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Title: Panel to Recommend Allowing Women in Combat
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Stars & Stripes
URL Source: http://www.military.com/news/articl ... -combat-.html?ESRC=airforce.nl
Published: Jan 14, 2011
Author: Leo Shane III
Post Date: 2011-01-19 09:48:53 by Phant2000
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Views: 551
Comments: 48
WASHINGTON -- A military advisory panel appears poised to recommend allowing female troops to serve in combat units without any restrictions, calling the current prohibition an out-of-date idea that unnecessarily discriminates against women. If approved by military officials, the move could open front-line posts to military women for the first time. Until now, either U.S. law or Pentagon policy has prohibited female troops from serving in any unit whose primary mission is direct ground combat, although they may serve in combat support roles. The Military Leadership Diversity Commission, established by Congress two years ago, issued the recommendation as part of a draft report on diversity in the services. The final report is due to lawmakers this spring, and commission members are meeting this week in Virginia to debate final changes. Read more about the issue in Line of Departure. In the draft, commission members call for a phased approach to open additional career fields with ground combat units to qualified women, saying the current policy limits the ability of commanders to pick the most capable person for their missions. “To date, there has been little evidence that the integration of women into previously closed units or occupations has had a negative impact on important mission-related performance factors, like unit cohesion,” the draft states. “Furthermore, a study by the Defense Department Advisory Committee on Women in the Services actually found that a majority of focus group participants felt that women serving in combat in Iraq and Afghanistan have had a positive impact on mission accomplishment.” The draft report notes that the restriction on combat posts prohibits women from serving in about 10 percent of Army and Marine Corps occupations, a “structural barrier” that could hurt their chances of promotion or advancement. Proponents of women in combat roles have argued that the distinction is obsolete in the new combat environments of Iraq and Afghanistan, where support units have routinely found themselves involved in roadside bomb attacks and insurgent ambushes. Since 2001, 114 female U.S. servicemembers have been killed in fighting in Iraq and 23 have been killed in fighting in Afghanistan. But Elaine Donnelly, president of the conservative Center for Military Readiness, said the commission’s recommendation confuses troops in harm’s way with those assigned to front-line, offensive combat missions. Performing heroically in an ambush is not the same as grueling front-line combat. “Physical differences between men and women do matter,” she said. “If the purpose of the change is to help with career advancement and diversity, it’s fine. But if the purpose is to help better defend the country, then it’s divorced from reality.” Donnelly said barring women from some military jobs does not diminish their contributions, but instead recognizes that only a small percentage of female troops can meet the strength and endurance requirements mandated in “brutal and uncivilized” front-line fighting. But Genevieve Chase, founder of American Women Veterans, said the restrictions are largely an issue of semantics now. Commanders have gotten around the rules by “attaching” female troops to combat units when needed, allowing them to work in combat roles without having them assigned to combat units. “But that becomes a records issue, what counts for promotion and experience,” she said. “We’re asking for women to be recognized and acknowledged for that work.” Chase, an Army reservist who served in Afghanistan, said standards for female combat troops need to be the same as those for men, but also noted that brute strength is not the only qualification. Language skills, leadership experience and other combat-related specialties can be just as vital to mission success. The commission, which includes 24 senior retired and active-duty servicemembers, recommended that women already in combat-related roles should be open for assignment to combat units immediately, and the services should look for ways in coming months to open additional combat posts to women. The report also notes that the recommendation was not unanimous, with several members opposed to opening the front-line posts to women. Earlier this month, Army Chief of Staff Gen. George Casey said he expected the commission’s report, along with other ongoing military reviews, would reopen the debate into women’s roles in the military. Removing the combat restrictions would not require approval from Congress, but defense officials are required to notify lawmakers of any such change at least 30 days before it is put in place.
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#8. To: farmfriend (#5)
In the military mindset...MEN ARE INDEED DISPOSABLE... Just once women that crave war should be present when men are told...If you go, you wont be back...
What a joke. Men will end up protecting them and getting themselves killed. And the women won't be able to pull their weight.
