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Title: Is the lost city of Atlantis on Google Maps? (Telegraph)
Source: Seattle Post-Intelligencer/London Torygraph
URL Source: http://blog.seattlepi.com/thebigblo ... ves/238865.asp?from=blog_last3
Published: Feb 10, 2011
Author: Nick Eaton
Post Date: 2011-02-10 21:53:50 by Original_Intent
Keywords: Archaeology, Atlantis, Ancient, Civilization
Views: 924
Comments: 69

It's rectangular. It certainly looks man-made. It's off the coast of North Africa. It's deep underwater. And it's on Google Maps.

Could it be the ancient lost city of Atlantis?

That's what Bernie Bamford, a British aeronautical engineer, wondered after he spotted an unusual pattern of rectangles on the floor of the Atlantic Ocean, The Telegraph newspaper reports. About the size of Connecticut, the pattern looks an awful lot like an aerial grid map of a city.

Images from Google Maps
A section of the ocean floor off of North Africa has a curiously man-made look to it. Check the site out on Google Maps.

Check the site out on Google Maps. Here's an excerpt from The Telegraph report:

Atlantis experts said that the unexplained grid is located at one of the possible sites of the legendary island, which was described by the ancient Greek philosopher Plato.

According to his account, the city sank beneath the ocean after its residents made a failed effort to conquer Athens around 9000 B.C.

Dr Charles Orser, curator of historical archaeology at New York State University told The Sun that the find was fascinating and warranted further inspection.

You can read more about the intriguing find at The Telegraph's website. Check out the Atlantis Wikipedia page for more info on the mythical city.


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#19. To: GreyLmist (#17)

Clicking on the image on google maps gives this writing:

Siempre hay un cielo azul para nuestros ojos

translates (roughly) to "there is always a blue sky to our eyes"

Before I read that, when first looking at the picture, what stood out most was the ultra-blue sky.

You never see the sky that blue anymore.


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wudidiz  posted on  2011-02-11   7:00:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: PSUSA (#18)

Oh. You again.

the "roads" are at least a mile wide
so they had really big cars


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wudidiz  posted on  2011-02-11   7:03:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: wudidiz (#20)

Oh. You again.

You knew I couldn't stay away.

so they had really big cars

Crystal powered and psychically steered, I'm sure. Perhaps Duff Man will enlighten us as to his theories on this. I can only hope.

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PSUSA  posted on  2011-02-11   7:10:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: PSUSA (#21)

Crystal powered and psychically steered, I'm sure

Seems more plausible than the "artificial data remnants" explanation from "firm debunker" Steve Miller.

Mile wide "artificial data remnants"? Yeah.... I'm not buying it.


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#23. To: wudidiz (#22)

I'm not buying it.

That does not surprise me. Not at all.

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PSUSA  posted on  2011-02-11   7:26:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Original_Intent (#0)

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Posted by Feez at 2/10/2011 12:05 p.m.

have you ever seen pictures of Giant's causeway in Northern Ireland? nature does some pretty unique things. Atlantis was a fable nothing

Yes well I wonder myself if the Giant's Causeway is actually natural. I was there in August '07, my head had hard time accepting it was natural. I believe there are similar formations on the opposite shore in the Mull of Kintyre.

Solutions for Ireland. Say NO to the IMF/World bank. Default on our debt. Print our own debt free currency. Nationalise the trillion euros worth of gas and oil off our west coast. Take back our fishing (200 billion worth). Get our farmers growing again. Done deal if our politicians had the backbone. ~ Jim Corr

irishthatcherite  posted on  2011-02-11   8:35:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Original_Intent (#0)

Is the lost city of Atlantis on Google Maps? (Telegraph)

I wish it was available on Street View.. a submersible Google car... lol

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irishthatcherite  posted on  2011-02-11   8:36:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: wudidiz (#20)

the "roads" are at least a mile wide

Maybe they built their metropolis in strips, the "roads" being their buildings with open fields between them.

