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Title: PATRIOT ACT EXTENSION FAILS
Source: Campaign for Liberty
URL Source: http://AbMail
Published: Feb 8, 2011
Author: C4L
Post Date: 2011-02-08 20:32:58 by abraxas
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Views: 2901
Comments: 90

PATRIOT ACT EXTENSION FAILS

Thanks to your dedicated efforts, the motion to suspend the rules and pass the extension of three PATRIOT Act provisions failed tonight in the House of Representatives! Since they were attempting to pass it on the suspension calendar, the vote required two thirds (290 members) of the House to agree to it.

The vote came down to the wire, and you could hear the arms breaking on Capitol Hill out here in Springfield, VA.

By a vote of 277-148, the House failed to pass the extension - click here for the roll call vote to see how your representative voted!

Thanks again for all you've done, but remember, we can't let up pressure now. This won't be the last we've heard of the PATRIOT Act renewal in the House.

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#2. To: abraxas, *Bilderberg and NWO Watch* (#0)

'House out of order' after first blockage of Patriot Act in ten years

Artisan  posted on  2011-02-08   20:36:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

...87 new Republican Congressmen and 13 new Republican Senators were sworn into office last month. Many of them claim to hold 'Tea Party' limited government type values. Yet out of the 87 new Republicans in the House, we had a gain of only 16 votes against the Patriot Act compared with last year.

So much for the TEA Party being an agent of change within the GOP....but I'm glad the extension failed nonetheless.

X-15  posted on  2011-02-08   20:44:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

However it died, and whoever killed it, I could care less.

Keep 'em coming.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2011-02-08   21:48:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

these rats will bring it up for another vote before feb 28. you know it.

Artisan  posted on  2011-02-08   21:53:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

www.washingtonpost.com/wp...2/08/AR2011020806345.html

Artisan, I think we need to allow at least one day to celebrate a small, but important victory.

Patriot Act extension fails in the House by seven votes

House rejects Patriot Act extension

More than two-dozen House Republicans bucked their party to oppose the measure that would extend three key provisions in the counterterrorism law.

By Paul Kane and Felicia Sonmez Washington Post Staff Writers Tuesday, February 8, 2011; 9:21 PM

House Republicans suffered an embarrassing setback Tuesday when they fell seven votes short of extending provisions of the Patriot Act, a vote that served as the first small uprising of the party's tea-party bloc.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2011-02-08   22:03:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

you got it. i am doing a comparison between who voted for what. now there were 87 new gop congressman sworn in last month. Last year, only 10 gop congressmen voted no on the patriot act. this year, it was 26, a gain of 16.

16 out of 87 is small %, but it did the trick. i will list all of them as well as those who claimed tea party status yet voted yes on it.thes thigns are important to expose the rats.

mcclintock, a previous fave candidate of mine here in ca, is one who i criticized for voting yes on it last year. he voted no this time round, for some reason.

Artisan  posted on  2011-02-08   23:19:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Last year, only 10 gop congressmen voted no on the patriot act. this year, it was 26, a gain of 16.

More than doubled -- about 62% more. Applause!

Re: this problematic flashback from your 'House out of order' link at Post #2:

Ten Republicans who voted no to renew Patriot Act in 2010

Martin Hill

May 9th, 2010 5:10 am PT

On February 25th, Congress voted to renew three sections of the Patriot Act which were set to expire. They did so in a secretive way, lumping the 'Patriot Act' renewal into a group of other bills that were set to expire. In effect, they bundled the bills into one vote as to avoid public debate or publicity on the matter. So at 7:25 PM on a Thursday night, it was extended for another year, in bill H R 3961 titled Medicare Physician Payment Reform Act.

That skullduggery of lumping bills together should be abolished. So should their redundant maneuvers at taxpayer's expense to force legislation that's been voted down back onto the floor before the ink has even dried. The States should nullify any such reprehensible, steamrolled legislation -- as well as any bills not read and debated before voting, like the oxymoronic "PATRIOT" Act of 2001 -- and bill the DC offenders for the time.

GreyLmist  posted on  2011-02-09   4:30:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

That skullduggery of lumping bills together should be abolished.

ALL things FEDERAL should be abolished - terminated !

noone222  posted on  2011-02-09   4:39:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

ALL things FEDERAL should be abolished - terminated !

