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Title: The Year of the Big Lie: Six Outrageous Falsehoods That Took Flight in 2010
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The Year of the Big Lie: Six Outrageous Falsehoods That Took Flight in 2010

Friday 31 December 2010

by: Adele M. Stan | AlterNet | Report

In a political year dominated by tales of polarization, a flurry of themes emerged as I contemplated the year just past -- the year of the Tea Party, the year that psycho became the new normal (Glenn Beck), the year in which info leaks rocked the world (WikiLeaks), the year that saw accomplishments defying conventional wisdom (Obama). But at the root of all of these themes lies the Lie; all other themes speak to either its advancement or in its defiance.

In the politics of 2010, the Big Lie, in both its gigantic and more attenuated forms, was almost always deployed in the service of corporations. It may not be so obvious at the surface, especially when the Lie dubs the nation's first black president a racist, or labels a Jewish holocaust survivor an anti-Semite, but the ultimate aim of the Lie in these contexts is to discredit purveyors of ideas and policies that certain corporate leaders and shills find threatening to their quest for all the world's riches.

What follows is a mere sampling of some of the defining lies of 2010, not presented in any particular order of importance, for they're all of a piece.

The Big Lie

The Big Lie theory goes like this: A gigantic, audacious lie is more likely to be believed by the masses than a small one if it is repeated often enough. First articulated in the pages of Mein Kampf by Adolf Hitler (who attributed the practice, of course, to Jews) and deployed as a tactic by Nazi master propagandist Joseph Goebbels, the Big Lie went mainstream in 2010, as its propagators on the Right were accepted by big media as respectable articulators of a legitimate point of view. These include Rep. Mike Pence, R-Ind., and numerous other Republican officials and Tea Party leaders who, in our first Big Lie, refer to the 2010 passage of health-care reform legislation as "a government takeover of health care." The non-partisan PolitiFact.com named this assertion the lie of the year -- an award that will likely have no impact on the issue's framing, since media figures generally fail to challenge the assertion when it's made.

Sometimes Big Lies are personal, targeting a figure whose appearance or background plays to the prejudices of a particular constituency. An attempt to lay just one such Big Lie to rest finds Neil Abercrombie, the newly elected Democratic governor of Hawaii, seeking to release data on the birth of President Barack Obama in his state 49 years ago in an effort to appease birthers -- those who have bought into the lie that Obama was born in Africa, not America, which would make him ineligible for the presidency. Really, Abercrombie needn't bother: the Tea Partiers who doubt the president's birthright will never be satisfied with any level of proof. They're far too invested in the lie.

Perhaps that's why Andrew Breitbart, the right-wing Web site impresario, author of our second Big Lie of the year, thought he could get away with targeting an unknown U.S. Department of Agriculture official, Shirley Sherrod, through the creative editing of a video taken of Sherrod's remarks to a local NAACP gathering.

Brietbart was ripping mad when the NAACP passed a resolution at its national convention that called on Tea Party leaders to repudiate racism within its ranks. The clip was edited to convey the opposite message of Sherrod's remarks, which addressed how she overcame her own prejudice against a white farmer she assisted in the course of her job duties. But before Breitbart's lie was exposed, the Obama administration fired Sherrod (who was later offered another job at USDA). The story immediately became about the video clip as Breitbart presented it, and Sherrod's firing. It wasn’t until the next day that the Lie was exposed.

Breitbart himself demonstrated little chagrin at having posted a distorted view of Sherrod's remarks -- after all, he had achieved much of his desired result: damage to the Obama administration. In rushing to fire Sherrod before an investigation could even begin, the administration signaled that Breitbart's Lie was truth.

In essence, Breitbart's Big Lie was of a particular sort: those designed to prove that one's opponent is guilty of the same sin of which your side stands accused. From the early days of the Tea Party movement in 2009, aided by Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh, there's been a concerted attempt to paint Obama as a racist, a black man with "a deep-seated hatred for white people," in Beck's words. As a representative of the Obama administration and a speaker at an NAACP event, the Sherrod clip, had it not been exposed as a misrepresentation, would have killed two birds with one stone. Yet, even thus exposed, Breitbart remains an influential figure, the incident simply plowed, in an oily heap, to the side of the highway of hatred he travels.