It would be more attractive than modern cities all crowded up.

TooConservative  posted on  2011-02-11   8:36:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: TooConservative, the thread (#26)

Maybe they built their metropolis in strips, the "roads" being their buildings with open fields between them. It would be more attractive than modern cities all crowded up. ...

Seems more plausible than the "artificial data remnants" explanation from "firm debunker" Steve Miller. ...

the "roads" are at least a mile wide so they had really big cars

Sounds like one of those pseudo-scientific bullshit phrases trolls throw around. Like "persistent contrails" or "exterior column buckling" due to "fire weakened trusses"

Exactly. Right angles do not occur in nature. Rectangular, right angled layouts betray the hand of man.

The corners of the area are too perpendicular and occurring in too many instances to be formed naturally. You can definitely see the hand of man in those line formations.

This is some good stuff! lol


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PSUSA  posted on  2011-02-11   8:51:33 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: PSUSA (#27)

I like the subject. The evidence isn't strong enough yet but there is enough reason for more research. We may discover the antediluvian world had a history beyond anything we can imagine.

It is a modern vanity that modern man has been around such a short time and that science has only arisen once in the West. I see no reason to believe that.

Almost nothing is really new. We see this over and over.

I think it's something of a holdover from the old Christian teachings about a young-earth creation, going back only 5500 years. It somehow still stifles historical and scientific imagination.

The past of mankind may be much wilder than imagined.

TooConservative  posted on  2011-02-11   12:07:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: TooConservative (#28)

I like the subject.

So do I. But the OP is crap. Unless you too think that this shows a 100x80 mile city with streets about a mile wide and huge fields in between streets.

The past of mankind may be much wilder than imagined.

Yep. Or at least much wilder than we were ever taught.

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PSUSA  posted on  2011-02-11   12:39:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Original_Intent (#0)

"If ever this vast country is brought under a single government, it will be one of the most extensive corruption, indifferent and incapable of a wholesome care over so wide a spread of surface. This will not be borne, and you will have to choose between reform and revolution. If I know the spirit of this country, the one or the other is inevitable." - Thomas Jefferson

Turtle  posted on  2011-02-11   12:50:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: PSUSA (#29)

Unless you too think that this shows a 100x80 mile city with streets about a mile wide and huge fields in between streets.

Why not a metro area of 100x80 with strips of city in 1-mile strips with fields and forest land or jungle between them?

Something about those lines does not look like nature. Nature abhors right angles.

TooConservative  posted on  2011-02-11   13:00:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: abraxas (#2)

I'm looking forward to the Lake Vostok discovery, how ' bout you?

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TommyTheMadArtist  posted on  2011-02-11   13:05:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: TooConservative (#31)

Something about those lines does not look like nature. Nature abhors right angles.

That's because it's not natural.

I already posted the explanation, and it comes from the source. If you don't believe that, that's your business.

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PSUSA  posted on  2011-02-11   13:14:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#32)

I'm looking forward to the Lake Vostok discovery

Oh yes, the secret Nazi base theory and other weirds things about that lake.

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irishthatcherite  posted on  2011-02-11   13:37:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#32)

I'm looking forward to the Lake Vostok discovery, how ' bout you?

When she thaws the swimming will be spectacular. : )

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abraxas  posted on  2011-02-11   13:48:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: irishthatcherite (#34)

other weirds things about that lake.

Tides.......under the ice.

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abraxas  posted on  2011-02-11   13:49:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: PSUSA, wudidiz, GreyLmist, irishthatcherite, abraxas, FormerLurker, all (#7)

While sound waves are considered to be more effective than satellites for mapping strips of the ocean floor, they’re often more expensive and time-consuming to use. “The boats have to go slowly. Otherwise, they make a lot of noise and can wash out the readings,” said Mr. Miller. As a result, boats are used less frequently, leaving fewer gridlike sonar patterns visible on Google Earth’s map of the ocean. ...

