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Title: Texas Troopers officially admit wrongdoing after ID complaint
Source: examiner.com
URL Source: http://www.examiner.com/la-county-l ... -wrongdoing-after-id-complaint
Published: Jan 26, 2011
Author: .
Post Date: 2011-01-26 17:12:39 by Artisan
Keywords: None
Views: 351
Comments: 33

http://www.examiner.com/la-county-libertarian-in-los-angeles/texas-troopers-officially-admit-wrongdoing-after-id-complaint

The Texas Department of Public Safety, the agency which employs Texas State Troopers, has responded acknowledging wrongdoing after a California resident filed an official complaint against two of the Department's officers last November 18th.

The complaint involved the officer's claims that they could demand ID from anyone in Texas during traffic stops for any reason, even if the person was not driving. Martin Hill, who is employed part time driving a commercial 18 wheeler across the United States for a large corporation, was off duty in the 'sleeper berth' on November 10th when his partner was stopped at a Texas DOT weight station and given a citation for allegedly having an overweight load.

The DOT inspector then demanded that the driver show her Hill's ID. The partner was thus forced to wake Hill up. Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration Regulations demand that all Commercial truck drivers must take a 10 hour break between shifts, including eight completely uninterupted hours in the sleeper berth. Failure to do this is a violation of federal law, so Hill knew that interrupting his break, as well as the officer's demand for his ID with no reasonable suspicion or probable cause, was illegal.

"These cops threatened to arrest me, take my freedom and lock me in a cage unless I complied with a demand which they had absolutely no right to make. This was the epitome of anti-American, tyrannical, and immoral behavior. When I had initially asked the Trooper why the inspector had woken me up, he sneered "We like to know who we're dealing with". When he later demanded my ID I asked who he was, and he replied "I'm the one with the badge and the gun". After I had initially refused to show him my license, he warned "I don't know how far you want to take this" and threatened to illegally imprison me under color of law. As a result of his actions, he now knows precisely who he's dealing with, doesn't he? And he has only just begin to see 'how far I have taken it'. I do not play games. As I stated in both my Texas and Federal civil rights complaint, the rule of law and constitution will be fully vindicated in this case. These two officers will not do this to me or to anyone, ever again."

The text of Hill's official 2 page complaint, which was filed on November 18th, can be found here. On December 20th, The Texas Department of Public Safety sent a response in which they admitted 'corrective action was needed' and 'additional training' given to officers. A pdf copy of their letter to Hill can be found here. [article continues here


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#1. To: Artisan (#0)

When he later demanded my ID I asked who he was, and he replied "I'm the one with the badge and the gun". After I had initially refused to show him my license, he warned "I don't know how far you want to take this" and threatened to illegally imprison me under color of law.

DPS troopers aren't very nice, or smart, but they do wash their cars frequently.

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X-15  posted on  2011-01-26   17:22:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Artisan (#0)

Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration Regulations demand that all Commercial truck drivers must take a 10 hour break between shifts, including eight completely uninterupted hours in the sleeper berth. Failure to do this is a violation of federal law, so Hill knew that interrupting his break, as well as the officer's demand for his ID with no reasonable suspicion or probable cause, was illegal.

Goes without saying! The boneheads!

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2011-01-26   17:28:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Artisan (#0)

Well played.

Better than shooting the arrogant fascist fucking prick 'with the badge and a gun'..I suppose.


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2011-01-26   17:29:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: X-15 (#1)

"I'm the one with the badge and the gun".

BAAANGGG oops, I'm the one that didn't bring a badge !

Resolve to serve no more, and you are at once freed. I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break into pieces. Etienne de la Boetie

noone222  posted on  2011-01-26   17:34:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Artisan (#0)

Very well done, my friend.

Thanks for bringing a couple of our meat-heads correct.

Somewhere in Kenya, a village is missing its idiot.

Lod  posted on  2011-01-26   17:34:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Artisan (#0)

Question - is there anything in fed regs about carrying while on the road?

Thanks.

Somewhere in Kenya, a village is missing its idiot.

Lod  posted on  2011-01-26   17:37:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: X-15 (#1) (Edited)

DPS troopers aren't very nice, or smart, but they do wash their cars frequently.

LOL! Reminds me of a prick in the deep south. I had to make an emergency stop at the rest area. I pulled into the rest area in the part for cars, (I was in a truck.) and this idiot came into the head and chastised me for pulling in where I did not belong. :(

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2011-01-26   17:37:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: noone222 (#4)

BAAANGGG oops, I'm the one that didn't bring a badge !

LOL!

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2011-01-26   17:38:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: BTP Holdings, noone222, x-15, lod, christine, jethro tull, original_intent, rotara, critter (#2)

OK, I am PISSED. The link in the article which included the text of my complaint, as well as the two scans of the trooper letter and envelope, have all been SCRAPPED.. REMOVED.. from my website! everything else on my website is still there. How could this possibly be?

"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
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Artisan  posted on  2011-01-26   20:48:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Artisan (#9)

jewtube?

