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Title: Wikileaks: CoIntelPro Psyop
Source: Don't Tread On Me
URL Source: http://dont-tread-on.me/wikileaks-cointelpro-psyop
Published: Feb 5, 2011
Author: Silver Shield
Post Date: 2011-02-05 13:25:59 by Original_Intent
Keywords: Wikileaks, disinformation, PsyOp, Fraud
Views: 3295
Comments: 126

Wikileaks: CoIntelPro Psyop

By Silver Shield, on February 2nd, 2011
wikileaks-cointelpro-psyop

I have had it with Wikileaks. I am fully convinced that Wikileaks is a Counter Intelligence Program and a Psychological Operation by either CIA, MI6 or Mossad.

The CIA/MI6/Mossad have trashed their reputation, which has caused their scare tactics to wear off.  They have created a new “credible” source like Wikileaks to dump their same old tired lies through them. Seriously, how difficult would it have been for the CIA to grab some hacker and play good cop, bad cop with him.  They could say, “we got you good and we are going to throw you in jail for the rest of your life. Or you can work with us and we will wipe away all of your charges.”   It works with low level mafia thugs, why not on a global scale where the stakes are that much higher. Even in the Matrix had a scene just like this.

Wikileaks has all of the power to spread the truth on the internet and all of the secrecy that the Elite uses. When this site first came on the scene, I’ll admit that I bought it hook line and sinker.  A group of rich, sophisticated hackers that want to shed light on everything the Elite want to keep secret… “That is awesome!” I knew in the beginning that their intelligence dumps would not be big or yield much of a result.  It is the nature of the beast in this business.  No one will stick their neck out for you, until you have some street credibility.

Wikileaks went from damaging attack helicopter video of murdered civilians, to petty school girl chatter about foreign diplomats to finally, outright propaganda.

I’ve given Wikileaks the benefit of the doubt, even up until a week or two ago in my Beware of the Patriot Pied Pipers article.  In my article, I had listed about 20 things that would really hack at the root of the Elite’s power.  I practically pleaded with them to, Get me something to rock the world out of it’s slumber.” Let’s face it, when Wikileak’s intelligence dumps sound like the same shit that NeoCons used to scare the American people into Iraq and Afghanistan, it is time to judge a tree by it’s fruit.

Look at today’s Drudge Report headline, “Wikileaks: ‘Al-Qaida On Brink Of Using Nuke Bomb.”  This is right out of the same play book of 2003, with all the talk of mushroom clouds and yellow cake.  This is why I think Wikileaks is a front for the same guys that brought you 9 years of senseless wars.  No one really believes the State Department and CIA anymore.  Certainly not after Colin”Slam Dunk” Powell destroyed not only his reputation, but that of America when he went before the UN to make the case for preemptive war.  So, they created Wikileaks to to be a “legitimate” source of information.

Or what about this headline about the spooky 9/11 gang that got away… A DECADE AGO!  Really, what internet blogger/hacker would publish stuff like this?  Wikileak’s sole purpose was to expose secrets and not push propaganda.  There are thousands of sites on the internet showing pretty damning evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.  Yet, here is Wikileaks, the biggest, baddest site in the Freedom Movement, publishing stuff that would give Ruppert Murdoch a boner?  It is time to judge a tree by it’s fruit.

This has created a new Hegelian Dialectic, where the Elite give us two false choices to choose from. Both options are controlled by the Elite in order to benefit themselves.  It is designed to fool us with the ability to choose the lesser of two evils.

Socialism or Fascism, never a Constitutional Republic.

Democrats or Republicans, never a true Independent.

Wall St or D.C., never Main St.

Ahhh freedom! (Where is that sarcasm button…)

So now we have the new Hegelian Dialectic of Wikileaks or CIA/MI6/Mossad, never any real truth to rock the world.

Don’t be fooled by this and judge a tree by it’s fruit.

Another Hegelian Dialectic the Elite control system is America vs. Al Qaida. It is well known that America created and funded Al Qaida, just like we’ve created Saddam.  In this video, here is globalist, head honcho Zbigniew Brezinski, in Pakistan at the very beginning of the Mujahideen.  This radicalization of the Muslims was our attempt to fight the Russians back in the day.  We have armed and trained them to fight.  In fact, Al Qaida literally means “the base,” and guess what, we’ve built that base too!  These fake bad guys are used by the Elites to justify profitable wars for resources and more control at home.

So if you can truly see through these levels of lies the Drudge Report headline should read like this…

I am interested in what happens with the Openleaks. Again, this sounds awesome on the face of it.  It has one key feature that sets it apart from Wikileaks, it is a decentralized approach of leaking info. Wikileaks uses the same sort of centralized secrecy that they supposedly are fighting against.  Openleaks gets rid of the centralized and secretive approach and replace it with a decentralized, open approach as explained in their introductory video.

OpenLeaks 101 from openleaks on Vimeo.

THIS IS AN AD FROM THE DRUDGE REPORT

One final thought.  I have been warning you about how the Egyptian Revolution and the National Tea Party movement will fail. I say this because they have no idea what they are up against. I wrote that the National Tea Party will fail because of the same power that has infiltrated, corrupted, and destroyed both the Republican and Democratic parties, are now doing the same to the Tea Party.  I wrote about the globalist powers directly behind Tea Party favorites like Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin in Beware of the Patriot Pied Pipers.

I want to point out another Patriot Pied Piper, Charles Krauthammer. This crippled, NeoCon was on Fox News everyday spouting the NeoCon agenda with Britt Hume. I know because I was glued to Fox news from 2001 to 2005 before I woke up. Charles is very intelligent and thoughtful, but at the end of the day, we need to judge him by his war propaganda and say never again.

Wake Some People Up!



Poster Comment: This should bring out a few of the "usual suspects" to support the PsyOp.

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#1. To: Original_Intent (#0)

Poster Comment: This should bring out a few of the "usual suspects" to support the PsyOp.

It worked: It brought you out, supporting your psyop, Duff Man.

This is another example of a crybaby bitching because his pet conspiracy theories haven't been explicitly supported by wikileaks.

If they don't have the info, then they can't release it. No one that I know of has proven that wikileaks has the info that these wusses are looking for, and are withholding it.

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Click for Privacy and Preparedness files

"All Israel had one million one hundred thousand men who drew the sword, and Judah had four hundred and seventy thousand men who drew the sword. 1 Chronicles 21:5 Bigger than the US Army! lulz

Judges 1 19 The LORD was with the men of Judah. They took possession of the hill country, but they were unable to drive the people from the plains, because they had chariots fitted with iron. Iron is gods Kryptonite. More lulz

Jesus Never Existed

PSUSA  posted on  2011-02-05   14:01:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: PSUSA (#1)

Right on schedule.

How late does your shift run today?

Do you get extra for working on a Saturday or is it part of your usual schedule?

Has all the snow been keeping you out of the office?

CoIntelPro: The Sabotage of Legitimate Dissent

"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-02-05   14:07:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Original_Intent (#2)

This is another example of a crybaby bitching because his pet conspiracy theories haven't been explicitly supported by wikileaks.

If they don't have the info, then they can't release it. No one that I know of has proven that wikileaks has the info that these wusses are looking for, and are withholding it.


Click for Privacy and Preparedness files

"All Israel had one million one hundred thousand men who drew the sword, and Judah had four hundred and seventy thousand men who drew the sword. 1 Chronicles 21:5 Bigger than the US Army! lulz

Judges 1 19 The LORD was with the men of Judah. They took possession of the hill country, but they were unable to drive the people from the plains, because they had chariots fitted with iron. Iron is gods Kryptonite. More lulz

Jesus Never Existed

PSUSA  posted on  2011-02-05   14:52:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: BSUSA, PSUSA, Cynicom, randge, Bill D Berger, wudidiz, Phant2000, christine, Lady X, TwentyTwelve, Eric Stratton, all (#3) (Edited)

You should love this. It is soooooooooooo you.

Twenty-Five Ways To Suppress Truth: The Rules of Disinformation

"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-02-05   15:43:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Original_Intent (#4)

Oh, so I'm suppressing the truth? I get it. Duff Man has the truth, and here I am, interfering with you in your disseminating The Truth to the lowly unwashed masses.

I'm not suppressing the truth. I don't have that kind of power. You just dont like it when someone like me comes along and disagrees with you and your bullshit. I just won't get with the program. I mean, your program.

