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Title: Is the lost city of Atlantis on Google Maps? (Telegraph)
Source: Seattle Post-Intelligencer/London Torygraph
URL Source: http://blog.seattlepi.com/thebigblo ... ves/238865.asp?from=blog_last3
Published: Feb 10, 2011
Author: Nick Eaton
Post Date: 2011-02-10 21:53:50 by Original_Intent
Keywords: Archaeology, Atlantis, Ancient, Civilization
Views: 884
Comments: 69

It's rectangular. It certainly looks man-made. It's off the coast of North Africa. It's deep underwater. And it's on Google Maps.

Could it be the ancient lost city of Atlantis?

That's what Bernie Bamford, a British aeronautical engineer, wondered after he spotted an unusual pattern of rectangles on the floor of the Atlantic Ocean, The Telegraph newspaper reports. About the size of Connecticut, the pattern looks an awful lot like an aerial grid map of a city.

Images from Google Maps

A section of the ocean floor off of North Africa has a curiously man-made look to it. Check the site out on Google Maps.

Check the site out on Google Maps. Here's an excerpt from The Telegraph report:

Atlantis experts said that the unexplained grid is located at one of the possible sites of the legendary island, which was described by the ancient Greek philosopher Plato.

According to his account, the city sank beneath the ocean after its residents made a failed effort to conquer Athens around 9000 B.C.

Dr Charles Orser, curator of historical archaeology at New York State University told The Sun that the find was fascinating and warranted further inspection.

You can read more about the intriguing find at The Telegraph's website. Check out the Atlantis Wikipedia page for more info on the mythical city.

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Original_Intent  posted on  2011-02-10   21:55:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I'm a few chapters into a book (The Atlantis Blueprint) that claims Atlantis is Antarctica. The premise is that a pole shift moved the continent to harsher climate from a location closer to the equator that was more hospitable to life.

The authors work on the Hapgood premise that claims that prior to 9,600 BC the Arctic Circle was centered on Hudson Bay (60N 83W) and the Antarctic Circle was in the South Indian Ocean (60S 97E). Hapgood collaborated with Einstein on his theory of earth crust displacement and discovered some maps indicating sub glacial Antarctica.

I'm not far enough along in the book to comment but that is the crux thus far. That's a compelling Google Earth shot. Edgar Cayce claims we'll find it before major earth changes roll out.

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abraxas  posted on  2011-02-10   22:34:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The corners of the area are too perpendicular and occurring in too many instances to be formed naturally. You can definitely see the hand of man in those line formations.

Don't forget, there WAS a great civilization that existed before the Great Flood.

U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY

HAPPY2BME-4UM  posted on  2011-02-10   22:42:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Hapgood's books are available in reprints from Adventures Unlimited Press.

The book "The Path of The Poles" is the one which Einstein wrote the forward for. His other interesting work, published before "The Path of The Poles", was "Maps of The Ancient Sea Kings" which is where Hapgood first went "off the Reservation" when he studied the Piri Reis Map and the Oronto Finnaeus Map. One of the things he was able to pull out of the maps is that they were constructed using Spherical Trigonometry thousands of years before it was supposedly invented.

Different writers at different times have tried to put Atlantis in a variety of places - from Crete, to Britain, to Antarctica. However, Plato was very clear about its location "beyond the Pillars of Hecules" a.k.a. Gibraltar. What these writers all seem to miss is that Atlantis was not an isolated phenomena with the rest of the world trapped in barbarism. Contemporaneous with Atlantis was an advanced culture in India, generally referred to as the Rama Empire, Greece (supposedly the arch enemies of Atlantis), Egypt, and South America. What seems to have occurred, and this is my own hypothesis, is a world war using nuclear weapons, or possibly a world wide cataclysm which reduced the existing cultures to a pre-literate level - except Egypt who nevertheless sunk to a pre-industrial level over time. Possibly it was a Pole Shift, but at this point the data is insufficient. However we can look at the ruins around the world and see that these people had an advanced technology where they were able to build massive stone structures and monuments many of which we cannot duplicate today. You can find the remnants in Egypt, at Tiahuanco in Peru, Baalbek in Lebanon, Tonga, Nan Madol, and on and on. The architecture is what we have come to call cyclopean both because of its age and the massive scale upon which the ancients built. We are speaking stone blocks of 15 to 20 tons being routine with blocks ranging up in size to the largest, Baalbek in Lebanon, weight in excess of 750 tons. The latter are too large to be lifted save by one crane on the entire planet (located at a shipyard in the South Pacific).

As well one can find intriguing traces that suggest an ancient nuclear war - in the "Dead Quarter" of the Saudi Arabian Desert is a glass field of glazed green glass created by the fusion of immense heat over the sands - such as at Alamo Gordo. At Moenjho Daro, of the Indus Valley civilzation one can find figures burned into walls and sidewalks - just like at Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

It is interesting looking at all the evidence for technologically advanced cultures in the past and the evidence is there to support the hypothesis if one begins by discarding preconceptions and the "everyone knows" false data.

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-02-10   23:48:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The corners of the area are too perpendicular and occurring in too many instances to be formed naturally. You can definitely see the hand of man in those line formations.

Exactly. Right angles do not occur in nature. Rectangular, right angled layouts betray the hand of man.

Don't forget, there WAS a great civilization that existed before the Great Flood.