Somewhere in Kenya, a village is missing its idiot.

Lod  posted on  2011-01-26   20:53:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Artisan (#9)

How could this possibly be?

Did those links work for you when you first posted the article?

If you didn't try them, then check one thing: all of the words in the link have an upper case first letter except the last word, complaint, which has a lower case first letter. Maybe you needed to use an upper case C there? It could just be a typo in the link.


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Critter  posted on  2011-01-26   20:57:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: noone222 (#4)

"I'm the one with the badge and the gun".

BAAANGGG oops, I'm the one that didn't bring a badge !

LOL!

"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-01-26   21:02:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Critter (#11)

Huh!

I thought that caps didn't matter in urls, emails, et al.

Somewhere in Kenya, a village is missing its idiot.

Lod  posted on  2011-01-26   21:02:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Lod (#13)

urls are case sensitive.


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Critter  posted on  2011-01-26   21:17:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Critter (#11)

they work fine and i actually kept the url tabs open and i am still looking at it. the page has been erased, as well as the two pdf files. i just emailed them all to you as attachments. could you post them?

"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2011-01-26   21:22:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Critter (#14)

In Firefox (and I suspect most all browsers) they are not.

Try it.

Somewhere in Kenya, a village is missing its idiot.

Lod  posted on  2011-01-26   21:26:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Artisan (#15)

Your whole site is gone now. Check your email. I can host it for you if you don't need built in HTML editor and can use an ftp client.


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Critter  posted on  2011-01-26   21:26:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Lod (#16)

The domain name is not case sensitive, but individual files are. If you change:
freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/po....cgi?an=128814&cn=16&ac=R
to:
freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/Po....cgi?an=128814&cn=16&ac=R
it won't get you there. :)


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Critter  posted on  2011-01-26   21:30:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Critter (#18)

Exactly correct.

Just like email addresses - size of letters don't matter.

Somewhere in Kenya, a village is missing its idiot.

Lod  posted on  2011-01-26   21:35:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Artisan (#15) (Edited)

texastrooperJan32001_Edit_1.pdf

texastrooperjan32011a_Edit_1.pdf

AFFIDAVIT.txt


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Critter  posted on  2011-01-26   21:36:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Artisan, All (#0)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2011-01-26   22:25:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Eric Stratton (#21)

How dare you talk bad about our "heroes" in blue!

Eeeek! Terrorism! Anarchy! Messy hair!

Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)

Esso  posted on  2011-01-26   22:30:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Esso (#22)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2011-01-26   22:45:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Eric Stratton (#23)

Viva La Tyranny..., I mean heroes!!

Now you're gettin' the hang of it.

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Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)

Esso  posted on  2011-01-26   22:50:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Esso (#24)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2011-01-26   23:01:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: noone222 (#4)

BAAANGGG oops, I'm the one that didn't bring a badge !

LOL


Tough women come from New York, sweet women from Texas, prissy women from Southern California, but we NORTHERN CALIFORNIA WOMEN have fire & ice in our blood. We can ride 4-wheelers, be a princess, throw a left hook, pack heat, hunt with the men, bake a cake, love with passion, and if we have an opinion, you know you're going to hear it!!

farmfriend  posted on  2011-01-26   23:19:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: farmfriend, original intent (#26)

Baaang ... we don't need no stinkin badges.

I think it's simply a matter of time before the pedestal that cops have relied upon for keeping the peace will crumble under the weight of their criminal abuses and people will even the odds.

It's too bad that good cops will eventually suffer the wrath caused by the bad ones. This may even be the intended agenda of those wishing to destroy our once humane and orderly society.

Resolve to serve no more, and you are at once freed. I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break into pieces. Etienne de la Boetie

noone222  posted on  2011-01-27   4:02:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: noone222 (#27)

I think it's simply a matter of time before the pedestal that cops have relied upon for keeping the peace will crumble under the weight of their criminal abuses and people will even the odds.

I hope so.


Tough women come from New York, sweet women from Texas, prissy women from Southern California, but we NORTHERN CALIFORNIA WOMEN have fire & ice in our blood. We can ride 4-wheelers, be a princess, throw a left hook, pack heat, hunt with the men, bake a cake, love with passion, and if we have an opinion, you know you're going to hear it!!

farmfriend  posted on  2011-01-27   9:13:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Artisan (#9)

How could this possibly be?

Don't know. Wish I could help. :(

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2011-01-27   16:46:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Lod, Artisan (#10)

jewtube?

Right on!

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2011-01-29   12:11:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: noone222 (#4)

BAAANGGG oops, I'm the one that didn't bring a badge !

Badges? We don't need no stinking badges. LOL!

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2011-02-08   17:13:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: BTP Holdings, 4 (#30)

Since jewoogle bought youtube, things have sucked.

Somewhere in Kenya, a village is missing its idiot.

Lod  posted on  2011-02-08   17:19:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Lod (#32)

Since jewoogle bought youtube, things have sucked.

Yes, indeed! I'm not online, but I know what you mean.

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2011-02-08   17:20:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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