And I don't mind standing alone. And, I will continue to do so. Because it's fun. Because you're such an easy target. Because you're not nearly as smart as you try so desperately to make yourself out to be.

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Click for Privacy and Preparedness files

"All Israel had one million one hundred thousand men who drew the sword, and Judah had four hundred and seventy thousand men who drew the sword. 1 Chronicles 21:5 Bigger than the US Army! lulz

Judges 1 19 The LORD was with the men of Judah. They took possession of the hill country, but they were unable to drive the people from the plains, because they had chariots fitted with iron. Iron is gods Kryptonite. More lulz

Jesus Never Existed

PSUSA  posted on  2011-02-05   15:58:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: PSUSA (#5)

"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-02-05   16:02:43 ET  (2 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Original_Intent (#6)

Here I am, Duff Man. I'm not going anywhere.

I already said what my objections were. I'm not going to stop expressing my opinion just because you don't like it. In fact, knowing that you don't like it keeps me going.

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Click for Privacy and Preparedness files

"All Israel had one million one hundred thousand men who drew the sword, and Judah had four hundred and seventy thousand men who drew the sword. 1 Chronicles 21:5 Bigger than the US Army! lulz

Judges 1 19 The LORD was with the men of Judah. They took possession of the hill country, but they were unable to drive the people from the plains, because they had chariots fitted with iron. Iron is gods Kryptonite. More lulz

Jesus Never Existed

PSUSA  posted on  2011-02-05   16:22:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: PSUSA, Original_Intent .... the Duff_Man, extra-ordinaire! (#1)

The article that Duff_Man presented describes EVERYTHING from the tea party to Egypt (with I told you so) as though there is any real or valid analysis about WikiLeaks at all. It is just another distress signal of CT Klown activity rumblings.

"In a free society we're supposed to know the truth," ... "In a society where truth becomes treason, then we're in big trouble. And now, people who are revealing the truth are getting into trouble for it" -- Ron Paul, circa 2010-12-02

buckeroo  posted on  2011-02-06   12:48:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: buckeroo (#8) (Edited)

The article that Duff_Man presented describes EVERYTHING from the tea party to Egypt (with I told you so) as though there is any real or valid analysis about WikiLeaks at all.

Sure. Duff Man tries to connect dots that either 1) don't exist or 2) exist but not on the same page.

From the article rant: So, they created Wikileaks to to be a “legitimate” source of information.

No. It's raw data. And the data is legit. But people like this bitch and moan because it's not all laid out for them nice and neat in a format that they can immediately understand. Or they bitch because the leaks don't say what they want them to say, as if there is an intentional cover-up.

Just because wikileaks doesn't do this, but leaves the interpretation to others, they accuse wikileaks of being a creation of intelligence agencies. It's idiotic.

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Click for Privacy and Preparedness files

"All Israel had one million one hundred thousand men who drew the sword, and Judah had four hundred and seventy thousand men who drew the sword. 1 Chronicles 21:5 Bigger than the US Army! lulz

Judges 1 19 The LORD was with the men of Judah. They took possession of the hill country, but they were unable to drive the people from the plains, because they had chariots fitted with iron. Iron is gods Kryptonite. More lulz

Jesus Never Existed

PSUSA  posted on  2011-02-06   13:19:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: PSUSA (#9)

I think Duff_Man presents these anti-WikiLeaks' articles (at about one to two a week) as a personal method to understand if anyone has any common sense, rational analysis capability or thoughtful or insightful characteristics into the phenomenon of disinformation that he personally propagates. I can see no other reason why he would waste his time but (and I confess) I am giving him the benefit of doubt about his own rationality.

"In a free society we're supposed to know the truth," ... "In a society where truth becomes treason, then we're in big trouble. And now, people who are revealing the truth are getting into trouble for it" -- Ron Paul, circa 2010-12-02

buckeroo  posted on  2011-02-06   13:33:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: buckeroo (#10)

I agree with that.

And what I find to be hilarious is his accusing others that disagree of being disinfo COINTELPRO "agents". He fits that definition better than anyone here. If anyone here is working for the feds, it's OI.

He's good at leading some people on wild goose chases. Or, maybe snipe hunting would be more accurate, in that when his theories turn out to be crap, like the corexit "we're going to all DIE!" crap, he leaves people holding the bag, out on some dark trail in the middle of nowhere, wondering WTF just happened. And what's REALLY funny is that his stooges keep coming back for more!

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Click for Privacy and Preparedness files

"All Israel had one million one hundred thousand men who drew the sword, and Judah had four hundred and seventy thousand men who drew the sword. 1 Chronicles 21:5 Bigger than the US Army! lulz

Judges 1 19 The LORD was with the men of Judah. They took possession of the hill country, but they were unable to drive the people from the plains, because they had chariots fitted with iron. Iron is gods Kryptonite. More lulz

Jesus Never Existed

PSUSA  posted on  2011-02-06   13:41:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: PSUSA, Duff_Man AKA Original_Intent (#11)

And what I find to be hilarious is his accusing others that disagree of being disinfo COINTELPRO "agents". He fits that definition better than anyone here. If anyone here is working for the feds, it's OI.

Duff_Man fits the professional disinformationalist portfolio when compared to his own antics to a Tee; he is usually posting 12 hours a day/7 days a week or until he gives up, whichever is of longer duration. He is a real Chatty-Cathy doll; all you have to do is pull his string and a new CT pops out of his keyboard.

"In a free society we're supposed to know the truth," ... "In a society where truth becomes treason, then we're in big trouble. And now, people who are revealing the truth are getting into trouble for it" -- Ron Paul, circa 2010-12-02

buckeroo  posted on  2011-02-06   14:17:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: PSUSA (#9)

No. It's raw data. And the data is legit. But people like this bitch and moan because it's not all laid out for them nice and neat in a format that they can immediately understand. Or they bitch because the leaks don't say what they want them to say, as if there is an intentional cover-up.

Oh really? How do you KNOW it's legit? Were you born yesterday?

If there were some truly legitimate damaging data being released, WikiLeaks would have been terminated the moment the data was made available, if not before.

It's pretty clear that what's being fed to the sheep out of WikiLeaks are a few morsels of legit data, along with lots of disinfo in areas the PTB wish to lead the sheep to false conclusions.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-02-06   14:38:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: buckeroo (#12)

I dont see it as being related to time online. I'm online most of the day doing business.

IMO it's strictly related to what he posts.

And he doesn't like it when others disagree with him. He reminds me of Alex Jones. You either buy his story, or you're a shill fed contelpro whatever.

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Click for Privacy and Preparedness files

"All Israel had one million one hundred thousand men who drew the sword, and Judah had four hundred and seventy thousand men who drew the sword. 1 Chronicles 21:5 Bigger than the US Army! lulz

Judges 1 19 The LORD was with the men of Judah. They took possession of the hill country, but they were unable to drive the people from the plains, because they had chariots fitted with iron. Iron is gods Kryptonite. More lulz

Jesus Never Existed

PSUSA  posted on  2011-02-06   14:40:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: buckeroo (#12)

Duff_Man fits the professional disinformationalist portfolio when compared to his own antics to a Tee

I'd say you fit the mold much better than he there bucko. Between the childish name calling, incessant harassment on the forum, and constant BS from you siding with the goverment, I'd say you truly are what you accuse him of.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-02-06   14:41:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: PSUSA (#11)

like the corexit "we're going to all DIE!" crap

Are you trying to say that Corexit has not caused massive problems in the Gulf, and for the people who live near it?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-02-06   14:42:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: FormerLurker (#13)

It's pretty clear that what's being fed to the sheep out of WikiLeaks are a few morsels of legit data, along with lots of disinfo in areas the PTB wish to lead the sheep to false conclusions.

Exactly.




WikiCircus


"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-02-06   14:44:53 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Original_Intent (#17)

The article was spot on.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-02-06   14:46:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Original_Intent (#17)

Most people aren't fooled by that circus, and the elite are none too happy about it. They need to send people like buck onto Internet forums to try to convince the folks that WikiLeaks is all true, and that you're a "disinfo specialist" if you try to tell people it's BS.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-02-06   14:48:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: FormerLurker (#13)

It's pretty clear that what's being fed to the sheep out of WikiLeaks are a few morsels of legit data, along with lots of disinfo in areas the PTB wish to lead the sheep to false conclusions.