Glenn Beck, of course, is the master of the Big Lie. That each lie Beck tells is more outrageous than the next does nothing to impede his success: in fact, his outrageousness fuels his success. Just last month, marking Big Lie number three for our purposes, Beck falsely accused the liberal financier George Soros of being a Nazi collaborator during World War II, when in fact, the Jewish Soros is a Holocaust survivor. In a three-part series on Soros, Beck framed his attack in language drawn from Hitler's Mein Kampf, calling his series "The Puppet Master," and referring to Soros as a "bloodsucker." While this caused great consternation in the progressive media world, protests in the world of mainstream media were not sustained enough to force Beck from his perch at Fox News, where he serves as community organizer for Rupert Murdoch, CEO of News Corporation, Fox's parent company.

Having made health-care reform his signature issue, Obama was ripe for this kind of attack from the likes of David Koch, the billionaire who founded Americans For Prosperity and FreedomWorks, which have actively promoted the Lie that Obama's insurance-company-friendly reform actually amounts to a government takeover of the health-care system. Like Murdoch, who is also a billionaire, Koch opposes government regulation of any kind -- be it of the health-care industry, the energy industry or the financial sector. Koch also happens to be a top executive at Koch Industries, the company founded by his father, a founder of the John Birch Society, that is rooted in the oil and gas sectors.

George Soros is also a billionaire, but one who favors government regulation, and puts his billions to work in the non-profit sector to fund organizations that support liberal efforts to regulate industry. So Soros became a prime target of the Big Lie.

The Little Big Lie

Perhaps the most pernicious outcome of society's resignation in 2010 to a media landscape blanketed by the Big Big Lie is the proliferation of smaller Big Lies which, taken in the context of enormous Big Lies, come to be seen as not such big deals. Take, for instance, Big Lie number four: the assertion by Rep. Michele Bachmann, R-Minn., founder of the House Tea Party Caucus, that Obama's recent trip to India was costing American taxpayers $200 million per day. Media dutifully quoted Bachmann's lie, some even noting that there was no evidence to support it. The media's interest sustained only as much as a 24-hour news cycle would allow. Just another instance of Bachmann being Bachmann.

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Or take, for instance, the right-wing trope -- Big Lie number four -- that Obama cannot speak without a teleprompter, that he uses the teleprompter far more often than his predecessor, the verbally challenged George W. Bush. It matters not that Obama has proven, at news conference after news conference, that he does quite well answering questions off the cuff, or that his use of the teleprompter is on a par with that of previous presidents. In January 2010, Obama so deftly fielded questions lobbed at him by members of Congress at a Republican retreat that party leaders conceded it had been bad strategy for their side to allow the exchange to be televised. Yet Tea Partiers remain convinced that the black president is too stupid to speak without a machine scrolling text presumably written by white staffers.

And, coming in just under the wire for 2010 after having been an ongoing 2009 theme, thanks to Sarah Palin, is Big Lie number six: the notion that voluntary counseling for end-of-life care that is reimbursed by Medicare amounts to a government "death panel" designed to "pull the plug on Grandma."

The Media's Role

No Big Lie strategy can work without the dissemination of the Lie by mainstream media and in this regard, the media have been exemplary -- not in a wittingly conspiratorial way, but in a, gee-these-sensational-claims-will-really-boost-our-ratings kind of a way. After all, they too have corporate masters to serve.

The success of the whole Big Lie scheme, it seems, works here on something of a paradox. The rise of right-wing media, which is always the amplifier -- if not the creator -- of such claims, came to pass because of the distrust of mainstream media by a sizable chunk of the American public. However much that distrust existed throughout the history of the republic, it really picked up steam once network news was removed from its role, in the 1970s and '80s, as a public service provided by media entities that use public resources -- the airwaves -- as the vehicle for reaping profits, and news programs were made into profit centers by the corporations that owned the networks.

For their part, conservative personalities played on the jingoism of their adherents, especially during the Vietnam War, to claim that the media were hopelessly liberal in their bias, since they were reporting news that turned the American people against the war -- news, incidentally, that often exposed government lies about body counts and the ostensible success of the war. Daniel Ellsberg's historic leak of the Pentagon Papers to the New York Times brought such falsehoods into brutal relief, much as WikiLeaks did earlier this year with its release of communications and classified video from the war in Afghanistan.

Since the end of the Vietnam War, mainstream news producers and editors have been on the defensive, always needing to prove they're not biased toward liberals. This leads many mainstream outlets to pick up and amplify the themes advanced in right-wing media, while giving little play to those advanced in progressive media. Aiding this process is the fact that the messaging shops of the Right are more adept at framing issues in pithy and emotional ways.

