The Senate on Saturday blocked a bill that would create a path to citizenship for certain illegal immigrant students who came to the United States as children, completed two years of college or military service and met other requirements including passing a criminal background check. The vote, 55-41 in favor of the bill, effectively kills the measure for this year, and its fate beyond that is uncertain.
I feel that any civilized society has an obligation to the children that grow up in that society. Most illegal immigrants' children believe it or not grow up with English as their preferred language. They go to American schools, have american friends and think that they are American.
We allowed their parents to come here and to exist here.
Excellent point.
The problem is with the mexican gang-bangers, car-stealing, drug dealing, la raza, and all the other malcontents here. These should be shown the exit, pronto.
Somewhere in Kenya, a village is missing its idiot.
"I feel that any civilized society has an obligation to the children that grow up in that society"
Apparently you also think that if Mexicans can sneak into this country they can hand that reponsibility over to Americans.
They have schools in Mexico. Let them educate their own kids --- if they can. Only 41% of Los Angeles Unified School District students and 39% of Clark County (Las Vegas) kids graduated from high school last year.
The problem is with the mexican gang-bangers, car-stealing, drug dealing, la raza, and all the other malcontents here. These should be shown the exit, pronto.
Our First Malcontent is the idiot from Kenya!!! He has found the "exit" on many occasions, but he keeps coming back. I wonder if someone would volunteer for the job of sending him to "secondary" upon his return from his next trip and demanding he produce his birth certificate. Otherwise, if not produced, advise him his passport looks to be a forgery and send him to Kenya!!!
I wonder if someone would volunteer for the job of sending him to "secondary" upon his return from his next trip and demanding he produce his birth certificate.
This kind of legislation is precisely the reason that the Framers insisted on the natural born qualification for the office of POTUS.
But remember, I am sticking with Ronald Reagan on this issue. Reagan believed in forgiving the illegals.
They go to American schools, have american friends and think that they are American.
Reagan sold his amnesty as a measure to STOP ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION!!! How has that worked out for this nation?
Yes, the illegal children go to our pubic schools on our tax dollars, Red. Isn't that enough of a gift to them without adding the amnesty cherry on top? Our schools are now broke with vast amounts of money spent on ESL and free lunches. How's it all working out for us, Red?
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
don't blame me that the US congress has passed a law that protected employers who hire illegals. that was done in 1986. Don't blame me for that. and actually don't blame ronald reagan. He did not have a vote in congress. He came before the public and told everyone that the law needed to be changed to penalize employers for hiring illegals. He told everyone that congress screwed up and it needed to be fixed. I saw Reagan's speech. Don't blame me and don't blame reagan for the failure of congress.
Reagan was actually under great pressure to sign the bill. He did not come up with the idea contrary to your implication. He was also handicapped by dementia at the time and he had people surrounding him like Bush who were deceiving him. At least he came before the public and told everyone of the problem. that is a lot more than almost anyone else did.
If we had passed the legislation that reagan asked for, then these 20-30 million illegals would not be here. So don't blame him.
Psalms 137:1 By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion.
I feel that any civilized society has an obligation to the children that grow up in that society
Okay Red.
According to the Christian Science Monitor: The Center for Immigration Studies in Washington recently estimated that about one million illegal immigrants would eventually enroll in public institutions (state universities or community colleges) as a result of the DREAM Act, and that each one would receive a tuition subsidy from taxpayers of nearly $6,000 per year for a total cost of $6.2 billion a year.
Why the hell should illegal alien children get $6K per year for college and NOT MY KIDS?
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Reagan was actually under great pressure to sign the bill. He did not come up with the idea contrary to your implication. He was also handicapped by dementia at the time and he had people surrounding him like Bush who were deceiving him. At least he came before the public and told everyone of the problem. that is a lot more than almost anyone else did.
Spare me Red. Reagan signed it and therefore he is responsible for it. Sheesh, just a few posts up you were cheerleading Reagan as your reason for promoting amnesty.......yet, you continually omit that it was sold as a way to END ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION and has failed miserably.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
black americans also are far less likely to serve in today's wars than white americans. does this mean they're not american?
Red...
Black Americans have no choice, they have no dual citizenship, they cannot run to Mexico and be a citizen.
White americans will run once again to Canada and illegals will run to Mexico, count on it. The free ride on the gravy train is not free after all, the bill will come due, they will run south.
Mexico took a pass in WW2 but made a fortune selling oil etc to the US. Troops to fight, sorry, just send money.
But perhaps if your children were to take the same steps they would also receive the same subsidy.
It's a subsidy for ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT CHILDREN Red......how shall my kiddies fit into that criteria?
Why should We The People be expected to pay this subsidy for these children? As I already stated we have already paid about $8K per year pre student to put them through K-12 education. Isn't that enough?
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
yet, you continually omit that it was sold as a way to END ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION and has failed miserably.
you are mistaken. Many politicians in those days and the mass media told us that the 1986 reform legislation would end illegal immigration. But Ronald Reagan was not one such person. You are a liar. Reagan said, and I saw his speech, that we needed to pass legislation to stop the new illegals from coming. he said that at the time he signed what he said was flawed legislation. Others sold the legislation as you said, reagan did not. The rest of our establishment did as you say. but reagan was the 1 rebel who told us the truth.
Psalms 137:1 By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion.
well I'm not going to serve in the wars. and I think anyone that does is stupid. I advised all of my family members not to serve. some served anyway.
the recent immigrants from mexico & central america as well as the others born here who are descendant from those regions have voluntarily decided not to serve in these wars in very large numbers, much more so than the whites. and the blacks have decided not to serve as well. this does not make them opposed to our society or our country.
