester? You are a internet loud mouthed coward and fake tough guy who threw out a country on another continent knowing damned well that no sane individual would agree while ignoring a realistic meet place.

Come on tough guy. I'll even find us a gym complete with a ring in order to have a no-holds barred fight - or we can do it on the street, however you choose.

I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. - Benjamin Franklin

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-12-15   20:57:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: buckeroo (#86)

Actually, he brings core anti-American values to the TEA Party just as Sarah Palin: Israel comes first.

That's my belief as well, but I know that there are grass roots members of the Tea Party who do not hold to that belief so I wouldn't (and didn't) paint the whole movement with that brush.

I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. - Benjamin Franklin

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-12-15   20:59:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: F.A. Hayek Fan, PaulCJ (#88)

I wouldn't (and didn't) paint the whole movement with that brush.

I will. With luck PaulCJ shall come back and answer my question concerning his opinion that the TEA Party is Pro-American.

You see, what makes these movements "tick" are the leaders, particularly those that organize the same. For the TEA Party, it was built on Newt Gingrich's failed platform "Contract for America." And, because many of the leaders of the GOP have been introduced to the movement, the TEA Party shall fail, too.

One of the largest shackles to our liberties is the national debt. And one of the largest reasons for that debt is the meanderings with foreign intrigue, particularly in the ME with Israel possessing nuclear warheads essentially threatening the region.

The TEA Party intends to maintain a pro-antagonistic approach to the ME region and especially to protect Israel while Israel continues the plunder of Palestine.

To me, that is an anti-American approach. And West can take his religious beliefs and stuff them ALONG with his censorship speeches.

"In a free society we're supposed to know the truth," ... "In a society where truth becomes treason, then we're in big trouble. And now, people who are revealing the truth are getting into trouble for it" -- Ron Paul, circa 2010-12-02

buckeroo  posted on  2010-12-15   21:27:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: ghostdogtxn (#42)

Once the agency loses control over the information and outsiders get hold of it, they can do whatever they want with it. That's freedom of the press. It's also ancillary to the notion that we are not "subjects" of the government; ie, the government doesn't own us.

Just because something is legal doesn't mean it is ethical. If these documents would have shed light on Israel killing unarmed civilians aboard the ships in international waters with humanitarian aid for the Palestinians in Gaza then it would have been very ethical to release them classified or not. But these documents mainly have only made Israel's desire that the USA attack Iran more legit by other Arab leaders stating they want the USA to attack Iran as well. The destabilization of Pakistan and North Korea as well as the supposed justification for calling Iran an evil regime that needs to be bombed is all these documents have really accomplished so far. That in no way is a good outcome and I sure the heck wouldn't have released such documents even if it were perfectly legal to do so.

Also everyone is just assuming these documents are legit and true, that is not a good assumption to make. They easily could be fake or contain only partial truth with lies.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2010-12-15   21:34:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: buckeroo (#89)

I will. With luck PaulCJ shall come back and answer my question concerning his opinion that the TEA Party is Pro-American.

I did answer you question.

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-12-15   22:04:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: PaulCJ (#91)

But I am interested in clarification as I posted in #80. I am interested in your honest viewpoint.

"In a free society we're supposed to know the truth," ... "In a society where truth becomes treason, then we're in big trouble. And now, people who are revealing the truth are getting into trouble for it" -- Ron Paul, circa 2010-12-02

buckeroo  posted on  2010-12-15   22:10:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#87)

I'll even find us a gym complete with a ring

I had higher stakes in mind.

It's obvious you can't afford a ticket and don't have the balls to put your money where your mouth is.

"The person who agrees with you 80 percent of the time is a friend and an ally — not a 20 percent traitor" - Ronald Reagan

Flintlock  posted on  2010-12-15   22:12:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: Flintlock (#93)

I had higher stakes in mind.

LOL! Sure you did tough guy, sure you did. You are a momma's boy who knew damn well that neither I nor anyone else would take you up on the offer.

It's obvious you can't afford a ticket and don't have the balls to put your money where your mouth is.

Says the pussy who refuses to take a drive to Nashville.

I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. - Benjamin Franklin

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-12-15   22:14:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: buckeroo (#92)

But I am interested in clarification as I posted in #80. I am interested in your honest viewpoint.

They said they are for smaller government, to that end they voted out rinos in the primaries and voted for conservatives in the election.

They believe in hold ALL politicians feet to the political fire constantly.

