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Title: Chinese missile can sink all US warships
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URL Source: http://engforum.pravda.ru/showthrea ... -the-oceans-Dailymail.uk/page5
Published: Dec 29, 2010
Author: by Terrence Aym
Post Date: 2010-12-29 06:09:16 by Tatarewicz
Keywords: None
Views: 611
Comments: 46

A new 'smart missile' threatens to tip the balance of power towards China, US military analysts say.

The latest generation of the Dong Feng 21D (DF-21D) [Photo] is a supercarrier killer according to experts on China's armaments. The missile can be launched from land and strike an aircraft carrier 900 miles away.

China has 11,200 miles of coastline. That fact coupled with the range and accuracy of the new missile could spell doom for any US or allied carrier fleet.

Patrick Cronin, a senior director of the Asia-Pacific Security Program that is part of the Washington, DC Center for a New American Security organization admits the DF 21D is designed to kill carriers—specifically US Naval carriers. “The Navy has long had to fear carrier—killing capabilities. The emerging Chinese anti-ship missile capability, and in particular the DF 21D, represents the first post—Cold War capability that is both potentially capable of stopping our naval power projection and deliberately designed for that purpose.”

The new Chinese military's 96166 Unit will be outfitted with DF 21C medium-range ballistic missiles (MRBM) and possibly the DF-21D ASBM as well.

For more than a decade Pentagon strategists, analysts and war-gamers have worried about a new super missile that could pierce America's invincible carrier fleet. The carriers maintain the dominant American influence in the East Asian waters and counterbalance the threat of the globally emerging China.

With the potential loss of carrier superiority, the US faces the prospect of a very real Chinese move on Taiwan. It also could potentially greatly weaken the US leverage on North Korea and expose South Korea to greater military risk.

Other than a nuclear attack, American carriers are well shielded with defensive weaponry, high-tech machinery of war and of course state-of-the-art jet fighter aircraft and jet bombers. All US carriers are also equipped with conventional cruise missiles and nuclear-tipped cruise missiles.

"The Chinese now have a weapon that can potentially neutralize our 21st Century carrier fleet," a USN admiral said under conditions of anonymity. "If the Chinese decide to deploy it and launch against us we'd be backed into a corner. We'd have to respond with our nuclear arsenal."

The Chinese were floundering in attempts to build effective missiles until the Clinton administration agreed to sell China three Cray supercomputers as part of a trade deal. Intelligence analysts agree that China immediately put the superior computing power to work for their military, especially nuclear and missile development.

the Chinese are well aware their new weapon has the ability to checkmate the US Navy. For several years the Chinese government has become more strident in their demands that US naval forces stay out of the Yellow, East and South China seas. Beijing has flatly claimed that region as theirs.

International experts claim that several US naval exercises during the past several years have been delayed or moved because of Chinese threats. They point out China strongly protested war game exercises the US planned jointly with South Korea in the Yellow Sea. The naval task forces would have conducted operations near the north-eastern Chinese coast. China flatly stated any such exercise within the vicinity of its coastal waters would be a provocative action. They claimed that the naval forces would be within striking distance of Beijing. In the end the tensions were resolved by the US moving the exercise to the Sea of Japan.

Pentagon officials, however, flatly denied that was the motivation for moving the location of the exercises. In a terse statement to the press the Pentagon dismissed the allocation that any Chinese pressure ever modified any planned US naval exercises.

The Pentagon added that the United States Navy will not be told by Beijing where they can or cannot operate operate. “We reserve the right to exercise in international waters anywhere in the world,” declared Rear Admiral Daniel Cloyd, who headed the U.S.exercises.

As China has risen into the ranks of an emerging superpower, so has its military. Better armed, better trained, the Chinese navy is seeking to extend its influence across more of the region. And that region is rapidly expanding. Virtually each of the last 20 years China has funneled more and more money into its military forces and weaponry. China has maintained a stunning double-digit growth rate in military expenditures for all of those two decades.

With the new generation of missile and more to come, the US position has weakened and may weaken more in the years ahead.

Toshi Yoshihara, an associate professor at the U.S. Naval War College asserts that now “China can reach out and hit the U.S. well before the U.S. can get close enough to the mainland to hit back." China has maneuvered itself into a position where it can threaten and deter US action. The US has only faced such a situation during the action in the Pacific against the Japanese during WWII and when facing down the Soviet threat during the Cold War.