Oh really? How do you KNOW it's not legit? Were you born yesterday?

If it wasn't legit, we'd have heard that by now. So, instead of attacking the legitimacy of the raw data, wikileaks gets attacked over what they don't or can't release because they don't have it to release.

If there were some truly legitimate damaging data being released, WikiLeaks would have been terminated the moment the data was made available, if not before.

Nonsense. That's total and complete bullshit. That would be the dumbest thing that the PTB could possibly do.

First of all, the wikileaks people aren't stupid. I'm sure they planned on what they would do should this happen to their site.

2nd of all, think of the shitstorm generated by the PTBs actions. It would give instant credibility to wikileaks.

The only thing that I can think of that they can do is what they are doing right now. And that is: attack the messenger in the hopes that the message gets ignored. They have fucktards like Gordon Duff and Duff Man to do their dirty work for them.

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Click for Privacy and Preparedness files

"All Israel had one million one hundred thousand men who drew the sword, and Judah had four hundred and seventy thousand men who drew the sword. 1 Chronicles 21:5 Bigger than the US Army! lulz

Judges 1 19 The LORD was with the men of Judah. They took possession of the hill country, but they were unable to drive the people from the plains, because they had chariots fitted with iron. Iron is gods Kryptonite. More lulz

Jesus Never Existed

PSUSA  posted on  2011-02-06   14:51:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: PSUSA (#20)

Oh really? How do you KNOW it's not legit? Were you born yesterday?

Due to many reasons, I don't believe unsubstantiated gossip on the Internet, just as I don't believe every word of a mouthpiece claiming to have in its possession super duper secret intel that it's releasing on a whim.

Do you seriously think our government would allow somebody to publish national security information on the Internet, and not be able to silence said operation?

Are you THAT naive?

There is much truth in the posted article, wherein areas in which known lies have been sold to the people as truth, those same lies are ALSO being sold by WikiLeaks. It's as if Cheney and gang are running it, spewing the same proven lies as they were back when they sat in their seats of power during the Bush administration.

Now it's being sold as "leaked info". Yeah right.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-02-06   14:59:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: PSUSA (#20)

2nd of all, think of the shitstorm generated by the PTBs actions. It would give instant credibility to wikileaks.

Don't you think they have all data lines to and from WikiLeaks monitored, and know EXACTLY what is being sent and received? They would have taken it down well before it became a household word.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-02-06   15:01:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: PSUSA (#20)

And don't you find WikiLeaks cozy relationship with the New York Times (you know, the paper that pushed the idea of WMD in Iraq) a bit of a conflict of interest?

Did you not know that the NY Times is basically ran out of Langley?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-02-06   15:04:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: FormerLurker, Duff_Man, christine (#15) (Edited)

Are you sure? Duff_Man is the most finger-pointing asshole on 4um; he even uses his crap in the intended TO: list with piles of people to see his own so-called fucked-upped "humour" from time to time.

He tires me of his trite name-calling and his religiously exercised attempt to convince christine that I am some government psyop; the mother-fucker has called me a psyop for over a year. He is a lunatic, of course; he needs less of a keyboard from his head-nurse and more of a padded cell with Nurse Ratchet forcing some Quaaludes down his fucking throat.

Sometimes the government position is correct, BTW. It is not the reason for all the FUCKUPS everywhere. Neither is any one single issue confronting us as an informed People. But go ahead and suck that blow-hart's excuse for a dick about his own CTs. I really don't give a fucking shit, pal.

"In a free society we're supposed to know the truth," ... "In a society where truth becomes treason, then we're in big trouble. And now, people who are revealing the truth are getting into trouble for it" -- Ron Paul, circa 2010-12-02

buckeroo  posted on  2011-02-06   15:05:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: FormerLurker (#21)

Do you seriously think our government would allow somebody to publish national security information on the Internet, and not be able to silence said operation?

Yes. But I wouldn't use the word "allow". I would say that they had to bend over and take it, because the consequences of trying to stop it would have only made things worse for the reasons that I already gave you.

Are you THAT naive?

No.

They are not all-powerful. It is naive of you to think that they are.

There is much truth in the posted article, wherein areas in which known lies have been sold to the people as truth, those same lies are ALSO being sold by WikiLeaks. It's as if Cheney and gang are running it, spewing the same proven lies as they were back when they sat in their seats of power during the Bush administration.

What lies are wikileaks "selling"? Remember, you said "proven lies". So, what are they? .


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PSUSA  posted on  2011-02-06   15:06:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: FormerLurker (#23)

Did you not know that the NY Times is basically ran out of Langley?

===================================

And WHO runs Langley?

Anybody?

U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY

HAPPY2BME-4UM  posted on  2011-02-06   15:07:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: FormerLurker (#18)

Thanks.

"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-02-06   15:20:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: buckeroo, All (#24) (Edited)

Are you sure? Duff_Man is the most finger-pointing asshole on 4um; he even uses his crap in the intended TO: list with piles of people to see his own so-called fucked-upped "humour" from time to time.

Your foul mouthed bullshit is quite clear, and its intent is quite clear as well. You've targeted a poster here for harassment, and harass you will, 24/7.

Do you enjoy your job buck? Do they pay well?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-02-06   15:25:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: FormerLurker, buckeroo, Buckmonster Fullofit, Nostradumbass, wudidiz, all (#19)

Most people aren't fooled by that circus, and the elite are none too happy about it. They need to send people like buck onto Internet forums to try to convince the folks that WikiLeaks is all true, and that you're a "disinfo specialist" if you try to tell people it's BS.

Yup, buckie is "Johnny-on-the-spot" to "catapult the propaganda".

While there were a lot of people taken in initially I think a fair number of people looked at with hope, but the reality has become rapidly apparent. Assange's MK Ultra type background to all the people who are closely associated with him and handling him has made it obvious to anyone with any smarts, which of course excludes shills, that it was a disinformation PsyOp.

"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-02-06   15:28:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: PSUSA (#25)

They are not all-powerful. It is naive of you to think that they are.

Look up how former Secretary of Defense James Forrestal ended up. Look at how JFK, RFK, MLK, and a rather lengthy list of lesser known figures, such as Vince Foster, Ron Brown, and a host of others ended up.

Look up how investigative journalists Danny Casolaro, and Gary Webb ended up.

Hopefully you'll get the idea. Even US Presidents and Defense Secretaries are open game for these folks.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-02-06   15:30:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: FormerLurker (#28)

You've targeted a poster here for harassment, and harass you will, 24/7.

I have never been on a chit-chat forum for 24/7/365; I have too many things to do in REAL life. Feel free to examine my history as opposed to your Duff_Man sidekick's anthology of CT crapola.

The single reason why you side with Duff_Man against WikiLeaks is because of the first publick releases of data from WikiLeaks. Do you know what I am discussing?

I wager you can't or won't answer my question, pal.

"In a free society we're supposed to know the truth," ... "In a society where truth becomes treason, then we're in big trouble. And now, people who are revealing the truth are getting into trouble for it" -- Ron Paul, circa 2010-12-02

buckeroo  posted on  2011-02-06   15:30:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#26)

And WHO runs Langley?

The Puppet Masters.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-02-06   15:32:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: FormerLurker, buckeroo, Buckmonster Fullofit, Nostradumbass, wudidiz, all (#24)

Ah, poor widdle buckie. He is just sooooooooooo put upon.

"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-02-06   15:33:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: buckeroo, The wound too tight club, Little buckie, Buckmonster Fullofit, Nostradumbass, FormerLurker, all (#31)

I wager you can't or won't answer my question, pal.

Step 1. Ask a comprehensible and coherent question.

"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-02-06   15:35:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: buckeroo (#31)

The single reason why you side with Duff_Man against WikiLeaks is because of the first publick releases of data from WikiLeaks. Do you know what I am discussing?

Huh? So they released some video of a massacre in Iraq, which more than likely happens every day there. What about video of US forces firing on US reporters, did Assange release any of that?

No, of course he didn't.

So what do you think, they'd instantly start releasing disinfo and hope that the public would simply swallow it? Of course WikiLeaks had to build up their reputation with SOME tidbits of truth, and fool people into thinking they were a legit operation.

