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Title: The Coming Collapse of Sex Roles
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URL Source: http://uncabob.blogspot.com/
Published: Jan 30, 2011
Author: Bob Wallace
Post Date: 2011-01-30 14:16:00 by Turtle
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Views: 884
Comments: 33
There is a bit of a problem with sex roles these days, and I don’t think they can continue on the course they’re on. My view is that feminism was not a response to oppression, but boredom. Men’s inventions had made life so much easier that the more intelligent women, many of them not being able to overcome the challenge of leisure, became bored and wanted to move into the traditionally male fields. One of the problems is that they did not want to become coal miners or loggers or steel mill workers or garbage men. They didn’t want any hot, dangerous, dirty, sweaty jobs. They wanted to move into relatively easy, indoor, well-paying work. Since they were now working full-time, they wanted men to share housework. This does seem fair, but what these women were saying is, “I want access to the more pleasant male role, but I want men to help with the less-pleasant female role.” But men changed and accepted this. But at the same time, men were not allowed access to the more pleasant female role, such as staying home with the kids. Almost all women would be outraged if they made a very high salary and their husbands expected their wives to support them. See what I’m saying? Women wanted access to the good part of being a male, but not the bad part. They wanted men to accept the unpleasant parts of the female role but not the pleasant parts. So where exactly did men benefit in all of this? And at the same time, hallucinations about “patriarchy” and “male oppression” became the accepted reality. Men, who are responsible for civilization and technology, became the Bad Guys. Women, who as Camille Paglia so famously noted, would be unable to advance civilization beyond the level of grass huts, became the Good Guys. Again, where exactly did men benefit from all of this? Worse, Affirmative Action, which means “White Men Need Not Apply,” has enshrined quotas into law and prevented qualified men from being hired in the numbers they should be hired. So what happened is women with advanced degrees and making good salaries looked around and found there was a shortage of men they thought were suitable. So, without husband, home and children, they became hostile and bitter – and I have seen many of them. I have also seen many of these women making good salaries still expect men to ask them out. I’ve met women who in their entire lives never asked any man they were interested in out for a cup of coffee. Again, they didn’t want to shoulder any of the more unpleasant aspects of the male role. They didn’t want to risk rejection, and still don’t. However, it’s still okay for the man to risk it. I’ve met women who married the wrong guy (who asked them out), got divorced, got drunk one night, and called some guy they knew years ago, wondering if he was available. Then they found he was happily married, with children, many years ago. Who’s to blame for this – him, or her? Years ago I drove a taxi and got to know quite a few hookers. It was enlightening the things I saw. I’d take these girls to their customers and wait for them. A noticeable number of the guys didn’t do anything but watch some videos with the girls. They were paying for their company on a lonely Friday night. Where is “patriarchy” and “male oppression” in something like that? I can’t see these unnatural sex roles continuing. They’ll have to change; I just don’t know when. But sooner or later, they’ll change - once the heartbreak gets bad enough.
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#1. To: Turtle (#0)
Feminism was a means to get income tax from half of the population that wasn't paying it. Men were duped and women were duped. Bonus, breaking up the family unit creates more government dependence. It was never about real benefits for men or for women, Turtle. Based on the faulty premise to begin your argument, the rest is just a loosely knit bunch of assumptions and broad generalizations that ignore the true intent of the movement, the predictable results and the consequences for society.
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
Say what?
The premise that feminism arose out of boredom and not oppression. Neither was the actual premise for the rising of the movement. The argument builds on what de women supposedly wanted. In truth, it was a few women carefully scripted and given media access to voice their opinions to bring about that other 50% of the tax base that was desired. It was all about as liberating as the liberation of Iraq, Cyni.
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
You really need to read that book The Myth of Male Power. I think you'll like it.
Tough women come from New York, sweet women from Texas, prissy women from Southern California, but we NORTHERN CALIFORNIA WOMEN have fire & ice in our blood. We can ride 4-wheelers, be a princess, throw a left hook, pack heat, hunt with the men, bake a cake, love with passion, and if we have an opinion, you know you're going to hear it!! Long afore the movement, there was second class citizenship for women, it was readily apparent. When WW2 came along, many women moved out of the home. During all this time, going beyond this was the regimen of stifling women with brains. Men do not have to fear women because of physical strength, that will never change, but men must realize that women are no dummies. Most men cannot accept that. On the other side, too many women do not wear intelligence well because they forget the physical difference.