Bullshit.

One can look at the grid lines and contrast them with the surrounding ocean bottom. The thing that stands out when one actually looks at the evidence rather that regurgitating o'fishul attempts to explain unusual observations away is that the features recorded are not superficial lines but are sunk into the topography of the site.

Further while lines could form from Sonar Mapping, an area in which I am trained and experienced, it does not form topographical features and the irregularities of the bottom are reported with reasonable accuracy depending upon the operating frequency of the system. The higher the frequency the more detailed the map. The problem of course with high frequency mapping is that you have to use a towed transducer as the higher the frequency the shorter the range. (Which is why anti-submarine sonars operate at lower frequencies to extend the range, and then rely on digital processing to clarify the signal.) Typical operating frequencies for towed sidescan mapping sonars is around 200 KHZ - which is a compromise between range and accuracy. It's an engineering trade off.

Once again you demonstrate your abysmal ignorance and propensity for regurgitating o'fishul lyins' - Troll.

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Original_Intent  posted on  2011-02-11   13:53:36 ET  (2 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Original_Intent (#37)

Once again you demonstrate your abysmal ignorance and propensity for regurgitating o'fishul lyins' - Troll.

If you cant convince people with the truth, you again try to baffle them with bullshit, by making a big deal about various types of sonar and their freqs.

That "city" is about 100x80 miles. 8,000 sq miles, give or take. You are intentionally ignoring the scale of this. I can see why you would ignore that, since acknowledging it would shoot down your idiotic ideas about this being atlantis or whatever the fuck you think it is.

So, I'm right, and you're wrong. Again.

The article I posted is the legitimate answer.

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PSUSA  posted on  2011-02-11   14:20:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: PSUSA, BSUSA, Bill D Berger, Former Lurker, TwentyTwelve, wudidiz, irishthatcherite, gengis ghandi, christine, Lady X, all (#38)

No, I am not understating the scale YOU are making an ASSUMPTION unwarranted by the data.

You assume, because of all of the indoctrination of history and archaeology much of which was set in stone in the 19th century, that all ancient civilizations were small and primitive. That is AN ASSUMPTION which is contradicted by readily available evidence:

The Pyramids at Giza

Baalbek in Lebanon

Easter Island

Moenjho Daro and Harrapa

Tiahunaco

Ollanyaytambo

Nazca

Prehistoric India - a ruin has been located and roughly mapped off of the Northeast Indian coast which is the size of Manhattan.

Malta

And that is just scratching the surface. I could go on listing other sites of greater and lesser extent for at least a good hour.

The reality is that human civilization goes much further back into antiquity that we have heretofore been led to misbelieve. The scale and quantity of massive megalithic stone ruins are testimony to a great degree of civilization in the time before what we now call recorded history. Only small minds are intimidated by the scale. I would simply point at the scale and suggest that it is suggestive of a very large area that has seen the hand of intelligence, intent, and a purpose which we are as yet unaware of.

However, I would expect evidence to be of no consequence to you as you have your script and you'll stick to it. After all that's what you are paid to do.

And no you did not post an explanation you posted an attempt to explain the data away in the context of a preconceived world view and O'fishul story. Nothing more. It is at very best an unproved hypothesis which is not supported by the observed data. In other words it is an attempt to explain away not explain.

Later Troll.

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Original_Intent  posted on  2011-02-11   14:50:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Original_Intent (#39) (Edited)

That is AN ASSUMPTION which is contradicted by readily available evidence:

The Pyramids at Giza

Baalbek in Lebanon

Easter Island

blah blah blah

Name one city that was 8,000 sq miles in area. Or name something that was even close.

Here's something to put this all in context, so simple that even you can understand it.

I-80 is 2900 miles long. It connects Teaneck NJ to SF Cali.

Now Imagine that interstate being 2.75 miles wide. Build a city on that, along its entire length all the way across the country. That is how big your google earth image is.