They practice what they preach, unlike some of this board.

And the fact the quislings in the press and D.C. hate them with a passion.

Buckeroo, on this thread so far, you have been polite to me. And though we may disagree, I would like to continue this civility.

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-12-15   22:37:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#94)

Says the pussy who refuses to take a drive to Nashville.

Says the pussy who wants to play for funzies.

I'll bet a loser like you doesn't even have a passport, let alone ever used one.

"The person who agrees with you 80 percent of the time is a friend and an ally — not a 20 percent traitor" - Ronald Reagan

Flintlock  posted on  2010-12-15   22:39:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: Flintlock (#96)

I'll bet a loser like you doesn't even have a passport, let alone ever used one.

Think whatever you like coward.

I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. - Benjamin Franklin

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-12-15   22:41:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#97)

Think whatever you like coward.

Put up or shut up, loser.

"The person who agrees with you 80 percent of the time is a friend and an ally — not a 20 percent traitor" - Ronald Reagan

Flintlock  posted on  2010-12-15   22:50:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: PaulCJ (#95)

You have a sincere belief in the TEA Party and the hopeful outcome of the election results.

I don't share your opinion at all. America is fractured across a political matrix creating a serious series of roadblocks towards the reformation of the federal government into a smaller more effective unit, as it was once designed.

And, as I said earlier within a post, the TEA Party represents the same neocon hawks advancing a war machine in the ME. To me, it is impossible to cut back government as it expands into the affairs of others.

Lets see who is more accurate in a year from now, you or me. Don't forget.

"In a free society we're supposed to know the truth," ... "In a society where truth becomes treason, then we're in big trouble. And now, people who are revealing the truth are getting into trouble for it" -- Ron Paul, circa 2010-12-02

buckeroo  posted on  2010-12-15   22:51:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: Flintlock (#98)

Put up or shut up, loser.

Shut me up bootlicker. Nashville. Put up or shut up.

I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. - Benjamin Franklin

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-12-15   22:53:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#100)

Shut me up

Meet me in Rurri, we'll party for all the marbles.

Got the money for a ticket? Got the balls?

I doubt it.

.

"The person who agrees with you 80 percent of the time is a friend and an ally — not a 20 percent traitor" - Ronald Reagan

Flintlock  posted on  2010-12-15   23:00:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: buckeroo (#99)

1. I don't share your opinion at all. America is fractured across a political matrix creating a serious series of roadblocks towards the reformation of the federal government into a smaller more effective unit, as it was once designed.

2. And, as I said earlier within a post, the TEA Party represents the same neocon hawks advancing a war machine in the ME.

1. I agree that America is fractured. This nation is going to collapse, and likely very soon.

No jobs. Increasing government created debt. Theft of private wealth by government that is sent to foreign nations. No manufacturing industry. Barely a service industry. Government rewarding foreign criminals, while abusing native citizens.

Those in D.C. are getting their wish that Americans will only have their guns and bible to cling too, and how terrifying a reality that is.

2. They also want the US/mexican border sealed. To them it is about defense of this nation from both foreign (terrorists) and domestic (quisling) enemies.

In life, you will not find people that completely agrees with you. To think otherwise is foolish.

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-12-15   23:06:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: Flintlock (#101)

Got the money for a ticket?

Since you are so interested in my money meet me in Nashville and I will be glad to bring my checking, savings and investment accounts and show you how much money I have after I whoop your ass bootlicker.

I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. - Benjamin Franklin

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-12-15   23:14:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#104. To: Flintlock (#12)

What you fail to mention is that West will be a champion for the 2nd Amendment, a foe to illegal immigrants and general pain in the ass to anything leftist.

West kisses Israeli butt. That's all one needs to know.

Re: "censored" vs. "censured", I'm inclined to think that the silly Negro isn't too swift with the English language.

bluegrass  posted on  2010-12-15   23:15:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#105. To: PaulCJ (#102)

They also want the US/mexican border sealed. To them it is about defense of this nation from both foreign (terrorists) and domestic (quisling) enemies.

I assume you mean the TEA Party. It has been hijacked by the two major political parties.

"In a free society we're supposed to know the truth," ... "In a society where truth becomes treason, then we're in big trouble. And now, people who are revealing the truth are getting into trouble for it" -- Ron Paul, circa 2010-12-02

buckeroo  posted on  2010-12-15   23:27:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#103)

meet me in Nashville......after I whoop your ass

Rurri, man up, loser.