Take the term "death panels." I'll bet you're thinking, what's that doing in a 2010 year-end piece? That's so 2009. Think again. Just this week, the term resurfaced with a vengeance when the New York Times reported that the Obama administration, having failed to win inclusion of coverage for end-of-life counseling in the health-care reform legislation that passed in March (largely thanks to the Right's death-panel framing), is changing Medicare regulations so that doctors will be reimbursed for offering the counseling.

In a segment of "Anderson Cooper 360" that aired on CNN this week, the introductory piece leading into a discussion of the new rules included, in the course of less than four minutes, nine mentions of the phrase "death panel" by the guest host and in clips of politicians discussing the subject (h/t, AlterNet SpeakEasy blogger Linda Milazzo). The graphic for the story read: "'Death Panel' Resurrection."

Congratulations, CNN. You are an accessory to the Big Lie.

Note that CNN is owned by AOL/Time Warner.

And take the postscript to the Breitbart/Sherrod episode. Was Andrew Breitbart hounded out of the polite company of mainstream media? Hardly. He was hired by ABC News to provide commentary on the midterm elections -- a deal that was canceled only after public outcry from media watchdogs.

Note that ABC News is owned by the Disney Corporation.

Newspapers are hardly immune to the pressures of the Big Lie, which often turns up in nuanced ways. In the final days of the battle for health-care reform, USA Today ran a front-page story headlined "Health care law too costly, most say."

Pounded by right-wing messengers, the conventional wisdom in Washington was that there was no public support for an optional public health-care plan, despite ample polling showing that indeed a majority of Americans supported a public option.

In fact, the very USA Today/Gallup poll on which that poll was based revealed continued majority support for a public option -- a fact that was mentioned nowhere in the text of the piece, but appeared only in a tiny graphic that ran alongside the text. Without stating the reasons that two-thirds of Americans thought the plan too costly, USA Today reporter Susan Page never articulated the fact that many of those Americans likely thought the law too expensive in light of the fact that it did not offer a publicly financed health-care plan, thus reinforcing the right's Big Lie.

Note that USA Today is owned by the Gannett Co., Inc., which owns 100 media entities, including newspapers and television stations.

All of the corporations mentioned here as parent companies of media outlets are publicly traded -- hence the lack of accountability to anybody other than shareholders. The axiom at local news stations has long been, "If it bleeds, it leads." Murder and mayhem hold the attention of viewers. In the world of mainstream national news, there's a new axiom taking hold: "If it lies, it flies" -- as long as the Lie is sensational enough to keep viewers tuned in. And the Right is genius at turning out just those sorts of lies.

Because the Big Lie relies not on facts for its impact, but the counter-factual, it cannot be refuted by empirical data. If progressives are to thwart the momentum of the Big Lie's suffocating expansion, they must offer a viable counter-narrative -- stories that speak to people's souls, emotions and experiences -- something more than a raft of facts and policy solutions. We know the true story of our people. We must learn how to tell it.

Adele M. Stan is AlterNet's Washington bureau chief.

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#1. To: tom007, 4 (#0)

Adele M. Stan is AlterNet's Washington bureau chief.

What a maroon.

Somewhere in Kenya, a village is missing its idiot.

Lod  posted on  2011-01-01   9:25:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: tom007 (#0)

The Big Lie theory goes like this: A gigantic, audacious lie is more likely to be believed by the masses than a small one if it is repeated often enough. First articulated in the pages of Mein Kampf by Adolf Hitler (who attributed the practice, of course, to Jews) a

And the dastardly bogey men, Limpberg,Beck, etc etc are OWNED, OPERATED, WORK FOR AND PAID BY WHOM?????

Cynicom  posted on  2011-01-01   9:27:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Cynicom (#2)

And the dastardly bogey men, Limpberg,Beck, etc etc are OWNED, OPERATED, WORK FOR AND PAID BY WHOM?????

Why, the eeevil Muzzies & Chinks who hate us fer our freeedumbs, of course.

First articulated in the pages of Mein Kampf by Adolf Hitler (who attributed the practice, of course, to Jews)

If the shoe fits...

Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)

Esso  posted on  2011-01-01   9:34:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Esso (#3)

& Chinks who hate us fer our freeedumbs, of course.

GWB classic.

