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Title: The reflexive call for fewer liberties
Source: Salon
URL Source: [None]
Published: Jan 14, 2011
Author: Glenn Greenwald
Post Date: 2011-01-14 10:45:46 by ghostdogtxn
Keywords: None
Views: 105
Comments: 7

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#1. To: ghostdogtxn (#0)

100 years ago, this kind of shit would never have happened, and if it did, the perp would be dead in the street.

The reason? Everyone was armed. EVERYONE WAS ARMED. I'm not sure when it was that the law decided people on the streets couldn't be armed, or have open carry, but that day was a dark day indeed for America.

It has cost a lot of people, a lot of lives, and betrayed countless generations of victims of gun violence.

When everyone is armed, nobody is interested in actually shooting each other. When one side is armed, that's when the trouble starts.

It is better to be hated for what you are, than loved for what you are not. - Tommy The Mad Artist. I went to Chernobyl, and all I got was this glow in the dark T-shirt. - Tommy The Mad Artist.

TommyTheMadArtist  posted on  2011-01-14   11:34:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

When everyone is armed, nobody is interested in actually shooting each other. When one side is armed, that's when the trouble starts.

bump that

christine  posted on  2011-01-14   11:37:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2011-01-14   11:46:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2011-01-14   11:46:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

And "second, the law should no longer require, as a condition of involuntary incarceration, that seriously disturbed individuals constitute a danger to themselves or others"; instead, involuntary commitment should be imposed whenever there is "delusional loss of contact with reality."

And the criteria for determining that vague point is?

What that would mean as a standard would be that if someone held a viewpoint that some government functionary called "delusional" because it disagreed with the official reality that any person holding such a "delusional" viewpoint would be subject to incarceration and "treatment" involuntarily.

Welcome to the Soviet Union.

The power to judge for another whether their viewpoint is, or is not, founded upon a rational analysis of available information is the ability to arbitrarily rule that official reality is the only reality, and facts be damned.

Under that type of standard someone in 1964 who though JFK was assassinated by more than just the "lone nut" patsy Lee Harvey Oswald, or disagreed with Arlen Sphincter's "Magic Bullet" could be locked up for being "delusional", and I am sure most everyone here can think of instances where the official reality, a lie, disagreed with the available facts. However, facts notwithstanding, under this type of standard the mere fact of disagreeing with the official reality could get you locked up for thinking outside the approved box.

"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-01-14   14:23:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

100 years ago, this kind of shit would never have happened, and if it did, the perp would be dead in the street.

The kid got three of the perps, the congressjew, her aide and the crooked judge, what more do you want?

Esso  posted on  2011-01-14   14:56:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The kid got three of the perps, the congressjew, her aide and the crooked judge, what more do you want?

If he'd stopped at just those 3, he might not have been looked at like a crazy lunatic.

It is better to be hated for what you are, than loved for what you are not. - Tommy The Mad Artist. I went to Chernobyl, and all I got was this glow in the dark T-shirt. - Tommy The Mad Artist.

TommyTheMadArtist  posted on  2011-01-14   15:50:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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