Man you are SOOOOO dumb at times buck, if you really ARE just a poster here rather than a plant.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-02-06   15:36:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: FormerLurker (#30)

Look up how former Secretary of Defense James Forrestal ended up. Look at how JFK, RFK, MLK, and a rather lengthy list of lesser known figures, such as Vince Foster, Ron Brown, and a host of others ended up.

Look up how investigative journalists Danny Casolaro, and Gary Webb ended up.

Hopefully you'll get the idea. Even US Presidents and Defense Secretaries are open game for these folks.

Exactly. If Assange and WeakeyLinks were actually exposing anything of note and consequence to the Shadow Gov./Puppetmasters/Banksters & Psychoiatrists he would be dead, and would have been dead before he had a chance to release anything of note. He would have joined John Wheeler in an adjoining Dumpster-condo.

"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-02-06   15:39:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Original_Intent (#29)

Assange's MK Ultra type background

What a fucking BSer you are. You are just pissed that a Assange (as a teenager) could hack into government and educational institutional data bases without conviction; whereas all you have ever performed was plagiarized graphical work.

While you took 10 years to learn how to post plagiarized HTML graphics on a chit-chat channel, Assange got a PhD in Physics and lead a revolution in contemporary thought in the use of and about the Internet around the world, particularly in anonymity.

"In a free society we're supposed to know the truth," ... "In a society where truth becomes treason, then we're in big trouble. And now, people who are revealing the truth are getting into trouble for it" -- Ron Paul, circa 2010-12-02

buckeroo  posted on  2011-02-06   15:39:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: buckeroo (#31)

I have never been on a chit-chat forum for 24/7/365; I have too many things to do in REAL life. Feel free to examine my history as opposed to your Duff_Man sidekick's anthology of CT crapola.

Uh huh. So what is so "CT" about the facts that OI and others have posted? Is it that you wish to aid and abet the conspirators? Did you know that conspiracy is a crime punishable by a decade or more in federal prison?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-02-06   15:39:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: FormerLurker, buckeroo, Buckmonster Fullofit, Nostradumbass, wudidiz, all (#35)

...if you really ARE just a poster here rather than a plant.

Well he does have a lot of characteristics of a plant - kind of wooden and thick. I just don't know if he has green leafy foliage.

"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-02-06   15:40:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Original_Intent, Formerlurker (#34)

Hey, Duff_Man... I posted this:

The single reason why you side with Duff_Man against WikiLeaks is because of the first publick releases of data from WikiLeaks. Do you know what I am discussing?

Than you cite a part of my post:

I wager you can't or won't answer my question, pal.

And here is your retort:

Step 1. Ask a comprehensible and coherent question.

Go FUCK YOURSELF, you incomprehensible idiot.

"In a free society we're supposed to know the truth," ... "In a society where truth becomes treason, then we're in big trouble. And now, people who are revealing the truth are getting into trouble for it" -- Ron Paul, circa 2010-12-02

buckeroo  posted on  2011-02-06   15:42:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Original_Intent (#33)

Ah, poor widdle buckie. He is just sooooooooooo put upon.

He must be hitting the sauce early today, his language is more vile than usual for this time of the day.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-02-06   15:42:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: FormerLurker, buckeroo, Buckmonster Fullofit, Nostradumbass, wudidiz, all (#41)

Ah, poor widdle buckie. He is just sooooooooooo put upon.

He must be hitting the sauce early today, his language is more vile than usual for this time of the day.

It's his substitute for wit. Such as it is.

Hey buck! Is it a Sterno or a Mad Dog Day?

"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-02-06   15:45:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: FormerLurker (#38)

You don't even know what Duff_Man and yourself is challenging about the scandalous behavior of all these Bullshit artists that O_I begs to post by Gordon Duff and et al?

I do. Duff_Man knows, too. It relates to the FIRST publick data disclosures from WikiLeaks.

"In a free society we're supposed to know the truth," ... "In a society where truth becomes treason, then we're in big trouble. And now, people who are revealing the truth are getting into trouble for it" -- Ron Paul, circa 2010-12-02

buckeroo  posted on  2011-02-06   15:45:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Original_Intent (#39)

I just don't know if he has green leafy foliage.

I'd say probably not, a vermin infested tree usually doesn't grow much in the way of leaves.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-02-06   15:46:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: buckeroo (#43)

First off, what's all this "Duff Man" bullshit about? Are you a little kid who depends on your ability to call people childish names to "make your point"?

Secondly, regardless of what WikiLeaks published in the past, it's what it's publishing NOW that we are concerned about in terms of whether or not the info is not really info, but DISINFO.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-02-06   15:48:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: FormerLurker, buckeroo, Buckmonster Fullofit, Nostradumbass, wudidiz, all (#44)

I just don't know if he has green leafy foliage.

I'd say probably not, a vermin infested tree usually doesn't grow much in the way of leaves.

Maybe that's why he's so irritable? He has been laid bare and all he can do is scratch.

"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-02-06   15:48:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: FormerLurker (#32)

The Mafia, CIA and George Bush Sr.

U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY

HAPPY2BME-4UM  posted on  2011-02-06   15:49:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: FormerLurker, buckeroo, Buckmonster Fullofit, Nostradumbass, wudidiz, all (#45)

Are you a little kid who depends on your ability to call people childish names to "make your point"?

I take it that was a rhetorical question?

"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-02-06   15:50:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: FormerLurker (#38)

Do you know why Original_Intent is vehemently against anything WikiLeaks produces? All you have to do is use your search engine concerning the FIRST publick disclosures of REAL RAW DATA on the Internet by WikiLeaks. You are more ignorant than I thought, pal.

"In a free society we're supposed to know the truth," ... "In a society where truth becomes treason, then we're in big trouble. And now, people who are revealing the truth are getting into trouble for it" -- Ron Paul, circa 2010-12-02

buckeroo  posted on  2011-02-06   15:50:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Original_Intent, buckeroo (#42)

Hey buck! Is it a Sterno or a Mad Dog Day?

I bet he and Mad Dog know each other quite well. In fact, buck may actually be Mad Dog in drag. They both have the same tolerance for being shown facts and logic, which is ZERO.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-02-06   15:50:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: buckeroo (#49)

I don't care about what WikiLeaks published years ago, as I said, it HAD to release some obvious factual data in order to become credible.

It's what it has released recently or is releasing NOW that is in question.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-02-06   15:52:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: FormerLurker (#30)

Look up how former Secretary of Defense James Forrestal ended up. Look at how JFK, RFK, MLK, and a rather lengthy list of lesser known figures, such as Vince Foster, Ron Brown, and a host of others ended up.

Look up how investigative journalists Danny Casolaro, and Gary Webb ended up.

Hopefully you'll get the idea. Even US Presidents and Defense Secretaries are open game for these folks.

Oh please! Anyone can be murdered. Anyone. So what? That does not prove that they are all-powerful. It only proves that they murder. It has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

Shutting down something in the open, like you suggest that they could have done with wikileaks, is another matter entirely. I'll say it again. Shutting down wikileaks would have been the biggest mistake they could have ever made. IMO they have to handle it the way they have been handling it, by letting the stooges attack WLs motives.

Now, about those "proven lies" that you claim WL has been spreading??? What sayest thou? Don't think I'm just going to let that pass...

.


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PSUSA  posted on  2011-02-06   15:53:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: buckeroo, Buckmonster Fullofit, Nostradumbass, FormerLurker, wudidiz, all (#49)

Poor buckie, now the signs of manic desperation and delusion are showing up. Of course you provide not one shred of evidence for your fantastical chimeras of the, uh, "mind".

D.T.'s bothering you again?

"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-02-06   15:53:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: FormerLurker (#51)

I said, it HAD to release some obvious factual data in order to become credible.

You should care, pal ... it has to do with dispelling 9/11 truthers. And the data WikiLeaks cuts to the chase in 2006 with the elimination of the truther CT.

"In a free society we're supposed to know the truth," ... "In a society where truth becomes treason, then we're in big trouble. And now, people who are revealing the truth are getting into trouble for it" -- Ron Paul, circa 2010-12-02

buckeroo  posted on  2011-02-06   15:55:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: FormerLurker, buckeroo, Buckmonster Fullofit, Nostradumbass, wudidiz, all (#50)

I bet he and Mad Dog know each other quite well. In fact, buck may actually be Mad Dog in drag. They both have the same tolerance for being shown facts and logic, which is ZERO.