Not to sound sexist or anything, but once that power grid shuts down, they'll all return to their traditional places.
That's the point. Advanced technology, created by men, is what moved women out of the house into the workforce. If technology was to go away, men would be walking behind a mule ten hours a day, and women would be cleaning, sewing, cooking, etc., ten hours a day. And men created technology and civilization, not women. White men, I mean.
"If ever this vast country is brought under a single government, it will be one of the most extensive corruption, indifferent and incapable of a wholesome care over so wide a spread of surface. This will not be borne, and you will have to choose between reform and revolution. If I know the spirit of this country, the one or the other is inevitable." - Thomas Jefferson
Heard of it, never read it.
"If ever this vast country is brought under a single government, it will be one of the most extensive corruption, indifferent and incapable of a wholesome care over so wide a spread of surface. This will not be borne, and you will have to choose between reform and revolution. If I know the spirit of this country, the one or the other is inevitable." - Thomas Jefferson
Yes, and women bought into it out of boredom. :p
My view is that feminism was not a response to oppression, but boredom.
#2. To: abraxas, Turtle (#1)
Based on the faulty premise to begin your argument, the rest is just a loosely knit bunch of assumptions and broad generalizations
#3. To: Cynicom (#2)
Say what?
#4. To: Turtle (#0)
#5. To: abraxas (#3)
The premise that feminism arose out of boredom and not oppression.
#6. To: Turtle (#0)
#7. To: Obnoxicated (#6)
Not to sound sexist or anything, but once that power grid shuts down, they'll all return to their traditional places.
#8. To: farmfriend (#4)
You really need to read that book The Myth of Male Power. I think you'll like it.
#9. To: abraxas (#1)
Feminism was a means to get income tax from half of the population that wasn't paying it.
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#10. To: abraxas (#1)
Not exactly. Income tax withholding didn't start until 1943, as a "temporary" wartime measure. Tax revenues went from 686 million in '42 to 7.8 billion in '44 -- over eleven times higher. It had nothing to do with feminism. There was no "conpiracy" to get women into the workforce. It was women being duped by lesbians and hideous Jew medusae like Betty Friedan. Some men and women did predict what would happen. No one listened to them.
Feminism was a means to get income tax from half of the population that wasn't paying it.
"If ever this vast country is brought under a single government, it will be one of the most extensive corruption, indifferent and incapable of a wholesome care over so wide a spread of surface. This will not be borne, and you will have to choose between reform and revolution. If I know the spirit of this country, the one or the other is inevitable." - Thomas Jefferson
#11. To: abraxas (#1)
Exactly. That is made clear by Gloria Slime'em's admission that the CIA provided the seed money for starting Ms. Magazine. Now there's a term that has dropped out of use among all but the PC - "Ms.". As you point out part of it was to get the female serfs working, but that is not all of it. Just as important to the controllers/Psychiatrists, if not more so, was breaking up the family unit. By getting women sold on the idea of being just a differently abled drone it put children under the increasing control, and programming, of the government. This in turn undermined the concept of a free society. Women in any event were chafing at the bit and tired of being subordinated - and thus change was coming along naturally. The nascent "Women's Liberation Movement" was co-opted and turned into that social disease known as feminism. Just as the Civil Rights Movement was perverted into black nationalism and just another form of hate. The reason feminism did not work as well as the perversion of Civil Rights is that most normal women do not readily hate men. Which is why the National Organization became dominated by Lesbians who do. And equally most men do not desire to subjugate women, but were trapped by traditional culture as well which is why the original Women's Liberation worked - as it merely asserted full equality for women - not the false equality and male bashing of feminism. Thus the planted meme that women who did want to be homemakers were somehow less than those who desired something more. However, the family unit is a viable construct because it fits the survival needs of men and women and provides for the safe rearing of children. It also excludes the state other than by its forcible intrusion into the family through various laws that have increasingly subordinated the rights and prerogatives of parents to the model preferred by the State which is in turn shaped by the controlling banksters and the Psychiatrists. Feminism was a means to get income tax from half of the population that wasn't paying it. Men were duped and women were duped. Bonus, breaking up the family unit creates more government dependence. It was never about real benefits for men or for women, ...
