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Title: American soldiers describe how they can kill civilians
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Published: Dec 22, 2010
Author: utube
Post Date: 2010-12-22 09:40:18 by Lysander_Spooner
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#1. To: Lysander_Spooner (#0)
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin
Very interesting video. It makes me believe these soldiers are under mind control.
Yep, n if they murder you they have a ready AK to label you a TERRRA-IST n absolve themselves of murder, being all they can be don't ya' know ! The US military is full of nothing short of mercenaries and legionaires, hired murders and useful idiots, I celebrate each time one is taken out, and there is one more young lady back home available for us more mature, 'useless to the State' freemen.
Perhaps you might take some time to study, who they are, how they arrived there, who pays them, and who shares any and all of their guilt. I assume your view is of the lowest level grunt, the ones that provide the weekly airlift of coffins back to the US????
I think that all of the thoughtful folks here have taken time to study how the conflicts that drag men to war collectively and into awful moral predicaments individually and personally are created by forces and interests that benefit from large scale conflict. Few of us believe that wars result from economic or political conflict among peoples alone. Such conflicts are directed and amplified at will by financial interests who have the power to sway minds. We clearly see how a people are moved to arms in the sinking of the Maine and the Lusitania, in the botched defense of Pearl Harbor, in the Gulf of Tonkin, and in the destruction of the Twin Towers which was a deliberate provocation most certainly not authored by a bearded man in a cave.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin
Sadly, most of the low level grunts have bought into the whole 'fighting for freedom' BS, but they are still useful idiots, and yes murderers, or aid and abet murderers. Most of my ire and contempt is for the politicians and so-called military leaders, also politicians, and for agent provacateurs in the military industrial complex and the yellow journalists and media who beat the drum for war. I also am contemptuous for 'Mericans who support the war, and especially the wimmins who passively 'support the troops' and the system of 'banksterism' and 'welfare Statism' that leads to these BS wars, and have no clue, can't connect the dots, wave their stupid flags while sending someone elses, or in many cases their own progeny to war to die or be permanently damaged.
We have the intertwined ruling elite, few in numbers, that determine when we will wage war and on what terms. The lowly "idiots" at the very bottom of the social order have nothing to do with deciding with whom to war. Remove the "idiots" from the military and we are left with the hierarchy and NO GRUNTS to do the bleeding and dying. The weekly coffin flights do NOT bring home Generals, nor clean hands diplomats, rather it is the bodies of "idiots". In my time in a war zone, I never met an idiot that had but two desires, one to go home now, if that is not possible, may I survive in some form.
I cannot agree with that but respect your view. Many here share your opinion of those men. I take note that were it not for those idiots, this corrupt war making government would be taking by force, your children or grandchildren to wage endless war. My neighbors son is on his second tour there, a surgeon, he made the mistake years ago of taking the government dollar to further his education. I have no knowledge of how and or why any of them arrived there, in that position, and I will not demean any of them. We paid them to learn to kill.
It is my belief that if it were not for these 'idiots' this corrupt war making government would not be able to wage endless war. Government exists because of the consent of the governed, if that consent is withdrawn, then no government, no endless wars. My children have withdrawn their consent as have I. We will not wage war for the criminals in government and their endless criminal wars. I pray my grandchildren will do the same.
History is replete with what happens to those that decide they will not serve. One perhaps thinks differently after they have seen men dragged from their homes for refusing to serve, think differently after they have seen fifty men at a time in leg irons and chains, airlifted direct to the front in a combat zone. Kill or be killed, reality is a stern taskmaster. They refused to serve, this government refused to listen and they lost. Very sobering sight to see your fellow countrymen taken away in chains.
I will not be dragged from my home alive, I will shoot as many of them that I can, I think others will do the same. It has been documented that only 5% or so of the men in WWII ever shot anyone, most pointed their guns in the air and fired on both sides, most could not bear to have this burden upon their conscience. It is only the sociopaths and psychopaths that murder in war, and of course who start them and wage them.
www.politico.com/news/stories/0108/7974.html Carter pardons draft dodgers Jan. 21, 1977
Documented perhaps 5 per cent of the total military. What might the documents say of the men in face to face combat? I suspect the the percentage would be a bit higher, rather misleading statistic. A man trying to survive does not allow his conscience to dictate his actions. If you look on the internet, there are photos and film of American soldiers slaughtering unarmed German soldiers, dozens of them. No one was ever punished for that, even tho the film existed. Of course, I forget, that was a "good war". For refusing to serve one could be shot. Ike did that. The idiot at the very bottom wants only to survive, nothing else.
I suspect the next go round will encompass everyone, there will be no draft dodgers, no one unwilling to serve, it will be a fight for personal survival. A higher level of moral ethics will go by the wayside. Amazing what brute force will do a mans ethics.
One perhaps thinks differently after they have seen men dragged from their homes for refusing to serve, think differently after they have seen fifty men at a time in leg irons and chains, airlifted direct to the front in a combat zone. Kill or be killed, reality is a stern taskmaster. They refused to serve, this government refused to listen and they lost. Very sobering sight to see your fellow countrymen taken away in chains. Due to your personal experiences with the draft, I can understand your perspective. However, this isn't the 1950's or 60's when everyone grew up with the draft and it was as normal to them as apple pie and Chevrolet. That's not the way it is anymore and hasn't been for a long time. While the American people may have been for a draft right after 9/11, those days are long gone. The only reason people aren't up in arms over the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan today is because they are so economically ignorant that they do not believe that the war affects them. It's real easy to be a war monger and say kill them all when you and your family are sitting safely in nowhereville, USA and others are doing the fighting and dying. That would change in a split second the instant the government tried to draft people (unless they first manufacture another 9/11). America's War of Terror in Iraq and Afghanistan would not stand up to the scrutiny the American people would give it if there was a threat to their children and any politician in Congress who tried to ramrod it through would be out looking for another job.