And then what? Anarchy? I agree there needs to be some massive rollbacks. You might like this new book by Tom Woods:

Who’s Afraid of a Free Society?

by Thomas E. Woods, Jr.

Today is the release date for my new book, Rollback : Repealing Big Government Before the Coming Fiscal Collapse. It could just as easily have been called Everything Needs to Be Abolished, and Here’s Why.

[sic]

let’s suppose that the federal government has in fact been an enemy of the people’s welfare, and that the progress in our living standards has occurred quite in spite of its efforts. It pits individuals, firms, industries, regions, races, and age groups against each other in a zero-sum game of mutual plunder. It takes credit for improvements in material conditions that we in fact owe to the private sector, while refusing to accept responsibility for the countless failures and social ills to which its own programs have given rise. Rather than bringing about the "public good," whatever that means, it governs us through a series of fiefdoms seeking bigger budgets and more power. Despite the veneer of public-interest rhetoric by which it camouflages its real nature, it is a mere parasite on productive activity and a net minus in the story of human welfare.

Now if this is a more accurate depiction of the federal government, we are likely to have a different view of the consequences of the coming fiscal collapse. So an institution that has seized our wealth, held back the rise in our standard of living, and deceived schoolchildren into honoring it as the source of all progress, will have to be cut back? What’s the catch? This is no calamity to be deplored. It is an opportunity to be seized. The primary purpose of the book, therefore, is to demonstrate that we would not only survive but even flourish in the absence of countless institutions we are routinely told we could not live without.

GreyLmist  posted on  2011-02-09   6:07:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

And then what? Anarchy?

State and County Government are more than sufficient. And, if they became dictatorial, shut them off too.

Look, I wouldn't call it anarchy ... I'd call it UNarchy. What we have today is the most sophisticated and intrusive techno-dictatorship to have ever existed on planet earth. Personally, I don't like it one bit and am quite willing to go it alone or with a group of my choosing.

To those people that think of themselves as self sufficient, independent, self- starters, self-motivated, whatever best fits your own description of yourselves, to sit back and watch these anti-freedom ghouls steal every last crumb, to squeeze out every last drop of blood, to shit all over freedom as well as murder all over the world, I say prove it.

I much prefer anarchy to this highly organized blitzkrieg rolling out from D.C.

If it's FEDERAL it's fucked. Get it ? There isn't anything good or even well intended oozing out of that cess pit, so stop fucking financing it if you have an ounce of backbone or intestinal fortitude.

Otherwise you are a traitor to yourself and everyone else that's ill effected through your most generous contributions to the FEDERAL RESERVE SYSTEM / IRS / War Mongering, fucking satan. Got it yet ??? Talk is cheap. Freedom has a price attached to it.

Look in the fucking mirror and catch a glimpse of the REAL ENEMY of FREEDOM. Yes ! It's you !!! Followers of the Great Satan in D.C. [Bend down and lick the boot of your master].

April 15th "IS" April FOOL's DAY !

Don't hate me for stating the truth.

noone222  posted on  2011-02-09   6:55:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I much prefer anarchy to this highly organized blitzkrieg rolling out from D.C.

A highly organized blitzkrieg of Anarchy is precisely what's been rolling out from D.C. for far too long -- Anarchy against the Constitution.

If it's FEDERAL it's fucked. Get it ? There isn't anything good or even well intended oozing out of that cess pit, so stop fucking financing it if you have an ounce of backbone or intestinal fortitude.

Otherwise you are a traitor to yourself and everyone else that's ill effected through your most generous contributions to the FEDERAL RESERVE SYSTEM / IRS / War Mongering, fucking satan. Got it yet ??? Talk is cheap. Freedom has a price attached to it.

Look in the fucking mirror and catch a glimpse of the REAL ENEMY of FREEDOM. Yes ! It's you !!! Followers of the Great Satan in D.C. [Bend down and lick the boot of your master].

April 15th "IS" April FOOL's DAY !

I'm not seeing any guidance there on what you think needs to be done for people, employed or not, to be able to stop the financing of that hellionry.

Don't hate me for stating the truth.

I don't hate you for stating what you believe is the truth. Don't hate me for reminding you that you took an oath to protect and defend the Constitution, not replace it with more Anarchy.

