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Title: Suburbs' red-light camera revenues on the blink Fewer tickets, less money prompt some to take new look at enforcement
Source: [None]
URL Source: http://articles.chicagotribune.com/ ... unners-roll-through-red-lights
Published: Dec 20, 2010
Author: Robert McCoppin and Lisa Black
Post Date: 2010-12-20 21:44:58 by Jethro Tull
Keywords: None
Views: 276
Comments: 18

Suburbs' red-light camera revenues on the blink

Fewer tickets, less money prompt some to take new look at enforcement

December 19, 2010|By Robert McCoppin and Lisa Black, Tribune reporters

Former Bellwood administrator Roy McCampbell once compared red-light cameras to a lottery or casino — a "guaranteed amount of money."

But as the cameras reduce the number of drivers who roll through red lights, the number of $100 fines is also dropping.

In Bellwood, which in late 2006 became the first suburb to install the cameras, photographed violations brought in $1.1 million at their peak in 2008, instead of the projected $1.5 million to $2 million. Revenues dropped almost by half last year, and officials say net revenues this year are near $250,000.

"I don't think it ever got close," said chief of staff Peter Tsiolis. "If you are anticipating $1.5 million and get $250,000, yes, there is disappointment."

The village's experience is being played out in other suburbs that once promoted them as a safety device that could also generate millions of dollars. But the revenue they've produced often has been less than anticipated, sometimes much less.

The good news, officials say, is that red-light violations are down in many places, making streets safer. And since the ticket revenue was a budget bonus for most communities and because a drop-off was expected over time, Tsiolis and others say villages haven't had to cut services because of ticket-revenue shortfalls.

Nevertheless, the loss of income has some officials rethinking use of the cameras. Some driver and anti-tax groups have questioned the effectiveness of the enforcement tools in reducing crashes while raising money. A backlash prompted Schaumburg, Lombard and Bolingbrook to eliminate the cameras. Buffalo Grove officials recently decided not to install them.

Nabbed by a red-light camera in Northlake last year, Jill Dickerson, 45, of Elmhurst, admits she doesn't like them. Chastened by her experience, Dickerson is now leery of yellow lights.

"It's either slam on your brakes in the middle of the intersection or keep going," Dickerson said. "I think there have to be some judgments made that can only be made by a cop who is sitting there."

Some drivers and pedestrians, however, welcome the crackdown on red-light runners, and towns continue to deploy the cameras. River Forest added them last year, and Des Plaines and Highland Park wired their first cameras this year.

Nationally, use of the cameras is expanding. Almost 500 communities use red-light cameras, including more than 70 in Illinois, the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety reported.


Poster Comment:

Uh oh....revenue is down. This isn't good. Oh, and if anyone was confused as to the intent of these camera's, safety isn't high on the list.

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#1. To: Jethro Tull (#0)

But as the cameras reduce the number of drivers who roll through red lights, the number of $100 fines is also dropping.

My daughter in Rancho Cucamonga, CA received a traffic violation last year for a rolling stop; she received it in the mail about two weeks later and didn't even remember the incident; in her case the fine was 250 bucks.

She fought it in court. The case was dismissed.

"In a free society we're supposed to know the truth," ... "In a society where truth becomes treason, then we're in big trouble. And now, people who are revealing the truth are getting into trouble for it" -- Ron Paul, circa 2010-12-02

buckeroo  posted on  2010-12-20   21:51:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: buckeroo (#1)

Excellent. If even 30% of us fight tickets, the system will grind to a halt.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-12-20   21:55:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Jethro Tull (#0)

These red light infractions the municipalities collect upon the citizenry, violate the citizens Fifth and Sixth Amendment. It is wise for the citizens to challenge these infractions because most of them being collected are done as a means to extort money from the taxpayers.

Long ago I learned that deceit is legal and that the law is not what it appears to be.

purplerose  posted on  2010-12-20   22:30:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: buckeroo (#1)

did the cop not show up, or what? how exactly did she beat it?

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Artisan  posted on  2010-12-20   22:33:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: buckeroo (#1)

Below is some great info on beating red light camera tickets for californians. The website, helpigotaticket.com, is a 100% free site where i learned most of what I know about beating tickets. I have beaten 8 of them so far using the free info at the site. One of those wins was in Superior court of appeals, where i had my conviction by a superior court judge (also in Rancho) thrown out by three of her bosses: a panel of 3 appelate judges in SB County. without a lawyer. i wrote the legal brief. it is a great site.

helpigotaticket.com/stra/re dlight.html

Red Light Camera Tickets Red light enforcement using cameras not only smacks of Big Brother, it also raises many legal and even Constitutional issues. The good news is that these tickets can be beaten.

The even more interesting news is that some of these "tickets" aren't even really tickets. If your "ticket" does not have the court address and/or tells you not to contact the court,you need to check out the information on fake/snitch "tickets" at highwayrobbery.net.