"Satan / Cheney in "08" Just Foreign Policy Iraqi Death Estimator

tom007  posted on  2011-01-01   9:40:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: tom007, EssoRupert Murdoch (#4)

Rupert Murdoch owns 150 newspapers world wide.

During Obamas run for president, all 150 editorially supported Obama.

It amazes me that some people here listen to and consider poop Put out by Limbaugh, Beck, Jones and on and on. THEY ARE SELLING SOMETHING, THEY GET PAID TO DO IT.

Cynicom  posted on  2011-01-01   9:47:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Cynicom, tom007, Esso (#5)

Soros was a Nazi collaborator. When he was 14, he helped Nazis shake down wealthy Jews for art works, jewels, cash and other valuables. Note the evidence used by the author was that Soros was Jewish and could not have not done such despicable things.

The Truth of 911 Shall Set You Free From The Lie

Horse  posted on  2011-01-01   11:31:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: tom007 (#0)

Where Obama care is concerned the biggest lie to me was "We need to pass the law to find out what's in it." For that alone, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid should have been impeached.

It is better to be hated for what you are, than loved for what you are not. - Tommy The Mad Artist.

TommyTheMadArtist  posted on  2011-01-01   13:49:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: tom007, Cynicom, TwentyTwelve, CadetD, farmfriend, christine, wudidiz, Jethro Tull, randge, Kamala, all (#0)

It is interesting in that the Big Left's Big Lie's are largely themselves L-I-E-S.

1. The assertion: "...in our first Big Lie, refer to the 2010 passage of health-care reform legislation as 'a government takeover of health care.'".

If Obamacare is not a government takeover of healthcare what is it? It is a collection of mandates and intrusive government policy which seek to dictate what choices people are required to make as regards healthcare choices. It is a dictatorial regime set up to benefit primarily the supporters (controllers) of Oh'bummer. Calling it a government takeover could be called a lie only in that it is an understatement. It is in reality a Corporate Takeover using government to force healthcare consumers to buy a specific type and brand of hellthcare. It is like the old joke in the Soviet Union: "Under Capitalism man exploits man and under Communism it is vice versa."

2. The assertion: "Sometimes Big Lies are personal, targeting a figure whose appearance or background plays to the prejudices of a particular constituency. An attempt to lay just one such Big Lie to rest finds Neil Abercrombie, the newly elected Democratic governor of Hawaii, seeking to release data on the birth of President Barack Obama in his state 49 years ago in an effort to appease birthers -- those who have bought into the lie that Obama was born in Africa, not America, which would make him ineligible for the presidency. Really, Abercrombie needn't bother: the Tea Partiers who doubt the president's birthright will never be satisfied with any level of proof. They're far too invested in the lie."

And yet we are left with "Where's The Birth Certificate?". Where are the College Admissions and Financial Aid records? To date Obama and his surrogates have spent approximately 2 MILLION dollars to keep them hidden and suppressed. Is it any wonder people ask questions? An innocent man on the up and up does not spend 2 MILLION dollars to suppress the records that prove his innocence. It may be cliche, "but where there is smoke there is fire". The hard left again proves that "denial" is not just a river in Egypt.

3. The Assertion: Too convoluted to list as one or two lines but basically that the right is identified solely by controlled media mouthpieces such as Glenn Dreck and "Pills" Limbaugh and they are all eager to pull Oh'bummer down and expose his hatred of White People.

First while I identify most strongly with those items generally identified with "THE RIGHT" - such as those trivial little things like individual liberty, "The Bill of Rights" etc., ... All those things the LEFT finds awkward in imposing their idea of the utopian Nanny State smothering us to death and slavery with their "love", I do not hang on every utterance of the controlled opposition such as Dreck and "Pills". And neither do most of the people on "THE RIGHT" who have woken up to the false shell game of playing "THE LEFT" and against "THE RIGHT" while all the while they are both headed for the same goal post i.e., a totalitarian state where individual liberty is no longer even given lip service.

