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Title: Senate Blocks Bill for Illegal Immigrant Students
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URL Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/19/us/politics/19immig.html
Published: Dec 18, 2010
Author: DAVID M. HERSZENHORN
Post Date: 2010-12-18 13:19:42 by Jethro Tull
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Comments: 162
Senate Blocks Bill for Illegal Immigrant Students By DAVID M. HERSZENHORN Published: December 18, 2010 The Senate on Saturday blocked a bill that would create a path to citizenship for certain illegal immigrant students who came to the United States as children, completed two years of college or military service and met other requirements including passing a criminal background check. The vote, 55-41 in favor of the bill, effectively kills the measure for this year, and its fate beyond that is uncertain. -Snip
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#3. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
Why on Earth does Congress consider these "freebies" during America's sunset as a global empire? Rhetorically, they have their own heads up their asses while the nation is hemorrhaging to death based upon their own doings.
Right you are, buck. I haven't a clue how this bill didn't pass, but it's a wonderful surprise as it will further anger the perpetual angry base of the socialist wing of the National Party. This rebuff to the Illegal Lobby makes me berry, berry happy.
You are not alone. However... Red Jones might have a sad face.
Red, has many fine qualities, but I believe he carries a touch of Stockholm Syndrome regarding illegals :)
you are certainly entitled to your opinion. But remember, I am sticking with Ronald Reagan on this issue. Reagan believed in forgiving the illegals. I feel that any civilized society has an obligation to the children that grow up in that society. Most illegal immigrants' children believe it or not grow up with English as their preferred language. They go to American schools, have american friends and think that they are American. We allowed their parents to come here and to exist here.
They go to American schools, have american friends and think that they are American. Reagan sold his amnesty as a measure to STOP ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION!!! How has that worked out for this nation? Yes, the illegal children go to our pubic schools on our tax dollars, Red. Isn't that enough of a gift to them without adding the amnesty cherry on top? Our schools are now broke with vast amounts of money spent on ESL and free lunches. How's it all working out for us, Red?
don't blame me that the US congress has passed a law that protected employers who hire illegals. that was done in 1986. Don't blame me for that. and actually don't blame ronald reagan. He did not have a vote in congress. He came before the public and told everyone that the law needed to be changed to penalize employers for hiring illegals. He told everyone that congress screwed up and it needed to be fixed. I saw Reagan's speech. Don't blame me and don't blame reagan for the failure of congress. Reagan was actually under great pressure to sign the bill. He did not come up with the idea contrary to your implication. He was also handicapped by dementia at the time and he had people surrounding him like Bush who were deceiving him. At least he came before the public and told everyone of the problem. that is a lot more than almost anyone else did. If we had passed the legislation that reagan asked for, then these 20-30 million illegals would not be here. So don't blame him.
Spare me Red. Reagan signed it and therefore he is responsible for it. Sheesh, just a few posts up you were cheerleading Reagan as your reason for promoting amnesty.......yet, you continually omit that it was sold as a way to END ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION and has failed miserably.
you are mistaken. Many politicians in those days and the mass media told us that the 1986 reform legislation would end illegal immigration. But Ronald Reagan was not one such person. You are a liar. Reagan said, and I saw his speech, that we needed to pass legislation to stop the new illegals from coming. he said that at the time he signed what he said was flawed legislation. Others sold the legislation as you said, reagan did not. The rest of our establishment did as you say. but reagan was the 1 rebel who told us the truth.
Red - I know that your feelings and positions on this matter are strong, but to call another member a liar is beneath you.
I thot so too but he ignored it. Calling anyone here a liar is unforgivable. Calling a lady a liar is beyond the pale.
I try to keep the level of discourse (most times) on a higher level than elsewhere.
I would not call anyone here that name, no one, regardless of the situation. I was raised differently perhaps.
I would not call anyone here that name, no one, regardless of the situation. I was raised differently perhaps. Not so differently from many of us. There was a time when that would have resulted in a glove across the face, and a set time for pistols to settle such an outrageous character assassination. I'm of the olde school also on this one.
#62. To: Lod, 4 (#57)
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#4. To: buckeroo (#3)
#5. To: Jethro Tull, Red Jones (#4)
This rebuff to the Illegal Lobby makes me berry, berry happy.
#6. To: buckeroo, Red Jones, 4 (#5)
#7. To: Jethro Tull (#6)
but I believe he carries a touch of Stockholm Syndrome regarding illegals :)
#19. To: Red Jones (#7)
But remember, I am sticking with Ronald Reagan on this issue. Reagan believed in forgiving the illegals.
#21. To: abraxas (#19)
#24. To: Red Jones (#21)
Reagan was actually under great pressure to sign the bill. He did not come up with the idea contrary to your implication. He was also handicapped by dementia at the time and he had people surrounding him like Bush who were deceiving him. At least he came before the public and told everyone of the problem. that is a lot more than almost anyone else did.
#28. To: abraxas (#24)
yet, you continually omit that it was sold as a way to END ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION and has failed miserably.
#36. To: Red Jones (#28)
#39. To: Lod (#36)
I know that your feelings and positions on this matter are strong, but to call another member a liar is beneath you.
#46. To: Cynicom, 4 (#39)
#49. To: Lod (#46)
I try to keep the level of discourse (most times) on a higher level than elsewhere.
#57. To: Cynicom (#49)
I try to keep the level of discourse (most times) on a higher level than elsewhere.
Replies to Comment # 57. There was a time when that would have resulted in a glove across the face
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