I wonder how tight the tolerance is between each other? Wink, wink, nudge, nudge, know what I mean?

And no, logic, chains of reasoning, and rational inference are sadly not to be found among buckie's repertoire. I suspect that they are a foreign language to him.

"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-02-06   15:57:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: buckeroo (#54)

it has to do with dispelling 9/11 truthers

Anyone who would rather swallow physical impossibilities and obvious lies than learn the actual truth of the matter isn't just a retard, they are what is wrong with this country.

And anyone who would attack a person who chooses truth over bullshit is an absolute asshole.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-02-06   16:01:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: PSUSA (#52)

IMO they have to handle it the way they have been handling it, by letting the stooges attack WLs motives.

Nonsense. They've used Homeland Security to shut down sports websites intending to show the Super Bowl, a football game.

None of what WikiLeaks has made public is of any real impact or importance ... it's for PUBLIC CONSUMPTION / Propaganda purposes.

"To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical. " Thomas Jefferson

noone222  posted on  2011-02-06   16:02:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: PSUSA (#52)

Now, about those "proven lies" that you claim WL has been spreading???

That "Al-Queada" is an actual organized group of angry arabs who wish to kill US citizens because they "hate our freedom".

The facts are quite clear in who was behind 9/11, and those same people more than likely run the show over at WikiLeaks.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-02-06   16:04:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: FormerLurker (#51)

I don't care about what WikiLeaks published years ago, as I said, it HAD to release some obvious factual data in order to become credible.

Exactly. A disinformation operation has to first build a credible legend by telling the truth, and in WeakeyLinks case that meant releasing a series of less than earth shattering, but true, disclosures.

Once the cover legend was established then again, in good disinformation form, most of the information released was true but of not stunning significance, and along with that went the seeded disinformation - in order to get it accepted by the Sucker Class - "cuz CNN sed so".

There are a couple of datums early that now loom large and point at what WeakeyLinks is really about:

The puff piece done by the CIA Affiliated Slime (Time) Magazine lauding Assange as the new information messiah - before WeakeyLinks had made even its first release.

And the other was John Young of Cryptome (an apparently legitimate leaker/disclosure site) distancing himself from Assange and WeakeyLinks when the project was still allegedly in development.

"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-02-06   16:04:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: FormerLurker (#56)

Anyone who would rather swallow physical impossibilities and obvious lies than learn the actual truth of the matter isn't just a retard, they are what is wrong with this country.

The data that WikiLeaks released into the publick domain had nothing to do with the outside of the buildings collapsing from say, a reporter's point of view or a government agent's point of view or even the common man running amuck down the streets near the tragedy.

The data provides convincing REAL background data never before understood. Obviously you don't understand why I am opposed to all the truther statements, no matter their perspective; and you and I have gone on and on and on with your sidekick Duff_Man... playing his silly cheerleader crap as he is performing on this thread. He is a pathetic punk, denying the TRUTH he knows.

"In a free society we're supposed to know the truth," ... "In a society where truth becomes treason, then we're in big trouble. And now, people who are revealing the truth are getting into trouble for it" -- Ron Paul, circa 2010-12-02

buckeroo  posted on  2011-02-06   16:07:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: Original_Intent (#59)

Any real truth on the Internet is labeled "conspiracy theory" by the media. If WikiLeaks were actually leaking factual sensitive data, for one, the media would ignore it, and for two, if it WERE acknowledged it'd be made out that all the info was fabricated by some loon.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-02-06   16:08:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: buckeroo (#60)

What sort of 757 can fly several feet off the ground at 500+ mph without even scraping the ground with the wings or the nose?

What pilot can accomplish this impossible feat? One who had problems landing a Cessna? Yeah right.

Those who control the media control the minds of the people. You are obviously one of them who not only are under their control, but spew the nonsense you are brainwashed to believe since you KNOW they are "on your side" and only want what's best for you...


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-02-06   16:12:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: buckeroo (#60)

He is a pathetic punk

Your tirades here prove that you would be the guilty party in terms of that, bucko.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-02-06   16:13:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: FormerLurker (#61)

Any real truth on the Internet is labeled "conspiracy theory" by the media. If WikiLeaks were actually leaking factual sensitive data, for one, the media would ignore it, and for two, if it WERE acknowledged it'd be made out that all the info was fabricated by some loon.

"Conspiracy Theory" has become the all purpose line to shut down rational discourse and making logical connections from publicly available information. An inference made on the data, no matter how logical, or sound, if it points at the truth of matters is immediately attacked by the paid shills, and useful idiots, to shout it down. Notice they never disprove the major points but merely engage in childish histrionics, character assassination, and denial that there is any there, there. They will plant Strawmen and then knock those down - and then use the disproven planted Strawman as proof that "everything" that is not approved of by the Lamestream Media is a (((((shudder)))))), hissssssssssssss, "Conspiracy Theory".

And exactly on the media - valid data is routinely ignored and omitted because it does not fit the approved information, Perception Management, template.

"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-02-06   16:15:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: FormerLurker (#62)

Those who control the media control the minds of the people.

But, the initial releases of RAW FACTUAL DATA from 9/11 by WikiLeaks had nothing to do with the media, per se. It had to do with your attention span and the NEVER BEFORE PUBLISHED MATERIAL clearly shows and issue about the truther movement.

And that material shows a problem with Original_Intent's FUCKED_UPPED point of view, day and night about conspiracy theories. Would you like me to post the material and links on 4um?

"In a free society we're supposed to know the truth," ... "In a society where truth becomes treason, then we're in big trouble. And now, people who are revealing the truth are getting into trouble for it" -- Ron Paul, circa 2010-12-02

buckeroo  posted on  2011-02-06   16:19:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: FormerLurker (#58)

That "Al-Queada" is an actual organized group of angry arabs who wish to kill US citizens

I don't see that as a lie. Where I differ from the official story is in who's behind them and who drives arabs into that .org due to our conduct, as well as israhells conduct.

Then there are the times that people are claimed to have AQ "connections", which is probably bullshit. IMO they just mention AQ because that is what people think of when it comes to terrorism.

They do want to kill us. I can't say that I blame them too much. I'd be out for blood too if someone invaded the US and murdered a few tens of millions of citizens, all because they got some enemy nigger general to show some cartoonish drawings of WMD trailers, and held up a vial of fucking powdered sugar and called it "anthrax". Yep. The streets would run red with their blood. I would kill until I could kill no more.

You confuse your opinions with "proven lies". If WL lies, then where is your PROOF?

.


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PSUSA  posted on  2011-02-06   16:22:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: Original_Intent (#64)

An inference made on the data, no matter how logical, or sound, if it points at the truth of matters is immediately attacked by the paid shills, and useful idiots, to shout it down.

Whenever I see a poster get extremely rude and vulgar, launch into character assassination as a modus operendi of their "argument", and ignore any real facts or logic, then I have a pretty damn good idea what that "poster" really is.

yukon is the head shillster of LP, taking the place of BeAChooser who was really much more polite (most of the time at least), who outlived his usefullness after his mild mannered tactics didn't work out as intended. yukon is crude and vulgar, but it apparently works for him and he manages to stiffle any intelligent discussions that need to be silenced.

Hence we have the likes of buckeroo here on 4um. I'm surprised he doesn't launch into homoerotic fantasies and diatribes.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-02-06   16:24:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: PSUSA (#66)

They do want to kill us. I can't say that I blame them too much. I'd be out for blood too if someone invaded the US and murdered a few tens of millions of citizens

They didn't USED to want to kill us till we invaded their country, a country which had NOTHING to do with the 9/11 attacks.

Now when you look at Israeli involvement in the attacks, why are we sending them billions of dollars each year along with advanced weaponry?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-02-06   16:26:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: PSUSA (#66)

You confuse your opinions with "proven lies". If WL lies, then where is your PROOF?

Do you really believe the "19 hijackers" really hijacked those airplanes on the morning of 9/1/2001?

Did you know that at least some of them are still alive?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-02-06   16:28:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: FormerLurker (#67)

yukon is the head shillster of LP, taking the place of BeAChooser who was really much more polite (most of the time at least), who outlived his usefullness after his mild mannered tactics didn't work out as intended. yukon is crude and vulgar, but it apparently works for him and he manages to stiffle any intelligent discussions that need to be silenced.