Considering the implications and significant threat of China's new generation of carrier-killing missiles, Yoshihara foresees the possibility that they “could have an enduring psychological effect on U.S. policymakers. It underscores more broadly that the U.S. Navy no longer rules the waves as it has since the end of World War II. The stark reality is that sea control cannot be taken for granted anymore.”

US power in the region is gradually being eclipsed. Sources:

Background on Dong Feng 21 missile series

Chinese 'Carrier-Killer' Missile Could Reshape Sea Combat - Fox News Chinese missile could shift Pacific power balance" - The Hindu Learn more about this author, Terrence Aym.

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#1. To: Tatarewicz, Jethro tull, Phant2000, Lod, All Paulites (#0)

is a supercarrier killer according to experts on China's armaments. The missile can be launched from land and strike an aircraft carrier 900 miles away.

China has 11,200 miles of coastline. That fact coupled with the range and accuracy of the new missile could spell doom for any US or allied carrier fleet.

Snicker, snarf...

Lets see now, the chinks launch one missile (guaranteed to hit) at one carrier 900 miles away. Or maybe to make sure, they launch six????? Either way, the carrier is doomed. Best we surrender now.

Or just perhaps, the carrier might KNOW the missile has been launched their way? Standard procedure, they keep 24/7 air cover, armed with nukes and conventional weapons. Then there are the little guys in the destroyers that can spot a launch within seconds and determine its target. They would have to be asleep.

Then there are the subs prowling around, each with sixteen BEEG ONES, and they are are only 100 miles off the China coast. Guess we have them asleep also.

Either way, splash one carrier, splash one China into a nuclear wasteland.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-12-29   8:04:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Cynicom (#1)

Either way, splash one carrier, splash one China into a nuclear wasteland.

Except that it acts as a counter move in the bigger geopolitical game. It is like the comment made by the great Grandmaster of Chess Howard Staunton that the most powerful threat is one that is held unrealized. The point being that it exists and cannot be ignored. It is like having a piece en prix and the opponent must focus his attention on trying to protect it while the other side is left to perform other maneuvers.

Of course dealing with the Chinese the game is really "Go" and is more subtle. Only when a Go Master has completed the set up will the overall design of the strategy begin to emerge, and by then it is too late.

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-12-29   12:28:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Original_Intent (#12)

Of course dealing with the Chinese the game is really "Go" and is more subtle. Only when a Go Master has completed the set up will the overall design of the strategy begin to emerge, and by then it is too late.

The major players know full well that when the first one is heaved, there will be no hesitation, there cannot be.

No absorbing the first punch as in olde warfare, this time it is all out on day one.

To preclude this, I suspect the bad guys will try FIRST the endless killing of a ground war. We lose any ground war, we lose any nuclear war.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-12-29   12:33:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Cynicom (#14)

You have to understand the Chinese mindset though, and it is a different viewpoint than in the West. The Chinese will attempt to win the battle, ala Sun Tzu, without firing a shot. It is a game of barriers and encirclement until there is no longer any move to be made.

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-12-29   12:46:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Original_Intent (#16)

The Chinese will attempt to win the battle, ala Sun Tzu, without firing a shot. It is a game of barriers and encirclement until there is no longer any move to be made.

I do know something of their mindset.

However, they understand that sheer numbers and time will not bring them the world. They tried war with Russia, Japan and the US and gained nothing. In Asia, they stand alone, they have no willing allies, not even the North Koreans.

As long as the US maintains a strong foothold on the Asian mainland and its periphery, China is going nowhere. Looking back to the Korean war, as a late comer to the war the Chinese lost nearly a million men, twenty times our loss.

Now they are much advanced in technology but feeding two billion people has become a problem. Add no oil and they will be hesitant about leaving the mainland.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-12-29   15:50:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Cynicom (#22)

In Asia, they stand alone, they have no willing allies

They're working on it; Chinese were first to announce the welcoming of South Africa into the BRIC. In a few years they will have rail connections not only through much of Asia but to Germany as well. With so many depending on China, including GM, it makes no sense to attack it.

Tatarewicz  posted on  2010-12-30   0:15:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Tatarewicz (#23)

With so many depending on China, including GM, it makes no sense to attack it.

China would be the attacker, not the attackee.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-12-30   5:37:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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