"Every child in America entering school at the age of five is insane because he comes to school with certain allegiances toward our Founding Fathers, toward his parents, toward our elected officials, toward a belief in a supernatural being, and toward the sovereignty of this nation as a separate entity. It's up to you, teachers, to make all of these sick children well by creating the international child of the future." Chester Pierce, Harvard University, Professor of Education and Psychiatry, Emeritus, to a 1973 Education Seminar in Denver.
"The family is now one of the major obstacles to improved mental health, and hence should be weakened, if possible, so as to free individuals and especially children from the coercion of family life." International Congress on Mental Health, London, 1948
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha
#12. To: Turtle (#8)
You need to.
Heard of it, never read it.
Tough women come from New York, sweet women from Texas, prissy women from Southern California, but we NORTHERN CALIFORNIA WOMEN have fire & ice in our blood. We can ride 4-wheelers, be a princess, throw a left hook, pack heat, hunt with the men, bake a cake, love with passion, and if we have an opinion, you know you're going to hear it!!
#13. To: Original_Intent, abraxas, Turtle (#11)
don't discount the importance of Christian teaching all this as well.
The reason feminism did not work as well as the perversion of Civil Rights is that most normal women do not readily hate men.
Tough women come from New York, sweet women from Texas, prissy women from Southern California, but we NORTHERN CALIFORNIA WOMEN have fire & ice in our blood. We can ride 4-wheelers, be a princess, throw a left hook, pack heat, hunt with the men, bake a cake, love with passion, and if we have an opinion, you know you're going to hear it!!
#14. To: Cynicom (#5)
To be fair, it was stifling poor women with brains. Those who were born into money were not so much stifled in education or opportunities and the legal woes facing the poor women were not insurmountable for a woman who had money and a lawyer. Very few women with money feel "oppressed".....I think that's true then and now. The class differences are rarely broached but certainly relevant to the topic.
During all this time, going beyond this was the regimen of stifling women with brains.
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
#15. To: abraxas (#14)
I had older friend that was one of the first female med students at U of Chicago, in the 1920s. From a wealthy family, father a doctor. It took an effort to get her accepted and she paid the price all the way thru. Women were inferior. To her credit tho, she never lost sight that she was was a woman first and last. Married a regular guy, raised a family and at 75 was still getting looks from men. A woman is a woman is a woman, men kind of like it that way.
To be fair, it was stifling poor women with brains
#16. To: Turtle (#0)
staying at home raising kids is a pleasant role for a man? eegads. i dont think nature intended that.
"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#17. To: abraxas (#3)
ha ha. great posts.
as the liberation of Iraq
"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#18. To: Turtle (#7)
someone will have to teach them how to do those things first
cleaning sewing cooking
"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#19. To: Turtle (#10)
No, exactly. Sold as a "temporary measure" and one must be truly naive to believe it was ever meant to be that. You ignore women going to work for the war effort while the men were sent to combat, which conveniently falls into the time line. Imagine the coincidental odds of that? Ask yourself CUI BONO? Not de women and surely not the men. This is divide and conquer 101, Turtle. Only you are left spewing the lame blame de women mantra while ignoring all the benefits and fantastic coincidences resulting for the sole benefit of GOVERNMENT and BIG BUSINESS. Contrary to the carefully cultivated feminist image of "rebels" fighting the system that you like to cling to with all your might, feminists collaborated with government and big business to reduce workers' bargaining power, increase the income tax collected and increase GDP via slight of hand. These were paid whores for that cause, simple as that. Through women entering the work force, worker bargaining power decreased. Doubling the workforce through women working decreased wages and bargaining power of existing workers (men, and eventually both, but what a BOON for big business and government). Employers got two workers from every household for the price of one, thanks to feminism....ignore that at your peril. Oh, but the tax base increases MASSIVELY-who benefits? The government could not tax the labor of women working in the home and something had to be done to remedy that. Now women pay income tax and sales tax on all the additional expenses incurred via going to work, basically they contribute to the tax base in EVERYTHING. Hence, the illusion of the economy growing is secured at least for several decades. It's win, win, win for de government (but you can pretend this was all just a wonderful boon that resulted by pure coincidence). Lastly, women entering the paid workforce creates the illusion of GDP growth and the government looks good in the short term. Two earners per household pushes up the price of real estate and everything else(bubbles)which make it look like it's really growing at least until the burst. Also covers the loss in purchasing power of the dollar with the Fed Res fiasco. Have you ever considered how much RE went up in cost after women entered the work force and two incomes could pay for the mortgages? You are naive to ignore it. Also, increases in real estate prices increases property tax revenues collected by the government. You are really underestimating the inner workings of feminism by repeating the media talking points and ignoring the real benefits to big government and big business, which is really the only one to win in the end. Face it, you have been duped and as long as you continue spewing the same lame feminist mantra that was merely carefully crafted paid talking points, you will continue to fail to see the forest for the trees.