Hence we have the likes of buckeroo here on 4um. I'm surprised he doesn't launch into homoerotic fantasies and diatribes.

More than once I have dwelt on the similarities between bucktard and yuktard. Both have a similar M.O. i.e., to disrupt discussion and debate on lines of inquiry that tend to expose the operations behind the curtain.

Whenever I see a poster get extremely rude and vulgar, launch into character assassination as a modus operendi of their "argument", and ignore any real facts or logic, then I have a pretty damn good idea what that "poster" really is.

True - you are either dealing with someone who is very immature, someone who is trying to stifle discussion, or someone who is trying to discredit a point by sheer volume and vileness rather than with any intelligent counter argument.

"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-02-06   16:30:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: Original_Intent (#64)

"Conspiracy Theory" has become the all purpose line to shut down rational discourse and making logical connections from publicly available information.

That's because you are a heated bag of shit spreading a foul odor no matter your perspective, Duff_Man.

Contact your pal, Gordon Duff about why he despises Julian Assange. I know the reasons, pal. And here is a new conspiracy theory for you ... you don't.

ROTFL.

"In a free society we're supposed to know the truth," ... "In a society where truth becomes treason, then we're in big trouble. And now, people who are revealing the truth are getting into trouble for it" -- Ron Paul, circa 2010-12-02

buckeroo  posted on  2011-02-06   16:31:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: Original_Intent (#70)

True - you are either dealing with someone who is very immature, someone who is trying to stifle discussion, or someone who is trying to discredit a point by sheer volume and vileness rather than with any intelligent counter argument.

I lean more towards paid disinfo specialist.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-02-06   16:32:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: All (#72)

Well gang, I'd love to carry on this delightful discussion here, but it IS SuperBowl Sunday and I have more important things to do. Have a great day.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-02-06   16:33:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: buckeroo (#71)

That's because you are a heated bag of shit spreading a foul odor no matter your perspective, Duff_Man.

Your gutter language dirties this forum every time you come here.

It gets tiresome.

Cynicom  posted on  2011-02-06   16:34:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: FormerLurker (#69)

Not to mention that Osama Ben Goldstein most likely died of Kidney Failure in the mountains of Tora Bora in December 2001.

And as well we get the lowball estimates of the numbers of Iraqi non-combatants killed at 150,000 when the best of the independent estimates puts the low end at about 1.5 MILLION.

WeakeyLeaks is there to "catapult" and reinforce key elements of the official propaganda/lies.

"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-02-06   16:34:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: FormerLurker (#73)

ENJOY!!

"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-02-06   16:36:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: Cynicom (#74)

Blame your POS daily slap-a-back foul smelling scum bag, colleague believing in CTs, Duff_Man.

"In a free society we're supposed to know the truth," ... "In a society where truth becomes treason, then we're in big trouble. And now, people who are revealing the truth are getting into trouble for it" -- Ron Paul, circa 2010-12-02

buckeroo  posted on  2011-02-06   16:36:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: Original_Intent (#75)

Not to mention that Osama Ben Goldstein most likely died of Kidney Failure in the mountains of Tora Bora in December 2001.

And as well we get the lowball estimates of the numbers of Iraqi non-combatants killed at 150,000 when the best of the independent estimates puts the low end at about 1.5 MILLION.

WeakeyLeaks is there to "catapult" and reinforce key elements of the official propaganda/lies.

BLATHER... more and more BLATHER....

You don't like Julian Assange and WikiLeaks because...... they released RAW FACTUAL DATA about your 9/11 CT.

And you can't find it.

ROTFL.

"In a free society we're supposed to know the truth," ... "In a society where truth becomes treason, then we're in big trouble. And now, people who are revealing the truth are getting into trouble for it" -- Ron Paul, circa 2010-12-02

buckeroo  posted on  2011-02-06   16:38:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: FormerLurker (#72)

True - you are either dealing with someone who is very immature, someone who is trying to stifle discussion, or someone who is trying to discredit a point by sheer volume and vileness rather than with any intelligent counter argument.

I lean more towards paid disinfo specialist.

I lean more towards LOW paid disinfo specialist.

There, fixed it.

"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-02-06   16:39:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: buckeroo, The wound too tight club, Little buckie, Buckmonster Fullofit, Nostradumbass, Cynicom (#77)

Impressive buck. The total lack of taste, or even a slight modicum of mannerly behavior is particularly notable for its total vacancy.

"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-02-06   16:41:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: FormerLurker (#69)

Now when you look at Israeli involvement in the attacks, why are we sending them billions of dollars each year along with advanced weaponry?

Because they are the only democracy in the ME. /s

We do it because the kikes are parasites. They have always been parasites and always will be parasites. At least until they are wiped out. I hope to live to see the day that happens. Then I can die a happy man, with a big smile on my face.

Do you really believe the "19 hijackers" really hijacked those airplanes on the morning of 9/1/2001?

I have a tendency to disbelieve it. I tend to believe it was a MOSSAD operation with CIA help. But I don't pretend to know what really happened. Anyone that says that they know what happened is a fucking liar.

.


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PSUSA  posted on  2011-02-06   16:43:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: Original_Intent (#80)

Your fucked-uped thread spreading lies, innuendo, rumours, gossip and BS.

What do you expect:

Oh thank you O_I, very informative! I love you!

ROTFL.

"In a free society we're supposed to know the truth," ... "In a society where truth becomes treason, then we're in big trouble. And now, people who are revealing the truth are getting into trouble for it" -- Ron Paul, circa 2010-12-02

buckeroo  posted on  2011-02-06   16:44:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: FormerLurker (#73)

Well gang, I'd love to carry on this delightful discussion here, but it IS SuperBowl Sunday and I have more important things to do. Have a great day.

The Steelers are about to drop kick the cheese heads back to Wisconsin.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2011-02-06   16:45:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: buckeroo (#77)

Blame your POS daily slap-a-back foul smelling scum bag, colleague believing in CTs, Duff_Man.

Anyone is free to believe what they want

Your constant usage of gutter language has nothing to do with that concept.

This is NOT your forum, you are a guest as are all of us. There is no need for your constant barrage of coarse, obscene gutter language. Good people with civil respectful intent leave here because of the likes of you. I personally resent that.

Are you the only offender on a personal basis? By no means. Now and again others that refuse any social civility are given a leave of absence.

I bozo no one, read your posts, but such as this offends me. Drop the coarse language and beat on anyone you like, no problem.

Cynicom  posted on  2011-02-06   16:46:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: buckeroo (#82)

"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-02-06   16:46:57 ET  (2 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: buckeroo (#78)

You don't like Julian Assange and WikiLeaks because...... they released RAW FACTUAL DATA about your 9/11 CT.

And you can't find it.

That's his excuse.

OI cares nothing about factual data. Speculation is where The Real Action is for him. If he can get people to concentrate only on his idiotic speculations, then he did his job.

.


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Jesus Never Existed

PSUSA  posted on  2011-02-06   16:51:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: Original_Intent (#80)

Impressive buck.

Do you want me to post the very earlier publick works from WikiLeaks on 4um? Do you want to know why Assange is solidly against the truther movement and also want to know why I (too) side with the RAW FACTUAL BASIS of the 9/11 tragedy?

Want to know why many people around the world understand the SCOPE of WikiLeaks without CT cunning and clever suggestions about "if, I think" and so forth?

Afterall, Julian Assange has mirror sites all over the planet not operated by by anyone other than us wee, little people. But what do you have? Nothing more than a bag of hot aire, meddling with Gordon Duff's out-of-pocket crap he squezzes daily on your chin because you despise the MSM.

WikiLeaks isn't the MSM, pal.

"In a free society we're supposed to know the truth," ... "In a society where truth becomes treason, then we're in big trouble. And now, people who are revealing the truth are getting into trouble for it" -- Ron Paul, circa 2010-12-02

buckeroo  posted on  2011-02-06   16:54:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: PSUSA, Original_Intent, FormerLurker, Cynicom (#86)

OI cares nothing about factual data. Speculation is where The Real Action is for him. If he can get people to concentrate only on his idiotic speculations, then he did his job.

Not just that, if he found SERIOUS PUBLICATION OF RAW DATA DETAILING FACTS that suggested that his infamous Gordon Duff BS was all fabricated, he wouldn't produce it anyway.

