Title: If Atheists Ruled the World Source:
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All text taken directly from online Christian fundamentalist forums.
I disagree. I think it's very telling, and typical. One does not need to cherry-pick xtian posts to find idiocy. And the idiocy on this video is typical of xtians.
Perhaps you know why you haven't dissolved yet from all of that DNA in your body? It's an ACID! And acids dissolve flesh! It has to be true because a xtian said it was so!
Unless, of course, you consider yourself to be one of those "true christians". Never mind the fact that the other idiots consider themselves to be "true christians" also. You might think you're smarter than they are, but they think that they are pretty smart too.
Hell, I thought I was a "true christian" too.
Therefore I was also an idiot. Although some will question the "was" part of it. Not that that bothers me.
Perhaps it is the zealotry that is the main point of contention. Have you noted that your own anti-Christian zealotry is in direct proportion to the zealotry you claim to despise in the Fundies?
lol....it's a simple observation, not a strawman, and suggested only to help you see where you and your "nemisis" are alike. : )
Uh huh.
OK, for the sake of argument, let's say that you're telling the truth.
You're a woman, right?
Suppose you're at a bar. I see you and say to myself "Damn that is one smokin' hot lady. I think I'll go talk to her".
So I say "You will either love me, and obey me, or I will douse you in gasoline and set you on fire!" You know, like how the kike "god" demands, except that teh kike "god" will burn people forever. I'm more merciful than the kike "god".
How far would that line get me with you?
We're not "alike".
I think it's only natural for people to attack what they see as huge problems in society, because they are so fucking destructive. Some see the problem as some nameless NWO, I see it as going deeper than that. The same people that claim to be fighting the NWO are supporting it anyway, by their allegiance to a kike tribal "god" fraud.
The more that see through that fraud, the sooner teh NWO dies.
I think it's only natural for people to attack what they see as huge problems in society, because they are so fucking destructive.
How will you change what you detest by acting in the same manner ways you claim to despise? What is destructive is the Fundie approach.....yours is equally destructive and, therefore, will only perpetuate the destruction rather than alleviate any of it.
Your appoach will not help others "see through that fraud" and that's my point. No, we are not "alike" nor do I think you should be like me. Maybe a better question would be: Do you really want to help others see through the "fraud" or is your intent simply to create strife/annimosity? If the former is what you want, change your approach. If the latter is your intent, admit it and accept that you are like the Fundies you claim to despise. : )
The fundie game is so insidious because actively opposing it makes you as they are. That's one of the lessons of Christ: opposing evil on the worldly plane makes one evil.
Note that I didn't say it's one of the lessons of Christianity. ; )
The fundie game is so insidious because actively opposing it makes you as they are. That's one of the lessons of Christ: opposing evil on the worldly plane makes one evil.
Note that I didn't say it's one of the lessons of Christianity. ; )
The contrary of course is:
"The only thing necessary for the triumph [of evil] is for good men to do nothing." ~ Edmund Burke
What lies behind us and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us. ~ Ralph Waldo Emerson
Creation of a good and decent world requires only that each of us as individuals behave in a good and decent manner. There are times when evil requires direct opposition to protect others but by and large we create the world in which we live - each of us by our own actions.
Religion, regardless of the excesses of some, has ever been a motivating force toward good. Religion is the advance guard as it seeks to understand and explain the most fundamental questions central to existence.
Who am I?
What am I?
What is the meaning of life?
Is there a God? If so what is man's relationship to God?
All of these are basic and fundamental to understanding our existence and creating a world in which we wish to live. There are other questions that spin off of these but those are the basis upon which religious thought, and philosophy, is formed. Each religion has its own answers to these questions, and they may be right or wrong, but they are never irrelevant.
"The only thing necessary for the triumph [of evil] is for good men to do nothing."
Resolving to live a life of good and then doing it is doing something. Many people never even get to the resolving part, hence they do nothing.
I see religion as a very large, very tall tree with many branches. Sometimes, the tree obscures the sunlight and sometimes it doesn't. It all depends on where one is standing in relation to the tree.
"The only thing necessary for the triumph [of evil] is for good men to do nothing."
I would say that no man has conquered any evil in this world without first conquering himself. That something right there is a quite a feat to accomplish.