"If ever this vast country is brought under a single government, it will be one of the most extensive corruption, indifferent and incapable of a wholesome care over so wide a spread of surface. This will not be borne, and you will have to choose between reform and revolution. If I know the spirit of this country, the one or the other is inevitable." - Thomas Jefferson
G.I. -- Government Issue
"If ever this vast country is brought under a single government, it will be one of the most extensive corruption, indifferent and incapable of a wholesome care over so wide a spread of surface. This will not be borne, and you will have to choose between reform and revolution. If I know the spirit of this country, the one or the other is inevitable." - Thomas Jefferson
They talk the talk but walking the walk is totally a different story No grunt in his right mind wants to depend on a woman, in a life or death struggle.
G.I. -- Government Issue I went thru that one time,"if the bell rings, your chances of coming back are slim to none". No false bravado, no BS, deal with it.
I have never known of a female, in or out of the service, that I would care to have with me while risking my life. Leave them home.
Hey, that is fine. Let them degrade the military. Let's also put women on front line drug interdiction and ATF door busting teams. The weaker the better.
I pity the fool who tries to mess with you or Jethro when I'm around.....Sig and I will take no prisoners. : )
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
How many more insane policies can those dunces implement?
Somewhere in Kenya, a village is missing its idiot.
LOL !! Have I mentioned exceptions to every rule, ab?
It will be me carrying you if you are wounded...not you carrying my 175 pounds.
"If ever this vast country is brought under a single government, it will be one of the most extensive corruption, indifferent and incapable of a wholesome care over so wide a spread of surface. This will not be borne, and you will have to choose between reform and revolution. If I know the spirit of this country, the one or the other is inevitable." - Thomas Jefferson
All male troops home now.
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Reports of more insane policies will be filtering through daily......we have traitors and morons guiding our ship of state to predictable disaster.
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
Currently when an aircraft carrier sails on six month deployment, the ships crew is about ten per cent female, or in excess of 500 women. During that six months, over ten per cent will become pregnant, or roughly 50 ladies, married and unmarried. They do not often print those statistics. So they are flown home, and some grunt is elected to finish the ladies tour.
It's worse than that. Women get pregnant to avoid being shipped out, then abort the fetus after they're safe. Most of the women in the military and dykes and sluts. And yet still men will end up protecting and carrying themm because they can't carry their own weight.
"If ever this vast country is brought under a single government, it will be one of the most extensive corruption, indifferent and incapable of a wholesome care over so wide a spread of surface. This will not be borne, and you will have to choose between reform and revolution. If I know the spirit of this country, the one or the other is inevitable." - Thomas Jefferson
I said I would shoot to kill for Jethro and Cyni.....not Turtle! : ) I will use the shell of the Turtle to fashion a sled to pull out both Cyni and Jethro from the battlefield. Then, I will put in a good word for Turtle to get some posthumous award for sled provisions. It's the least I could do.
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
hehehehehe
If I were deployed with you, Cyni, I would keep an aspirin between my knees the entire time, ensuring no pregnancy during our deployment. : )
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
That can be fixed by loading the boat up with Catholics who practice the rhythm method.
You should look up the rape statistics in the military.
"If ever this vast country is brought under a single government, it will be one of the most extensive corruption, indifferent and incapable of a wholesome care over so wide a spread of surface. This will not be borne, and you will have to choose between reform and revolution. If I know the spirit of this country, the one or the other is inevitable." - Thomas Jefferson
They need bodies. Male or female doesn't matter. Anything to avoid a draft. They don't want that. They know they are walking on thin ice. They have to know it. They're not that stupid. .
Men are not disposable.
#9. To: Phant2000 (#0)
#10. To: Cynicom (#8)
MEN ARE INDEED DISPOSABLE...
#11. To: Jethro Tull (#7)
#12. To: Turtle (#10)
MEN ARE INDEED DISPOSABLE...
#13. To: Jethro Tull (#7)
#14. To: Phant2000 (#0)
#15. To: Cynicom, Jethro Tull (#11)
No grunt in his right mind wants to depend on a woman, in a life or death struggle.