The reality is that human civilization goes much further back into antiquity that we have heretofore been led to misbelieve. The scale and quantity of massive megalithic stone ruins are testimony to a great degree of civilization in the time before what we now call recorded history. Only small minds are intimidated by the scale. I would simply point at the scale and suggest that it is suggestive of a very large area that has seen the hand of intelligence, intent, and a purpose which we are as yet unaware of.

More baffling with bullshit.

Your diatribe does not prove the OP is anything than what the article I posted says it is. It doesn't even address it. I'm sure that is intentional on your part.

And no you did not post an explanation you posted an attempt to explain the data away in the context of a preconceived world view and O'fishul story. Nothing more. It is at very best an unproved hypothesis which is not supported by the observed data. In other words it is an attempt to explain away not explain.

More bullshit.

It was explained, not "explained away". But you don't like the explanation because it's not weird enough for you. That's not my problem. It's something that you might want to bring up with your therapist though.

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PSUSA  posted on  2011-02-11   15:07:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: PSUSA, BSUSA, Bill D Berger, Former Lurker, TwentyTwelve, wudidiz, irishthatcherite, gengis ghandi, christine, Lady X, all (#40)

Name one city that was 8,000 sq miles in area. Or name something that was even close.

Did I say it was a city?

NO I did not. I said that the anomaly is constructed with right angles and therefore is an artifact of intelligent construction/design. What it is exactly is as yet undetermined as the data set is incomplete. We have an anomaly and the explanation that it is a sonar mapping artifact is not congruent with known sonar signatures. And your attempt to use the scale of the artifact as somehow disproving artificiality is a Strawman Argument. Prejudices notwithstanding the data is what the data is. A canal system could show up at this scale. Guatemala, which was discovered only by Satellite Photography, is criss crossed coast to coast by an ancient canal system now overgrown by jungle. Yet it was built at time unknown by civilization unknown, and is not recorded in any surviving text.

Further the anomaly occurs in isolation with no other similar "sonar" artifacts provided as support of that hypothesis. The anomaly disrupts the bottom topography which therefore is a datum contrary to the "sonar" hypothesis. Therefore the sonar artifact hypothesis is not proved and the evidence suggests that it is not a valid explanation of the observed data. I am not ruling it out I am simply saying that based upon the observed data it is unsupported as a hypothesis which thus diminishes it's possibility of being a valid explanation.

And my argument, despite the needles, was founded upon logic, data, and a chain of reasoning tying the two together. Thus your attempt to categorize it with the misleading label is nothing more than a personal attack unsupported by any evidence or sound reasoning and thus is nothing more than Argumentum Ad Hominem Troll.

I presume mind reading is another one of your many "talents"?

"It was explained, not "explained away". But you don't like the explanation because it's not weird enough for you. ..."

Thus violating two of the logical fallacies:

Appeal To Misleading Authority

Argumentum Ad Hominem

Q.E.D.

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Original_Intent  posted on  2011-02-11   15:53:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: irishthatcherite (#34)

I was thinking of all the fish. I mean, untainted, unpolluted fish.

Of course, there's the other side of that coin. They could be incredibly hungry, and incredibly huge. Lovecraftian in scope.

If only my dreams would come true.

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TommyTheMadArtist  posted on  2011-02-11   15:59:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Original_Intent (#41)

A canal system could show up at this scale. Guatemala, which was discovered only by Satellite Photography, is criss crossed coast to coast by an ancient canal system now overgrown by jungle. Yet it was built at time unknown by civilization unknown, and is not recorded in any surviving text.

Show me such a canal system that is DIRECTLY visible from well over 100 miles in space. A canal system would not show up at that scale. And you know it. You would only see the indirect signs that a canal might be there. Unless, of course, you use a spy satellite. But I don't think that google earth uses those...

And my argument, despite the needles, was founded upon logic, data, and a chain of reasoning tying the two together.