GreyLmist  posted on  2011-02-16   3:18:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I'm not seeing any guidance there on what you think needs to be done for people, employed or not, to be able to stop the financing of that hellionry.

To stop financing the destruction of our country we must all say no together. If and when we do that we will end it.

Don't hate me for reminding you that you took an oath to protect and defend the Constitution, not replace it with more Anarchy.

When I was an 18 year old kid and still believed in our country I took an oath to support and defend the Constitution from "all" enemies both foreign and domestic. At the time I took the oath I was informed that until I left the military I had forfeited the "rights" protected by it. (All of this was long before "w" said the CON- sti-stupid was just a GD piece of paper).

I'm much older and far more realistic today. I do not "swear" oaths, nor do I feel compelled by the one taken as a part of my enlistment in the military. I personally consider AMERICAN TAXPAYERS the enemy of humanity.

Further, that oath, in my mind, was fulfilled the day my obligations to the military were satisfied and wasn't a perpetual commitment to an abstract concept requiring me to support unquestioned murder. And besides that, the U.S. Govt never upheld their end of the deal nor did the U.S. Govt ever intend to keep it.

These abstract pledges of allegiance or oaths to the CONstitution will never make murder or international genocide a righteous activity regardless of the "patriotic" spin." These things are childish falsehoods developed by evil people to convince us to murder each other.

The "killing machine" that we call government creates all of these abstract obligations and endless patriot promises to fill the empty heads of our youth (and borderline mentally retarded idiots) like the "sugar plums" that dance there for "childen" at Christmas time, which then justifies their murderous activity. Fucking ridiculous.

What I mean to say is that these oaths obligating 18 year old children to a tyrant or tyrannical government are pure bullshit and those taking them are what the "bull-shits" ... ignorant excrement.

Americans are accomplices to genocide and cannot hide behind bullshit excuses when justice does her thing. We will reap the whirlwind we have sewn.

America has allowed NAFTA and GATT, treasonous acts against their own interests, to stand for decades. This has destroyed many first time employment opportunities for our youth (and others) causing them to seek military positions as an alternative employment in order to have and support their families. We've effectually made them mercenaries and death merchants.

Call it what you will, but every act causes an equal and opposite reaction. Justice or karma will demand payment of us.

noone222  posted on  2011-02-16   6:02:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I don't believe in "karma", nor the cliche that there is an equal and opposite reaction to every act, nor collective punishment as "Justice". I'd rather not have to see people such as yourself as allies against the destruction of our country only to the point where I would see Victory in a re-alignment with our Constitutional form of government, then as enemies of it thereafter prolonging conflict and the agenda to destroy our Republic. Of course the Constitution is just a piece of paper to those who have no respect for it like Bush. Doesn't make that so for those of us who do respect it, so why believe those like him and agree to throw your lot in with the enemies of it? Even if they outnumber us and have more arms, they don't really represent America. I'm thinking we should do more practical things than "Just say No" in unison -- like building our own economy, payment system, and credit unions to help people to opt out of the imposters' schematics. I think you're a Christian so I hope these verses will help you to better distinguish between Constitutionalists and alien system (s) invasion forces:

Mark 8:23-35

23 He took the blind man by the hand and led him outside the village. When he had spit on the man’s eyes and put his hands on him, Jesus asked, “Do you see anything?”

24 He looked up and said, “I see people; they look like trees walking around.”

25 Once more Jesus put his hands on the man’s eyes. Then his eyes were opened, his sight was restored, and he saw everything clearly.

GreyLmist  posted on  2011-02-16   19:33:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I'd rather not have to see people such as yourself as allies against the destruction of our country only to the point where I would see Victory in a re-alignment with our Constitutional form of government, then as enemies of it thereafter prolonging conflict and the agenda to destroy our Republic. Of course the Constitution is just a piece of paper to those who have no respect for it like Bush. Doesn't make that so for those of us who do respect it, so why believe those like him and agree to throw your lot in with the enemies of it?

The Constitution is ignored by the politicians because it's ignored by the people - you included. The reason I say this is because you likely justify your use of unconstitutional programs such as Socialist Security or participate in programs of some type that have no constitutional support.