#16. To: abraxas, 4 (#15)
#17. To: abraxas (#15)
I pity the fool who tries to mess with you or Jethro when I'm around.....Sig and I will take no prisoners. : )
#18. To: abraxas, cynicom (#15)
Sig and I will take no prisoners. : )
#19. To: Phant2000 (#0)
#20. To: Lod (#16)
How many more insane policies can those dunces implement?
#21. To: abraxas (#15)
I pity the fool who tries to mess with you or Jethro when I'm around.....Sig and I will take no prisoners. : )
#22. To: Cynicom, abraxas, farmfriend (#21)
During that six months, over ten per cent will become pregnant, or roughly 50 ladies, married and unmarried.
#23. To: Turtle, cynicom, Jethro (#18)
It will be me carrying you if you are wounded...not you carrying my 175 pounds.
#24. To: abraxas (#23)
It's the least I could do.
#25. To: Cynicom (#21)
During that six months, over ten per cent will become pregnant, or roughly 50 ladies, married and unmarried.
#26. To: Cynicom, 4 (#21)
During that six months, over ten per cent will become pregnant, or roughly 50 ladies, married and unmarried.
#27. To: abraxas (#25)
If I were deployed with you, Cyni, I would keep an aspirin between my knees the entire time, ensuring no pregnancy during our deployment. : )
#28. To: Cynicom (#3)
When the draft arrives, American Mothers are going to wonder why their daughters are marched off to war.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files
"If ye will not give glory unto my name saith the LORD ... I will spread dung upon your faces.– Malachi 2.2,3. So you better give the nutty kike god some glory, goddammit!
#29. To: PSUSA (#28)
it's your DOODY!
#30. To: Cynicom (#2)
True. AND ... as long as we continue to put irrational thinking people in high places, the longer we will suffer the results of such irrationality.
Sick people.
#31. To: Jethro Tull (#29)
Where does one find goofballs like this? I can't imagine the sheer humiliation of appearing in something like that. That is something I've always wondered about. That, and the voices for radio commercials. Listening to those makes me want to do illegal and very harmful things to them with a baseball bat. ,
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files
"If ye will not give glory unto my name saith the LORD ... I will spread dung upon your faces.– Malachi 2.2,3. So you better give the nutty kike god some glory, goddammit!
#32. To: abraxas, cynicom (#23)
You'd be lucky to pull a wounded cat from the battlefield. "Hello? Hello? Can some guy help me here? I'm not strong enough to pull this wounded guy even a millimeter."
I will use the shell of the Turtle to fashion a sled to pull out both Cyni and Jethro from the battlefield
"If ever this vast country is brought under a single government, it will be one of the most extensive corruption, indifferent and incapable of a wholesome care over so wide a spread of surface. This will not be borne, and you will have to choose between reform and revolution. If I know the spirit of this country, the one or the other is inevitable." - Thomas Jefferson
#33. To: Jethro Tull (#29)
In this state, males are notified by a poster on the wall at the Bureau of Motor Vehicles that their info is deliverable to the Draft board. If they happen to notice that small-print poster and object they might be denied a driver's license.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#34. To: Jethro Tull (#26)
The last I read on the subject, the Navy was going to install birthing units in the sick bay. Stupid people.
That can be fixed by loading the boat up with Catholics who practice the rhythm method.
#35. To: Turtle (#32)
lol......I'll pull out the wounded in my Turtle Tank after I do a couple of tank burn-outs over your soft and gooey Turtle carcass...... 
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
#36. To: abraxas (#35)
Women shouldn't be allowed to drive cars, much less tanks!
lol......I'll pull out the wounded in my Turtle Tank after I do a couple of tank burn-outs over your soft and gooey Turtle carcass......
"If ever this vast country is brought under a single government, it will be one of the most extensive corruption, indifferent and incapable of a wholesome care over so wide a spread of surface. This will not be borne, and you will have to choose between reform and revolution. If I know the spirit of this country, the one or the other is inevitable." - Thomas Jefferson
#37. To: farmfriend (#1)
Whole heartedly agree it is blatant Misandry. Give the 'goils' their 'Eeekwauliteeeee'. The wimmins say they can do what men can do, but better, I say let them, only then can we possibly get back to a sane culture that recognizes the differences between men and women, and that equality is an illusion. What the wimmins(aka: feminists) really want is special privileges and domination.....as a man I say f*ck that sh*t, no wimmin are gonna run my life.