OMFG that is hilarious! You have no logic, or data, so it is impossible to tie the two together. All you have is a google earth image.

And your attempt to use the scale of the artifact as somehow disproving artificiality is a Strawman Argument.

The hell it is! LMFAO!

It's so damn funny that you are trying so hard to use logic to disprove my mathematically correct illustration. You can't do it.

If it was a kajillion bajillion sq miles in area, would it also be a "strawman" argument? lol!

You might be able to sucker your acolytes into believing your crap, but you are going to have a much harder time with me. And if it was so obvious that I am wrong, then it would be self-evident and responding to me would be pointless. But you find that you must address my points, because they blow your "points" out of the water. Hence, your attempts to baffle with bullshit.

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Jesus Never Existed

PSUSA  posted on  2011-02-11   16:11:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: TommyTheMadArtist, irishthatcherite (#42)

I still recall the Shark I sighted off of the Great Barrier Reef of Australia. That, pardon my french, was the biggest motherfucking Shark I have ever seen. While the bulk of it was under the water the dorsal fin and tail fin which were sticking above the ocean surface, and this is just an estimate, were at least 25 feet apart. That implies a shark of at least 35 to 40 feet in length. There have been unconfirmed reports by Florida Fishermen of sharks longer than their fishing boats which are typically about 42 feet. So, we are still short of knowing it all (by a long ways).

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Original_Intent  posted on  2011-02-11   16:14:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: PSUSA, BSUSA, Bill D Berger, Former Lurker, TwentyTwelve, wudidiz, irishthatcherite, gengis ghandi, christine, Lady X, all (#43)

Show me such a canal system that is DIRECTLY visible from well over 100 miles in space. A canal system would not show up at that scale. And you know it. You would only see the indirect signs that a canal might be there. Unless, of course, you use a spy satellite. But I don't think that google earth uses those...

Notice the right angled layout of the canals. Conventional mainstream Archaeology attributes the canals to the Maya which raises more questions than it answers as the canal system, which has now been verified by on the ground teams, is so extensive and complex as to have taken likely several hundred years to construct - at a minimum.



IKONOS satellite image revealing linear features that may have been Mayan irrigation canals. NASA/MSFC


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Mayan canal systems even more complex

Posted on by judugrovee

It was a well known fact so far, that the Maya built small canal systems. The archeological evidence is very clear about that, there have been found several diggings for irrigation already in the 1970s. This was one fact that spoke for the high developed agriculture of the Maya, who had to fight against poor conditions like heat and wetlands around their settlements, in order to grow the needed amount of plants.

After all, they had to supply big cities with enough food to survive, in the late pre-classic and early classic era. It had been some kind of puzzle so far, how they managed that.

Now however, the archeologists Timothy Beach and Sheryl Luzzadder-Beach amongst others made a discovery in the lowlands, more exact in today’s Guatemala and Belize. They discovered trails of huge canal systems, up to 100km in diameter. They found, that those systems were highly complex and was used to reclaim swampland. The findings suggest, that the digging material was positioned on the area between the canals and thereby created raised acres for the cultivation of Maize, Avocado and grasses that are yet to be identified. This finding provides new insights into the agriculture and especially its irrigation in ancient eras, and how the big cities could be supplied at all.

For those who are interested in the Carbon isotopic ratio method and those who have an account at sciencedirect.com, you can find the abstract and article about that, at sciencedirect.com.

And so Buzzard Breath you again make an ass and a fool of yourself, but then that's par for the course.

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Original_Intent  posted on  2011-02-11   16:40:32 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Original_Intent (#0)

This is an old story. It was explained as "boat mapping lines" on The Telegraph website.

I have no idea if that's what it is. By now someone should have gone out there and looked at the thing just to be sure.
If it is Atlantis, it'd be a shame to have it dismissed as "boat mapping lines".


Armadillo  posted on  2011-02-11   16:57:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Armadillo (#46)

This is an old story. It was explained as "boat mapping lines" on The Telegraph website.