He is a one-sided CT'er ... he has no nails; no knowledge, no truth, no facts; Duff_man has nothing but a theory to cling to. He doesn't even know why he instinctively despises Julian Assange: he refuses to produce what I know he knows.

"In a free society we're supposed to know the truth," ... "In a society where truth becomes treason, then we're in big trouble. And now, people who are revealing the truth are getting into trouble for it" -- Ron Paul, circa 2010-12-02

buckeroo  posted on  2011-02-06   17:00:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: Cynicom (#84)

This is NOT your forum, you are a guest as are all of us. There is no need for your constant barrage of coarse, obscene gutter language.

Drop the coarse language and beat on anyone you like, no problem.

Perfect reprimand, Cyni ... thanks for stating such.

The liars (Israel is the only democracy in the middle east) and those using gutter language should start their own forum. They won't, though, because they have found this to be their playground.

Solution: Ignore, ignore, and ignore again.

Phant2000  posted on  2011-02-06   17:09:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: PSUSA, Original_Intent, FormerLurker (#86)

That's his excuse.

Did you notice, Duff_Man and his sidekick, FL didn't ask me to produce the data that I taunted them with? They know about it; it lets the aire out of their bag of evil tricks denying the truth. They are playing possum because their CT crapola is realizing an expiration date concerning both WikiLeaks and 9/11.

I beat these two proven idiots down before about 9/11 CT on threads longer than most on 4um based on on the physics, the technology and FACTS. And, I have never used WikiLeaks data before. Ohhhhhh, they shun that stuff.

"In a free society we're supposed to know the truth," ... "In a society where truth becomes treason, then we're in big trouble. And now, people who are revealing the truth are getting into trouble for it" -- Ron Paul, circa 2010-12-02

buckeroo  posted on  2011-02-06   17:16:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: buckeroo (#88)

Not just that, if he found SERIOUS PUBLICATION OF RAW DATA DETAILING FACTS that suggested that his infamous Gordon Duff BS was all fabricated, he wouldn't produce it anyway.

He is a one-sided CT'er ... he has no nails; no knowledge, no truth, no facts; Duff_man has nothing but a theory to cling to. He doesn't even know why he instinctively despises Julian Assange: he refuses to produce what I know he knows.

Agreed.

I think the smart ones, the ones that think for themselves and to hell with what everyone else says, can see that.

The dumb ones, well, sucks to be them. I guess they love snipe hunts and wild goose chases. But I have to say, the dumb ones are rather entertaining.

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Judges 1 19 The LORD was with the men of Judah. They took possession of the hill country, but they were unable to drive the people from the plains, because they had chariots fitted with iron. Iron is gods Kryptonite. More lulz

Jesus Never Existed

PSUSA  posted on  2011-02-06   17:20:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: buckeroo, PSUSA, Original_Intent (#90)

I beat these two proven idiots down before about 9/11 CT on threads longer than most on 4um based on on the physics, the technology and FACTS

No, what you did is publically beat off while IGNORING ANY AND ALL facts based on physics and technology. You stomped your feet and expected people to lose their brain cells, hoping that they'll believe impossible tales that defy the laws of physics.

You are a shillster, and had YOUR ass handed to you on those 9/11 threads to a point you turned them into obscene filled tirades between you and your now absent sidekick, AGAviator, where finally you cried to christine that myself and others had "ruined" your thread where it was YOU and your pal that did exactly that with your foul language and dispicable comments.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-02-06   17:43:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: buckeroo (#90)

Post the WikiLeaks 9/11 "info" there Homer.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-02-06   17:43:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: FormerLurker, Cynicom (#92)

No, what you did is publically beat off while IGNORING ANY AND ALL facts based on physics and technology.

Wait until Cynicom places you on ignore for your publick abuse of vulgar language and/or insinuations thereof.

But there is a lot more about your lies. You even conceded the research I performed that the technical details of the cabin door's were out of date thus proving your own CT, which you have shown you can't research. The passenger jet aircraft were not equipped with the upgrades that your own CT Aussie researcher was ill-equipped to perform.

I beat you down. You know it, too. You are a much easier target spouting Internet crapola that you heard than Duff_Man that hides behind a few choice words that he opened up within his conspiratorial lexicon; but both of you couldn't dispute the truth of those threads concerning physics and/or technological changes that happen over time.

"In a free society we're supposed to know the truth," ... "In a society where truth becomes treason, then we're in big trouble. And now, people who are revealing the truth are getting into trouble for it" -- Ron Paul, circa 2010-12-02

buckeroo  posted on  2011-02-06   17:52:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: FormerLurker (#93)

Nope. I am not. You had the opportunity and refused the same within my gracious open window asking you for an opportunity. The door is slammed on your dick.

If I choose, I shall select a new thread as I see fit providing facts, figures and details that are based on RAW DATA concerning 9/11.

"In a free society we're supposed to know the truth," ... "In a society where truth becomes treason, then we're in big trouble. And now, people who are revealing the truth are getting into trouble for it" -- Ron Paul, circa 2010-12-02

buckeroo  posted on  2011-02-06   17:55:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: buckeroo, The wound too tight club, Little buckie, Buckmonster Fullofit, Nostradumbass, FormerLurker (#90)

You're a hoot buckie. You've had your head returned to you so many times it is likely that it's now attached with Velcro™.

However, it is dreadfully amusing to watch your puffery and posturing, It's kind of like observing a pimp on Saturday Night. You don't want anything to do with it but it holds a strange fascination to look and see which phantasmagorical delight you will next present from within the bizarro reality you inhabit.

"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-02-06   18:06:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: FormerLurker, Buckmonster Fullofit, buckeroo, Nostradumbass, all (#95)

Nope. I am not. You had the opportunity and refused the same within my gracious open window asking you for an opportunity. The door is slammed on your dick.

If I choose, I shall select a new thread as I see fit providing facts, figures and details that are based on RAW DATA concerning 9/11.

Translation: Blowing smoke as usual. When called on it he goes into a childish tirade to try and hide the fact that he was letting his ass speak for him. Again. As usual.

"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-02-06   18:09:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: Original_Intent (#96)

By you? You need to get away from your own looking-glass watching your own hot aire? I am not on 4um all that much ... other than to watch you wiggle around. Now, don't take that as a compliment; it is intended as an admonishment of your own publick behaviour, you lying sack of BS.

"In a free society we're supposed to know the truth," ... "In a society where truth becomes treason, then we're in big trouble. And now, people who are revealing the truth are getting into trouble for it" -- Ron Paul, circa 2010-12-02

buckeroo  posted on  2011-02-06   18:13:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: Original_Intent (#97) (Edited)

Blowing smoke as usual.

Nope. Your lies don't deserve a rebuttal on your stinckin' thread dismissing WikiLeaks in an apparent defensive posture from myself. You and your pal, FL have lost again.

As I choose, I shall create an all new thread to watch you grovel in your own despair bringing about the publick awareness of not just social discourse, FACT based upon raw data unfiltered from your nasty and evil one-sided arguments but to suggest that there is light about the discussion of truth. You lose.

Why, I am even of thinking of Cynicom, FormerLurker, Phant200 and our infamous forum hostess, christine to ensure a faire appeal towards a decent publick discussion.

"In a free society we're supposed to know the truth," ... "In a society where truth becomes treason, then we're in big trouble. And now, people who are revealing the truth are getting into trouble for it" -- Ron Paul, circa 2010-12-02

buckeroo  posted on  2011-02-06   18:20:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: All (#97) (Edited)

HUNNERT!!!!!!!!

"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-02-06   18:22:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: All, Cynicom, FormerLurker, Phant2000, christine, Original_Intent AKA the living Duff_Man (#99)

bump to post above

"In a free society we're supposed to know the truth," ... "In a society where truth becomes treason, then we're in big trouble. And now, people who are revealing the truth are getting into trouble for it" -- Ron Paul, circa 2010-12-02

buckeroo  posted on  2011-02-06   18:29:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: buckeroo (#101)

yeah, with about a 2:1 view to post ratio. Not exactly something to brag about. IOW, no one cared enough to read it, except the few that posted here, for entertainment purposes.

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PSUSA  posted on  2011-02-06   18:36:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: PSUSA, Original_Intent, All (#102)

HUNNERT!!!!!!!!