The Constitution doesn't exist at all from a practical application viewpoint. (Judges state this fact daily in courtrooms all over Amerika). Most of the people that continue to beg the FEDS for "change" ... aren't even aware of their heavy addiction to the FED. This group challenging the FED for "change" are not only Obama supporters, the Tea Partiers are equally delusional.

Looking at pictures of Tea Party gatherings is almost like watching an AARP flick. Are these folks accepting Government benefits ? If so, they are rationalizing their participation and criticizing others for the same conduct.

If you are still a card carrying SOCIALIST using an SSN for any purpose then your respect for the Constitution is truly limited to whenever it's advantageous to you.

The FEDERAL SYSTEM itself is UN-constitutional. The Constitution demands lawful money, that being Gold and Silver coin (backed currency) - the FEDERAL SYSTEM demands fiat currency and commercial credit. While you'd like to think that you're a constitutionalist, you're not.

EDIT: The point is that many, many speak about the Constitution while hardly any qualify for it. The many "trespasses against the Constitution that we're witnessing are actually the legal method of governance in the FEDERAL SYSTEM, the Constitution doesn't exist in the FEDERAL SYSTEM ... the Constitution can only exist where it's honored not where it's alluded to or spoken about. And, in order for the Constitution to have dominion the monetary system cannot be corrupted, but must operate constitutionally with lawful constitutional money. NO EXCEPTIONS.

noone222  posted on  2011-02-17   6:42:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

If you can see somewhere in the Constitution that the Federal government has to use gold and silver backed currency only, show me where exactly. The words "gold" and "silver" only appear once each and only regarding the States, not the Federal government. You still don't seem to be seeing the difference between our Constitutional Federal system and the sham system that has no real legitimacy or authority to do anything here or abroad, coercively or not. And I'm still not seeing what it is that you think needs to be done to accomplish liberation from SS and independence from the imposters' system so the "workerbees" and less fortunates will be good enough by your standards to be counted as Constitutionalists. I'm not on SS but citizens who want to work legally don't get much choice about it being taken from them. What should they do? Say, "Just keep all of our money"? I'm not even going to ask if your money and whatever is all unblemished. If you can help from there to promote alternative and competing currency systems, though, I'd appreciate it.

GreyLmist  posted on  2011-02-18   5:30:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I'm not on SS but citizens who want to work legally don't get much choice about it being taken from them.

That was a slick response - While you may not be "on it" you are "IN IT" up to your eyeballs. Your response appears to be made with a modicum of regret since you attempt to side step the issue (of being a card carrying socialist) or being a socialist pretending to be a Constitutionalist.

Most Americans want their cake and eat it too but it doesn't work that way. No one forces anyone to take advantage of FEDERAL SOCIALIST BENEFITS by joining the Social Security Insurance Program (scheme). It's called the law of reciprocity. Contracts and trusts are formed through actions as well as by written agreements.

There is no law that makes having a Social Security Card or Account a mandate in order to live and work in the United States.

The Constitution states "that no state shall make anything other than gold or silver coin payable for debt" ... do you pay for permits, licenses or fines in silver or gold coin ? Is your State accepting other than Constitutional money ? Why do you think there's yet a Constitutional Government ?

We have no Constitutional Government today because the people have become dumbed down, do not understand laws or money, are lazy, weak and have lost their pride and independence.

I do not have a Social Security Account. I work.

You still don't seem to be seeing the difference between our Constitutional Federal system and the sham system that has no real legitimacy or authority to do anything here or abroad, coercively or not.

I think you may have it backwards. The FEDERAL (reserve bank) GOVT is legally legitimate (and it's the one every Social Security Card carrier is in) but it's definitely not Constitutional. It's a commercial imposter that grants mere privileges for its members, not rights. It operates under the laws of commerce not Constitutional Common-Law. It serves itself not the people.

Your system has crime without a victim. The Constitutional Common Law system only recognizes a crime when there is a victim.

I'm only calling it your system because you finance it as a member through taxation and "CONTRIBUTIONS" to the Socialist Security Scam.

noone222  posted on  2011-02-18   12:44:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

While you may not be "on it" you are "IN IT" up to your eyeballs. Your response appears to be made with a modicum of regret since you attempt to side step the issue (of being a card carrying socialist) or being a socialist pretending to be a Constitutionalist.