Likely more than one. The Great Flood was, I believe, a real event. It is interesting that where the Pillars of Hercules, Gibraltar, is today there was once a great barrier of rock holding the ocean at bay. At approximately the time when Atlantis supposedly sunk into the ocean in "a day and a night" that rock wall was breached and the Great Mediterranean Valley flooded. We know that it was dry at one point because as far down the sides of the basin as have been probed are signs of human habitation dating back into pre-biblical times. There are buildings and dwellings at 200 feet and deeper. That is deeper than the low water level of the biblical era.

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-02-10   23:57:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Check the site out on Google Maps.

I clicked on that link but it didn't show the coordinates so I looked them up. They are: 31 15'15.53N 24 15'30.53W

By magnifying the picture a bit, a little box appeared in the coordinates marker and writing in Spanish appeared to the left but had to widen the screen to see it all. Tried it again and the writing showed up on the right in full. It says:

Siempre hay un cielo azul para nuestros ojos

Always there is a blue sky for our eyes

If you click on the little box again, it moves to the right with angle markings. Clicked again and a beautiful picture appeared of a small metal balcony with double doors of wood that open onto what looks like maybe another balcony of wood, with a green tree behind it and a very blue sky. Can't post the image here -- no path given for it -- but hope everyone who'd like to see it too can do so at Google Earth.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2011-02-11   2:42:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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This is an old story.

bits.blogs.nytimes.com/20...tery-mystery-of-atlantis/

...According to Google, it’s time to shelve those tinfoil hats.

In an interview, Steve Miller, product manager for Ocean in Google Earth, firmly debunked rumors that the crisscross markings were anything other than artificial data remnants left by sonar-equipped boats collecting data from the ocean floor.

While sound waves are considered to be more effective than satellites for mapping strips of the ocean floor, they’re often more expensive and time-consuming to use. “The boats have to go slowly. Otherwise, they make a lot of noise and can wash out the readings,” said Mr. Miller. As a result, boats are used less frequently, leaving fewer gridlike sonar patterns visible on Google Earth’s map of the ocean. ...

"All Israel had one million one hundred thousand men who drew the sword, and Judah had four hundred and seventy thousand men who drew the sword. 1 Chronicles 21:5 Bigger than the US Army! lulz

Judges 1 19 The LORD was with the men of Judah. They took possession of the hill country, but they were unable to drive the people from the plains, because they had chariots fitted with iron. Iron is gods Kryptonite. More lulz

Jesus Never Existed

PSUSA  posted on  2011-02-11   5:28:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

If you click on the little box again, it moves to the right with angle markings. Clicked again and a beautiful picture appeared of a small metal balcony with double doors of wood that open onto what looks like maybe another balcony of wood, with a green tree behind it and a very blue sky. Can't post the image here -- no path given for it -- but hope everyone who'd like to see it too can do so at Google Earth.

I looked for it, but didn't find it yet. In the meantime, here's this:

wudidiz  posted on  2011-02-11   5:41:18 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

wudidiz  posted on  2011-02-11   5:45:24 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Steve Miller

Seems like a nice enough fella...

artificial data remnants

Sounds like one of those pseudo-scientific bullshit phrases trolls throw around.

Like "persistent contrails" or "exterior column buckling" due to "fire weakened trusses"

wudidiz is officially calling bullshit on the Google statement.

wudidiz  posted on  2011-02-11   6:05:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Step up the magnification until a box appears in that marker, then click on it and the box that moves out of it.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2011-02-11   6:10:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I doubt it's Atlantis, but it does look like roads.

wudidiz  posted on  2011-02-11   6:18:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Step up the magnification until a box appears in that marker, then click on it and the box that moves out of it.

I'm supposed to be sleeping, but I will.....

wudidiz  posted on  2011-02-11   6:20:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

wudidiz  posted on  2011-02-11   6:21:39 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

That's it! How did you find the path to the pic?

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2011-02-11   6:31:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I entered these numbers you gave:

31 15'15.53N 24 15'30.53W

Into the search box for Google maps:

maps.google.ca/maps

Hit enter and the page came up with that picture on the left.

wudidiz  posted on  2011-02-11   6:38:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Google Maps -- I didn't try that option but thanks for the tip. It works. Pretty picture to go with that Spanish writing at the coordinates marker. Shows up with some more Spanish writing by going the Google Earth route that translates to "The Scrambled Drawer".

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2011-02-11   6:54:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I doubt it's Atlantis, but it does look like roads.

You have to zoom out about 150 miles to even see this "city".

And the "roads" are at least a mile wide. Use the "ruler" tool at the top to measure this.

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"All Israel had one million one hundred thousand men who drew the sword, and Judah had four hundred and seventy thousand men who drew the sword. 1 Chronicles 21:5 Bigger than the US Army! lulz

Judges 1 19 The LORD was with the men of Judah. They took possession of the hill country, but they were unable to drive the people from the plains, because they had chariots fitted with iron. Iron is gods Kryptonite. More lulz

Jesus Never Existed

PSUSA  posted on  2011-02-11   6:57:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Clicking on the image on google maps gives this writing:

Siempre hay un cielo azul para nuestros ojos

translates (roughly) to "there is always a blue sky to our eyes"

Before I read that, when first looking at the picture, what stood out most was the ultra-blue sky.

You never see the sky that blue anymore.

wudidiz  posted on  2011-02-11   7:00:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Oh. You again.

the "roads" are at least a mile wide

wudidiz  posted on  2011-02-11   7:03:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Oh. You again.