Psalms 137:1 By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion.
Reagan said, and I saw his speech, that we needed to pass legislation to stop the new illegals from coming
This is what I've been saying Red. Did they stop coming? NO!! Reagan said it would STOP ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION (meaning those new immigrants coming). In your statement above, you have only proven exactly what I've been saying while continually failing to admit that the amnesty failed miserably as a measure to "stop the new illegals from coming" as per Reagan's statements.
So, what is your circular argument here, Red?
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
why the heck should I. I saw ronald reagan's speech. she mis-characterized it. he was one leader on our public stage that warned us. He did not create the legislation. he said he opposed it while they were making it. The wall street journal said he opposed what they were doing. he signed the bill in protest. that is a fact. he did not originate the bill. Others did.
A story-line was created and the media sold it to us. But the reality is that reagan did warn us on that legislation. and the media conveniently ignored that part in their story-line. Others are addicted to that story-line the media sold. I am not. I remember what Reagan said and I will not mischaracterize it just to make some liar happy.
If somebody is going to mischaracterize reagan and slander him, then I don't really respect that. I do respect Ronald Reagan. Reagan explained carefully and patiently that millions of illegals would come here if we did not modify the legislation. He did that on national tv. Don't blame me for remembering that just because others believed the media story of those events.
reagan was not the author of those aspects of the legislation. Senate Republicans were. Put the blame where it belongs.
Psalms 137:1 By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion.
Not enough of a rebel to reach for the veto pen, it would seem.
Amen to that. Worse, he sold it to the people on a load of BS. Since his amnesty, tens of millions of new immigrants have come into this nation for all the freebies and hopes of another amnesty like Reagans.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Oh, so he had no veto power? Let me make it clear for you Red: VETO=PROTEST.
Talk about mischaracterizing........
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
After completing fourteen home-study Army Extension Courses, Reagan enlisted in the Army Enlisted Reserve[18] on April 29, 1937, as a private assigned to Troop B, 322nd Cavalry at Des Moines, Iowa.[19] He was appointed Second Lieutenant in the Officers Reserve Corps of the Cavalry on May 25, 1937.[20]
Reagan was ordered to active duty for the first time on April 18, 1942. Due to his nearsightedness, he was classified for limited service only, which excluded him from serving overseas.[21] His first assignment was at the San Francisco Port of Embarkation at Fort Mason, California, as a liaison officer of the Port and Transportation Office.[22] Upon the approval of the Army Air Force (AAF), he applied for a transfer from the Cavalry to the AAF on May 15, 1942, and was assigned to AAF Public Relations and subsequently to the 1st Motion Picture Unit (officially, the "18th AAF Base Unit") in Culver City, California.[22] On January 14, 1943 he was promoted to First Lieutenant and was sent to the Provisional Task Force Show Unit of This Is The Army at Burbank, California.[22] He returned to the 1st Motion Picture Unit after completing this duty and was promoted to Captain on July 22, 1943.[19]
In January 1944, Captain Reagan was ordered to temporary duty in New York City to participate in the opening of the sixth War Loan Drive. He was re-assigned to the 18th AAF Base Unit on November 14, 1944, where he remained until the end of World War II.[19] He was recommended for promotion to Major on February 2, 1945, but this recommendation was disapproved on July 17 of that year.[23] He returned to Fort MacArthur, California, where he was separated from active duty on December 9, 1945.[23] By the end of the war, his units had produced some 400 training films for the AAF.[19]
if people here are going to lie outright about reagan's speech on this subject and historical events, that is OK with me. I'm not going to lie about it.
Reagan stood before the nation on national tv and told them the legislation needed to be modified or else millions of illegals would come. and then abraxas blames reagan. not acceptable.
the media and other politicians besides reagan told us the legislation would keep illegals out. Reagan himself said just the opposite. Don't blame reagan for what the others did is all I'm saying.
and as far as I'm concerned abraxas called me a liar by disputing what I said about Reagan. all I did was throw the truth back at her.
It is an absolute lie and a slander against reagan to say that reagan tried to sell anyone on that legislation. He signed very reluctantly he said in a national speech and pointed out its flaws. Just because the media has a different story-line I am supposed to believe it. screw the media and all those foolish enough to idolize it.
and don't blame me if your memories are so fuzzy.
Psalms 137:1 By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion.
If you were someone, knew someone, or had plenty of money, you could find a hiding place.
I saw a lot of it, too much.
Anyone that believes the beaners will stand and fight are wrong. Some individuals, certainly, en masse it will be South of the border, whites with no leverage will Jimmy Carter north.
you served. I did not. and will not. when they invade our country, that is when I will fight, and it doesn't matter what age I am at that time. not before. and it doesn't matter what the penalties are.
Psalms 137:1 By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion.
and as far as I'm concerned abraxas called me a liar by disputing what I said about Reagan. all I did was throw the truth back at her.
I did not such thing and YOU KNOW IT!!
You threw back EXACTLY WHAT I HAD BEEN SAYING WITHOUT ACKNOWLEDGING THE EPIC FAILURE IN REGARDS TO STOPPING NEW IMMIGRANTS. It's right up there on the thread and you can't deny it, Red.
Reagan signed it when he could have vetoed it.....that would have been protest. He did not and therefore he is responsible for its epic failure.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