I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. - Benjamin Franklin
Way back when in the days that they were drafting men to go fight in Vietnam, I asked my dad what they'd to to you if you refused to serve when called up for the German army in WWII. He told me if you managed to evade arrest, that they would come for you with a truck and an armed detachment, haul you out of your house, read an order and shoot you on the spot. Paragraph 5 of the Emergency Code of Military Justice under the Third Reich (Kriegssonderstrafrechtsverordnung KSSVO) read like this: "All who attempt to avoid the Oath of Loyalty to Adolf Hitler or to evade military service will be punished with death." Pretty stark. Never-the-effing-less some 8000 Germans refused to fight. Most of them were Jehovah's Witnesses. Some were sent to camps and were shot there. Some went over the border and were later hunted down by the SS and shot. Many found themselves in the hands of the judicial system and were beheaded. Beheading was the statutory method execution famous for its use in the execution of Sophie Scholl and her brother Hans Scholl for the crime of antiwar leafleting. Beheading was a cumbersome procedure and most victims found themselves on the wrong end of a rifle barrel. German guillotine I would venture none. Going back to WW2, I know of no one that did and that goes thru the present. During WW2there were many talkers, but NONE walked the walk. During Korea is when I saw men in chains and leg irons, taken directly to the front in Korea as individual replacements. THEY RECEIVED NO AID NOR COMFORT FROM THE MEN ALREADY THERE. Kill or be killed was the only order. Regardless of whether a government is good, bad, or indifferent, if the cause is survival for one and all, THERE CANNOT BE ANY MORALISTS. The Soviets after liberating their own territory from the Germans, rounded up ALL men 15 to 70, gave them some semblance of a uniform, no weapons, installed them in a line behind the charging line. Their orders were to keep charging, and when they came across a Soviet dead or wounded they were to take his weapon and keep charging. How did they enforce it? There was a third line in the rear of NKVD men that shot anyone that did not do as ordered. Compliance was always 100 per cent.
Sick and sad, sad, stuff. It reminds me of A Few Good Men, in reverse.
Somewhere in Kenya, a village is missing its idiot.
I agree. It at times is difficult and hard to bear the reality that our world has become.....keep the faith....we will eventually overcome the bastards....right will one day reign supreme.
A Few Good Men. You have to laugh. The idea that a softball slinging jock will bring down a Colonel, especially and up and comer who's being groomed for flag rank in a situation like the one portrayed in the film is ludicrous. This was a Rob Reiner wet dream. Only grunts from Ashland, Kentucky get nailed when the wrong human gets sliced and diced. You cannot touch the officer class. Even lieutenant's bars confer immunity. Have we seen one really on the hook since Vietnam? They order torture and slaughter with impunity.
#2. To: Lysander_Spooner (#0)
#3. To: Eric Stratton (#1)
#4. To: Lysander_Spooner (#3)
The US military is full of nothing short of mercenaries and legionaires, hired murders and useful idiots, I celebrate each time one is taken out, and there is one more young lady back home available for us more mature, 'useless to the State' freemen.
#5. To: Cynicom (#4)
Perhaps you might take some time to study, who they are, how they arrived there, who pays them, and who shares any and all of their guilt.
#6. To: Lysander_Spooner (#3)
#7. To: Cynicom (#4)
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I assume your view is of the lowest level grunt, the ones that provide the weekly airlift of coffins back to the US????
#8. To: randge (#5)
#9. To: Lysander_Spooner (#7)
Sadly, most of the low level grunts have bought into the whole 'fighting for freedom' BS, but they are still useful idiots, and yes murderers, or aid and abet murderers.
#10. To: Cynicom (#9)
I take note that were it not for those idiots, this corrupt war making government would be taking by force, your children or grandchildren to wage endless war.
#11. To: Lysander_Spooner (#10)
My children have withdrawn their consent as have I. We will not wage war for the criminals in government and their endless criminal wars. I pray my grandchildren will do the same.
#12. To: Cynicom (#11)
One perhaps thinks differently after they have seen men dragged from their homes for refusing to serve
#13. To: Cynicom (#11)
"History is replete with what happens to those that decide they will not serve"
#14. To: Lysander_Spooner (#12)
It has been documented that only 5% or so of the men in WWII ever shot anyone, most pointed their guns in the air and fired on both sides, most could not bear to have this burden upon their conscience.
#15. To: Disgusted (#13)
Carter pardons draft dodgers Jan. 21, 1977
#16. To: Cynicom, Lysander_Spooner (#11)
History is replete with what happens to those that decide they will not serve.
#17. To: F.A. Hayek Fan, Cynicom, Lysander_Spooner (#16)
(Edited)
America's War of Terror in Iraq and Afghanistan would not stand up to the scrutiny the American people would give it if there was a threat to their children and any politician in Congress who tried to ramrod it through would be out looking for another job.
#18. To: randge (#17)
How many of our countrymen today would have this kind of courage if they were forced to make a similar decision.
#19. To: Lysander_Spooner (#0)
#20. To: Lod (#19)
Sick and sad stuff
#21. To: Lod (#19)
It reminds me of A Few Good Men, in reverse.
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