The Senate on Saturday blocked a bill that would create a path to citizenship for certain illegal immigrant students who came to the United States as children, completed two years of college or military service and met other requirements including passing a criminal background check. The vote, 55-41 in favor of the bill, effectively kills the measure for this year, and its fate beyond that is uncertain.
Why on Earth does Congress consider these "freebies" during America's sunset as a global empire?
Rhetorically, they have their own heads up their asses while the nation is hemorrhaging to death based upon their own doings.
"In a free society we're supposed to know the truth," ... "In a society where truth becomes treason, then we're in big trouble. And now, people who are revealing the truth are getting into trouble for it" -- Ron Paul, circa 2010-12-02
Right you are, buck. I haven't a clue how this bill didn't pass, but it's a wonderful surprise as it will further anger the perpetual angry base of the socialist wing of the National Party. This rebuff to the Illegal Lobby makes me berry, berry happy.
This rebuff to the Illegal Lobby makes me berry, berry happy.
You are not alone. However... Red Jones might have a sad face.
"In a free society we're supposed to know the truth," ... "In a society where truth becomes treason, then we're in big trouble. And now, people who are revealing the truth are getting into trouble for it" -- Ron Paul, circa 2010-12-02
but I believe he carries a touch of Stockholm Syndrome regarding illegals :)
you are certainly entitled to your opinion.
But remember, I am sticking with Ronald Reagan on this issue. Reagan believed in forgiving the illegals.
I feel that any civilized society has an obligation to the children that grow up in that society. Most illegal immigrants' children believe it or not grow up with English as their preferred language. They go to American schools, have american friends and think that they are American.
We allowed their parents to come here and to exist here.
Psalms 137:1 By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion.
We allowed their parents to come here and to exist here.
No, "we" didn't. The US government did and in violation of the US Constitution and in particular, the 14th Amendment.
"In a free society we're supposed to know the truth," ... "In a society where truth becomes treason, then we're in big trouble. And now, people who are revealing the truth are getting into trouble for it" -- Ron Paul, circa 2010-12-02
We allowed their parents to come here and to exist here.
What you mean "we" White Man?
"We" as in "We The People" have had no say in it as the Feral Government bowing to the plans of their Globalist Psychiatrist/Bankster masters opened the floodgates intentionally to destroy the culture. Nothing is done to stem the flow other than a few attempts by volunteer groups such as the Minutemen.
It is an unfortunate situation, but they are not here legally, and that is the bottom line.
It may seem cold hearted to you, but I simply regard it as just. If they wish to remain here some accomodation could be made, but not without a legal application in the same fashion as anyone else wishing to emigrate here.
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha
... but not without a legal application in the same fashion as anyone else wishing to emigrate here.
Applying for a Green card and later citizenship is way too difficult in America. The steps take way too long and according to Red Jones need to be "short-cutted" so as to ensure America is a freedom loving nation for the whole wide world to see.
Screw all those other people that wait their respective turn to enter the US legally and then take the time to apply for citizenship. And screw all the taxpayers! Illegals come first in America.
"In a free society we're supposed to know the truth," ... "In a society where truth becomes treason, then we're in big trouble. And now, people who are revealing the truth are getting into trouble for it" -- Ron Paul, circa 2010-12-02
some accomodation could be made, but not without a legal application in the same fashion as anyone else wishing to emigrate here.
There is the rub, Red.
In doing what they have done, albeit because of decisions that their parents have made, and in asking what they are asking for, these people are cutting in line in front of a great many folks that have jumped through a great many hoops to get here in accordance with the law, and who jump through many more to get permanent residency and eventually citizenship.
Immigrants who come here legally to stay and live do not poll well on the "Dream Act" or similar legislation. In fact they are strongly against it. This is one of the chief reasons that this bill failed. It was patently unfair.
I feel that any civilized society has an obligation to the children that grow up in that society. Most illegal immigrants' children believe it or not grow up with English as their preferred language. They go to American schools, have american friends and think that they are American.
We allowed their parents to come here and to exist here.
Excellent point.
The problem is with the mexican gang-bangers, car-stealing, drug dealing, la raza, and all the other malcontents here. These should be shown the exit, pronto.
Somewhere in Kenya, a village is missing its idiot.
"I feel that any civilized society has an obligation to the children that grow up in that society"
Apparently you also think that if Mexicans can sneak into this country they can hand that reponsibility over to Americans.
They have schools in Mexico. Let them educate their own kids --- if they can. Only 41% of Los Angeles Unified School District students and 39% of Clark County (Las Vegas) kids graduated from high school last year.
The problem is with the mexican gang-bangers, car-stealing, drug dealing, la raza, and all the other malcontents here. These should be shown the exit, pronto.
Our First Malcontent is the idiot from Kenya!!! He has found the "exit" on many occasions, but he keeps coming back. I wonder if someone would volunteer for the job of sending him to "secondary" upon his return from his next trip and demanding he produce his birth certificate. Otherwise, if not produced, advise him his passport looks to be a forgery and send him to Kenya!!!
I wonder if someone would volunteer for the job of sending him to "secondary" upon his return from his next trip and demanding he produce his birth certificate.
This kind of legislation is precisely the reason that the Framers insisted on the natural born qualification for the office of POTUS.
But remember, I am sticking with Ronald Reagan on this issue. Reagan believed in forgiving the illegals.
They go to American schools, have american friends and think that they are American.