If you read back through the thread I already disposed of that assertion.

And even the Torygraph admitted that one of the scientists they spoke said the lines deserved further investigation.

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Original_Intent  posted on  2011-02-11   17:01:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Original_Intent (#45)

I know what you're thinking. Yep. I know.

You're thinking "HA! HA! I got him now!!!"

Well, not so fast, Duff Man.

I am leading you around by the nose and you don't see it.

You did produce a pic that shows canals. Congrats! Thing is, I knew that there were similar pics out there.

Does this help you prove your case, that these are man made? Nope.

They discovered trails of huge canal systems, up to 100km in diameter.

Diameter? Perhaps the writer meant "length"? Or perhaps the width of the entire network? I don't know what the hell she is babbling about "diameter" for.

Perhaps she meant 100 km from a central point? No, that would be a 100 km radius.

Let's say that she meant "length". So what? None of this means that your OP shows canals or anything else man made. See, I caught you in another attempt at baffling with bullshit, although it might be considered to be entrapment.

You are trying to make this all a part of your idea of "data". It's not data because it does not address the issue of the OP. But you already know this.

You are coming up with an idea, that this is man made, and then trying to find data to fit it. Just because there are canals on this planet does not mean that your OP shows canals, or anything else that is man made (other than sonar returns), much less show canals that are about a mile wide if the scaling is correct.

But if you want to think that all this is man made, knock yourself out. I just thought it was interesting to see how easily I could lead you around.

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PSUSA  posted on  2011-02-11   17:27:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: PSUSA, BSUSA, Bill D Berger, Former Lurker, TwentyTwelve, wudidiz, irishthatcherite, gengis ghandi, christine, Lady X, all (#48)

Have your ears popped today?

Well, you spend 7 or 8 poorly organized paragraphs trying to spin your way out of the fact that you just made an ass of yourself, and have NO CASE. There is one virtue in your confused mishmash the paragraphs may be a confused mish mash but they are, gratefully, short.

Your assertion was, which I disproved USING EVIDENCE (something totally lacking in your spin), was that there were no satellite photos of the extensive Guatemalan Canal System. In refutation I simply provided a satellite photograph showing them and an article which spoke of the ongoing scientific investigation and mapping of the canal system which you said did not exist.

You can't have it both ways, and I won't let you get away with trying to blow smoke up everybody's ass.

And the only place you lead me to was showing that you had no clue about what you are pontificating about. In short, you have no argument, no evidence, and no case.

Later Troll.

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Original_Intent  posted on  2011-02-11   17:38:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Original_Intent (#49)

Some right angles in nature - geology more particularly.

"Tessellated Pavement is a rare geological erosion phenomena that occurs in some sedimentary rocks located more or less by the shore. The rock fractures into polygonal blocks that resemble tiles. This occurs in several places around the world, but the most obvious one is definitely in Tasmania, at Eaglehawk Neck on the Tasman Peninsula."

It is a violation of Natural Law to use this document in a manner inconsistent with its labeling.

randge  posted on  2011-02-11   17:47:25 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Original_Intent (#49) (Edited)

Your assertion was, which I disproved USING EVIDENCE (something totally lacking in your spin), was that there were no satellite photos of the extensive Guatemalan Canal System.

You found proof that I already knew existed. You want a cookie? So, you do know what proof is. The problem is, you are selective and deceptive in the application of proof.

You provided no proof that the OP and your assertions that this is man made. Your assertions included "(((((8th Continent Ping))))) " Its not a continent and " Exactly. Right angles do not occur in nature. Rectangular, right angled layouts betray the hand of man. "

In short, you have no argument, no evidence, and no case.

Were you looking in a mirror when you wrote that?

Gotcha, Duff Man! lol

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PSUSA  posted on  2011-02-11   17:49:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: PSUSA (#51)

Oh gosh. I am just so stricken.