"The person who agrees with you 80 percent of the time is a friend and an ally — not a 20 percent traitor" - Ronald Reagan

Flintlock  posted on  2010-12-15   23:29:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#107. To: bluegrass (#104)

West kisses Israeli butt. That's all one needs to know.

Gee, I missed your name on the ballot. Were you running?

The last time I checked, it was West vs Klein. Are you a Klein supporter?

"The person who agrees with you 80 percent of the time is a friend and an ally — not a 20 percent traitor" - Ronald Reagan

Flintlock  posted on  2010-12-15   23:31:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#108. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#0)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-12-15   23:42:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#109. To: ghostdogtxn (#2)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-12-15   23:42:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#110. To: Flintlock (#107)

I dislike both of them. Sorry about your being stuck in a flimsy paradigm.

bluegrass  posted on  2010-12-15   23:47:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#111. To: buckeroo (#105)

I assume you mean the TEA Party. It has been hijacked by the two major political parties.

Do you honestly believe that the rank and file Tea Party members are not for defense of their nation?

Don't look at it from your point of view. Look at it from their point of view.

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-12-15   23:47:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#112. To: bluegrass (#110)

Sorry about your being stuck in a flimsy paradigm.

I'm going to wait and see that the new Congress does before I start criticizing the biggest political upset in our lifetime.

But that's just me.

"The person who agrees with you 80 percent of the time is a friend and an ally — not a 20 percent traitor" - Ronald Reagan

Flintlock  posted on  2010-12-16   0:04:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#113. To: Eric Stratton (#109)

Hey scumbag, you never told us what part of the government tit you want to suck on.

You spend more time posting here than anybody, do you have a job, or is posting it?

"The person who agrees with you 80 percent of the time is a friend and an ally — not a 20 percent traitor" - Ronald Reagan

Flintlock  posted on  2010-12-16   0:07:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#114. To: PaulCJ (#52)

Actually I think Freedom of Speech means you can say anything you want to say, true or not. Who determines what is true and false? I wouldn't want the government determining that. Now against a person it can be slander, and a civil matter, but not a criminal matter.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2010-12-16   0:25:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#115. To: Flintlock (#112)

I'm going to wait and see that the new Congress does

It won't do anything meaningful. You know it in your bones.

bluegrass  posted on  2010-12-16   0:28:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#116. To: bluegrass (#115)

It won't do anything meaningful. You know it in your bones.

Maybe, but I still have hope this time will be different. I see the country yearning for free, fair markets and freedom, more than ever before. The Party that delivers that will get reelected and power is the name of the game.

Always has been.

"The person who agrees with you 80 percent of the time is a friend and an ally — not a 20 percent traitor" - Ronald Reagan

Flintlock  posted on  2010-12-16   0:37:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#117. To: Flintlock (#96)

I'll bet a loser like you doesn't even have a passport, let alone ever used one.

Huh? What the heck does this have to do with the article?

Keyboard jousting on the Internet is a kids game.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2010-12-16   0:40:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#118. To: Flintlock (#116)

power is the name of the game.

Indeed. The true Power in America sits with those that control the volume of money. As long they're enthroned, nothing will change. I don't see any Congress ever overturning the Throne of Money.

bluegrass  posted on  2010-12-16   0:42:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#119. To: bluegrass (#118)

I don't see any Congress ever overturning the Throne of Money.

Ron Paul will be the new head of the House banking Committee. That's the FED's biggest nightmare. It's a good start, isn't it?

PS Thank you Republican Party of appointing Ron Paul

"The person who agrees with you 80 percent of the time is a friend and an ally — not a 20 percent traitor" - Ronald Reagan

Flintlock  posted on  2010-12-16   0:46:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#120. To: Flintlock (#119)

Paul is defanged. Were he an actual threat to the Throne, he'd already be dead in a plane crash.

bluegrass  posted on  2010-12-16   0:48:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#121. To: RickyJ (#117)

Keyboard jousting on the Internet is a kids game.

True. He wanted a duel and I offered him one, a real one.

Of course he chickened out.

"The person who agrees with you 80 percent of the time is a friend and an ally — not a 20 percent traitor" - Ronald Reagan

Flintlock  posted on  2010-12-16   0:49:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#122. To: bluegrass (#120)

Paul is defanged. Were he an actual threat to the Throne, he'd already be dead in a plane crash.

