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Title: Two Suns? Twin Stars Could Be Visible From Earth By 2012
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URL Source: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/ ... -suns-twin-stars_n_811864.html
Published: Jan 21, 2011
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Post Date: 2011-01-21 09:39:34 by Ada
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Earth could be getting a second sun, at least temporarily. Dr. Brad Carter, Senior Lecturer of Physics at the University of Southern Queensland, outlined the scenario to news.com.au. Betelgeuse, one of the night sky's brightest stars, is losing mass, indicating it is collapsing. It could run out of fuel and go super-nova at any time. When that happens, for at least a few weeks, we'd see a second sun, Carter says. There may also be no night during that timeframe. The Star Wars-esque scenario could happen by 2012, Carter says... or it could take longer. The explosion could also cause a neutron star or result in the formation of a black hole 1300 light years from Earth, reports news.com.au. But doomsday sayers should be careful about speculation on this one. If the star does go super-nova, Earth will be showered with harmless particles, according to Carter. "They will flood through the Earth and bizarrely enough, even though the supernova we see visually will light up the night sky, 99 per cent of the energy in the supernova is released in these particles that will come through our bodies and through the Earth with absolutely no harm whatsoever," he told news.com.au. In fact, a neutrino shower could be beneficial to Earth. According to Carter this "star stuff" makes up the universe. "It literally makes things like gold, silver - all the heavy elements - even things like uranium....a star like Betelgeuse is instantly forming for us all sorts of heavy elements and atoms that our own Earth and our own bodies have from long past supernovi," said Carter.
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#1. To: Ada (#0)
How much heat is this going to give the surface of the Earth, and will the Earth cool itself at night during these weeks.
Apparently, we'll all be pooping gold bars and silver ingots in 2012. It would be a shocker for the world to experience it though.
Oh no! Its not the dreaded human eating sun is it?
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡ "The ground of liberty is to be gained by inches, and we must be contented to secure what we can get from time to time and eternally press forward for what is yet to get. It takes time to persuade men to do even what is for their own good." -- Thomas Jefferson
Betelgeuse is going to blow? Could be the long awaited Blue Star Kachina that the Hopi have been looking for to usher in the fifth world.
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
So will that happen before or after the world ends on December 21, 2012 as the Mayans thought it would? It's so easy to get confused about which apocalypse will kill us all first.
Invoking 2012 hysteria? Betelgeuse has been known for a long time to be a supernova candidate. But astronomers and physicists have no way of predicting exactly WHEN it will happen. It may not occur for hundreds or thousands of years yet. Personally, I will be sad after because Betelgeuse will no longer be visible to the naked eye after the supernova explosion has faded, and Orion will lose one of its most defining stars. The article is incorrect in stating Betelgeuse is 1300 light years from Earth. Its distance is between 500 and 800 light years. It also is incorrect in suggesting that a shower of neutrinos would or can create heavy elements like gold or silver. That is a process that occurs very quickly INSIDE the star during the explosion. Normally stars can't fuse elements heavier than iron, but during a supernova explosion pressures are briefly so intense that heavier than iron elements become possible to fuse within the few seconds of the initial explosion. A supernova explosion of Betelgeuse would make it as bright as the full moon, but not like "another sun".
Democrats don't mind war as long as they can have big government. Republicans don't mind big government as long as they can have war. The amount of heat received on Earth from Betelgeuse going supernova will be negligible.