You knew I couldn't stay away.

so they had really big cars

Crystal powered and psychically steered, I'm sure. Perhaps Duff Man will enlighten us as to his theories on this. I can only hope.

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"All Israel had one million one hundred thousand men who drew the sword, and Judah had four hundred and seventy thousand men who drew the sword. 1 Chronicles 21:5 Bigger than the US Army! lulz

Judges 1 19 The LORD was with the men of Judah. They took possession of the hill country, but they were unable to drive the people from the plains, because they had chariots fitted with iron. Iron is gods Kryptonite. More lulz

Jesus Never Existed

PSUSA  posted on  2011-02-11   7:10:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Crystal powered and psychically steered, I'm sure

Seems more plausible than the "artificial data remnants" explanation from "firm debunker" Steve Miller.

Mile wide "artificial data remnants"? Yeah.... I'm not buying it.

wudidiz  posted on  2011-02-11   7:16:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I'm not buying it.

That does not surprise me. Not at all.

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"All Israel had one million one hundred thousand men who drew the sword, and Judah had four hundred and seventy thousand men who drew the sword. 1 Chronicles 21:5 Bigger than the US Army! lulz

Judges 1 19 The LORD was with the men of Judah. They took possession of the hill country, but they were unable to drive the people from the plains, because they had chariots fitted with iron. Iron is gods Kryptonite. More lulz

Jesus Never Existed

PSUSA  posted on  2011-02-11   7:26:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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Posted by Feez at 2/10/2011 12:05 p.m.

have you ever seen pictures of Giant's causeway in Northern Ireland? nature does some pretty unique things. Atlantis was a fable nothing

Yes well I wonder myself if the Giant's Causeway is actually natural. I was there in August '07, my head had hard time accepting it was natural. I believe there are similar formations on the opposite shore in the Mull of Kintyre.

Solutions for Ireland. Say NO to the IMF/World bank. Default on our debt. Print our own debt free currency. Nationalise the trillion euros worth of gas and oil off our west coast. Take back our fishing (200 billion worth). Get our farmers growing again. Done deal if our politicians had the backbone. ~ Jim Corr

irishthatcherite  posted on  2011-02-11   8:35:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Is the lost city of Atlantis on Google Maps? (Telegraph)

I wish it was available on Street View.. a submersible Google car... lol

Solutions for Ireland. Say NO to the IMF/World bank. Default on our debt. Print our own debt free currency. Nationalise the trillion euros worth of gas and oil off our west coast. Take back our fishing (200 billion worth). Get our farmers growing again. Done deal if our politicians had the backbone. ~ Jim Corr

irishthatcherite  posted on  2011-02-11   8:36:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

the "roads" are at least a mile wide

Maybe they built their metropolis in strips, the "roads" being their buildings with open fields between them.

It would be more attractive than modern cities all crowded up.

TooConservative  posted on  2011-02-11   8:36:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Maybe they built their metropolis in strips, the "roads" being their buildings with open fields between them. It would be more attractive than modern cities all crowded up. ...

Seems more plausible than the "artificial data remnants" explanation from "firm debunker" Steve Miller. ...

the "roads" are at least a mile wide so they had really big cars

Sounds like one of those pseudo-scientific bullshit phrases trolls throw around. Like "persistent contrails" or "exterior column buckling" due to "fire weakened trusses"

Exactly. Right angles do not occur in nature. Rectangular, right angled layouts betray the hand of man.

The corners of the area are too perpendicular and occurring in too many instances to be formed naturally. You can definitely see the hand of man in those line formations.

This is some good stuff! lol

"All Israel had one million one hundred thousand men who drew the sword, and Judah had four hundred and seventy thousand men who drew the sword. 1 Chronicles 21:5 Bigger than the US Army! lulz

Judges 1 19 The LORD was with the men of Judah. They took possession of the hill country, but they were unable to drive the people from the plains, because they had chariots fitted with iron. Iron is gods Kryptonite. More lulz

Jesus Never Existed

PSUSA  posted on  2011-02-11   8:51:33 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I like the subject. The evidence isn't strong enough yet but there is enough reason for more research. We may discover the antediluvian world had a history beyond anything we can imagine.

It is a modern vanity that modern man has been around such a short time and that science has only arisen once in the West. I see no reason to believe that.

Almost nothing is really new. We see this over and over.

I think it's something of a holdover from the old Christian teachings about a young-earth creation, going back only 5500 years. It somehow still stifles historical and scientific imagination.

The past of mankind may be much wilder than imagined.

TooConservative  posted on  2011-02-11   12:07:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I like the subject.

So do I. But the OP is crap. Unless you too think that this shows a 100x80 mile city with streets about a mile wide and huge fields in between streets.

The past of mankind may be much wilder than imagined.

Yep. Or at least much wilder than we were ever taught.

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"All Israel had one million one hundred thousand men who drew the sword, and Judah had four hundred and seventy thousand men who drew the sword. 1 Chronicles 21:5 Bigger than the US Army! lulz

Judges 1 19 The LORD was with the men of Judah. They took possession of the hill country, but they were unable to drive the people from the plains, because they had chariots fitted with iron. Iron is gods Kryptonite. More lulz

Jesus Never Existed

PSUSA  posted on  2011-02-11   12:39:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

"If ever this vast country is brought under a single government, it will be one of the most extensive corruption, indifferent and incapable of a wholesome care over so wide a spread of surface. This will not be borne, and you will have to choose between reform and revolution. If I know the spirit of this country, the one or the other is inevitable." - Thomas Jefferson

Turtle  posted on  2011-02-11   12:50:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Unless you too think that this shows a 100x80 mile city with streets about a mile wide and huge fields in between streets.