Since the government is not going to play fair on these tickets, why should you? Here is the tactical nuke to blow the case completely out of the court:

Your honor, I believe that if the people want to convict me of violating a signal, it is incumbent upon them to first establish that the signal was installed and operated according to the law. Indeed, this is their duty per Vehicle Code section 21455.5(c)(2)(C). Therefore, I request that (per People v Earnest (33 Cal.App.4th Supp. 18)) they produce originals or certified copies of all of the documentation required to install and operate a traffic control signal per Chapter 4 of the California 2003 Supplement of the Manual of Universal Traffic Control Devices (MUTCD).

This will require the officer to carry at least two binders full of certified documentation to court for each traffic signal, and the judge to spend about an hour reviewing the documentation before the trial can proceed.

Just in case the officer does bring the certified documents, you have the right to review and question the officer on each of them. This can easily take another few hours of the courts' time. As long as you keep your questions on point the judge has to allow them, or be overturned for denial of due process. (If even one half of 1% of the people who got these tickets would do this, the system would grind to a halt. They would not be able to afford to write these tickets. If you really want to fight back, this is the way to do it - take the profit out of the tickets for revenue scam.)

As a pre-emptive measure you can request all of the information under discovery. The form for this is on the Discovery page. The constructive notice in the form tells the DA that if he fails to comply, it will be deemed failure to prosecute. This means he can ship you two binders of documents or let you move to have the case dismissed. Hmmm...

"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2010-12-20   22:40:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Artisan (#5)

Renee's brother (my son) pointed that same website out to her. Although she memorized the data presented, she didn't have a chance to present anything in her own defense.

Because she showed up at court, on time (although she waited for more than two hours) and dressed professionally, when the case was brought up to the docket, it was immediately excused.

Luck? Beats me. But, she pushed back on the system wherein most folks just pay the HUGE fine because it is otherwise annoying.

:)

"In a free society we're supposed to know the truth," ... "In a society where truth becomes treason, then we're in big trouble. And now, people who are revealing the truth are getting into trouble for it" -- Ron Paul, circa 2010-12-02

buckeroo  posted on  2010-12-20   22:54:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Jethro Tull (#0)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-12-21   0:09:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Jethro Tull (#2) (Edited)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-12-21   0:10:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Jethro Tull (#0)

Traffic violation revenue is also down because people simply do not have the money to pay the ticket.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2010-12-21   0:49:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: purplerose (#3)

Red light cameras can be defeated rather easily with sprays of gloss over the license plate. This is also another reason their revenue is going down.

www.phantomplate.com/

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2010-12-21   1:03:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Jethro Tull (#0)

"I don't think it ever got close," said chief of staff Peter Tsiolis. "If you are anticipating $1.5 million and get $250,000, yes, there is disappointment."

Obviously this was intended as a tax not an enforcement tool. You would think the proper article would be how fewer people running red lights has decreased accidents etc.


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farmfriend  posted on  2010-12-21   1:27:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: RickyJ (#10)

california outlawed that spray last year so it's a crime to use it, buy it or sell it in the state.

"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2010-12-21   1:34:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Jethro Tull (#0)

"I don't think it ever got close," said chief of staff Peter Tsiolis. "If you are anticipating $1.5 million and get $250,000, yes, there is disappointment."

Too fuckin bad !

"Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were (ever) our countrymen!”".

noone222  posted on  2010-12-21   6:46:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Jethro Tull (#0)

Oh, and if anyone was confused as to the intent of these camera's, safety isn't high on the list.

Agreed. This statement made it clear that traffic safety was not the reason they installed the cameras.

Former Bellwood administrator Roy McCampbell once compared red-light cameras to a lottery or casino — a "guaranteed amount of money."

During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.

Bill D Berger  posted on  2010-12-21   7:15:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Artisan (#12)

california outlawed that spray last year so it's a crime to use it, buy it or sell it in the state.

Ha hahahaha .... air is next ... illegals have obtained a waiver !

"Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were (ever) our countrymen!”".

noone222  posted on  2010-12-21   7:38:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: noone222, Bill D Berger, 4 (#13)

"I don't think it ever got close," said chief of staff Peter Tsiolis. "If you are anticipating $1.5 million and get $250,000, yes, there is disappointment."

****

Too fuckin bad !

Dear noone. It's become obvious you have deep seated anti-government thoughts and feelings. Please report immediately to the nearest government counselor who will help you work through your anger issues. Thanks.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-12-21   8:55:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Jethro Tull (#16)

Dear noone. It's become obvious you have deep seated anti-government thoughts and feelings. Please report immediately to the nearest government counselor who will help you work through your anger issues. Thanks.

Thanks for noticing ... just when I thought I was getting better.

"Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were (ever) our countrymen!”".

noone222  posted on  2010-12-21   12:42:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: RickyJ (#10)

Awesome!!

purplerose  posted on  2010-12-22   10:09:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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