Reagan sold his amnesty as a measure to STOP ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION!!! How has that worked out for this nation?
Yes, the illegal children go to our pubic schools on our tax dollars, Red. Isn't that enough of a gift to them without adding the amnesty cherry on top? Our schools are now broke with vast amounts of money spent on ESL and free lunches. How's it all working out for us, Red?
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
don't blame me that the US congress has passed a law that protected employers who hire illegals. that was done in 1986. Don't blame me for that. and actually don't blame ronald reagan. He did not have a vote in congress. He came before the public and told everyone that the law needed to be changed to penalize employers for hiring illegals. He told everyone that congress screwed up and it needed to be fixed. I saw Reagan's speech. Don't blame me and don't blame reagan for the failure of congress.
Reagan was actually under great pressure to sign the bill. He did not come up with the idea contrary to your implication. He was also handicapped by dementia at the time and he had people surrounding him like Bush who were deceiving him. At least he came before the public and told everyone of the problem. that is a lot more than almost anyone else did.
If we had passed the legislation that reagan asked for, then these 20-30 million illegals would not be here. So don't blame him.
Psalms 137:1 By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion.
I feel that any civilized society has an obligation to the children that grow up in that society
Okay Red.
According to the Christian Science Monitor: The Center for Immigration Studies in Washington recently estimated that about one million illegal immigrants would eventually enroll in public institutions (state universities or community colleges) as a result of the DREAM Act, and that each one would receive a tuition subsidy from taxpayers of nearly $6,000 per year for a total cost of $6.2 billion a year.
Why the hell should illegal alien children get $6K per year for college and NOT MY KIDS?
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Reagan was actually under great pressure to sign the bill. He did not come up with the idea contrary to your implication. He was also handicapped by dementia at the time and he had people surrounding him like Bush who were deceiving him. At least he came before the public and told everyone of the problem. that is a lot more than almost anyone else did.
Spare me Red. Reagan signed it and therefore he is responsible for it. Sheesh, just a few posts up you were cheerleading Reagan as your reason for promoting amnesty.......yet, you continually omit that it was sold as a way to END ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION and has failed miserably.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
black americans also are far less likely to serve in today's wars than white americans. does this mean they're not american?
Red...
Black Americans have no choice, they have no dual citizenship, they cannot run to Mexico and be a citizen.
White americans will run once again to Canada and illegals will run to Mexico, count on it. The free ride on the gravy train is not free after all, the bill will come due, they will run south.
Mexico took a pass in WW2 but made a fortune selling oil etc to the US. Troops to fight, sorry, just send money.
But perhaps if your children were to take the same steps they would also receive the same subsidy.
It's a subsidy for ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT CHILDREN Red......how shall my kiddies fit into that criteria?
Why should We The People be expected to pay this subsidy for these children? As I already stated we have already paid about $8K per year pre student to put them through K-12 education. Isn't that enough?
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
yet, you continually omit that it was sold as a way to END ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION and has failed miserably.
you are mistaken. Many politicians in those days and the mass media told us that the 1986 reform legislation would end illegal immigration. But Ronald Reagan was not one such person. You are a liar. Reagan said, and I saw his speech, that we needed to pass legislation to stop the new illegals from coming. he said that at the time he signed what he said was flawed legislation. Others sold the legislation as you said, reagan did not. The rest of our establishment did as you say. but reagan was the 1 rebel who told us the truth.
Psalms 137:1 By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion.
well I'm not going to serve in the wars. and I think anyone that does is stupid. I advised all of my family members not to serve. some served anyway.
the recent immigrants from mexico & central america as well as the others born here who are descendant from those regions have voluntarily decided not to serve in these wars in very large numbers, much more so than the whites. and the blacks have decided not to serve as well. this does not make them opposed to our society or our country.
Psalms 137:1 By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion.
Reagan said, and I saw his speech, that we needed to pass legislation to stop the new illegals from coming
This is what I've been saying Red. Did they stop coming? NO!! Reagan said it would STOP ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION (meaning those new immigrants coming). In your statement above, you have only proven exactly what I've been saying while continually failing to admit that the amnesty failed miserably as a measure to "stop the new illegals from coming" as per Reagan's statements.
So, what is your circular argument here, Red?
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
why the heck should I. I saw ronald reagan's speech. she mis-characterized it. he was one leader on our public stage that warned us. He did not create the legislation. he said he opposed it while they were making it. The wall street journal said he opposed what they were doing. he signed the bill in protest. that is a fact. he did not originate the bill. Others did.
A story-line was created and the media sold it to us. But the reality is that reagan did warn us on that legislation. and the media conveniently ignored that part in their story-line. Others are addicted to that story-line the media sold. I am not. I remember what Reagan said and I will not mischaracterize it just to make some liar happy.
If somebody is going to mischaracterize reagan and slander him, then I don't really respect that. I do respect Ronald Reagan. Reagan explained carefully and patiently that millions of illegals would come here if we did not modify the legislation. He did that on national tv. Don't blame me for remembering that just because others believed the media story of those events.
reagan was not the author of those aspects of the legislation. Senate Republicans were. Put the blame where it belongs.
Psalms 137:1 By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion.
Not enough of a rebel to reach for the veto pen, it would seem.
Amen to that. Worse, he sold it to the people on a load of BS. Since his amnesty, tens of millions of new immigrants have come into this nation for all the freebies and hopes of another amnesty like Reagans.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