Like Larry McDonald was. Paul knows all about Larry McDonald.

Take a wait and see attitude like me, you may be surprised. The tide has turned, I feel it in my bones.

"The person who agrees with you 80 percent of the time is a friend and an ally — not a 20 percent traitor" - Ronald Reagan

Flintlock  posted on  2010-12-16   0:53:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#123. To: Flintlock (#122)

I reckon we'll see. I hope you're right and I'm dead wrong.

bluegrass  posted on  2010-12-16   1:02:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#124. To: Flintlock (#121)

True. He wanted a duel and I offered him one, a real one.

You are a liar, which is not surprising since you claim you are for freedom out of one side of your mouth and champion a man who wants to censor speech out of the other.

For the record, you stated that I was not fit to live in this country and should be deported like common wetback criminals.

I told you anytime you feel man enough to try it. You then pick a place in bum fuck Egypt and challenge me to meet you there, knowing damned well that I would say no, which is exactly what your chicken-shit ass wanted, as proven by the fact that you refuse to meet me in the United States.

You are a fraud and so stupid you think people don't see through your bullshit.

Of course he chickened out.

Hell for the 3200 it would take to get to La Paz I could rent that whore you call your wife for two months.

I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. - Benjamin Franklin

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-12-16   1:02:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#125. To: bluegrass (#123)

I reckon we'll see. I hope you're right and I'm dead wrong.

West is an Israeli-firster and outspoken war monger who can't wait to send other people's kids off to Iran to die in the name of Israel. West's own words prove that you are not wrong and that he is a lover of big government.

I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. - Benjamin Franklin

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-12-16   1:08:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#126. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#124)

For the record, you stated that I was not fit to live in this country and should be deported like common wetback criminals.

True, it's still true.

Hell for the 3200 it would take to get to La Paz

La Paz? You're not there yet, there's a nice scenic road you have to negotiate for 12 - 16hr to get to Rurre. Make sure you have a window seat.

You don't have the money or the balls to settle this like a man, because you're not a man. You're a bitch, a loudmouthed bitch. Nothing else.

"The person who agrees with you 80 percent of the time is a friend and an ally — not a 20 percent traitor" - Ronald Reagan

Flintlock  posted on  2010-12-16   1:17:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#127. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#125)

West is an........

The gauntlet is at your feet....pussy

Man up or shut up....pussy

"The person who agrees with you 80 percent of the time is a friend and an ally — not a 20 percent traitor" - Ronald Reagan

Flintlock  posted on  2010-12-16   1:18:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#128. To: Flintlock (#126)

You don't have the money or the balls to settle this like a man, because you're not a man. You're a bitch, a loudmouthed bitch. Nothing else.

LOL! That's right. I'm as poor as a Mississippi nigger. You go ahead and tell yourself whatever you need to in order to make you feel better about your cowardice.

I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. - Benjamin Franklin

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-12-16   1:22:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#129. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#125)

I was being slightly sarcastic. No one's ever been wrong about the outrages that Statists and their employers will pull.

Though I've been alive for 50 years, the mindset of a Statist is still alien to me.

bluegrass  posted on  2010-12-16   1:22:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#130. To: Flintlock (#127)

The gauntlet is at your feet....pussy

Man up or shut up....pussy

Nashville.

The gauntlet is at your feet....pussy

Man up or shut up....pussy

I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. - Benjamin Franklin

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-12-16   1:23:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#131. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#130)

Nashville.

Why, so you can call the cops.

Fuck You!

What's wrong hillbilly, can't you scavenge enough aluminum cans for a ticket? Price it one-way, that's all you'll need.

"The person who agrees with you 80 percent of the time is a friend and an ally — not a 20 percent traitor" - Ronald Reagan

Flintlock  posted on  2010-12-16   1:33:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#132. To: Flintlock (#131) (Edited)

Why, so you can call the cops.

Call the cops for what? fighting in a gym? LOL! Right. Go ahead and keep making excuses pussy.

Fuck You!

You wouldn't like it. I'm not a black Republican named West. You'll have to stick with your negro blow-up sex doll.

I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. - Benjamin Franklin

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-12-16   1:38:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#133. To: RickyJ (#90)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

"The ground of liberty is to be gained by inches, and we must be contented to secure what we can get from time to time and eternally press forward for what is yet to get. It takes time to persuade men to do even what is for their own good." -- Thomas Jefferson

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2010-12-16   9:46:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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