Why not a metro area of 100x80 with strips of city in 1-mile strips with fields and forest land or jungle between them?

Something about those lines does not look like nature. Nature abhors right angles.

TooConservative  posted on  2011-02-11   13:00:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I'm looking forward to the Lake Vostok discovery, how ' bout you?

It is better to be hated for what you are, than loved for what you are not. - Tommy The Mad Artist. I went to Chernobyl, and all I got was this glow in the dark T-shirt. - Tommy The Mad Artist.

TommyTheMadArtist  posted on  2011-02-11   13:05:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Something about those lines does not look like nature. Nature abhors right angles.

That's because it's not natural.

I already posted the explanation, and it comes from the source. If you don't believe that, that's your business.

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"All Israel had one million one hundred thousand men who drew the sword, and Judah had four hundred and seventy thousand men who drew the sword. 1 Chronicles 21:5 Bigger than the US Army! lulz

Judges 1 19 The LORD was with the men of Judah. They took possession of the hill country, but they were unable to drive the people from the plains, because they had chariots fitted with iron. Iron is gods Kryptonite. More lulz

Jesus Never Existed

PSUSA  posted on  2011-02-11   13:14:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I'm looking forward to the Lake Vostok discovery

Oh yes, the secret Nazi base theory and other weirds things about that lake.

Solutions for Ireland. Say NO to the IMF/World bank. Default on our debt. Print our own debt free currency. Nationalise the trillion euros worth of gas and oil off our west coast. Take back our fishing (200 billion worth). Get our farmers growing again. Done deal if our politicians had the backbone. ~ Jim Corr

irishthatcherite  posted on  2011-02-11   13:37:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I'm looking forward to the Lake Vostok discovery, how ' bout you?

When she thaws the swimming will be spectacular. : )

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abraxas  posted on  2011-02-11   13:48:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

other weirds things about that lake.

Tides.......under the ice.

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

abraxas  posted on  2011-02-11   13:49:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

While sound waves are considered to be more effective than satellites for mapping strips of the ocean floor, they’re often more expensive and time-consuming to use. “The boats have to go slowly. Otherwise, they make a lot of noise and can wash out the readings,” said Mr. Miller. As a result, boats are used less frequently, leaving fewer gridlike sonar patterns visible on Google Earth’s map of the ocean. ...

Bullshit.

One can look at the grid lines and contrast them with the surrounding ocean bottom. The thing that stands out when one actually looks at the evidence rather that regurgitating o'fishul attempts to explain unusual observations away is that the features recorded are not superficial lines but are sunk into the topography of the site.

Further while lines could form from Sonar Mapping, an area in which I am trained and experienced, it does not form topographical features and the irregularities of the bottom are reported with reasonable accuracy depending upon the operating frequency of the system. The higher the frequency the more detailed the map. The problem of course with high frequency mapping is that you have to use a towed transducer as the higher the frequency the shorter the range. (Which is why anti-submarine sonars operate at lower frequencies to extend the range, and then rely on digital processing to clarify the signal.) Typical operating frequencies for towed sidescan mapping sonars is around 200 KHZ - which is a compromise between range and accuracy. It's an engineering trade off.

Once again you demonstrate your abysmal ignorance and propensity for regurgitating o'fishul lyins' - Troll.

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-02-11   13:53:36 ET  (2 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Once again you demonstrate your abysmal ignorance and propensity for regurgitating o'fishul lyins' - Troll.

If you cant convince people with the truth, you again try to baffle them with bullshit, by making a big deal about various types of sonar and their freqs.

That "city" is about 100x80 miles. 8,000 sq miles, give or take. You are intentionally ignoring the scale of this. I can see why you would ignore that, since acknowledging it would shoot down your idiotic ideas about this being atlantis or whatever the fuck you think it is.

So, I'm right, and you're wrong. Again.

The article I posted is the legitimate answer.

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"All Israel had one million one hundred thousand men who drew the sword, and Judah had four hundred and seventy thousand men who drew the sword. 1 Chronicles 21:5 Bigger than the US Army! lulz

Judges 1 19 The LORD was with the men of Judah. They took possession of the hill country, but they were unable to drive the people from the plains, because they had chariots fitted with iron. Iron is gods Kryptonite. More lulz

Jesus Never Existed

PSUSA  posted on  2011-02-11   14:20:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

No, I am not understating the scale YOU are making an ASSUMPTION unwarranted by the data.

You assume, because of all of the indoctrination of history and archaeology much of which was set in stone in the 19th century, that all ancient civilizations were small and primitive. That is AN ASSUMPTION which is contradicted by readily available evidence:

The Pyramids at Giza

Baalbek in Lebanon

Easter Island

Moenjho Daro and Harrapa

Tiahunaco

Ollanyaytambo

Nazca

Prehistoric India - a ruin has been located and roughly mapped off of the Northeast Indian coast which is the size of Manhattan.

Malta

And that is just scratching the surface. I could go on listing other sites of greater and lesser extent for at least a good hour.

The reality is that human civilization goes much further back into antiquity that we have heretofore been led to misbelieve. The scale and quantity of massive megalithic stone ruins are testimony to a great degree of civilization in the time before what we now call recorded history. Only small minds are intimidated by the scale. I would simply point at the scale and suggest that it is suggestive of a very large area that has seen the hand of intelligence, intent, and a purpose which we are as yet unaware of.