Democrats don't mind war as long as they can have big government. Republicans don't mind big government as long as they can have war. It's all quite fascinating, IMHO. Folks often refer to the Mayans in regards to this prophecy but, in truth, it is also the end of the Cherokee calendar. The Aztez Calendar brings in the Sixth World. The songs of the Hopi are to go silent. The Inca's foretell of the golden age after purification with a remnant of seed people. Pueblo natives say it's the fifth world coming in 2012. Seneca Indians foretell of a 25 year purification prior to 2012 where the earth will purge itself and then we enter the 13 heavens after having been in 9 hells for a very along time. Zulu's believe that Mu-Sho-Sho-No-No will return, a star with a long tail that will purify the earth. The Vedas mark this time as galactic alignment, opening a gateway to end the cycle of reincarnations. The Tamil Calendar ends. The Buddhist Prophecy of Kalachakra is fulfilled. The Hindu prophecy of Kalki and the Critical Mass of Enlightened Ones is set for 2012. I Ching, Chinese Lunar Calandar, completes the 25,836 solar year cycle or complete procession of the equinoxes. According to most prophecies the purification has begun.......... I was thinking about writing an article expanding on some of these various prophecies that are converging in 2012. Do you think folks would be interested?
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
As long as you dont way over my head. I hate it when smarties make me feel dumb.
Heat is governed by the Inverse Cube Law i.e., it decreases with the cube of the distance. Thus the amount of heat reaching us would be unnoticeable at 1300 Light Years.
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha
That is good to know.
At 1300 light years from Earth, it already has to have gone super nova about 1299 years ago for us to see it next year.
God is always good!
The one in DC.
I'd certainly read it. But you should know that it won't go unquestioned. I can muster some pretty good arguments against the 2012 Mayan calendar stuff. It's nowhere near as cut and dried as the True Believers think it is.
Hell, it's old news. Stale, even. LOL.
Interesting "facts" from The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy about Betelgeuse. Betelgeuse is a red giant star approximately the size of Jupiter's orbit, about 600 light-years away which appears to Earthbound observers to be in the constellation of Orion. A song protesting against teleportation claims that "Betelgeuse's pretty girls will knock you off your feet", and that, "they'll do anything you like, real fast and then real slow." Betelgeuse Five is the home planet of Galactic President Zaphod Beeblebrox and his semi-cousin Ford Prefect. Betelgeuse Seven was the birthplace of Ford Prefect's father, who was the only survivor of the Great Collapsing Hrung Disaster of Gal./Sid./Year 03758, which wiped out the old Praxibetel communities on the planet. The whole episode is shrouded in deep mystery: in fact no one ever knew what a Hrung was nor why it had chosen to collapse on Betelgeuse Seven particularly. Some real facts- True, 640 is the more agreed upon distance today. I wouldn't be so certain about that super nova, Dillo. Betelgeuse has gone beyond projected life span for a star that size.......plus, it has lost about 15% of its mass in the past couple of decades, indicating that its losing fuel and getting ready to blow. From ScienceRay: But here are the scientific facts (theories and conjectures based on reason): One day Betelgeuse will appear as a giant explosion in the sky, which may be 4 times the size of a full moon. Most scientists believe the star is far enough away from Earth that the explosion blast and various particle rays emitted will not affect us drastically (if at all). This star is a huge mass of hydrogen gas that is (or did) going through a fusion process that changes the matter into heavier elements. It is one of the largest stars known in the universe to human astronomy. On June 9th, 2009 it was presented to The American Astronomical Society that Betelgeuse was shrinking. Calculations from 1993 to the present show a 15% decrease in the stars diameter. It is a pulsating star, whose brightness changes with the density of its atmosphere: 0.2 – 1.2 brightness magnitude, which makes it one of the 10 brightest stars in our sky. Betelgeuse is surrounded by many layers of dust and gas that it has already blown off through a very strong stellar wind and surround the star in a ring of solar dust. Betelgeuse is projected by science to be only 6 – 10 million years old. Science says the star had a core made of hydrogen and thermonuclear fusion has already