Let's be honest, few people are aware enough to be effective at all in regards to attempts to triumph over evil.......and those who lack the necessary awareness to be effective end up making it worse.
Let's be honest, few people are aware enough to be effective at all in regards to attempts to triumph over evil.......and those who lack the necessary awareness to be effective end up making it worse.
Define "evil".
You can't triumph over it if you can't define it.
I'd be happy to just be left alone, with no authoritarian pricks demanding anything of me, while I demand nothing of anyone else. To me that's good, and evil disappears without having to "triumph" over it.
It is all base thought and action that is not in alignment with our true nature. Hence, one must first conquer the self--our own base thought and action--in order to triumph over it. The root word for evil means transgression.
Viewed solely as a concept within duality, evil is the opposite of good. Anton LaVay, founder of the church of Satanism was fond of saying tht evil is LIVE spelled backwards. Of course, LaVay was fond of embracing what is generally deemed base--chasing after pleasures and personal satisfaction.
There is an interesting story from the Buddha where he meets Maya (who rules the underworld and represents evil) and he welcomes him as an old friend. The two discuss how difficult each of their roles are in this world, revealing that when one conquers the self there really is no more duality or evil or fear overcome.
It is all base thought and action that is not in alignment with our true nature.
That is precisely what xtianity attempts to force onto others. They call our true nature "sinful". Then, they wonder why they constantly seek "forgiveness" for their "sins", yet they still commit those "sins" because it is in their nature to do so, which makes them think they are failures, which leads to more "repentance" blah blah blah rinse and repeat until the end of time.
How can you "triumph" over your true nature? Can a leopard change its spots?
IMO it's a maturing process. But some hang on desperately to what they thought they understood in the past, but they don't advance because they don't question. It's as if they refuse to admit that they wasted all that time on errors, because to do so is just too painful.
LaVey, from what I read, was a scumbag to people that he should have loved, and a conman to everyone else. I don't take anything he says seriously.
C'mon now, you can't control large masses of people by telling them they're basically ok and it's all gonna be alright as long as no one freaks out.
PSUSA is capable of pointing this out himself, but if I may butt in here!
The problem IS a small group of elites trying to CONTROL large masses of people. That's what Churchianity IS all about. That is the crux of the matter.
The masses would prefer to get on with their lives, without being called sinners or being told they are evil.
Without religion, the universe would still unfold as it should, perhaps for the better. Man might even discover his inate spirituality, without the interference and control of the church. Perhaps that is what they are afraid of.
Without religion, the universe would still unfold as it should, perhaps for the better. Man might even discover his inate spirituality, without the interference and control of the church. Perhaps that is what they are afraid of.
I think you're onto something... ;)
IMO they are not just afraid of that. They are scared to death of that. Once people realize it, the "churches" power is gone.
I've noticed that when anyone questions the truth of ideas, religion, god, and church are considered legitimate topics for debate and scrutiny. But if anyone questions the truthfulness of the bible, most people here go silent.
In other words, most people assume the bible to be the truth, and it is not legitimate to scrutinize it for truthfulness.
The people that go to bible study don't study the bible with a skeptical eye; they scrutinize it for what they believe are cryptic rules-of-thumb to live by. The underlying assumption they always hold is that the bible is the truth, and that they simply don't understand it and need to study it more to find the truth.
It's like cockroaches in a bottle, huddling around an old piece of meat, trying to find a way to survive using the meat and each other. Ecumenicalism is achievable, even between cockroaches, if they have a piece of meat to sustain them.
I've noticed that when anyone questions the truth of ideas, religion, god, and church are considered legitimate topics for debate and scrutiny.
Among some, yes. With one exception, one that calls those that disagree with him "feds", the people on this thread are capable of honest debate. But I've found that this capacity to debate and question to be the exception and not the rule among xtians. They generally limit themselves into out-doing each other by seeing who can scream "the bible is TRUE! You're of the devil!" the loudest.
Now, I might be "of the Devil" ;), but that doesn't make the bible true.
he underlying assumption they always hold is that the bible is the truth, and that they simply don't understand it and need to study it more to find the truth.
IMO that studying can cut both ways. On one hand it can reinforce the programming, especially when a "teacher" is guiding them. OTOH it can cause one to question everything in the bible, due to what is already in the bible but is ignored by their teachers.