4. The assertion: "Perhaps the most pernicious outcome of society's resignation in 2010 to a media landscape blanketed by the Big Big Lie is the proliferation of smaller Big Lies which, taken in the context of enormous Big Lies, come to be seen as not such big deals. Take, for instance, Big Lie number four: the assertion by Rep. Michele Bachmann, R-Minn., founder of the House Tea Party Caucus, that Obama's recent trip to India was costing American taxpayers $200 million per day. Media dutifully quoted Bachmann's lie, some even noting that there was no evidence to support it. The media's interest sustained only as much as a 24-hour news cycle would allow. Just another instance of Bachmann being Bachmann. "

The writer of this little ditty of course evades and tries to obscure the fact that whatever the daily cost the trip to India was fiendishly expensive and marked by obscene excess. Neither does the author give the "correct" number for the actual daily cost of that Imperial Visit. It stops short at just asserting, without proof, that the 200 million number was wrong. So, what was the real number? A mere 150 million per day?

5. The assertion: "Or take, for instance, the right-wing trope -- Big Lie number four -- that Obama cannot speak without a teleprompter, that he uses the teleprompter far more often than his predecessor, the verbally challenged George W. Bush. It matters not that Obama has proven, at news conference after news conference, that he does quite well answering questions off the cuff, or that his use of the teleprompter is on a par with that of previous presidents...."

His answers are rambling and generally non-responsive to the questions asked (except the apparently planted ones he was prepped for) - like his 5 minute rambling speech to a one line question earlier this year. On the few occasions where his teleprompter went out he sounded no better than "Bush The Lesser" a.k.a. the Village Idiot from Kennebunkport Texas. Again the writer makes an assertion without bothering to mouth anything more than platitudes and unsupported assertions.

6. The assertion: "And, coming in just under the wire for 2010 after having been an ongoing 2009 theme, thanks to Sarah Palin, is Big Lie number six: the notion that voluntary counseling for end-of-life care that is reimbursed by Medicare amounts to a government "death panel" designed to 'pull the plug on Grandma'."

Completely evading through misdirection that the "Care Panels" made up of unelected bureaucrats and hellthcare industry insiders will be deciding whether or not someone gets care of some kind when they are either very young or no longer useful as slaves. Right out of the Eugenics/Animal Farm Playbook.


"Pounded by right-wing messengers, the conventional wisdom in Washington was that there was no public support for an optional public health-care plan, despite ample polling showing that indeed a majority of Americans supported a public option. "

And of course what totally eludes this writer is that one of things the Constitution was written to help prevent was the tyranny of the majority over the minority opposed. If she wants group healthcare paid from someone else's pocket may I suggest China as a good place for her? The core issue is not just that state controlled hellthcare limits peoples options for care, but that established special interests love it because they can use their clout to fashion it to their benefit not that of the patient. It is a great way to kill alternative healing by making it relatively expensive, and also is the reality that most people will always support a benefit they perceive as free or of little cost mostly borne by someone else. Government Hellthcare is nothing more or less than another form of government control. Piss off the wrong bureaucrat and you will get no care, and even if you don't it will be restricted to only what is government approved i.e., special interest approved.

"Because the Big Lie relies not on facts for its impact, but the counter-factual, it cannot be refuted by empirical data. If progressives are to thwart the momentum of the Big Lie's suffocating expansion, they must offer a viable counter-narrative -- stories that speak to people's souls, emotions and experiences -- something more than a raft of facts and policy solutions. We know the true story of our people. We must learn how to tell it."

In other words the authoress's recommendation to counter "the big lie" is MORE lies and less reliance on fact and reason. Not that it has ever been the province of the left to rely upon the truth when a lie will suffice and more importantly pull on people's emotions to do things that are ultimately ill advised.

"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-01-01   15:48:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: tom007 (#0) (Edited)

From Adele Stan's personal blog:


Your blogstress


Who is Addie Stan?



Adele M. Stan is a journalist and editor whose work has appeared in The New Republic, the Village Voice, The Nation, The Advocate, Salon.com, the Washington Blade and Mother Jones magazine, as well as on the op-ed pages of the New York Times, the Los Angeles Times, the San Francisco Chronicle and the New York Daily News. She began her media career at Ms. magazine, where she served both on staff and as a contributing editor.

Along the way, Stan developed expertise in covering the intersection of religion and politics, in addition to lifelong specialties in women's issues and pop culture. Her Mother Jones cover story on the religious right is considered by many to be a definitive primer on the movement; a special 10,000-copy reprint sold out its print run.

Those who gradutated college with women's studies majors are familiar with Stan's book, Debating Sexual Correctness, in which the author details the porn wars, date rape controversy and theory on sexual harassment that helped define the modern feminist movement.

Adele M. Stan has also served as a contributing writer to Mother Jones, and Washington correspondent for Working Woman.