run out at its core, thus gravity has contracted the core into a hotter and denser state. This process fuses helium into carbon and oxygen which produce enough radiation to swell out its outer layers of hydrogen and helium. The red star is relatively rich in nitrogen compared to a less evolved star like our Sun (Lambert 1984). In 1995 astronomers found an enormous bright area more than 2,000 °K, hotter than the surrounding surface of the star (Gilliland & Dupree, 1996). Betelgeuse’s diameter is roughly 500 times that of the Sun. If and when it turns into a supernova the threat to Earth would be from the blast waves. Is Betelgeuse one of the “smoking stars” to which Nezahualcoyotl referred in his 15th century Aztec prophecy? It probably will not cause any direct physical destruction, due to the huge distance between Betelgeuse and the Earth. But then again. Read more: http://scienceray.com/astronomy/apocalypse-soon-supernova-betelgeuse- is-coming/#ixzz1BjrnzMXh
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
Also, Betelgeuse could have gone super nova any time in the past 640 years and we wouldn't be seeing it........yet. There are some who speculate it went 430 years ago when the Pope screwed up the calander system and tie it into the Mayan Calandar. : )
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
True the star may not even be there now. I dont really believe the Mayan stuff. The Mayan calendar ends for the same reason the calendar on my wall ends, IMHO. While the Mayans had a good understanding of astronomy, I dont believe they had any insights into the end of the world. Same with the native Americans. I believe what Jesus said, the end will come like a thief in the night.
When that happens, for at least a few weeks, we'd see a second sun, Carter says. There may also be no night during that timeframe.
#2. To: Ada (#0)
In fact, a neutrino shower could be beneficial to Earth. According to Carter this "star stuff" makes up the universe. "It literally makes things like gold, silver - all the heavy elements - even things like uranium....a star like Betelgeuse is instantly forming for us all sorts of heavy elements and atoms that our own Earth and our own bodies have from long past supernovi," said Carter.
#3. To: Ada (#0)
Earth could be getting a second sun, at least temporarily.
#4. To: Ada (#0)
#5. To: Ada (#0)
#6. To: abraxas (#5)
Could be the long awaited Blue Star Kachina that the Hopi have been looking for to usher in the fifth world.
#7. To: Ada (#0)
If you believe in small government, then you shouldn't be in the White House.
#8. To: PaulCJ (#1)
How much heat is this going to give the surface of the Earth, and will the Earth cool itself at night during these weeks.
If you believe in small government, then you shouldn't be in the White House.
#9. To: TooConservative (#6)
So will that happen before or after the world ends on December 21, 2012 as the Mayans thought it would?
#10. To: abraxas (#9)
Do you think folks would be interested?
#11. To: PaulCJ (#1)
#12. To: Original_Intent (#11)
#13. To: Ada (#0)
#14. To: TooConservative (#6)
It's so easy to get confused about which apocalypse will kill us all first.
#15. To: abraxas (#9)
I was thinking about writing an article expanding on some of these various prophecies that are converging in 2012. Do you think folks would be interested?
#16. To: RickyJ (#13)
At 1300 light years from Earth, it already has to have gone super nova about 1299 years ago for us to see it next year.
#17. To: Ada, abraxas, Original_Intent, all (#0)
It's name is pronounced BAY-TEL G-ICE, not beetle-juice.
It is around 640 light years away, not 1300. There is debate about that however.
People have been predicting Betelgeuse demise for some time. No one knows. The chance of Betelgeuse going nova in your lifetime is probably less than my chance of getting laid. In other words, it probably wont happen.
#18. To: Armadillo (#17)
It is around 640 light years away, not 1300. There is debate about that however. People have been predicting Betelgeuse demise for some time. No one knows. The chance of Betelgeuse going nova in your lifetime is probably less than my chance of getting laid. In other words, it probably wont happen.
#19. To: Armadillo (#17)
#20. To: abraxas (#19)
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Before a star goes nova it tries to fuse progressively heavier elements. We dont really know where it is in that process.
Before a supernova can happen, there is silicon fusion with an iron core. The free electrons in the interior are fused with the protons of the iron. The core implodes and the exterior rebounds causing a supernova explosion.
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