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Title: Senate Blocks Bill for Illegal Immigrant Students
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URL Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/19/us/politics/19immig.html
Published: Dec 18, 2010
Author: DAVID M. HERSZENHORN
Post Date: 2010-12-18 13:19:42 by Jethro Tull
Keywords: None
Views: 2821
Comments: 162

Senate Blocks Bill for Illegal Immigrant Students

By DAVID M. HERSZENHORN

Published: December 18, 2010

The Senate on Saturday blocked a bill that would create a path to citizenship for certain illegal immigrant students who came to the United States as children, completed two years of college or military service and met other requirements including passing a criminal background check. The vote, 55-41 in favor of the bill, effectively kills the measure for this year, and its fate beyond that is uncertain.

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#3. To: Jethro Tull (#0)

Why on Earth does Congress consider these "freebies" during America's sunset as a global empire?

Rhetorically, they have their own heads up their asses while the nation is hemorrhaging to death based upon their own doings.

buckeroo  posted on  2010-12-18   13:27:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: buckeroo (#3)

Right you are, buck. I haven't a clue how this bill didn't pass, but it's a wonderful surprise as it will further anger the perpetual angry base of the socialist wing of the National Party. This rebuff to the Illegal Lobby makes me berry, berry happy.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-12-18   13:33:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Jethro Tull, Red Jones (#4)

This rebuff to the Illegal Lobby makes me berry, berry happy.

You are not alone. However... Red Jones might have a sad face.

buckeroo  posted on  2010-12-18   13:49:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: buckeroo, Red Jones, 4 (#5)

Red, has many fine qualities, but I believe he carries a touch of Stockholm Syndrome regarding illegals :)

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-12-18   13:52:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Jethro Tull (#6)

but I believe he carries a touch of Stockholm Syndrome regarding illegals :)

you are certainly entitled to your opinion.

But remember, I am sticking with Ronald Reagan on this issue. Reagan believed in forgiving the illegals.

I feel that any civilized society has an obligation to the children that grow up in that society. Most illegal immigrants' children believe it or not grow up with English as their preferred language. They go to American schools, have american friends and think that they are American.

We allowed their parents to come here and to exist here.

Red Jones  posted on  2010-12-18   13:59:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Red Jones (#7)

But remember, I am sticking with Ronald Reagan on this issue. Reagan believed in forgiving the illegals.

They go to American schools, have american friends and think that they are American.

Reagan sold his amnesty as a measure to STOP ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION!!! How has that worked out for this nation?

Yes, the illegal children go to our pubic schools on our tax dollars, Red. Isn't that enough of a gift to them without adding the amnesty cherry on top? Our schools are now broke with vast amounts of money spent on ESL and free lunches. How's it all working out for us, Red?

abraxas  posted on  2010-12-18   22:07:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: abraxas (#19)

don't blame me that the US congress has passed a law that protected employers who hire illegals. that was done in 1986. Don't blame me for that. and actually don't blame ronald reagan. He did not have a vote in congress. He came before the public and told everyone that the law needed to be changed to penalize employers for hiring illegals. He told everyone that congress screwed up and it needed to be fixed. I saw Reagan's speech. Don't blame me and don't blame reagan for the failure of congress.

Reagan was actually under great pressure to sign the bill. He did not come up with the idea contrary to your implication. He was also handicapped by dementia at the time and he had people surrounding him like Bush who were deceiving him. At least he came before the public and told everyone of the problem. that is a lot more than almost anyone else did.

If we had passed the legislation that reagan asked for, then these 20-30 million illegals would not be here. So don't blame him.

Red Jones  posted on  2010-12-18   22:16:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Red Jones (#21)

Reagan was actually under great pressure to sign the bill. He did not come up with the idea contrary to your implication. He was also handicapped by dementia at the time and he had people surrounding him like Bush who were deceiving him. At least he came before the public and told everyone of the problem. that is a lot more than almost anyone else did.

Spare me Red. Reagan signed it and therefore he is responsible for it. Sheesh, just a few posts up you were cheerleading Reagan as your reason for promoting amnesty.......yet, you continually omit that it was sold as a way to END ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION and has failed miserably.

abraxas  posted on  2010-12-18   22:20:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: abraxas (#24)

yet, you continually omit that it was sold as a way to END ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION and has failed miserably.

you are mistaken. Many politicians in those days and the mass media told us that the 1986 reform legislation would end illegal immigration. But Ronald Reagan was not one such person. You are a liar. Reagan said, and I saw his speech, that we needed to pass legislation to stop the new illegals from coming. he said that at the time he signed what he said was flawed legislation. Others sold the legislation as you said, reagan did not. The rest of our establishment did as you say. but reagan was the 1 rebel who told us the truth.

Red Jones  posted on  2010-12-18   22:24:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Red Jones (#28)

You are a liar.

You might retract that Red.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-12-18   22:29:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#37. To: Cynicom (#30)

why the heck should I. I saw ronald reagan's speech. she mis-characterized it. he was one leader on our public stage that warned us. He did not create the legislation. he said he opposed it while they were making it. The wall street journal said he opposed what they were doing. he signed the bill in protest. that is a fact. he did not originate the bill. Others did.

A story-line was created and the media sold it to us. But the reality is that reagan did warn us on that legislation. and the media conveniently ignored that part in their story-line. Others are addicted to that story-line the media sold. I am not. I remember what Reagan said and I will not mischaracterize it just to make some liar happy.

If somebody is going to mischaracterize reagan and slander him, then I don't really respect that. I do respect Ronald Reagan. Reagan explained carefully and patiently that millions of illegals would come here if we did not modify the legislation. He did that on national tv. Don't blame me for remembering that just because others believed the media story of those events.

reagan was not the author of those aspects of the legislation. Senate Republicans were. Put the blame where it belongs.

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