Isn't it clear and substantiated PROOF that the thread's own sanctimonious, self-aggrandizer author is just looking for something beyond real discussion?

PSUSA, I have a lot of problems with Duff_Man's posts as those same posts are not based on factual data but hearsay. He posts his threads and later posts proving my own hypothesis. As yourself, we don't want him to feel ashamed of his apparent characteristics; we must think of ourselves when as we have time, to teach him manners within a social community looking for truth far beyond:

HUNNERT!!!!!!!!

"In a free society we're supposed to know the truth," ... "In a society where truth becomes treason, then we're in big trouble. And now, people who are revealing the truth are getting into trouble for it" -- Ron Paul, circa 2010-12-02

buckeroo  posted on  2011-02-06   18:44:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#104. To: PSUSA, Original_Intent (#102)

yeah, with about a 2:1 view to post ratio.

Good point.

Proof is in the pudding (to use an olde cliche) that Original_Intent lost this thread; one of the worst viewing ratios ever on 4um.

I think we are Duff_Man's only friends on 4um. At least we are willing to tell him our reasonable perspectives as opposed to stroking him as so many perform on 4um all day long on the Internet. But what more can we do? Afterall, its his thread.

"In a free society we're supposed to know the truth," ... "In a society where truth becomes treason, then we're in big trouble. And now, people who are revealing the truth are getting into trouble for it" -- Ron Paul, circa 2010-12-02

buckeroo  posted on  2011-02-06   18:54:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#105. To: PSUSA, Original_Intent (#102)

yeah, with about a 2:1 view to post ratio. Not exactly something to brag about.

I have decided to set up an Internet viewing bot, to make Duff_Man feel are though more worthwhile in life. FACTS:

Title: Wikileaks: CoIntelPro Psyop Source: Don't Tread On Me URL Source: http://dont-tread-on.me/wikileaks-cointelpro-psyop Published: Feb 5, 2011 Author: Silver Shield Post Date: 2011-02-05 13:25:59 by Original_Intent Keywords: Wikileaks, disinformation, PsyOp, Fraud

Views: 264 Comments: 104

That should make Duff_Man feel much better. The viewing numbers should be above 1,000 tonite giving Duff_Man a better ratio for his own ego. I only do the same so he can argue with own ID as he plays with himself. I still submit, that all of this stuff is not his own fault but that some of the posters stroke the poor ol' guy on the Internet.

All posters of 4um should be ashamed of themselves for stroking Duff_Man!

"In a free society we're supposed to know the truth," ... "In a society where truth becomes treason, then we're in big trouble. And now, people who are revealing the truth are getting into trouble for it" -- Ron Paul, circa 2010-12-02

buckeroo  posted on  2011-02-06   19:13:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: PSUSA, All, Original_Intent AKA Duff_Man (#105)

My GOD! Already Original_Intent should feel humiliated from my own home computer(s) while he fucked his own thread up. Look at the stats. And noone can catch me running scripts and bots.

Duff_Man is now into the 6+ viewing angle while he strokes himself thinking someone reads his fecal matter.

Even the 4um logs know the IP addys are original. I just have to love this shit that Original_Intent believes that his shit don't stink. LOL.

"In a free society we're supposed to know the truth," ... "In a society where truth becomes treason, then we're in big trouble. And now, people who are revealing the truth are getting into trouble for it" -- Ron Paul, circa 2010-12-02

buckeroo  posted on  2011-02-06   20:32:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#107. To: buckeroo (#106)

knock it off, buckeroo. Cynicom is correct in his #84. are you capable of discussion without the vulgarity? it is a turnoff to me and many others who post and/or lurk here.

christine  posted on  2011-02-06   20:58:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#108. To: PSUSA, Original_Intent, Cynicom (#106)

Don't despair, lots of us on the Internet know how to tunnel while making and creating responsible posts. As for Original_Intent and those such as Cynicom, go fuck yourselves.

"In a free society we're supposed to know the truth," ... "In a society where truth becomes treason, then we're in big trouble. And now, people who are revealing the truth are getting into trouble for it" -- Ron Paul, circa 2010-12-02

buckeroo  posted on  2011-02-06   21:01:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#109. To: christine (#107)

knock it off, buckeroo.

Yes maam... what ever YOU FUCKING SAY maam.

"In a free society we're supposed to know the truth," ... "In a society where truth becomes treason, then we're in big trouble. And now, people who are revealing the truth are getting into trouble for it" -- Ron Paul, circa 2010-12-02

buckeroo  posted on  2011-02-06   21:02:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#110. To: buckeroo (#108)

you're history

christine  posted on  2011-02-06   21:04:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#111. To: christine (#107)

He knows what he is doing. He is systematically trying to make the thread unreadable.

"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-02-06   21:06:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#112. To: buckeroo (#109)

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"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-02-06   21:11:13 ET  (2 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#113. To: christine (#110)

you're history

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!! That was better than watching Green Bay get a touchdown.

Phant2000  posted on  2011-02-06   21:34:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#114. To: christine, *ban buckeroo* (#110)

you're history


No Planes. Think about it. ................. Guaranteed Penetration (no it's not porn)

wudidiz  posted on  2011-02-07   0:23:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#115. To: buckeroo, christine, wudidiz (#109)

Yes maam... what ever YOU FUCKING SAY maam.

That was uncalled for. I don't understand where that even came from. I really don't.

@ buckeroo: If you can see this, I'd like to know what was going through your head. You can email me at surrealworld@fastmail.fm if you want.

*ban buckeroo*

One down, one to go! lol

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"All Israel had one million one hundred thousand men who drew the sword, and Judah had four hundred and seventy thousand men who drew the sword. 1 Chronicles 21:5 Bigger than the US Army! lulz

Judges 1 19 The LORD was with the men of Judah. They took possession of the hill country, but they were unable to drive the people from the plains, because they had chariots fitted with iron. Iron is gods Kryptonite. More lulz

Jesus Never Existed

PSUSA  posted on  2011-02-07   10:28:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#116. To: Original_Intent (#112)

Shucks, and I was going to smack him down now that I have time today to do so.

Oh well, I've got more important things to do anyways.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-02-07   11:10:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#117. To: Jethro Tull (#83)

The Steelers are about to drop kick the cheese heads back to Wisconsin.

Looks like that didn't work out so well JT. Maybe next year, eh?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-02-07   11:17:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#118. To: PSUSA, christine, Original_Intent, FormerLurker, *ban buckeroo* (#115)

One down, one to go! lol


No Planes. Think about it. ................. Guaranteed Penetration (no it's not porn)

wudidiz  posted on  2011-02-07   11:34:23 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#119. To: FormerLurker (#117)

Looks like that didn't work out so well JT. Maybe next year, eh?

Football lesson #1: Avoid turnovers.

Football lesson #2: See lesson #1.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2011-02-07   12:15:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#120. To: Jethro Tull (#119)

I refuse to gloat. 'nuff said.

Damn! It's tough being magnamanimous. ;-)

"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-02-07   13:44:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#121. To: Original_Intent, Jethro tull (#120)

Citizen Tull eats deflated football tonite for dinner, bladder and all.

With side dish of ketchup of course. hehehehehehehehehe

Cynicom  posted on  2011-02-07   13:48:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#122. To: Original_Intent (#120)

Damn cheesehead!! :P

Jethro Tull  posted on  2011-02-07   13:52:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#123. To: Cynicom (#121)

Deflated football just might taste better than some upcoming crow I suspect I might be eating.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2011-02-07   13:54:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#124. To: Cynicom, Jethro Tull (#121)

With side dish of ketchup of course. hehehehehehehehehe

Not only that it's one of your 5 vegetables a day. Ronnie sed' so.

I'm thinking though of a nice tossed GREEN Salad with some fresh CHEESE.

"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-02-07   14:08:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#125. To: Jethro Tull, Cynicom (#122) (Edited)

Here we go, the perfect after Superbowl treat:


Green Cheese
a.k.a. Grüner Käse (green cheese)

"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-02-07   14:12:15 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#126. To: christine (#110)

you're history

Of course you know that he'll be back. Maybe next time as his "Shauwn" character, or maybe "Yukon's Auntie" or something like that. He doesn't seem to have any shortage of screen names to use when folks get tired of his bs and ban him.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace

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