Outside of the office, Stan indulges an array of interests, with music taking center stage. She is in the midst of planning a second career as a lounge-singing ukulele-player.

Addie in action...

Translation: She's a Lesbian, Feminazi Misandrist, and I am willing to bet a secular Jew (but I haven't found confirmation of that one way or the other yet).

(Edit: Did some more research on her. It appears she's Catholic, but is a pro-abortion, Lesbian anti-male dissenter.)

"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-01-01   16:03:17 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Original_Intent (#9)

Along the way, Stan developed expertise

When a Jew is dressed for public view with "expertise" and or "brilliant", I stop reading.

Having known a lot of Jews, I never met one.

Cynicom  posted on  2011-01-01   16:11:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Cynicom (#10) (Edited)

I was able to confirm that she is, as I surmised, a Lesbian. She writes a lot about religion and the general drift is that she detests most people of religious faith who are not feminazi pro-abortionists.

She's from New Jersey and grew up in a sheltered all white neighborhood. I can't confirm whether she is of Jewish or Catholic upbringing, but it is one or the other. She has written a fair number of Catholic hostile articles so it may mean she is an apostate Catholic or Jewish. Her article archives is heavy on Catholicism and none about Judaism. So, no firm conclusion there. It gets back to the apostate or Catholic hating Jew. In one article where she talks about no longer celebrating Christmas one is left with impression the rest of her family does - which seems to point toward a Catholic background, although she says elsewhere that most of her "best friends" are Jewish.

(Edit: On further research it appears that she is "Catholic". Sort of anyway - as she is a pro-death feminazi.)

"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-01-01   17:04:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Original_Intent (#11)

Sort of anyway - as she is a pro-death feminazi.)

For the sake of brevity, I will list her under...SICK...

Cynicom  posted on  2011-01-01   17:36:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Cynicom (#12)

For the sake of brevity, I will list her under...SICK...

MUHAHAHAHAHA! I can't think of a better category.

Phant2000  posted on  2011-01-01   17:44:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Original_Intent (#9)

she's Catholic, but is a pro-abortion, Lesbian anti-male dissenter.

I love it when you talk oxymoronically.

Turning and turning in the widening gyre The falcon cannot hear the falconer; Things fall apart; the center cannot hold; Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world, The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity. .... Yeats

iconoclast  posted on  2011-01-01   18:16:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Lod, tom007, 4 (#1)

I don't have a clear recollection of tommy.

Is he 4um's master of sarcasm or are we broadening out perspective today?

Turning and turning in the widening gyre The falcon cannot hear the falconer; Things fall apart; the center cannot hold; Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world, The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity. .... Yeats

iconoclast  posted on  2011-01-01   18:28:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Cynicom (#10) (Edited)

I must introduce you to my urologist!

Turning and turning in the widening gyre The falcon cannot hear the falconer; Things fall apart; the center cannot hold; Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world, The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity. .... Yeats

iconoclast  posted on  2011-01-01   18:32:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: iconoclast, tom007 (#15)

He is our centrist Catholic. He leans conservative on some issues and liberal on others. He was an Obama supporter but has repented from his apostasy.

"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-01-01   18:50:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Original_Intent (#9)

It appears she's Catholic, but is a pro-abortion, Lesbian anti-male dissenter.

(shaking head) They're the worst. ;)


No Planes. Think about it. ................. Guaranteed Penetration (no it's not porn)

wudidiz  posted on  2011-01-01   18:57:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Original_Intent (#17)

He was an Obama supporter but has repented from his apostasy.

Your memory is selective.

I told y'all repeatedly my reason for supporting Obummer and (hee hee) sho nuff Bush-Cheneyism appears to be on the decline.

Turning and turning in the widening gyre The falcon cannot hear the falconer; Things fall apart; the center cannot hold; Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world, The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity. .... Yeats

iconoclast  posted on  2011-01-01   19:47:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: iconoclast, tom007 (#19)

I was talking about Tom - it appears you two have much in common. ;-)

"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-01-01   23:39:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Original_Intent (#20)

I was talking about Tom - it appears you two have much in common. ;-)

I said I didn't remember much about him. ;-) Are there really four of 'em?

Turning and turning in the widening gyre The falcon cannot hear the falconer; Things fall apart; the center cannot hold; Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world, The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity. .... Yeats

iconoclast  posted on  2011-01-03   7:44:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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