However, I would expect evidence to be of no consequence to you as you have your script and you'll stick to it. After all that's what you are paid to do.

And no you did not post an explanation you posted an attempt to explain the data away in the context of a preconceived world view and O'fishul story. Nothing more. It is at very best an unproved hypothesis which is not supported by the observed data. In other words it is an attempt to explain away not explain.

Later Troll.

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-02-11   14:50:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

That is AN ASSUMPTION which is contradicted by readily available evidence:

The Pyramids at Giza

Baalbek in Lebanon

Easter Island

blah blah blah

Name one city that was 8,000 sq miles in area. Or name something that was even close.

Here's something to put this all in context, so simple that even you can understand it.

I-80 is 2900 miles long. It connects Teaneck NJ to SF Cali.

Now Imagine that interstate being 2.75 miles wide. Build a city on that, along its entire length all the way across the country. That is how big your google earth image is.

The reality is that human civilization goes much further back into antiquity that we have heretofore been led to misbelieve. The scale and quantity of massive megalithic stone ruins are testimony to a great degree of civilization in the time before what we now call recorded history. Only small minds are intimidated by the scale. I would simply point at the scale and suggest that it is suggestive of a very large area that has seen the hand of intelligence, intent, and a purpose which we are as yet unaware of.

More baffling with bullshit.

Your diatribe does not prove the OP is anything than what the article I posted says it is. It doesn't even address it. I'm sure that is intentional on your part.

And no you did not post an explanation you posted an attempt to explain the data away in the context of a preconceived world view and O'fishul story. Nothing more. It is at very best an unproved hypothesis which is not supported by the observed data. In other words it is an attempt to explain away not explain.

More bullshit.

It was explained, not "explained away". But you don't like the explanation because it's not weird enough for you. That's not my problem. It's something that you might want to bring up with your therapist though.

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"All Israel had one million one hundred thousand men who drew the sword, and Judah had four hundred and seventy thousand men who drew the sword. 1 Chronicles 21:5 Bigger than the US Army! lulz

Judges 1 19 The LORD was with the men of Judah. They took possession of the hill country, but they were unable to drive the people from the plains, because they had chariots fitted with iron. Iron is gods Kryptonite. More lulz

Jesus Never Existed

PSUSA  posted on  2011-02-11   15:07:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Name one city that was 8,000 sq miles in area. Or name something that was even close.

Did I say it was a city?

NO I did not. I said that the anomaly is constructed with right angles and therefore is an artifact of intelligent construction/design. What it is exactly is as yet undetermined as the data set is incomplete. We have an anomaly and the explanation that it is a sonar mapping artifact is not congruent with known sonar signatures. And your attempt to use the scale of the artifact as somehow disproving artificiality is a Strawman Argument. Prejudices notwithstanding the data is what the data is. A canal system could show up at this scale. Guatemala, which was discovered only by Satellite Photography, is criss crossed coast to coast by an ancient canal system now overgrown by jungle. Yet it was built at time unknown by civilization unknown, and is not recorded in any surviving text.

Further the anomaly occurs in isolation with no other similar "sonar" artifacts provided as support of that hypothesis. The anomaly disrupts the bottom topography which therefore is a datum contrary to the "sonar" hypothesis. Therefore the sonar artifact hypothesis is not proved and the evidence suggests that it is not a valid explanation of the observed data. I am not ruling it out I am simply saying that based upon the observed data it is unsupported as a hypothesis which thus diminishes it's possibility of being a valid explanation.

And my argument, despite the needles, was founded upon logic, data, and a chain of reasoning tying the two together. Thus your attempt to categorize it with the misleading label is nothing more than a personal attack unsupported by any evidence or sound reasoning and thus is nothing more than Argumentum Ad Hominem Troll.

I presume mind reading is another one of your many "talents"?

"It was explained, not "explained away". But you don't like the explanation because it's not weird enough for you. ..."

Thus violating two of the logical fallacies:

Appeal To Misleading Authority

Argumentum Ad Hominem

Q.E.D.

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Original_Intent  posted on  2011-02-11   15:53:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I was thinking of all the fish. I mean, untainted, unpolluted fish.

Of course, there's the other side of that coin. They could be incredibly hungry, and incredibly huge. Lovecraftian in scope.

If only my dreams would come true.

It is better to be hated for what you are, than loved for what you are not. - Tommy The Mad Artist. I went to Chernobyl, and all I got was this glow in the dark T-shirt. - Tommy The Mad Artist.

TommyTheMadArtist  posted on  2011-02-11   15:59:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

A canal system could show up at this scale. Guatemala, which was discovered only by Satellite Photography, is criss crossed coast to coast by an ancient canal system now overgrown by jungle. Yet it was built at time unknown by civilization unknown, and is not recorded in any surviving text.

Show me such a canal system that is DIRECTLY visible from well over 100 miles in space. A canal system would not show up at that scale. And you know it. You would only see the indirect signs that a canal might be there. Unless, of course, you use a spy satellite. But I don't think that google earth uses those...

And my argument, despite the needles, was founded upon logic, data, and a chain of reasoning tying the two together.

OMFG that is hilarious! You have no logic, or data, so it is impossible to tie the two together. All you have is a google earth image.

And your attempt to use the scale of the artifact as somehow disproving artificiality is a Strawman Argument.