It discriminates against our men! We should not be treating our men as the disposable gender. If we only sent blacks into combat people would be screaming how we are abusing blacks but because it is men, nothing is said. It is treated like it is a privilege reserved for men and somehow it is unfair to women to keep them out. Think what would be said if we only sent women into combat. I can hear the screams now.
#38. To: Turtle, Cynicom, Jethro Tull, Original Intent. (#36)
hehehehe......your fear of Ab is palpable. Here's what I do with Turtle blood: 
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
#39. To: abraxas (#20)
The ship of State has always proved a disaster, and I for one do not make claim to the ship that has been shoved down our throats.
our ship of state
#40. To: Lysander_Spooner (#39)
Best we can do is have Robert serenade us as she goes down.......
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
#41. To: farmfriend (#1)
Those are good points, and women did fight in frontline combat in the revolution by pretending to be men. If women are allowed into combat they should have to meet the same physical requirements as men. Women would have to work harder to do so, but they could. We should not be treating our men as the disposable gender. If we only sent blacks into combat people would be screaming how we are abusing blacks but because it is men, nothing is said. It is treated like it is a privilege reserved for men and somehow it is unfair to women to keep them out. Think what would be said if we only sent women into combat. I can hear the screams now.
Still, women in general lack strength and the aggressiveness men get from testosterone. Women can certainly aquire those attributes, but not to the degree as men.
Those physically unable could be given other possitions, and those getting pregnant could get a dishonerable discharge (the man too).I remember saying something similar once on FR and basically they accused me of being a lesbian leftie.
#42. To: Armadillo (#41)
I agree.
If women are allowed into combat they should have to meet the same physical requirements as men. Women would have to work harder to do so, but they could. Those physically unable could be given other possitions, and those getting pregnant could get a dishonerable discharge (the man too).
Tough women come from New York, sweet women from Texas, prissy women from Southern California, but we NORTHERN CALIFORNIA WOMEN have fire & ice in our blood. We can ride 4-wheelers, be a princess, throw a left hook, pack heat, hunt with the men, bake a cake, love with passion, and if we have an opinion, you know you're going to hear it!!
#43. To: Armadillo, Farmfriend (#41) (Edited)
That was done away with years ago, they need LESSER requirements than men. That was a result of the military acknowledging that women DO NOT have the upper body strength of men.
If women are allowed into combat they should have to meet the same physical requirements as men.
#44. To: Cynicom, farmfriend (#43)
That is true, but they CAN meet the same standard. They just have to train harder.That was a result of the military acknowledging that women DO NOT have the upper body strength of men.
Women who dont have the drive or ability to train should not be allowed in combat. Those that can "hang with the boys" should be allowed. Women have some advantages in combat. They are better at multitasking and have a higher pain threshold. You dont have to have a dick to kill an enemy.
I think most men, seeing a woman busting ass to train and meet the standards, would respect them. I know I would.
#45. To: Armadillo (#44)
They do not have to meet the same requirements on an obstacle course, because they cannot. Women stay at home.
#46. To: Cynicom, Armadillo (#45)
which is wrong. there should be a standard for the job.
They do not have to meet the same requirements on an obstacle course, because they cannot.
Tough women come from New York, sweet women from Texas, prissy women from Southern California, but we NORTHERN CALIFORNIA WOMEN have fire & ice in our blood. We can ride 4-wheelers, be a princess, throw a left hook, pack heat, hunt with the men, bake a cake, love with passion, and if we have an opinion, you know you're going to hear it!!
#47. To: Cynicom, farmfriend (#45)
LOL. because they cannot.
Do you think these females would have much problem meeting the male standards?
Sure looks like upper body strength to me, and these ladies are mild examples. All it takes is a little more work for women. Google has more, even stronger.
#48. To: Armadillo (#47)
I suspect the military has long been aware of the difference between girls and boys.
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