The old "of course I knew it all along but just threw some shit on the wall" defense.

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Original_Intent  posted on  2011-02-11   18:36:19 ET  (3 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: randge (#50)

"Tessellated Pavement is a rare geological erosion phenomena that occurs in some sedimentary rocks located more or less by the shore. ..."

I stand corrected. However, it is admittedly very rare, and as the picture shows it occurs on a relatively small scale. Generally, standing by my earlier contention, modified to reflect the counter evidenc, right angles very rarely occur in nature and are generally, when observed, the result of intelligent intent and construction.

So, is it your contention then that the observed anomaly was at one time part of a sea coast?

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Original_Intent  posted on  2011-02-11   18:53:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Original_Intent (#52) (Edited)

The old "of course I knew it all along but just threw some shit on the wall" defense.

You go right ahead and think that way. I hope you do. Really, I do. It makes things easier for me.

Do you know what your weakness is? I'll go ahead and tell you what I think it is, because you will never change it. It is this: I don't recall you ever saying "I don't know". Instead of saying those 3 simple words, which is a perfectly honorable and honest thing to do, you make things up.

The things that you make up might or might not have truth in them. An exampe of that is you bringing up the flood in the Med. It's totally off topic but that doesn't stop you. And you do this constantly.

But that truthfulness, or the lack thereof, doesn't matter. What matters is that you think it helps you build your case for something that is totally bogus.

Guess who is going to wait for you to do that again? And do you know why I do it? Because it's fun. I hate posers. And you are a poser.

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Judges 1 19 The LORD was with the men of Judah. They took possession of the hill country, but they were unable to drive the people from the plains, because they had chariots fitted with iron. Iron is gods Kryptonite. More lulz

Jesus Never Existed

PSUSA  posted on  2011-02-11   18:55:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: PSUSA (#54)

But that truthfulness, or the lack thereof, doesn't matter. What matters is that you think it helps you build your case for something that is totally bogus.

No, it allows me to hold you up for ridicule for your poor manners and slipshod reasoning.

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Original_Intent  posted on  2011-02-11   18:59:24 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Original_Intent (#55)

I say this is man made in ancient times. lol

There are a lot of right angles in there... That's all the proof we need.


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"All Israel had one million one hundred thousand men who drew the sword, and Judah had four hundred and seventy thousand men who drew the sword. 1 Chronicles 21:5 Bigger than the US Army! lulz

Judges 1 19 The LORD was with the men of Judah. They took possession of the hill country, but they were unable to drive the people from the plains, because they had chariots fitted with iron. Iron is gods Kryptonite. More lulz

Jesus Never Existed

PSUSA  posted on  2011-02-11   19:43:54 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: PSUSA (#56)

What is this image of?

It is better to be hated for what you are, than loved for what you are not. - Tommy The Mad Artist. I went to Chernobyl, and all I got was this glow in the dark T-shirt. - Tommy The Mad Artist.

TommyTheMadArtist  posted on  2011-02-11   19:47:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: TooConservative (#26)

the "roads" are at least a mile wide

Maybe they built their metropolis in strips, the "roads" being their buildings with open fields between them.

It would be more attractive than modern cities all crowded up.

Reasonable guess, thank you :)


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wudidiz  posted on  2011-02-11   22:07:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: TooConservative, Original_Intent, christine, GreyLmist, *Post Of The Day* (#28)

I like the subject. The evidence isn't strong enough yet but there is enough reason for more research. We may discover the antediluvian world had a history beyond anything we can imagine.

It is a modern vanity that modern man has been around such a short time and that science has only arisen once in the West. I see no reason to believe that.

Almost nothing is really new. We see this over and over.

I think it's something of a holdover from the old Christian teachings about a young-earth creation, going back only 5500 years. It somehow still stifles historical and scientific imagination.

The past of mankind may be much wilder than imagined.

Very well said, thank you.


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wudidiz  posted on  2011-02-11   22:10:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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