The hell it is! LMFAO!

It's so damn funny that you are trying so hard to use logic to disprove my mathematically correct illustration. You can't do it.

If it was a kajillion bajillion sq miles in area, would it also be a "strawman" argument? lol!

You might be able to sucker your acolytes into believing your crap, but you are going to have a much harder time with me. And if it was so obvious that I am wrong, then it would be self-evident and responding to me would be pointless. But you find that you must address my points, because they blow your "points" out of the water. Hence, your attempts to baffle with bullshit.

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"All Israel had one million one hundred thousand men who drew the sword, and Judah had four hundred and seventy thousand men who drew the sword. 1 Chronicles 21:5 Bigger than the US Army! lulz

Judges 1 19 The LORD was with the men of Judah. They took possession of the hill country, but they were unable to drive the people from the plains, because they had chariots fitted with iron. Iron is gods Kryptonite. More lulz

Jesus Never Existed

PSUSA  posted on  2011-02-11   16:11:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I still recall the Shark I sighted off of the Great Barrier Reef of Australia. That, pardon my french, was the biggest motherfucking Shark I have ever seen. While the bulk of it was under the water the dorsal fin and tail fin which were sticking above the ocean surface, and this is just an estimate, were at least 25 feet apart. That implies a shark of at least 35 to 40 feet in length. There have been unconfirmed reports by Florida Fishermen of sharks longer than their fishing boats which are typically about 42 feet. So, we are still short of knowing it all (by a long ways).

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-02-11   16:14:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Show me such a canal system that is DIRECTLY visible from well over 100 miles in space. A canal system would not show up at that scale. And you know it. You would only see the indirect signs that a canal might be there. Unless, of course, you use a spy satellite. But I don't think that google earth uses those...

Notice the right angled layout of the canals. Conventional mainstream Archaeology attributes the canals to the Maya which raises more questions than it answers as the canal system, which has now been verified by on the ground teams, is so extensive and complex as to have taken likely several hundred years to construct - at a minimum.

IKONOS satellite image revealing linear features that may have been Mayan irrigation canals. NASA/MSFC

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Mayan canal systems even more complex

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-02-11   16:40:32 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

This is an old story. It was explained as "boat mapping lines" on The Telegraph website.

I have no idea if that's what it is. By now someone should have gone out there and looked at the thing just to be sure.
If it is Atlantis, it'd be a shame to have it dismissed as "boat mapping lines".

Armadillo  posted on  2011-02-11   16:57:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

This is an old story. It was explained as "boat mapping lines" on The Telegraph website.

If you read back through the thread I already disposed of that assertion.

And even the Torygraph admitted that one of the scientists they spoke said the lines deserved further investigation.

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-02-11   17:01:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I know what you're thinking. Yep. I know.

You're thinking "HA! HA! I got him now!!!"

Well, not so fast, Duff Man.

I am leading you around by the nose and you don't see it.

You did produce a pic that shows canals. Congrats! Thing is, I knew that there were similar pics out there.

Does this help you prove your case, that these are man made? Nope.

They discovered trails of huge canal systems, up to 100km in diameter.

Diameter? Perhaps the writer meant "length"? Or perhaps the width of the entire network? I don't know what the hell she is babbling about "diameter" for.

Perhaps she meant 100 km from a central point? No, that would be a 100 km radius.

Let's say that she meant "length". So what? None of this means that your OP shows canals or anything else man made. See, I caught you in another attempt at baffling with bullshit, although it might be considered to be entrapment.

You are trying to make this all a part of your idea of "data". It's not data because it does not address the issue of the OP. But you already know this.

You are coming up with an idea, that this is man made, and then trying to find data to fit it. Just because there are canals on this planet does not mean that your OP shows canals, or anything else that is man made (other than sonar returns), much less show canals that are about a mile wide if the scaling is correct.

But if you want to think that all this is man made, knock yourself out. I just thought it was interesting to see how easily I could lead you around.

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"All Israel had one million one hundred thousand men who drew the sword, and Judah had four hundred and seventy thousand men who drew the sword. 1 Chronicles 21:5 Bigger than the US Army! lulz

Judges 1 19 The LORD was with the men of Judah. They took possession of the hill country, but they were unable to drive the people from the plains, because they had chariots fitted with iron. Iron is gods Kryptonite. More lulz

Jesus Never Existed

PSUSA  posted on  2011-02-11   17:27:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Have your ears popped today?

Well, you spend 7 or 8 poorly organized paragraphs trying to spin your way out of the fact that you just made an ass of yourself, and have NO CASE. There is one virtue in your confused mishmash the paragraphs may be a confused mish mash but they are, gratefully, short.

Your assertion was, which I disproved USING EVIDENCE (something totally lacking in your spin), was that there were no satellite photos of the extensive Guatemalan Canal System. In refutation I simply provided a satellite photograph showing them and an article which spoke of the ongoing scientific investigation and mapping of the canal system which you said did not exist.

You can't have it both ways, and I won't let you get away with trying to blow smoke up everybody's ass.

And the only place you lead me to was showing that you had no clue about what you are pontificating about. In short, you have no argument, no evidence, and no case.

Later Troll.

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Original_Intent  posted on  2011-02-11   17:38:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Some right angles in nature - geology more particularly.

"Tessellated Pavement is a rare geological erosion phenomena that occurs in some sedimentary rocks located more or less by the shore. The rock fractures into polygonal blocks that resemble tiles. This occurs in several places around the world, but the most obvious one is definitely in Tasmania, at Eaglehawk Neck on the Tasman Peninsula."