Not exactly. Income tax withholding didn't start until 1943, as a "temporary" wartime measure
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
#20. To: Critter (#9)
lol........yes, it must have been de boredom. Truly, de women couldn't survive without somebody telling them exactly what to do for 40 hours a week. : P Working some 9-5 bit was surely more exciting than keeping it real at home and doing what needed to be done on your own schedule......oh de oppression of it all!! Also, all the crap that needed to be done at home is still waiting after the eight hours are done at work.
Yes, and women bought into it out of boredom. :p
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
#21. To: Artisan (#18)
lol......and they need to learn to darn socks again too!!
someone will have to teach them how to do those things first
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
#22. To: abraxas (#21)
Somewhere in Kenya, a village is missing its idiot.
#23. To: abraxas, Artisan (#21)
That's what I say - darn socks! I keep losing one in the dryer or something. Maybe there's a "Sock Monster" that eats them?
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha
#24. To: Turtle (#0)
The entire movement has been STAGED and here is the beginning of it all.......oh, how deliciously liberating (barf).
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
#25. To: Original_Intent (#23)
Well, I could darn over a hole in a sock, but I can't darn up a whole new one. : ) lol
That's what I say - darn socks!
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
#26. To: Lod (#22)
lol........thanks Loddy. It was all so darn liberating.
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
#27. To: abraxas (#25)
Darning socks with those new CFL bulbs should be a real thrill...
Somewhere in Kenya, a village is missing its idiot.
#28. To: Turtle (#0) (Edited)
Did this guy lose his balls or something? He is a broken record talking about gender issues. There are too many real problems in the world to worry about than the opposite sex.
Author: Bob Wallace
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#29. To: abraxas (#24)
None of it, absolutely none of it, could have happend without technology to get women out of the house. It was a natural evolution, and advanced technology is the creation of white men. None of that was a "conspiracy." Only the deluded blame everything on non- existent conspiracies.
The entire movement has been STAGED and here is the beginning of it all.......oh, how deliciously liberating (barf).
"If ever this vast country is brought under a single government, it will be one of the most extensive corruption, indifferent and incapable of a wholesome care over so wide a spread of surface. This will not be borne, and you will have to choose between reform and revolution. If I know the spirit of this country, the one or the other is inevitable." - Thomas Jefferson
#30. To: Cynicom, abraxas (#2)
Based on the faulty premise to begin your argument, the rest is just a loosely knit bunch of assumptions and broad generalizations Say what? She's hysterical and irrational! Snicker.
"If ever this vast country is brought under a single government, it will be one of the most extensive corruption, indifferent and incapable of a wholesome care over so wide a spread of surface. This will not be borne, and you will have to choose between reform and revolution. If I know the spirit of this country, the one or the other is inevitable." - Thomas Jefferson
#31. To: RickyJ, Turtle (#28)
LOL!!!
Did this guy lose his balls or something? He is a broken record talking about gender issues.
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
#32. To: abraxas, Turtle (#20)
;-)
Also, all the crap that needed to be done at home is still waiting after the eight hours are done at work.
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#33. To: X-15 (#32)
lol.....Iron my shirt bitch!!
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
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