4um Social Security is not an “entitlement” program: [Social Security] is NOT an entitlement program nor was it intended to be any form of welfare. The “entitlement” the government speaks of would be more aptly applied to them; they feeling they are entitled to avail themselves of our investments and use that money for whatever they choose to.

There is no law that makes having a Social Security Card or Account a mandate in order to live and work in the United States.

Have you noticed in your area that hospitals, about two decades ago, started pressuring the parents of newborns to fill out SS# forms for their babies before taking them home? I have. Very odd.

The Constitution states "that no state shall make anything other than gold or silver coin payable for debt" ... do you pay for permits, licenses or fines in silver or gold coin ? Is your State accepting other than Constitutional money ?

Please review 4um thread: Clean Money

I do not have a Social Security Account. I work.

Americans can scarcely find jobs here as it is. I don't think the answer is to make it even harder for them to be hired. Still, I'd like to hear how you think they could go your route without being largely unemployed under the current circumstances. Also, I'd like to hear what you think people should do if they find that their "managed" pensions and other investments have been profitable because they were unknowingly sunk into the MIC and Israeli companies and such? Should they cash out and donate all of the ill-gotten profits to charities?

GreyLmist  posted on  2011-02-20   15:29:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#88. To: GreyLmist (#87)

4um Social Security is not an “entitlement” program: [Social Security] is NOT an entitlement program nor was it intended to be any form of welfare. The “entitlement” the government speaks of would be more aptly applied to them; they feeling they are entitled to avail themselves of our investments and use that money for whatever they choose to.

Have you noticed in your area that hospitals, about two decades ago, started pressuring the parents of newborns to fill out SS# forms for their babies before taking them home? I have. Very odd.

Americans can scarcely find jobs here as it is. I don't think the answer is to make it even harder for them to be hired. Still, I'd like to hear how you think they could go your route without being largely unemployed under the current circumstances. Also, I'd like to hear what you think people should do if they find that their "managed" pensions and other investments have been profitable because they were unknowingly sunk into the MIC and Israeli companies and such? Should they cash out and donate all of the ill-gotten profits to charities?

I agree with you that we have been duped (actually born) into a fraudulent system. We only disagree on the necessary response in order to correct it.

When you speak of them using our money to do things you have it ass backwards ... IT'S THEIR MONEY ... and when we use it they attach an invisible lien to everything (ie., property tax - sales tax - vehicle registrations etc.,) via the STATE.

The solution lies with us choosing to do what is Constitutional because they can't even though they have sworn oaths to uphold the Constitution. The contracts clause in the Constitution forbids them from interfering with our right to contract. So, when we contract into the system that accepts usage of fiat currency and credit (commercial instruments), we leave the jurisdiction of the Constitutional Republic and enter the SOCIALIST DEMOCRACY. This paradigm shift is wicked and a very subtle change that has been incrementally put into place by criminal bankers, politicians and attorneys.

The only peaceful process for recovering our lost liberty is abstinence from usage of their system to whatever degree is possible. Even then there's little chance that the PTB will leave the people to their own choices without a civil war. They usually choose war and chaos as a means to implement changes "that they want" !

I guess what I'm saying is that we must first diagnose the problem correctly. We are in effect living with a brutal spouse that beats us continually and we keep hoping for a change that isn't going to happen unless we divorce.

Have you noticed in your area that hospitals, about two decades ago, started pressuring the parents of newborns to fill out SS# forms for their babies before taking them home? I have. Very odd.

My son recently admitted that he would soon become a dad. We discussed all of the "demands" put upon new parents such as ascribing a SSN to the newborn. I suggested that they not name the child until they get home from the hospital.

That being said, our system is strikingly similar to the feudal system. Under feudal law, the serfs were forced to "PLEDGE a LIEGE" to their noble by having their children kiss his ring at an early age, pledging loyalty and service for life. That's what tatooing your kid with an SSN does too. [Nothing's what it seems is it ?]

Pledge of ALLEGIANCE: (Origin: 1350–1400; Middle English aliegiaunce, equivalent to a- probably a-5 + liege liege + -aunce -ance; compare Middle French ligeance

noone222  posted on  2011-02-21 05:48:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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