It is a violation of Natural Law to use this document in a manner inconsistent with its labeling.

randge  posted on  2011-02-11   17:47:25 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Your assertion was, which I disproved USING EVIDENCE (something totally lacking in your spin), was that there were no satellite photos of the extensive Guatemalan Canal System.

You found proof that I already knew existed. You want a cookie? So, you do know what proof is. The problem is, you are selective and deceptive in the application of proof.

You provided no proof that the OP and your assertions that this is man made. Your assertions included "(((((8th Continent Ping))))) " Its not a continent and " Exactly. Right angles do not occur in nature. Rectangular, right angled layouts betray the hand of man. "

In short, you have no argument, no evidence, and no case.

Were you looking in a mirror when you wrote that?

Gotcha, Duff Man! lol

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"All Israel had one million one hundred thousand men who drew the sword, and Judah had four hundred and seventy thousand men who drew the sword. 1 Chronicles 21:5 Bigger than the US Army! lulz

Judges 1 19 The LORD was with the men of Judah. They took possession of the hill country, but they were unable to drive the people from the plains, because they had chariots fitted with iron. Iron is gods Kryptonite. More lulz

Jesus Never Existed

PSUSA  posted on  2011-02-11   17:49:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Oh gosh. I am just so stricken.

The old "of course I knew it all along but just threw some shit on the wall" defense.

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-02-11   18:36:19 ET  (3 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

"Tessellated Pavement is a rare geological erosion phenomena that occurs in some sedimentary rocks located more or less by the shore. ..."

I stand corrected. However, it is admittedly very rare, and as the picture shows it occurs on a relatively small scale. Generally, standing by my earlier contention, modified to reflect the counter evidenc, right angles very rarely occur in nature and are generally, when observed, the result of intelligent intent and construction.

So, is it your contention then that the observed anomaly was at one time part of a sea coast?

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-02-11   18:53:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The old "of course I knew it all along but just threw some shit on the wall" defense.

You go right ahead and think that way. I hope you do. Really, I do. It makes things easier for me.

Do you know what your weakness is? I'll go ahead and tell you what I think it is, because you will never change it. It is this: I don't recall you ever saying "I don't know". Instead of saying those 3 simple words, which is a perfectly honorable and honest thing to do, you make things up.

The things that you make up might or might not have truth in them. An exampe of that is you bringing up the flood in the Med. It's totally off topic but that doesn't stop you. And you do this constantly.

But that truthfulness, or the lack thereof, doesn't matter. What matters is that you think it helps you build your case for something that is totally bogus.

Guess who is going to wait for you to do that again? And do you know why I do it? Because it's fun. I hate posers. And you are a poser.

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"All Israel had one million one hundred thousand men who drew the sword, and Judah had four hundred and seventy thousand men who drew the sword. 1 Chronicles 21:5 Bigger than the US Army! lulz

Judges 1 19 The LORD was with the men of Judah. They took possession of the hill country, but they were unable to drive the people from the plains, because they had chariots fitted with iron. Iron is gods Kryptonite. More lulz

Jesus Never Existed

PSUSA  posted on  2011-02-11   18:55:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

But that truthfulness, or the lack thereof, doesn't matter. What matters is that you think it helps you build your case for something that is totally bogus.

No, it allows me to hold you up for ridicule for your poor manners and slipshod reasoning.

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-02-11   18:59:24 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I say this is man made in ancient times. lol

There are a lot of right angles in there... That's all the proof we need.

"All Israel had one million one hundred thousand men who drew the sword, and Judah had four hundred and seventy thousand men who drew the sword. 1 Chronicles 21:5 Bigger than the US Army! lulz

Judges 1 19 The LORD was with the men of Judah. They took possession of the hill country, but they were unable to drive the people from the plains, because they had chariots fitted with iron. Iron is gods Kryptonite. More lulz

Jesus Never Existed

PSUSA  posted on  2011-02-11   19:43:54 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

What is this image of?

It is better to be hated for what you are, than loved for what you are not. - Tommy The Mad Artist. I went to Chernobyl, and all I got was this glow in the dark T-shirt. - Tommy The Mad Artist.

TommyTheMadArtist  posted on  2011-02-11   19:47:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

the "roads" are at least a mile wide

Maybe they built their metropolis in strips, the "roads" being their buildings with open fields between them.

It would be more attractive than modern cities all crowded up.

Reasonable guess, thank you :)

wudidiz  posted on  2011-02-11   22:07:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I like the subject. The evidence isn't strong enough yet but there is enough reason for more research. We may discover the antediluvian world had a history beyond anything we can imagine.

It is a modern vanity that modern man has been around such a short time and that science has only arisen once in the West. I see no reason to believe that.

Almost nothing is really new. We see this over and over.

I think it's something of a holdover from the old Christian teachings about a young-earth creation, going back only 5500 years. It somehow still stifles historical and scientific imagination.

The past of mankind may be much wilder than imagined.

Very well said, thank you.

wudidiz  posted on  2011-02-11   22:10:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I am leading you around by the nose and you don't see it.

Oh, the irony.

wudidiz  posted on  2011-02-11   22:36:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I think it's something of a holdover from the old Christian teachings about a young-earth creation, going back only 5500 years. It somehow still stifles historical and scientific imagination.

It also drives the Darwinists bonkers because it upsets all of their theories and timelines. If you push anatomically modern man much further into the past it means that a lot of the monkeys they argue were human predecessors were, well, monkeys.

TC: The past of mankind may be much wilder than imagined.

Wud: Very well said, thank you.

I think we already have evidence that suggests both - a wilder history, and one or more prior technologically advanced cultures.

While Lamesteam science in the West wants to discount it there is a lot in the Indian Vedas which describes aircraft and even nuclear weapons. That was even acceded to by Robert Oppenheimer at the first nuclear test. The exact quote was:

"Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds."

Which is a paraphrase of a quote from the Bhagavad Gita:

"If the radiance of a thousand suns
Were to burst at once into the sky
That would be like the splendor of the Mighty one...
I am become Death,
The shatterer of Worlds."

The Physicist J.B.S. Haldane is credited with the quote:

"The universe is not only queerer than we think it is queerer than we can think."

Robert Thompson and Michael Cremo confounded the Archaeologic Community with their book "Forbidden Archaeology" wherein using evidence and research already on record showed that there was a strong case for a much greater antiquity for the rise of anatomically modern man. To date Cremo and Thompson stand unrefuted.

Prof. Robert Schoch has shown that the Sphinx, and its enclosure, can only have suffered the extreme water erosion which they have been subjected to if it was built before 8,000 B.C. which is when the Giza Plateau went from a wet climate to desert. Which is at least 5,000 years before lamestream Egyptology says it was built.

Christopher Dunn has done a lot of work showing that the level of precision in the manufacture of the monuments of Giza can really only be explained if one assumes that the builders had powered machine tools.

Lots of intriguing evidence and the lamestream is slowly being forced, kicking and screaming all the way, to acknowledge it.

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-02-11   22:38:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

the "roads" are at least a mile wide

Maybe they built their metropolis in strips, the "roads" being their buildings with open fields between them.

It would be more attractive than modern cities all crowded up.

Reasonable guess, thank you :)

The more I look at it the more I wonder if it was a canal system. Of course that's a speculation clearly labeled as such. The most we can say at this point is that it appears to be artificial i.e., constructed.

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-02-11   22:44:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

What is this image of?

It's just off the Antarctic coast but if you have google earth then you have to back off about 300 miles to see it.

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"All Israel had one million one hundred thousand men who drew the sword, and Judah had four hundred and seventy thousand men who drew the sword. 1 Chronicles 21:5 Bigger than the US Army! lulz

Judges 1 19 The LORD was with the men of Judah. They took possession of the hill country, but they were unable to drive the people from the plains, because they had chariots fitted with iron. Iron is gods Kryptonite. More lulz

Jesus Never Existed

PSUSA  posted on  2011-02-12   5:13:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

It's a very pretty picture.

Lots of dot type thingies.

I'd look at it longer if I didn't have other things to do.

wudidiz  posted on  2011-02-12   16:40:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Yes well I wonder myself if the Giant's Causeway is actually natural. I was there in August '07, my head had hard time accepting it was natural. I believe there are similar formations on the opposite shore in the Mull of Kintyre.

Only having heard reference to it but never having seen it, I looked up some photos of it, and it is an impressive geologic formation. It is likely a natural formation after looking it over. However, the same type of Basaltic Columns were used at another location in a clearly constructed structure. Located in the South Pacific on the island of Pohnpei is the structure named Nan Madol. It is a huge structure/city that was constructed out of the same type of behemoth basalt columns.

Nan Madol

Nan Madol Photo Gallery

There are a lot of other sites hosting photos of the site as well.

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-02-12   21:18:05 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

It's interesting to look at. There is one thing I found to be quite interesting, is if you look at it closely, you can see some lines in it that bisect the center of that area.

I'm really interested in the Lake Vostok thing right now, mostly because it might bear out some very bizarre wildlife.

It is better to be hated for what you are, than loved for what you are not. - Tommy The Mad Artist. I went to Chernobyl, and all I got was this glow in the dark T-shirt. - Tommy The Mad Artist.

TommyTheMadArtist  posted on  2011-02-13   0:58:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I'm interested in it because I would like to know if there are human remains down there, or ruins.

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-02-13   1:02:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Only having heard reference to it but never having seen it, I looked up some photos of it, and it is an impressive geologic formation. It is likely a natural formation after looking it over.

Well probably. That was me trying to find an Irish angle to the Theory of Extreme Human Antiquity. lol Official/mainstream archaeology supposes that Ireland was one of the last places on Earth to be inhabited.. it would be nice to prove them wrong. So far though, no one I believe has found anything predating the Milesian megaliths here.

However, the same type of Basaltic Columns were used at another location in a clearly constructed structure. Located in the South Pacific on the island of Pohnpei is the structure named Nan Madol. It is a huge structure/city that was constructed out of the same type of behemoth basalt columns.

Very impressive!

Solutions for Ireland. Say NO to the IMF/World bank. Default on our debt. Print our own debt free currency. Nationalise the trillion euros worth of gas and oil off our west coast. Take back our fishing (200 billion worth). Get our farmers growing again. Done deal if our politicians had the backbone. ~ Jim Corr

irishthatcherite  posted on  2011-02-13   10:11:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Same

It is better to be hated for what you are, than loved for what you are not. - Tommy The Mad Artist. I went to Chernobyl, and all I got was this glow in the dark T-shirt. - Tommy The Mad Artist.

TommyTheMadArtist  posted on  2011-02-13   19:41:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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